Re: Quality of information

[Guest guest]

Hey ,

As far as some of the information on here being " BOGUS " I find that

quite interesting. If you don't mind introduce yourself and what

brings you to the group. Have you been exposed in a water damaged

building and you are dealing with medical conditions as a result of?

Just an observer? Or are you a professional in one of many

environmental fields, if so what certifications do you hold and who

are you certified by? It's always nice to see a difference of opinion

that maybe we can all learn from. I think the more professionals

communicating helps everyone in the long run.

Hopefully we can do this in a nonaggressive manner and keep it on a

professional level.

KC

>

> Seems to me that the quality of information posted here varies

wildly.

> The technical stuff can be presented in a way to make it sound

> convincing, but is actually wrong. I read this Jeff guy, and his

> mechanical knowledge is off. I suspect his heart is in the right

place,

> but to give him credence in all he says is a mistake.

>

[Guest guest]

I echo the sentiments of KC, the owner/moderator. This board is an

outgrowth of human misery as a result of indoor air quality, or lack

thereof. You will find people who don't have a lot of formal

education but are sick and who research and work hard to share what

they know to help alleviate the human suffering of fellow humans.

You will find nurses, some docs, lawyers, microbiologists, teachers

and office workers. You will find parents of children suffering from

mold exposure in their classrooms. You will find builders, victims of

poorly constructed homes, and those who " lurk " just to watch what

others have to say.

The spectrum of the contributors is wide but mostly sincere and well

meaning. There are people working as activists who are trying to get

legislation passed to change working and building conditions. I am

sure I have left some important groups out. To them I apologize. To

you, I will suggest that if you feel the need to " disagree, please do

not be disagreeable. "

May the need for this board, cease, soon. There are folks on this

board reaching out to others only to help. And, doing their best,

always. We might find updated material that might correct an error,

but it is done kindly, and in good taste.

Welcome aboard.

>

> Seems to me that the quality of information posted here varies wildly.

> The technical stuff can be presented in a way to make it sound

> convincing, but is actually wrong. I read this Jeff guy, and his

> mechanical knowledge is off. I suspect his heart is in the right place,

> but to give him credence in all he says is a mistake.

>

[Guest guest]

,

The " Jeff guy " you refer to is Jeff May, a nationally recognized

expert. Rather than innuendo, what specifically about his

mechanical information do you disagee with you?

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

-----

> Seems to me that the quality of information posted here varies wildly.

> The technical stuff can be presented in a way to make it sound

> convincing, but is actually wrong. I read this Jeff guy, and his

> mechanical knowledge is off. I suspect his heart is in the right place,

> but to give him credence in all he says is a mistake.

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

> FAIR USE NOTICE:

>

>

[Guest guest]

Seems to me, that this " " is a DEFENSE lurker that is trying to

incite disbelief from experts.

A quick google search yields NO record of this " " who is bashing

people.

Come out of the closet " " and tell us just WHAT makes you competent

to assess who is qualified and who is not. A quick little CV would work or

maybe where you have testified as an " expert " ? Any publications?

Otherwise, be prepared for listees to challenge your " posts " .

Inquiring minds want to know.

" Medical research has made such progress, that there are practically no

healthy people any more. " – Aldous Huxley

" ....Perfume to you, to me is excrement. " - Pope

I will not have my life narrowed down

.. I will not bow down to somebody else's whim or to someone else's

ignorance. -bell hooks

[Guest guest]

The wetness of the coils. The fan coils are not wet unless water is applied to

them. The evaporator coils can frost up, and moisture can occur at low

temperature. The image presented was one of water being a part of a medium

conducive to the culture of bio-organisms. This is not the case.

From: Carl E. Grimes <grimes@...>

Subject: Re: [] Quality of information

Date: Thursday, July 17, 2008, 1:54 AM

,

The " Jeff guy " you refer to is Jeff May, a nationally recognized

expert. Rather than innuendo, what specifically about his

mechanical information do you disagee with you?

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

-----

> Seems to me that the quality of information posted here varies wildly.

> The technical stuff can be presented in a way to make it sound

> convincing, but is actually wrong. I read this Jeff guy, and his

> mechanical knowledge is off. I suspect his heart is in the right place,

> but to give him credence in all he says is a mistake.

>

>

> ------------ --------- --------- ------

>

> FAIR USE NOTICE:

>

>

[Guest guest]

I appreciate the cogency of you message. I am very new to this, even extending

to the entire computer experience. My opposition comes from my personal

experience, as one who deals with the general operation of Commercial/

Residential buildings. I ask only that skeptical but rational discourse

(somehow) prevail, and I hope you can assist.

Thank you.

From: ginloi <ginloi@...>

Subject: [] Re: Quality of information

Date: Thursday, July 17, 2008, 1:51 AM

I echo the sentiments of KC, the owner/moderator. This board is an

outgrowth of human misery as a result of indoor air quality, or lack

thereof. You will find people who don't have a lot of formal

education but are sick and who research and work hard to share what

they know to help alleviate the human suffering of fellow humans.

You will find nurses, some docs, lawyers, microbiologists, teachers

and office workers. You will find parents of children suffering from

mold exposure in their classrooms. You will find builders, victims of

poorly constructed homes, and those who " lurk " just to watch what

others have to say.

The spectrum of the contributors is wide but mostly sincere and well

meaning. There are people working as activists who are trying to get

legislation passed to change working and building conditions. I am

sure I have left some important groups out. To them I apologize. To

you, I will suggest that if you feel the need to " disagree, please do

not be disagreeable. "

May the need for this board, cease, soon. There are folks on this

board reaching out to others only to help. And, doing their best,

always. We might find updated material that might correct an error,

but it is done kindly, and in good taste.

Welcome aboard.

>

> Seems to me that the quality of information posted here varies wildly.

> The technical stuff can be presented in a way to make it sound

> convincing, but is actually wrong. I read this Jeff guy, and his

> mechanical knowledge is off. I suspect his heart is in the right place,

> but to give him credence in all he says is a mistake.

>

[Guest guest]

I wish to apologize for my arrogance. I only meant to say that my personal

experience demonstrates that the water mentioned in air conditioner " coils " is

very misleading, in that this water almost never actually occurs. If he meant

the evaporator coils, then the supposed infection must exist at below 32

degrees. If he meant the fan coils, then no water exists unless one applies it.

Certainly, situations can occur whereby water may contain harmful and exist in

the airstream, but in the usual and normal operation of the air conditioning

equipment, this fear is unwarranted. My reaction ( a bit knee-jerk ) was the

exploitation of fear as being a built-in design feature of air conditioners in

general when, in fact, it is not.

From: tigerpaw2c <tigerpaw2c@...>

Subject: [] Re: Quality of information

Date: Thursday, July 17, 2008, 1:40 AM

Hey ,

As far as some of the information on here being " BOGUS " I find that

quite interesting. If you don't mind introduce yourself and what

brings you to the group. Have you been exposed in a water damaged

building and you are dealing with medical conditions as a result of?

Just an observer? Or are you a professional in one of many

environmental fields, if so what certifications do you hold and who

are you certified by? It's always nice to see a difference of opinion

that maybe we can all learn from. I think the more professionals

communicating helps everyone in the long run.

Hopefully we can do this in a nonaggressive manner and keep it on a

professional level.

KC

>

> Seems to me that the quality of information posted here varies

wildly.

> The technical stuff can be presented in a way to make it sound

> convincing, but is actually wrong. I read this Jeff guy, and his

> mechanical knowledge is off. I suspect his heart is in the right

place,

> but to give him credence in all he says is a mistake.

>

[Guest guest]

Bboppalou:

Let me tell you of this person you call " Jeff guy. " I am Doug Haney, and I wrote

one book; the first in the country titled, " Toxic Mold! Toxic Enemy! " Jeff May,

one of my most respected friends and is the author/co-author with his wife

Connie of I believe, four or more books on the following subjects:

May's Healthy Home Tips

(http://www.press.jhu.edu/books/title_pages/9472.html) My House Is Killing Me!:

The Home Guide for Families with Allergies and Asthma C. May foreword by

M. Samet, M.D. My Office Is Killing Me!: The Sick Building Survival

Guide C. May The Mold Survival Guide: For Your Home and for Your

Health C. May and Connie L. May with a contribution by J. Ouellette,

M.D., and E. , M.D.

To my recollection, this man is more dedicated to saving lives from the hazards

of unhealthy environments than any other environmental health writer and

experienced IAQ professional living today. You certainly are entitled to your

opinion of anyone visiting the " Sickbuildings " group, and I will take the

liberty of doing the same. What you have stated and the way you have stated it

comes from someone who is totally ignorant of the facts behind the words he

speaks. People come here more often than not as victims of unhealthy

environments seeking to find answers, express ideas, share research and

experiences, and for many other excellent reasons. Some people visit to

downgrade, ridicule, and have subversive intentions to undermine what is being

accomplished by those willing to assist. Your comments remind me of the latter.

With that said, and should you be a professional visitor in some manner, be it a

medical doctor, scientific researcher, insurance agent, or other formal

discipline, let's debate the facts. You bring yours, and I'll bring my 22 years

of exploration within the molecular sciences and we will let the visitors to

this website determine that you and others such as you have not even started to

do their homework. I am ready and willing to take on anyone in the world that

does not believe that the accumulative properties of unhealthy environments do

not pose an adverse, and more often than not, serious health threat to humans.

Anytime you feel sir, that I am not capable of satisfactorily proving it beyond

a reasonable doubt, show me differently with what you have in your background,

and I will literally take pleasure in clobbering you with the true facts and,

within seconds of your challenge. The initial challenge being that " immune

competent people are " rarely " subject to the unhealthy physical affects of molds

and mycotoxins. " I'll be glad to weigh my research talents against yours.

Otherwise, if you do not know something... study hard until you do, and then

your mindset might change considerably along with your attitude.

Doug Haney

Environmental-Health Projects: Research & Consulting

Email: _Haney52@...

@...: bboppalou@...: Thu, 17 Jul 2008

01:27:43 +0000Subject: [] Quality of information

Seems to me that the quality of information posted here varies wildly.The

technical stuff can be presented in a way to make it sound convincing, but is

actually wrong. I read this Jeff guy, and his mechanical knowledge is off. I

suspect his heart is in the right place, but to give him credence in all he says

is a mistake.

_________________________________________________________________

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[Guest guest]

Wow! Jeff May is one of the most well-respected members of this list

and gives of his time to us freely. Yes, he has a heart of gold and

also a list of credentials to go with it. I'm sure that he'd

appreciate knowing specifics of how you disagree with him, as we all

would.

Barth

www.presenting.net/sbs/sbs.html

SUBMIT YOUR DOCTOR: www.presenting.net/sbs/molddoctors.html

---

rdp> Seems to me that the quality of information posted here varies wildly.

rdp> The technical stuff can be presented in a way to make it sound

rdp> convincing, but is actually wrong. I read this Jeff guy, and his

rdp> mechanical knowledge is off. I suspect his heart is in the right place,

rdp> but to give him credence in all he says is a mistake.

[Guest guest]

So, are you saying that you are a maintenance person at an apartment

building or other commercial building?

[Guest guest]

,

You are confusing the freezing temperature of water with the dew

point.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

-----

> I wish to apologize for my arrogance. I only meant to say that my personal

experience demonstrates that the water mentioned in air conditioner " coils " is

very misleading, in that this water almost never actually occurs. If he meant

the evaporator coils, then the supposed infection must exist at below 32

degrees. If he meant the fan coils, then no water exists unless one applies it.

Certainly, situations can occur whereby water may contain harmful and exist in

the airstream, but in the usual and normal operation of the air conditioning

equipment, this fear is unwarranted. My reaction ( a bit knee-jerk ) was the

exploitation of fear as being a built-in design feature of air conditioners in

general when, in fact, it is not.

>

>

>

> From: tigerpaw2c <tigerpaw2c@...>

> Subject: [] Re: Quality of information

>

> Date: Thursday, July 17, 2008, 1:40 AM

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Hey ,

>

> As far as some of the information on here being " BOGUS " I find that

> quite interesting. If you don't mind introduce yourself and what

> brings you to the group. Have you been exposed in a water damaged

> building and you are dealing with medical conditions as a result of?

> Just an observer? Or are you a professional in one of many

> environmental fields, if so what certifications do you hold and who

> are you certified by? It's always nice to see a difference of opinion

> that maybe we can all learn from. I think the more professionals

> communicating helps everyone in the long run.

>

> Hopefully we can do this in a nonaggressive manner and keep it on a

> professional level.

>

> KC

>

>

> >

> > Seems to me that the quality of information posted here varies

> wildly.

> > The technical stuff can be presented in a way to make it sound

> > convincing, but is actually wrong. I read this Jeff guy, and his

> > mechanical knowledge is off. I suspect his heart is in the right

> place,

> > but to give him credence in all he says is a mistake.

> >

>

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[Guest guest]

Speaking of " Defense People " .....the ship of fools are sinking fast!

It's time to give up the Blinders and Ear Plugs and latch onto the

Life Preservers! (soul redemption)

The TOXIC Health Issues conected with water damaged structures have

been recognized and confirmed around the world very LOUDLY!

>

> Seems to me, that this " " is a DEFENSE lurker that is trying

to

> incite disbelief from experts.

>

> A quick google search yields NO record of this " " who is

bashing

> people.

>

> Come out of the closet " " and tell us just WHAT makes you

competent

> to assess who is qualified and who is not. A quick little CV would

work or

> maybe where you have testified as an " expert " ? Any publications?

>

> Otherwise, be prepared for listees to challenge your " posts " .

>

> Inquiring minds want to know.

>

> " Medical research has made such progress, that there are

practically no

> healthy people any more. " †" Aldous Huxley

>

> " ....Perfume to you, to me is excrement. " - Pope

>

>

> I will not have my life narrowed down

> . I will not bow down to somebody else's whim or to someone else's

> ignorance. -bell hooks

>

[Guest guest]

Dont ever challenge, question or otherwise doubt anything said by Jeffery May,

Doug Haney, Carl Grimes or Dr. Shoemaker... - Chris

 

Ya I know I made that one up but I call it like it is... In reality at Doug has

so elequently stated a challenge is openly acceptable but Sure hope the one

challenging any of the above has done alot of homework.

From: ntefusa@... <ntefusa@...>

Subject: Re: [] Quality of information

Date: Thursday, July 17, 2008, 2:50 AM

Seems to me, that this " " is a DEFENSE lurker that is trying to

incite disbelief from experts.

A quick google search yields NO record of this " " who is bashing

people.

Come out of the closet " " and tell us just WHAT makes you competent

to assess who is qualified and who is not. A quick little CV would work or

maybe where you have testified as an " expert " ? Any publications?

Otherwise, be prepared for listees to challenge your " posts " .

Inquiring minds want to know.

" Medical research has made such progress, that there are practically no

healthy people any more. " – Aldous Huxley

" ....Perfume to you, to me is excrement. " - Pope

I will not have my life narrowed down

.. I will not bow down to somebody else's whim or to someone else's

ignorance. -bell hooks

[Guest guest]

This may not be a problem in large commercial air conditioners due to

the fact that the air into them tends to be filtered better, so they

stay cleaner, than the smaller air conditioners that we are talking

about here: window air conditioners and through-the-wall air

conditioners, like the ones in rooms, apartments, hotels and motels.

Look inside one...it won't be a waste of time. All of them are very

moldy unless they have been maintain meticulously. Check it out, then

come back to us and report what you find.

>

> Seems to me that the quality of information posted here varies wildly.

>

[Guest guest]

To all ye of ruffled feathers, allow me to apologize again. I am not an expert

on or of anything. My personal  experience caused me to question a poorly stated

, um, ' condition '. As for being a lurker or someone in defense of quality

information, you simply cannot be more wrong. I'm removing myself from this

group while I try and get more data. Meanwhile, I wish you only the very best in

your efforts.

Regards,

From: happyruiam <happyru@...>

Subject: [] Re: Quality of information

Date: Thursday, July 17, 2008, 3:21 PM

Speaking of " Defense People " ..... the ship of fools are sinking fast!

It's time to give up the Blinders and Ear Plugs and latch onto the

Life Preservers! (soul redemption)

The TOXIC Health Issues conected with water damaged structures have

been recognized and confirmed around the world very LOUDLY!

>

> Seems to me, that this " " is a DEFENSE lurker that is trying

to

> incite disbelief from experts.

>

> A quick google search yields NO record of this " " who is

bashing

> people.

>

> Come out of the closet " " and tell us just WHAT makes you

competent

> to assess who is qualified and who is not. A quick little CV would

work or

> maybe where you have testified as an " expert " ? Any publications?

>

> Otherwise, be prepared for listees to challenge your " posts " .

>

> Inquiring minds want to know.

>

> " Medical research has made such progress, that there are

practically no

> healthy people any more. " ⤠" Aldous Huxley

>

> " ....Perfume to you, to me is excrement. " - Pope

>

>

> I will not have my life narrowed down

> . I will not bow down to somebody else's whim or to someone else's

> ignorance. -bell hooks

>

[Guest guest]

I humbly beg to differ.

Regards,

>

> From: tigerpaw2c <tigerpaw2c (DOT) com>

> Subject: [] Re: Quality of information

>

> Date: Thursday, July 17, 2008, 1:40 AM

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Hey ,

>

> As far as some of the information on here being " BOGUS " I find that

> quite interesting. If you don't mind introduce yourself and what

> brings you to the group. Have you been exposed in a water damaged

> building and you are dealing with medical conditions as a result of?

> Just an observer? Or are you a professional in one of many

> environmental fields, if so what certifications do you hold and who

> are you certified by? It's always nice to see a difference of opinion

> that maybe we can all learn from. I think the more professionals

> communicating helps everyone in the long run.

>

> Hopefully we can do this in a nonaggressive manner and keep it on a

> professional level.

>

> KC

>

>

> >

> > Seems to me that the quality of information posted here varies

> wildly.

> > The technical stuff can be presented in a way to make it sound

> > convincing, but is actually wrong. I read this Jeff guy, and his

> > mechanical knowledge is off. I suspect his heart is in the right

> place,

> > but to give him credence in all he says is a mistake.

> >

>

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[Guest guest]

yes.

From: ntefusa@... <ntefusa@...>

Subject: Re: [] Re: Quality of information

Date: Thursday, July 17, 2008, 12:20 PM

So, are you saying that you are a maintenance person at an apartment

building or other commercial building?

[Guest guest]

Sir, I wish to offer a sincere apology. I will take your advice. I only meant to

question what I felt was an inaccurate portrayal of air conditioning systems in

general.

Regards,

From: Haney <_Haney52@...>

Subject: RE: [] Quality of information

Date: Thursday, July 17, 2008, 3:46 AM

Bboppalou:

Let me tell you of this person you call " Jeff guy. " I am Doug Haney, and I wrote

one book; the first in the country titled, " Toxic Mold! Toxic Enemy! " Jeff May,

one of my most respected friends and is the author/co-author with his wife

Connie of I believe, four or more books on the following subjects:

May's Healthy Home Tips (http://www.press. jhu.edu/books/ title_pages/

9472.html) My House Is Killing Me!: The Home Guide for Families with Allergies

and Asthma C. May foreword by M. Samet, M.D. My Office Is

Killing Me!: The Sick Building Survival Guide C. May The Mold Survival

Guide: For Your Home and for Your Health C. May and Connie L. May with a

contribution by J. Ouellette, M.D., and E. , M.D.

To my recollection, this man is more dedicated to saving lives from the hazards

of unhealthy environments than any other environmental health writer and

experienced IAQ professional living today. You certainly are entitled to your

opinion of anyone visiting the " Sickbuildings " group, and I will take the

liberty of doing the same. What you have stated and the way you have stated it

comes from someone who is totally ignorant of the facts behind the words he

speaks. People come here more often than not as victims of unhealthy

environments seeking to find answers, express ideas, share research and

experiences, and for many other excellent reasons. Some people visit to

downgrade, ridicule, and have subversive intentions to undermine what is being

accomplished by those willing to assist. Your comments remind me of the latter.

With that said, and should you be a professional visitor in some manner, be it a

medical doctor, scientific researcher, insurance agent, or other formal

discipline, let's debate the facts. You bring yours, and I'll bring my 22 years

of exploration within the molecular sciences and we will let the visitors to

this website determine that you and others such as you have not even started to

do their homework. I am ready and willing to take on anyone in the world that

does not believe that the accumulative properties of unhealthy environments do

not pose an adverse, and more often than not, serious health threat to humans.

Anytime you feel sir, that I am not capable of satisfactorily proving it beyond

a reasonable doubt, show me differently with what you have in your background,

and I will literally take pleasure in clobbering you with the true facts and,

within seconds of your challenge. The initial challenge being that " immune

competent people are " rarely "

subject to the unhealthy physical affects of molds and mycotoxins. " I'll be

glad to weigh my research talents against yours.

Otherwise, if you do not know something... study hard until you do, and then

your mindset might change considerably along with your attitude.

Doug Haney

Environmental- Health Projects: Research & Consulting

Email: _Haney52@ hotmail.com

From: bboppalou (DOT) comDate: Thu, 17 Jul

2008 01:27:43 +0000Subject: [] Quality of information

Seems to me that the quality of information posted here varies wildly.The

technical stuff can be presented in a way to make it sound convincing, but is

actually wrong. I read this Jeff guy, and his mechanical knowledge is off.. I

suspect his heart is in the right place, but to give him credence in all he says

is a mistake.

____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _

Time for vacation? WIN what you need- enter now!

http://www.gowindow slive.com/ summergiveaway/ ?ocid=tag_ jlyhm

[Guest guest]

I guess this means that all the people I know who can smell mold when

they turn on their A/C and who have become seriously ill from it,

actually don't have a problem. And I can run my HVAC all I want, and

not pay attention to the musty odors it emits.

I have no technical background and have never looked inside an air

conditioner, but I know that water and accumulated dust can be a

problem, and that the combination of the two creates a perfect nursery

for mold. I don't know where the water condenses or where the dust

accumulates, but I know they are there in many A/C units.

Judith

--- In , richard plumb <bboppalou@...>

wrote:

>

> The wetness of the coils. The fan coils are not wet unless water is

applied to them. The evaporator coils can frost up, and moisture can

occur at low temperature. The image presented was one of water being a

part of a medium conducive to the culture of bio-organisms. This is not

the case.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Goodness came to the site to see any new information today. Welcome to

the group . As you can see we are a very close group and

protective of all here. Many of us have been here guess over 10 years

now. We have worked so hard during the years-- so many are exhausted,

suffering and we rely so much on the educated people that have been our

life line.

[Guest guest]

I suspect that since Mr. Plumb is a maintinence person as stated that he has

been filled with all the excuses he is to tell the tenents as to why they are

crazy when they make these claims about thier air conditioner. I know he says he

will leave the group. If not done so yet I urge him to stay and learn. It seems

he can discuss this issue without anger so if that be the case there is much for

him to learn about what he does for a career from some real pros. So lets hope

he opens his mind because he of all people need to know these things.

From: Judith <howdeeeyall@...>

Subject: [] Re: Quality of information

Date: Thursday, July 17, 2008, 7:58 PM

I guess this means that all the people I know who can smell mold when

they turn on their A/C and who have become seriously ill from it,

actually don't have a problem. And I can run my HVAC all I want, and

not pay attention to the musty odors it emits.

I have no technical background and have never looked inside an air

conditioner, but I know that water and accumulated dust can be a

problem, and that the combination of the two creates a perfect nursery

for mold. I don't know where the water condenses or where the dust

accumulates, but I know they are there in many A/C units.

Judith

--- In , richard plumb <bboppalou@. ..>

wrote:

>

> The wetness of the coils. The fan coils are not wet unless water is

applied to them. The evaporator coils can frost up, and moisture can

occur at low temperature. The image presented was one of water being a

part of a medium conducive to the culture of bio-organisms. This is not

the case.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I don't know a lot about air conditioners but window air conditioners

always get too moldy for me after one summer of use. They don't drain

properly. They accumulate standing water very quickly. The rain also

gets in them. Since there are mold spores in any air, I assume it's

that standing water that gets mold/bacteria. All I can say is, I

bought a portable a/c this year for that reason, figuring that it

would be cleaner.

[Guest guest]

: Though I certainly am not anyone you have to, or even should have to

apologize to, I do want to thank you for your courage to reverse yourself. That

takes a good person at heart. Welcome to Sickbuildings.

God Bless and take care.

Doug Haney

@...: bboppalou@...: Thu, 17 Jul 2008

16:04:39 -0700Subject: RE: [] Quality of information