Re: autoimmunity vs. toxic encephalpathy

[Guest guest]

PS vaculitis leaves scar's under the skin that can be see with certaun

testing.

>

> I'm getting that anaphylaxis driven by allergies that is autoimmune

> driven is related to hives/rashes, while non-autoimmune related toxin

> driven anaphylaxis causes vaculitis.

> if this is correct it seems this would be a very good seperation of

the

> condiction and whats causeing it.

>

[Guest guest]

SUSCEPTIBILIY-WEIGHTED MR IMAGING:

FIG.3-VASCULITIS

http://www.ajnr.org/cgi/content/full/29/1/9?rss=1

> >

> > I'm getting that anaphylaxis driven by allergies that is autoimmune

> > driven is related to hives/rashes, while non-autoimmune related

toxin

> > driven anaphylaxis causes vaculitis.

> > if this is correct it seems this would be a very good seperation of

> the

> > condiction and whats causeing it.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Jeanine, Please clarify your point here for me. Since one of my disabilitys is

the latter (toxic encephalpathy) and this is or is due to brain damage I am

trying to figure how that is used here in what you are talking about something

to do with skin. I do have lots of scaring from my exposure but I am wondering

about your comparison here. Thanks

Chris...

From: who <jeaninem660@...>

Subject: [] Re: autoimmunity vs. toxic encephalpathy

Date: Thursday, July 17, 2008, 2:11 PM

PS vaculitis leaves scar's under the skin that can be see with certaun

testing.

>

> I'm getting that anaphylaxis driven by allergies that is autoimmune

> driven is related to hives/rashes, while non-autoimmune related toxin

> driven anaphylaxis causes vaculitis.

> if this is correct it seems this would be a very good seperation of

the

> condiction and whats causeing it.

>

[Guest guest]

lol's, sure, make me hurt my brain trying to explain.

humm, where was my hear. ok, I dont think this would have anything to

do with what your refering to. I was trying to point out that if

there is these 2 types of anaphylaxis that they are so totally

seperated by causes and reactions that there should be a clearer

understanding of that. I'm wondering if it's even possable that while

in a toxic mold environment were mycotoxins are suppressing our

immune system, to also become autoimmune along with getting severe

allergies to molds and to the level of haveing autoimmune driven

anaphylaxis caused by a allergy to mold. I've read a few articles

that sujests that all the answers haven't been found to even explain

how a autoimmune driven allergic reaction could bring on anaphylaxis

which to me gives the non-allergic,roxin exposure driven anaphylaxis

even more credability and theres been people in this group the have

expressed anaphylaxis symptoms that have not shown possitive for mold

allergies, and I've had mold exposures that did and didnot cause my

anaphylaxis aymptoms to accure and I believe it's not the mold or the

allergy to the mold that causes this it's the myco's,VOC's.

anyway, I just posted the article on closed brain tbi showing that

vasculitis can accure in the brain when it breaks down the BBB and

vwxause that seems to me that vasculitis is pretty good proof that

you were exposed to toxins that that would be great evidence of

exposure. and we really need clearofication on this because if you

can become autoimmune along with getting severe allergies to mold

exposure in a damp moldy invironment to where your own self is

attacking self(autoimmunity) than that's just as bad as being exposed

to myco's and other toxins and can basiclly cause all the same

effects. see what I'm saying? I'd kind of like a answer on this

because it either can happen bith ways or only one way and damn, I

may have been diagnosed to be highly allergic to many molds, but that

was after exposure in the second house and I did have anything even

close to a allergy symptom in either house but did have vasculitis in

both. even now it's rarely that I sneeze or my nose runs, which is

actually a relief to my damaged dry sinuses. aaa, what was the

question?

>

> Jeanine, Please clarify your point here for me. Since one of my

disabilitys is the latter (toxic encephalpathy) and this is or is due

to brain damage I am trying to figure how that is used here in what

you are talking about something to do with skin. I do have lots of

scaring from my exposure but I am wondering about your comparison

here. Thanks

> Chris...

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Jeanine.

Here is my personal experience, on this subject. I have had allergies

and asthma for 56 years, and toxic mold reactions for about 10 years.

When I get an exposure, I take my asthma medicines. If, after raising

my dosages to 4 or 5 times my normal dosage (staying within PDR safe

limits), I STILL am sick, then I conclude that whatever symptoms the

asthma medications can NOT alleviate, is due to TOXIC mold/mycotoxin

reaction. A second check on this type of evaluation, is that AFTER

the asthma medication has relieved the asthma component of my

reaction, I begin feeling sick from " overdose " effects of the asthma

medications, EVEN THOUGH I am still sick from the exposure

experience. The " overdose " symptoms of the asthma medicine, are my

body's way of saying that I don't need any more asthma medicine.

Anaphylaxis is never a part of my asthma or toxic mold reaction

experience, since I have learned the " magic cure " for both types of

reactions, which is: " RIN, RUN, RUN, FAST, FAST, FAST " . I heartily

recommend this " magic cure " to everyone. Don't stop to chat or

make " " postings, until you are far away from the

environment that is making you sick.

Joe

...........................................................

>

> lol's, sure, make me hurt my brain trying to explain.

> humm, where was my hear. ok, I dont think this would have anything

to

> do with what your refering to. I was trying to point out that if

> there is these 2 types of anaphylaxis that they are so totally

> seperated by causes and reactions that there should be a clearer

> understanding of that. I'm wondering if it's even possable that

while

> in a toxic mold environment were mycotoxins are suppressing our

> immune system, to also become autoimmune along with getting severe

> allergies to molds and to the level of haveing autoimmune driven

> anaphylaxis caused by a allergy to mold. I've read a few articles

> that sujests that all the answers haven't been found to even explain

> how a autoimmune driven allergic reaction could bring on anaphylaxis

> which to me gives the non-allergic,roxin exposure driven anaphylaxis

> even more credability and theres been people in this group the have

> expressed anaphylaxis symptoms that have not shown possitive for

mold

> allergies, and I've had mold exposures that did and didnot cause my

> anaphylaxis aymptoms to accure and I believe it's not the mold or

the

> allergy to the mold that causes this it's the myco's,VOC's.

[Guest guest]

Joe, did you ever have anything close to anaphylaxis symptoms with

your allergies before you toxic mold exposure?

really,I'd have to say in my opinion, my anaphalaxis is actually a

combination of T.E,along with reaccureing toxic vasculitis,reactive

airway disease and matabolism disregulation effects and sometimes

depending on what the exposure is it can also effect my stomach,cause

tremors from the waist down which coinsides with the DDD and

spinal/nerve damage that was working it's way up my back and it can

than bring on the after effects not limited to but the worst being in

my brain/csf. I think the lader depends on weather the exposure

causes imflamation/infections. the brain infections that go from my

sinuses to my brain and cause severe fromtal migraines are sometimes

more controlable if I catch it quick and do some deep sinus washing

and med's. the infections that go to my brain from infected spinal

fluid or vasculitis from infections in other organs, I cant control

at all except hope a pain killer works and wrap cold towels around my

head. I'm pretty positive the hot spots on the top and back of the

head area are spots of infection.csf leaks in the myelin sheath and

the ones on the sides of the head are from blood vessel(vasculitis)

leaks. the sinus infections going into my head can also cause csf

infection from that route sometimes because the myelin sheath ends

right there close and chances are it's damage right there. theres a

lot going on right in that area, the olfactory tracts to the linbic

system,the inner ear(cant think of the name) so theres alot of damage

that can accure with not much protecting that route from the sinus

roof except the mucus system and a very thin layer of tissue. I don't

think chemicals were ever meant to be a part of our life.

[Guest guest]

Hi Jeanine,

The symptoms you describe sound terrible, and I can feel your pain in

your description, but I don't think that you are

describing " ANAPHYLAXIS " . I have not had an anaphylactic reaction for

the last 50 years, since I was a teenager, but the terror of those

experiences, are still in my memory. The only way to prevent death,

in an anaphylactic reaction, is an immediate injecttion of Adreniline

(epinepherine). The intensity of that injection, in counteracting the

anaphylactic reaction, is so great, that many times I fainted from

the process.

I am describing a " medical emergency " in which, without the immediate

injection, I could have died. You appear to be describing a chronic

condition, which, while it could be life-threatening, still gives you

a great deal of time, to discover effective treatments, to reverse

the symptoms you are suffering from. I don't mean to belittle your

suffering, as I have had some of the same symptoms, in the last ten

years, since my initial mold exposure, and I know that they are

terrible to endure.

I have copied some definitions of " anaphylaxis " . below. which explain

it scientifically.

Joe

.......................................................

Anaphylaxis is a rapidly progressing, life-threatening allergic

reaction.

Anaphylaxis is a type of allergic reaction, in which the immune

system responds to otherwise harmless substances from the

environment. Unlike other allergic reactions, however, anaphylaxis

can kill. Reaction may begin within minutes or even seconds of

exposure, and rapidly progress to cause airway constriction, skin and

intestinal irritation, and altered heart rhythms. In severe cases, it

can result in complete airway obstruction, shock, and death.

..

Hypersensitivity especially in animals to a substance, such as

foreign protein or a drug, that is caused by exposure to a foreign

substance after a preliminary exposure.

[ANA– + (PRO)PHYLAXIS.]

Hypersensitivity to certain agents, resulting in pain, swelling, and

feverishness. A form of anaphylaxis occurs in individuals suffering

from nettle rash (urticaria) or asthma, and those who eat foods to

which their bodies are allergic (see food allergy).

A condition called exercise-induced anaphylaxis is triggered in some

people by combinations of exercise and particular foods. Typically,

symptoms occur five minutes into a bout of intense exercise. Itching

is the most common symptom, but others include rashes and difficulty

in breathing. The most common food associated with exercise-induced

anaphylaxis is raw celery, but other foods including shellfish,

peaches, grapes, wheat, and alcohol may increase the risk of an

attack. Medications, such as aspirin and antibiotics, have also been

linked with the condition. In the USA, there have been over 1000

documented cases of exercise-induced anaphylaxis but no reports of

death. However, other forms of anaphylaxis can be more serious (see

anaphylactic shock).

A violent allergic reaction characterized by sudden collapse, shock,

or respiratory and circulatory failure after injection of an allergen.

A condition that occurs in individuals who are hypersensitive to some

substance (e.g. a bee sting) to which they have an abnormal allergic

reaction. Histamine, a powerful vasodilator, is released from tissues

causing either local or widespread reactions. A severe, widespread

reaction can be life-threatening. It is characterized by nausea,

lowered blood pressure, irregular heart beat, vomiting, and

respiratory distress. See also exercise-induced anaphylaxis.

Hypersensitive state that may develop after introduction of a foreign

protein or other antigen into the body tissues. When an anaphylactic

state exists, a second dose of the same protein (commonly an

antibiotic such as penicillin, or certain insect venoms) will cause a

violent allergic reaction. Anaphylaxis results from the production of

specific antibodies in the tissues in very high concentration; the

violent reaction is produced by the neutralization of antigens by the

antibodies. The histamines released during the reaction are thought

to cause the most damage, i.e., severe vasodilation and loss of

capillary fluid, resulting in circulatory collapse. Other symptoms

include urticaria or edema, choking, coughing, shock, and loss of

consciousness.

Death may occur within 5 to 10 min if no medical help is available.

Anaphylaxis differs from immunity; in immunity, antibodies circulate

in the blood and neutralize antigens without producing a violent

reaction.

.................................................

>

> Joe, did you ever have anything close to anaphylaxis symptoms with

> your allergies before you toxic mold exposure?

> really,I'd have to say in my opinion, my anaphalaxis is actually a

> combination of T.E,along with reaccureing toxic vasculitis,reactive

> airway disease and matabolism disregulation effects and sometimes

> depending on what the exposure is it can also effect my

stomach,cause

> tremors from the waist down which coinsides with the DDD and

> spinal/nerve damage that was working it's way up my back and it can

> than bring on the after effects not limited to but the worst being

in

> my brain/csf. I think the lader depends on weather the exposure

> causes imflamation/infections. the brain infections that go from my

> sinuses to my brain and cause severe fromtal migraines are sometimes

> more controlable if I catch it quick and do some deep sinus washing

> and med's. the infections that go to my brain from infected spinal

> fluid or vasculitis from infections in other organs, I cant control

> at all except hope a pain killer works and wrap cold towels around

my

> head. I'm pretty positive the hot spots on the top and back of the

> head area are spots of infection.csf leaks in the myelin sheath and

> the ones on the sides of the head are from blood vessel(vasculitis)

> leaks. the sinus infections going into my head can also cause csf

> infection from that route sometimes because the myelin sheath ends

> right there close and chances are it's damage right there. theres a

> lot going on right in that area, the olfactory tracts to the linbic

> system,the inner ear(cant think of the name) so theres alot of

damage

> that can accure with not much protecting that route from the sinus

> roof except the mucus system and a very thin layer of tissue. I

don't

> think chemicals were ever meant to be a part of our life.

>

[Guest guest]

thank you Joe, I know what allergy driven anaphylaxis is.

and how it's thought to be IgE driven.

I also know what toxic anaphylaxis is as this is the type my symptoms

fit too. thats why I asked the question, is it possable to become

autimmune when you are bring exposed in a damp moldy environment

where you immune system is being suppressed? where you aquired immune

system is being suppressed. my point being that all the answers

aren't there as to what drives allergic induced anaphylaxis, some

thing IgG may play a role as well. either type is dangerous and

getting a shot if your haveing toxin driven anaphylaxis could cause a

heart attack or stroke. theres a hudge difference in haveing

autoimmune disease and haveing been exposed to cytotoxic mycotoxins.

In , " joseph salowitz "

<josephsalowitz@...> wrote:

>

> Hi Jeanine,

>

> The symptoms you describe sound terrible, and I can feel your pain

in

> your description, but I don't think that you are

> describing " ANAPHYLAXIS " . I have not had an anaphylactic reaction

for

> the last 50 years, since I was a teenager, but the terror of those

> experiences, are still in my memory. The only way to prevent death,

> in an anaphylactic reaction, is an immediate injecttion of

Adreniline

> (epinepherine). The intensity of that injection, in counteracting

the

> anaphylactic reaction, is so great, that many times I fainted from

> the process.

>

> I am describing a " medical emergency " in which, without the

immediate

> injection, I could have died. You appear to be describing a chronic

> condition, which, while it could be life-threatening, still gives

you

> a great deal of time, to discover effective treatments, to reverse

> the symptoms you are suffering from. I don't mean to belittle your

> suffering, as I have had some of the same symptoms, in the last ten

> years, since my initial mold exposure, and I know that they are

> terrible to endure.

>

> I have copied some definitions of " anaphylaxis " . below. which

explain

> it scientifically.

>

> Joe

> ......................................................

>

> Anaphylaxis is a rapidly progressing, life-threatening allergic

> reaction.

>

> Anaphylaxis is a type of allergic reaction, in which the immune

> system responds to otherwise harmless substances from the

> environment. Unlike other allergic reactions, however, anaphylaxis

> can kill. Reaction may begin within minutes or even seconds of

> exposure, and rapidly progress to cause airway constriction, skin

and

> intestinal irritation, and altered heart rhythms. In severe cases,

it

> can result in complete airway obstruction, shock, and death.

> .

> Hypersensitivity especially in animals to a substance, such as

> foreign protein or a drug, that is caused by exposure to a foreign

> substance after a preliminary exposure.

>

> [ANA– + (PRO)PHYLAXIS.]

>

> Hypersensitivity to certain agents, resulting in pain, swelling,

and

> feverishness. A form of anaphylaxis occurs in individuals suffering

> from nettle rash (urticaria) or asthma, and those who eat foods to

> which their bodies are allergic (see food allergy).

> A condition called exercise-induced anaphylaxis is triggered in

some

> people by combinations of exercise and particular foods. Typically,

> symptoms occur five minutes into a bout of intense exercise.

Itching

> is the most common symptom, but others include rashes and

difficulty

> in breathing. The most common food associated with exercise-induced

> anaphylaxis is raw celery, but other foods including shellfish,

> peaches, grapes, wheat, and alcohol may increase the risk of an

> attack. Medications, such as aspirin and antibiotics, have also

been

> linked with the condition. In the USA, there have been over 1000

> documented cases of exercise-induced anaphylaxis but no reports of

> death. However, other forms of anaphylaxis can be more serious (see

> anaphylactic shock).

>

> A violent allergic reaction characterized by sudden collapse,

shock,

> or respiratory and circulatory failure after injection of an

allergen.

>

> A condition that occurs in individuals who are hypersensitive to

some

> substance (e.g. a bee sting) to which they have an abnormal

allergic

> reaction. Histamine, a powerful vasodilator, is released from

tissues

> causing either local or widespread reactions. A severe, widespread

> reaction can be life-threatening. It is characterized by nausea,

> lowered blood pressure, irregular heart beat, vomiting, and

> respiratory distress. See also exercise-induced anaphylaxis.

>

> Hypersensitive state that may develop after introduction of a

foreign

> protein or other antigen into the body tissues. When an

anaphylactic

> state exists, a second dose of the same protein (commonly an

> antibiotic such as penicillin, or certain insect venoms) will cause

a

> violent allergic reaction. Anaphylaxis results from the production

of

> specific antibodies in the tissues in very high concentration; the

> violent reaction is produced by the neutralization of antigens by

the

> antibodies. The histamines released during the reaction are thought

> to cause the most damage, i.e., severe vasodilation and loss of

> capillary fluid, resulting in circulatory collapse. Other symptoms

> include urticaria or edema, choking, coughing, shock, and loss of

> consciousness.

>

> Death may occur within 5 to 10 min if no medical help is available.

> Anaphylaxis differs from immunity; in immunity, antibodies

circulate

> in the blood and neutralize antigens without producing a violent

> reaction.

> ................................................

>

>

> >

> > Joe, did you ever have anything close to anaphylaxis symptoms with

> > your allergies before you toxic mold exposure?

> > really,I'd have to say in my opinion, my anaphalaxis is actually a

> > combination of T.E,along with reaccureing toxic

vasculitis,reactive

> > airway disease and matabolism disregulation effects and sometimes

> > depending on what the exposure is it can also effect my

> stomach,cause

> > tremors from the waist down which coinsides with the DDD and

> > spinal/nerve damage that was working it's way up my back and it

can

> > than bring on the after effects not limited to but the worst

being

> in

> > my brain/csf. I think the lader depends on weather the exposure

> > causes imflamation/infections. the brain infections that go from

my

> > sinuses to my brain and cause severe fromtal migraines are

sometimes

> > more controlable if I catch it quick and do some deep sinus

washing

> > and med's. the infections that go to my brain from infected spinal

> > fluid or vasculitis from infections in other organs, I cant

control

> > at all except hope a pain killer works and wrap cold towels

around

> my

> > head. I'm pretty positive the hot spots on the top and back of the

> > head area are spots of infection.csf leaks in the myelin sheath

and

> > the ones on the sides of the head are from blood vessel

(vasculitis)

> > leaks. the sinus infections going into my head can also cause csf

> > infection from that route sometimes because the myelin sheath ends

> > right there close and chances are it's damage right there. theres

a

> > lot going on right in that area, the olfactory tracts to the

linbic

> > system,the inner ear(cant think of the name) so theres alot of

> damage

> > that can accure with not much protecting that route from the sinus

> > roof except the mucus system and a very thin layer of tissue. I

> don't

> > think chemicals were ever meant to be a part of our life.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

kind of like the difference in allergic anaphylaxis and toxic shock

syndrome, you would treat them the same way. I've wanted to call 911

a few times but I'm afraid they would misdiagnose me and give me

something that might finish me off.

> > >

> > > Joe, did you ever have anything close to anaphylaxis symptoms

with

> > > your allergies before you toxic mold exposure?

> > > really,I'd have to say in my opinion, my anaphalaxis is

actually a

> > > combination of T.E,along with reaccureing toxic

> vasculitis,reactive

> > > airway disease and matabolism disregulation effects and

sometimes

> > > depending on what the exposure is it can also effect my

> > stomach,cause

> > > tremors from the waist down which coinsides with the DDD and

> > > spinal/nerve damage that was working it's way up my back and it

> can

> > > than bring on the after effects not limited to but the worst

> being

> > in

> > > my brain/csf. I think the lader depends on weather the exposure

> > > causes imflamation/infections. the brain infections that go

from

> my

> > > sinuses to my brain and cause severe fromtal migraines are

> sometimes

> > > more controlable if I catch it quick and do some deep sinus

> washing

> > > and med's. the infections that go to my brain from infected

spinal

> > > fluid or vasculitis from infections in other organs, I cant

> control

> > > at all except hope a pain killer works and wrap cold towels

> around

> > my

> > > head. I'm pretty positive the hot spots on the top and back of

the

> > > head area are spots of infection.csf leaks in the myelin sheath

> and

> > > the ones on the sides of the head are from blood vessel

> (vasculitis)

> > > leaks. the sinus infections going into my head can also cause

csf

> > > infection from that route sometimes because the myelin sheath

ends

> > > right there close and chances are it's damage right there.

theres

> a

> > > lot going on right in that area, the olfactory tracts to the

> linbic

> > > system,the inner ear(cant think of the name) so theres alot of

> > damage

> > > that can accure with not much protecting that route from the

sinus

> > > roof except the mucus system and a very thin layer of tissue. I

> > don't

> > > think chemicals were ever meant to be a part of our life.

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

sorrt, once again I left the N'T off of wouldn't

> > >

> > > Hi Jeanine,

> > >

> > > The symptoms you describe sound terrible, and I can feel your

> pain

> > in

> > > your description, but I don't think that you are

> > > describing " ANAPHYLAXIS " . I have not had an anaphylactic

reaction

> > for

> > > the last 50 years, since I was a teenager, but the terror of

> those

> > > experiences, are still in my memory. The only way to prevent

> death,

> > > in an anaphylactic reaction, is an immediate injecttion of

> > Adreniline

> > > (epinepherine). The intensity of that injection, in

counteracting

> > the

> > > anaphylactic reaction, is so great, that many times I fainted

> from

> > > the process.

> > >

> > > I am describing a " medical emergency " in which, without the

> > immediate

> > > injection, I could have died. You appear to be describing a

> chronic

> > > condition, which, while it could be life-threatening, still

gives

> > you

> > > a great deal of time, to discover effective treatments, to

> reverse

> > > the symptoms you are suffering from. I don't mean to belittle

> your

> > > suffering, as I have had some of the same symptoms, in the last

> ten

> > > years, since my initial mold exposure, and I know that they are

> > > terrible to endure.

> > >

> > > I have copied some definitions of " anaphylaxis " . below. which

> > explain

> > > it scientifically.

> > >

> > > Joe

> > > ......................................................

> > >

> > > Anaphylaxis is a rapidly progressing, life-threatening allergic

> > > reaction.

> > >

> > > Anaphylaxis is a type of allergic reaction, in which the immune

> > > system responds to otherwise harmless substances from the

> > > environment. Unlike other allergic reactions, however,

> anaphylaxis

> > > can kill. Reaction may begin within minutes or even seconds of

> > > exposure, and rapidly progress to cause airway constriction,

skin

> > and

> > > intestinal irritation, and altered heart rhythms. In severe

> cases,

> > it

> > > can result in complete airway obstruction, shock, and death.

> > > .

> > > Hypersensitivity especially in animals to a substance, such as

> > > foreign protein or a drug, that is caused by exposure to a

> foreign

> > > substance after a preliminary exposure.

> > >

> > > [ANA– + (PRO)PHYLAXIS.]

> > >

> > > Hypersensitivity to certain agents, resulting in pain,

swelling,

> > and

> > > feverishness. A form of anaphylaxis occurs in individuals

> suffering

> > > from nettle rash (urticaria) or asthma, and those who eat foods

> to

> > > which their bodies are allergic (see food allergy).

> > > A condition called exercise-induced anaphylaxis is triggered in

> > some

> > > people by combinations of exercise and particular foods.

> Typically,

> > > symptoms occur five minutes into a bout of intense exercise.

> > Itching

> > > is the most common symptom, but others include rashes and

> > difficulty

> > > in breathing. The most common food associated with exercise-

> induced

> > > anaphylaxis is raw celery, but other foods including shellfish,

> > > peaches, grapes, wheat, and alcohol may increase the risk of an

> > > attack. Medications, such as aspirin and antibiotics, have also

> > been

> > > linked with the condition. In the USA, there have been over

1000

> > > documented cases of exercise-induced anaphylaxis but no reports

> of

> > > death. However, other forms of anaphylaxis can be more serious

> (see

> > > anaphylactic shock).

> > >

> > > A violent allergic reaction characterized by sudden collapse,

> > shock,

> > > or respiratory and circulatory failure after injection of an

> > allergen.

> > >

> > > A condition that occurs in individuals who are hypersensitive

to

> > some

> > > substance (e.g. a bee sting) to which they have an abnormal

> > allergic

> > > reaction. Histamine, a powerful vasodilator, is released from

> > tissues

> > > causing either local or widespread reactions. A severe,

> widespread

> > > reaction can be life-threatening. It is characterized by

nausea,

> > > lowered blood pressure, irregular heart beat, vomiting, and

> > > respiratory distress. See also exercise-induced anaphylaxis.

> > >

> > > Hypersensitive state that may develop after introduction of a

> > foreign

> > > protein or other antigen into the body tissues. When an

> > anaphylactic

> > > state exists, a second dose of the same protein (commonly an

> > > antibiotic such as penicillin, or certain insect venoms) will

> cause

> > a

> > > violent allergic reaction. Anaphylaxis results from the

> production

> > of

> > > specific antibodies in the tissues in very high concentration;

> the

> > > violent reaction is produced by the neutralization of antigens

by

> > the

> > > antibodies. The histamines released during the reaction are

> thought

> > > to cause the most damage, i.e., severe vasodilation and loss of

> > > capillary fluid, resulting in circulatory collapse. Other

> symptoms

> > > include urticaria or edema, choking, coughing, shock, and loss

of

> > > consciousness.

> > >

> > > Death may occur within 5 to 10 min if no medical help is

> available.

> > > Anaphylaxis differs from immunity; in immunity, antibodies

> > circulate

> > > in the blood and neutralize antigens without producing a

violent

> > > reaction.

> > > ................................................

> > >

> > > --- In , " who " <jeaninem660@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Joe, did you ever have anything close to anaphylaxis symptoms

> with

> > > > your allergies before you toxic mold exposure?

> > > > really,I'd have to say in my opinion, my anaphalaxis is

> actually a

> > > > combination of T.E,along with reaccureing toxic

> > vasculitis,reactive

> > > > airway disease and matabolism disregulation effects and

> sometimes

> > > > depending on what the exposure is it can also effect my

> > > stomach,cause

> > > > tremors from the waist down which coinsides with the DDD and

> > > > spinal/nerve damage that was working it's way up my back and

it

> > can

> > > > than bring on the after effects not limited to but the worst

> > being

> > > in

> > > > my brain/csf. I think the lader depends on weather the

exposure

> > > > causes imflamation/infections. the brain infections that go

> from

> > my

> > > > sinuses to my brain and cause severe fromtal migraines are

> > sometimes

> > > > more controlable if I catch it quick and do some deep sinus

> > washing

> > > > and med's. the infections that go to my brain from infected

> spinal

> > > > fluid or vasculitis from infections in other organs, I cant

> > control

> > > > at all except hope a pain killer works and wrap cold towels

> > around

> > > my

> > > > head. I'm pretty positive the hot spots on the top and back

of

> the

> > > > head area are spots of infection.csf leaks in the myelin

sheath

> > and

> > > > the ones on the sides of the head are from blood vessel

> > (vasculitis)

> > > > leaks. the sinus infections going into my head can also cause

> csf

> > > > infection from that route sometimes because the myelin sheath

> ends

> > > > right there close and chances are it's damage right there.

> theres

> > a

> > > > lot going on right in that area, the olfactory tracts to the

> > linbic

> > > > system,the inner ear(cant think of the name) so theres alot

of

> > > damage

> > > > that can accure with not much protecting that route from the

> sinus

> > > > roof except the mucus system and a very thin layer of tissue.

I

> > > don't

> > > > think chemicals were ever meant to be a part of our life.

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I have been reading this discussion about anaphylaxis,

urticaria,vascu. (spell), etc. Jeanine, did the sores come all at

once or a slow process. I checked out the photo. When I first became

ill I started out with urticaria, or at least that is what they

called it. I had been on an antiobiotic but had been finished the

medication for several days and one night took a shower and I got out

and started itching all most right away. I thought it was some soap I

used so I got back in the shower and washed over myself again. I

started getting large welts here and there especially the trunk of my

body. It went on for several hours and I didn't know what to do. My

husband was working the night shift that night. I remember looking on

the internet about hives and then called my mom. By the time I hung

up from her I looked in the mirror and I looked like I was 100. My

eyes were bagging over and my body was covered. You couldn't even see

what I really looked like. I drove myself to the hospital and they

gave me a benedryl injection, some prendizone and one of those

epinepherine things to take home if I had trouble breathing. I wasn't

having trouble breathing but maybe I got there in time. The hives

went away a day later but came back a few days later and I looked the

same as before and very itchy. Went back to the emergency. They gave

me benedryl injection again and told me to get make an emergency

appointment with an allergist. They seem to think it was a penicillin

reaction even though I never had problems before. I had found out I

had mold in the home a few weeks before and was having sinus and

chest pain. That was the start of my illness from mold back 10 years

ago. One thing I have used on other itchy problems is zinc oxide from

pathmark. I can't use all kinds but the pathmark kind seems to

relieve me and has gotten rid of some brown and red spots on my arms

and my back. Of course I am just telling my expenience and not

advising. They did give me prendizone for several months, of course

now I have heard bad things about it but I guess in certain cases

they must use it. Also used zyrtec, and benedryl during the urticaria

phase. It never came back but then I now live with chemical

sensitivities, candida, etc. Just wanted to talk about the hives,

sores so you can have different ideas. I never had any fiber type

things. Hope you feel better and have seen an allergist or

dermatoligist (spell). But luckily back then I had insurance. Hope

you feel better soon. Somewhat at least.

>

> Hi Jeanine,

>

> The symptoms you describe sound terrible, and I can feel your pain

in

> your description, but I don't think that you are

> describing " ANAPHYLAXIS " . I have not had an anaphylactic reaction

for

> the last 50 years, since I was a teenager, but the terror of those

> experiences, are still in my memory. The only way to prevent death,

> in an anaphylactic reaction, is an immediate injecttion of

Adreniline

>

[Guest guest]

ps Joe, when you say RUN, let me say that for some of us it's all we

can do to keep our legs underneath us.theres been times I went down

and couldn't move to get to the bathroom to shower or wash my sinuses

or anything else and just getting away doesn't stop the reaction when

the substance clings to your hair,skin and cloths. these are the

tomes when liveing alone can be quite scary. rgwewa been several

times I just had to lay there and let it take it's corse because I

couldn't do anything else.

[Guest guest]

Hi Jeanine,

Been there. Done that. Wandered the street once, for 48 hours, without

sleeping, until I could locate a place to sleep, away from the moldy

environment. Without a NEW environment, AWAY from your mold, NOTHING

good can happen to you. No treatment or procedure will work, if your

body is being bombarded with mold/mycotoxin assault. Go to YMCA/YWCA,

and explain your situation. They will let you shower for free. Then,

after shower, throw mold exposed clothes into trash, and put on NEW

clothes, from original store air-tight bag. Then try to negotiate

a " compassionate rate " with YMCA/YWCA, for short term stay, until you

locate anther place to sleep. Look for 4 walls and a bed. Don't make

any long-term plans until you are away from your moldy environment. If.

like me, you are Jewish, look for a YMHA/YWHA, and follow above steps.

Please don't take offense, but it is obvious from the lack of clarity

in your writing, that you are not able to make long-term plans at this

time, and your actions are being " paralyzed " by the immensity of the

task ahead of you.

RUN, RUN, RUN, FAST, FAST, FAST.

Joe

..........................................................

>

> ps Joe, when you say RUN, let me say that for some of us it's all we

> can do to keep our legs underneath us.theres been times I went down

> and couldn't move to get to the bathroom to shower or wash my sinuses

> or anything else and just getting away doesn't stop the reaction when

> the substance clings to your hair,skin and cloths. these are the

> tomes when liveing alone can be quite scary. rgwewa been several

> times I just had to lay there and let it take it's corse because I

> couldn't do anything else.

>

[Guest guest]

sorry Joe, you lost me on that one, I have a place to live, shower,

wash my sinuses and walk or crawl to when I leave my space and get

hit by a mold/myco or chemical assult when outside or to or from

where ever I have to go sometimes. if your talking about my spelling,

yes, my brain injury did affect that and still does, some days better

than others, possably the fact that I dont see to well also hinders

my writeing. other than that I can tell you what a lot of people

assume and are wrong about is that someone with a brain injury is

stupied pr that judgeing anyone by their writeing to stupied.

sorry if ny posting sound a little short you just reminded me of

someone else that used to be on this board. maybe you could take some

time and look through the archives. ps telling someone not to take

affence than affending them is kindof stupied in itself, dont you

think?

> >

> > ps Joe, when you say RUN, let me say that for some of us it's all

we

> > can do to keep our legs underneath us.theres been times I went

down

> > and couldn't move to get to the bathroom to shower or wash my

sinuses

> > or anything else and just getting away doesn't stop the reaction

when

> > the substance clings to your hair,skin and cloths. these are the

> > tomes when liveing alone can be quite scary. rgwewa been several

> > times I just had to lay there and let it take it's corse because I

> > couldn't do anything else.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

And I so remember who your talking about... I dont think Joe meant any harm, I

just think he does not understand the whole brain injury thing. For those of us

that do, it gets old typeing retypeing spellchecking so we just let it go. It is

hard to understand but it is real, I know that. I get shuned all the time about

spelling but oh well. Besides, Jeanine, Ive learned to read your post as if you

had nothing wrong.  All that matters is that they get the jest, right....

[Guest guest]

right and if it's something they don't understand, ask

questions, don't judge.

if I wan't to be shrinked,I'll go to one.

>

> And I so remember who your talking about... I dont think Joe meant

any harm, I just think he does not understand the whole brain injury

thing. For those of us that do, it gets old typeing retypeing

spellchecking so we just let it go. It is hard to understand but it is

real, I know that. I get shuned all the time about spelling but oh

well. Besides, Jeanine, Ive learned to read your post as if you had

nothing wrong.  All that matters is that they get the jest, right....

>

[Guest guest]

This is really interesting. Is there anyone here that also belongs to

the autism community?

I have had my scares with my son. I have researched tourrettes,

arachnoid cyst, epilepsy, and finally autism as the bio-medical

information is invaluable.

I have been very interested in those particular topics as it happens

from the chemical exposure of vaccines and especially the flu

vaccines. I have been researching and wondering if toxins can cause

the fight or flight response chemically thus causing encephalitis.

Also recently I became very interested in anaphylaxis. I would say it

is chronic and atypical in nature, but does seem to be an issue. Many

feel that the protein (the allergen??) used in the vaccines can trigger

the allergy when one is vaccinated.

One example would be the number of nurses allergic to latex because of

how the bottle was sealed.

Someone mentioned yeast which is one of autisms most dreaded enemies.

I wonder if these communities could learn a lot from each other.

toxic overload

Thanks,

Mia

>

> I'm getting that anaphylaxis driven by allergies that is autoimmune

> driven is related to hives/rashes, while non-autoimmune related toxin

> driven anaphylaxis causes vaculitis.

> if this is correct it seems this would be a very good seperation of

the

> condiction and whats causeing it.

>

[Guest guest]

There is a tremendous overlap between the symptoms of mold illness and

symptoms of vaccine injury. Mycotoxins are neurotoxic as is mercury,

aluminum, formaldahyde, MSG and 2-PE - all ingredients used in

vaccines. Now add the viral load and recombinant proteins and you have

neurotoxic soup. Then we send our children to mold infested schools,

drive them to and from the dr for their vaccines in a mold producing

vehicles, it's amazing we haven't killed more kids. As my son's dr put

it, a toxic reaction is a toxic reaction no matter what the toxin.

[Guest guest]

Hi Mia, if you do a search on " toxic anaphylaxis " you'll read that

allergic anaphylaxis is very rare. anaphylaxis caused by autoimmune

reaction is actually a toxin driven anaphylaxis because our killer

cells are fairly toxic. so it seems that the protien may cause a

autoimmune attack which than can cause a anaphylaxis. seems wrong to

me that allergies and toxic reactions have been all lumped together

when they aren't the same thing at all. latex also has toxic

chemicals.

[Guest guest]

actually if you think about this it's a perfect example of how dose

matters. a allergic reaction always involves a immune reaction but the

higher the dose of the allergens with a exposure the higher the amount

of protiens attaching to cells and the higher the amount of autoimmune

toxicity from our killer cells and the higher the chance of haveing a

toxic anaphylaxis attack. how can a allergest not understand this?

with toxic mold exposure and the way I understand the communacations

between the innate immune system and the aquired immune system, I dont

see how you could have a autoimmune responce (self attacking self) when

you are being exposed to toxins that suppress your aquired immune

system because the innate immune system funtions are suppose to

activate the aquired immune system and wouldn't it take both systems

reacting to have a autoimmune responce?

>

> Hi Mia, if you do a search on " toxic anaphylaxis " you'll read that

> allergic anaphylaxis is very rare. anaphylaxis caused by autoimmune

> reaction is actually a toxin driven anaphylaxis because our killer

> cells are fairly toxic. so it seems that the protien may cause a

> autoimmune attack which than can cause a anaphylaxis. seems wrong to

> me that allergies and toxic reactions have been all lumped together

> when they aren't the same thing at all. latex also has toxic

> chemicals.

>