Re: Question about Dr. Shoemaker and immune system

[Guest guest]

Diane, please understand that Dr. Shoemaker says that this is a

innate immune system disease. kist because mycotoxins do not suppress

the aquired immune system does not mean this is not a immune system

disease. I thank you will be happy with going to him.

>

> Hello Folks: I remember reading inone of Jeanine's post (Can't seem

to

> find it right now) that Dr. Shoemaker said that mycotoxins do NOT

cause

> immune suppression. That is so opposite of everything that I have

read

> about mold and mycotoxins. Is he speaking of just mycotoxins

because

> all the reading I have done says that a faulty immune system is the

> result of living in a moldy environment. Can anyone explain this to

me?

> I am getting ready to see him but my primary problem is low

globulin so

> now I am more confused than ever about going there. I guess my

other

> option is an immunologist. Anyone?? Thanks in advance. Diane

>

[Guest guest]

I don't think that he has said that..

You should use his web sites and books as your reference..

Also, there is a huge amount of stuff on PubMed about mycotoxins and health..

there are at least 20 different MAJOR pathways in which they damage health..

One certainly would be foolish to generalize like I often hear people doing..

On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 10:07 PM, dianebolton52 <dianebolton@...> wrote:

> Hello Folks: I remember reading inone of Jeanine's post (Can't seem to

> find it right now) that Dr. Shoemaker said that mycotoxins do NOT cause

> immune suppression. That is so opposite of everything that I have read

> about mold and mycotoxins. Is he speaking of just mycotoxins because

> all the reading I have done says that a faulty immune system is the

> result of living in a moldy environment. Can anyone explain this to me?

> I am getting ready to see him but my primary problem is low globulin so

> now I am more confused than ever about going there. I guess my other

> option is an immunologist. Anyone?? Thanks in advance. Diane

>

> __

[Guest guest]

ok, for the record, I asked Dr. Shoemaker " do mycotoxins suppress the

immune system? " he said " no " I said, " do mycotoxins suppress the

aquired immune system? " he said " no, this is a innate immune system

disease, a inflamatory disease " . he than told me not to be believeing

everything I read online and somewhere in that conversation he said

that mycotoxins were not the only thing to be conserned about with

these exposures, I said I understood that. I would have commented

that I actually don't believe much of anything I read online and that

I pride myself on being a openminded person and have tried hard to

sort though all the bs, but I was still soaking in what he had just

said and my mind was trying to go back to what I had read about the

innate immune system and I was remembering that I one point that's

exactly what I thought, was that this was a innate immune system

disease and a brain injury disease.believe me, I would have loved to

of asked more questions on that topic and a few others but I do have

a brain injury and it's a little more than a mild one and my trip was

working on my system and we still had to make the drive back to the

airport. but anyway, the innate immune system is a very important

part of our defence system and nothing to joke about when it's not

doing what we need it to do.

>

> Hello Folks: I remember reading inone of Jeanine's post (Can't seem

to

> find it right now) that Dr. Shoemaker said that mycotoxins do NOT

cause

> immune suppression. That is so opposite of everything that I have

read

> about mold and mycotoxins. Is he speaking of just mycotoxins

because

> all the reading I have done says that a faulty immune system is the

> result of living in a moldy environment. Can anyone explain this to

me?

> I am getting ready to see him but my primary problem is low

globulin so

> now I am more confused than ever about going there. I guess my

other

> option is an immunologist. Anyone?? Thanks in advance. Diane

>

[Guest guest]

If you are going to see Dr. Shoemaker then you are headed in the right

direction. Immunologist did nothing for me except make me worse!! I've been

seeing Dr. S for 4 yrs. and am doing 100% better. Great Dr. who I highly

recommend.

Sue

Hello Folks: I remember reading inone of Jeanine's post (Can't seem to

find it right now) that Dr. Shoemaker said that mycotoxins do NOT cause

immune suppression. That is so opposite of everything that I have read

about mold and mycotoxins. Is he speaking of just mycotoxins because

all the reading I have done says that a faulty immune system is the

result of living in a moldy environment. Can anyone explain this to me?

I am getting ready to see him but my primary problem is low globulin so

now I am more confused than ever about going there. I guess my other

option is an immunologist. Anyone?? Thanks in advance. Diane

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[Guest guest]

It must affect the immune system in some. One of my doctors the

infectious disease doctor said by my blood work that I was borderline

immunosuppressive, but he didn't do much about it so who knows. I was

concerned about the yeast, but most of the doctors acted like it was no

problem in 2000. I am allergic to candida albicans since this mold

illness and it is still with me. I don't think many of the doctors I

saw know as much as I had hoped. Then you read how dangerous yeast is

these days.

>

> ok, for the record, I asked Dr. Shoemaker " do mycotoxins suppress the

> immune system? " he said " no " I said, " do mycotoxins suppress the

> aquired immune system? " he said " no, this is a innate immune system

> disease, a inflamatory disease " . he than told me not to be

[Guest guest]

also, there could be some suppression of the aquired immune system, I

recall reading about some of the disfunctions in the innate immune

system are also a factor in the omentum functions and that could

cause some type of aquired immune suppression. I dont think science

has all the answers on exactually whats happening there but I fell

pretty confident that Dr. Shoemaker has a pretty good understanding

of it all.

> >

> > ok, for the record, I asked Dr. Shoemaker " do mycotoxins suppress

the

> > immune system? " he said " no " I said, " do mycotoxins suppress the

> > aquired immune system? " he said " no, this is a innate immune

system

> > disease, a inflamatory disease " . he than told me not to be

>

[Guest guest]

Could it be that some of the other problems caused by mold exposure are the

culprit in

damaging the immume system. In my case, I ended up with diabetes until I moved

and

that alone has compromised my immune system.

[Guest guest]

diabetes has been reconized as a environmental illness.

yes, a toxin is a toxin, many things involved in damp moldy buildings.

even a high dose chronic non-toxic exposure is going to cause the

immune system to work overtime.

>

> Could it be that some of the other problems caused by mold exposure

are the culprit in

> damaging the immume system. In my case, I ended up with diabetes

until I moved and

> that alone has compromised my immune system.

>

[Guest guest]

" Could it be that some of the other problems caused by mold exposure are the

culprit in

damaging the immume system. In my case, I ended up with diabetes until I moved

and

that alone has compromised my immune system. "

Do you mean the mold exposure caused your diabetes, and after you moved, your

diabete is gone?

Please, more details.

hope

[Guest guest]

Something is strange here. A while back I read that Vietnam vets

were covered for Diabetes and it seemed like a " presumption " of

injury or no questions asked, and very strange because they never

give anything up without a huge fight. The same thing happened to me

but I did not think at the time there was a relationship between the

two. I thought it was my extended time being basically in bed except

for a few " essential " tasks, and the great reduction in my once very

high activity level. Diabetes is hormone related and the toxins can

interfere with hormone levels. It would make sense, I would like to

know more about this. Thanks to everyone who had anything to post on

the link to Diabetes.

-- In , gs1 <grapeseed1@...> wrote:

>

> " Could it be that some of the other problems caused by mold

exposure are the culprit in

> damaging the immume system. In my case, I ended up with diabetes

until I moved and

> that alone has compromised my immune system. "

>

> Do you mean the mold exposure caused your diabetes, and after you

moved, your diabete is gone?

>

> Please, more details.

>

> hope

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

my brother got diabetes at 45, it was sudden and he lost alot of

weight fast. I've tried to get him to reconize that it may have been

from a bad exposure to chemicals or related to mold/myco's in crop

harvesting and grinding feed(corn, being around those grain bins, I

post a article awhile back on how it may be more important for

diabetics to lower their colesteral then takeing inselin shots. I

think CSM might help him. he's just not soing to great, cant get him

to listen, you know, think the doctors know all.

[Guest guest]

" diabetes has been reconized as a environmental illness. "

Where can I find out more about this statement?

> >

> > Could it be that some of the other problems caused by mold exposure

> are the culprit in

> > damaging the immume system. In my case, I ended up with diabetes

> until I moved and

> > that alone has compromised my immune system.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

No doctor has put in writing that my diabetes was caused by mold exposure,

however, a

doctor in a world renowned facility related diabetes and inflammation. At that

time, my

entire body seemed to be breaking down. (after long term exposure). Within a

very short

time after moving out of my moldy house, my glucose levels returned to normal

without

diet modification or medication.

Still no written proof.... would love to get my hands on some...

[Guest guest]

Yes. Again, I can't get a doctor to put it in writing, however, it was suggested

by my endo

doc that inflammation causes diabetes... and mold causes inflammation.

Within 30 days of moving out of my house, my glucose levels are better than

normal.

>

> " Could it be that some of the other problems caused by mold exposure are the

culprit

in

> damaging the immume system. In my case, I ended up with diabetes until I moved

and

> that alone has compromised my immune system. "

>

> Do you mean the mold exposure caused your diabetes, and after you moved, your

diabete is gone?

>

> Please, more details.

>

> hope

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Arthritis too..

[Guest guest]

Yes that is exactly what I mean. No trace of diabetes, then after living in my

mold infested

residence for over 2 years, all of a sudden, diabetes surfaced. Then after

moving out,

within 30 days with no diet modifications, no medications, my glucose levels are

better

than normal and have stayed that way.

[Guest guest]

Semco, these exposures do seem to triger underlieing diseases that

may or may not ever show themselfs otherwise. you can read all day

about how mold/,yco and chemical exposures aren't good if you have

diabetes, alot of medical science does not explore what might come

first. my thought is that if you look at it like this you may find

some answers, consider the posablity that chemical exposures>myco's

other oter chemicals/toxins cause a overactive immune responce that

can lead to disfunction,disregulation, and deficiencies of the immune

system causeing a underlieing disease that may never have been

activated to get activated. thats if you truely have diabetes and

it's not a misdiagnoses, I fell strongly that my brother was

misdiagnosed, he not overweight at all. there is a difference in not

produceing enough insulin and produceing it but something keeping the

body from useing it. put " diabetes,a environmental illness " in your

search and look through the links, I think theres a few that talk

about this.

>

> Yes that is exactly what I mean. No trace of diabetes, then after

living in my mold infested

> residence for over 2 years, all of a sudden, diabetes surfaced.

Then after moving out,

> within 30 days with no diet modifications, no medications, my

glucose levels are better

> than normal and have stayed that way.

>