Re: LIFEWAVE glutathione patch

[Guest guest]

I am not a seller of any kind other than reporting what I

have experienced. Maybe the energy patches were debunked (haven’t

researched yet though) but my son and I have had reactions to the GSH ones.

First it was a suspected detox reaction that didn’t feel good (we turned

white, nauseous, fever), now it seems to have turned into positive results. I

get a skin reaction from wearing a whole patch so I wore ½ a patch last night (cut

it right in half with scissors) and did not get the skin irritation maybe

because air was allowed to get in and it was less of the substance. When I woke

up, I immediately felt how soft my skin felt, even my callousy hands were

softer. For my son with autism, he’s calmer the day after he wears one

and he’s normally very hyper… speech has some subtle changes that could

either be the GFCF diet or these patches. I am thankful for the patches because

he can’t do IV glutathione because he would pull the IV out. He does pull

off the patch as well but gets some time with it on. My DAN! didn’t

discredit these but didn’t support them either – I don’t know

if they use them to know either way. He just said be careful with the activated

charcoal because it will bind to everything and my son is about to start other

meds. The DAN! does support glutathione and didn’t seem surprised that it

would seem to be working. Epsom salts recommended 1 or 2 times a week.

[Guest guest]

I will not doubt your experience. But tell me why this works. This is

a band-aid made from adhesive sticky tape and some sort of sugar. I

don't want people who are using them and seeing good results to stop.

I want people to stop selling them on a national list for parents of

sick children.

In 2005 they were supposedly selling the energy patches to seniors.

Now they have a new market, and it infuriates me.

>

> I am not a seller of any kind other than reporting what I have

experienced.

> Maybe the energy patches were debunked (haven't researched yet

though) but

> my son and I have had reactions to the GSH ones. First it was a

suspected

> detox reaction that didn't feel good (we turned white, nauseous,

fever), now

> it seems to have turned into positive results. I get a skin

reaction from

> wearing a whole patch so I wore ½ a patch last night (cut it right

in half

> with scissors) and did not get the skin irritation maybe because

air was

> allowed to get in and it was less of the substance. When I woke up,

I

> immediately felt how soft my skin felt, even my callousy hands were

softer.

> For my son with autism, he's calmer the day after he wears one and

he's

> normally very hyper… speech has some subtle changes that could

either be the

> GFCF diet or these patches. I am thankful for the patches because

he can't

> do IV glutathione because he would pull the IV out. He does pull

off the

> patch as well but gets some time with it on. My DAN! didn't

discredit these

> but didn't support them either – I don't know if they use them to

know

> either way. He just said be careful with the activated charcoal

because it

> will bind to everything and my son is about to start other meds.

The DAN!

> does support glutathione and didn't seem surprised that it would

seem to be

> working. Epsom salts recommended 1 or 2 times a week.

>

[Guest guest]

jessica i hear you on the sceptic part, we are getting ready to try them and are doing some science testing on them to see how they hold up to their statemens, I am NOT in the company, not sure what to think really so I will let others know what we find out, our DAN is having us (and possibley a few others) test metal dumping PRIOR to them and glutathione levels before them, AND we are chooseing the labs to do them at (genova for the glutathione, and dr's data for the urine metal) THEN I will put my son on it and retest and will report to the group what we see, the patches have been donated so I have no vested interest in seeing results either way, and the tests have also been fund raised for by an outside souce again not paid for by me or the company.

christel

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Re: LIFEWAVE glutathione patch

I will not doubt your experience. But tell me why this works. This is a band-aid made from adhesive sticky tape and some sort of sugar. I don't want people who are using them and seeing good results to stop. I want people to stop selling them on a national list for parents of sick children.In 2005 they were supposedly selling the energy patches to seniors. Now they have a new market, and it infuriates me.>> I am not a seller of any kind other than reporting what I have experienced.> Maybe the energy patches were debunked (haven't researched yet though) but> my son and I have had reactions to the GSH ones. First it was a suspected> detox reaction that didn't feel good (we turned white, nauseous, fever), now> it seems to have turned into positive results. I get a skin reaction from> wearing a whole patch so I wore ½ a patch last night (cut it right in half> with scissors) and did not get the skin irritation maybe because air was> allowed to get in and it was less of the substance. When I woke up, I> immediately felt how soft my skin felt, even my callousy hands were softer.> For my son with autism, he's calmer the day after he wears one and he's> normally very hyper… speech has some subtle changes that could either be the> GFCF diet or these patches. I am thankful for the patches because he can't> do IV glutathione because he would pull the IV out. He does pull off the> patch as well but gets some time with it on. My DAN! didn't discredit these> but didn't support them either – I don't know if they use them to know> either way. He just said be careful with the activated charcoal because it> will bind to everything and my son is about to start other meds. The DAN!> does support glutathione and didn't seem surprised that it would seem to be> working. Epsom salts recommended 1 or 2 times a week.>

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[Guest guest]

Hey ,

I don't think you're supposed to cut these. You can tape them over your clothes if you get a contact rash, or wear them for less time.

Kim

Subject: Re: LIFEWAVE glutathione patchTo: mb12 valtrex Date: Thursday, November 6, 2008, 8:58 AM

I am not a seller of any kind other than reporting what I have experienced. Maybe the energy patches were debunked (haven’t researched yet though) but my son and I have had reactions to the GSH ones. First it was a suspected detox reaction that didn’t feel good (we turned white, nauseous, fever), now it seems to have turned into positive results. I get a skin reaction from wearing a whole patch so I wore ½ a patch last night (cut it right in half with scissors) and did not get the skin irritation maybe because air was allowed to get in and it was less of the substance. When I woke up, I immediately felt how soft my skin felt, even my callousy hands were softer. For my son with autism, he’s calmer the day after he wears one and he’s normally very hyper… speech has some subtle changes that could either be the GFCF diet or these patches. I am thankful for

the patches because he can’t do IV glutathione because he would pull the IV out. He does pull off the patch as well but gets some time with it on. My DAN! didn’t discredit these but didn’t support them either – I don’t know if they use them to know either way. He just said be careful with the activated charcoal because it will bind to everything and my son is about to start other meds. The DAN! does support glutathione and didn’t seem surprised that it would seem to be working. Epsom salts recommended 1 or 2 times a week.

[Guest guest]

We are on the topic of the patches... Buffy, NEVER NEVER NEVER stated that Arbonne was single-handedly recovering children from autism. NO ONE spoke of recovery through body lotion, ONLY that they are gluten free, etc. On the subject of the patches: We do not discredit others success' within this group. We are talking recovery options. We are ALL educated here, there are negative's and positive's if you do your research. It is the view you choose to have, just because it doesn't work for your child does not give you the right to discredit "others experiences", their word, or their intentions. We all sincerely want the best for you and your child regardless of the product you use. I as well as others within this group hope that you find that puzzle piece for your child. Best of luck to you and God Bless You...

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[Guest guest]

How do you know they are sugar? I seriously doubt a sugar

could cause the skin irritation and the positive effects as well.

As for testing them, I don’t have a laboratory set up

in my home but I take the leap of faith in some cases… it’s the

same with buying most anything. Like vitamins, how do you know how “good”

the vitamins are?

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Walsh Tharp

E-mail: swtharp@...

[Guest guest]

Hi Christel,

Great idea. I merely dislike hard working families being taken

advantage of, and when I found out this was an OLD scam with new

pretty new packaging, it makes me very mad. Lifewave originally

catered to seniors and athletes with the bogus Energy Patch, and now

has a whole new clientele.

> >

> > I am not a seller of any kind other than reporting what I have

> experienced.

> > Maybe the energy patches were debunked (haven't researched yet

> though) but

> > my son and I have had reactions to the GSH ones. First it was a

> suspected

> > detox reaction that didn't feel good (we turned white,

nauseous,

> fever), now

> > it seems to have turned into positive results. I get a skin

> reaction from

> > wearing a whole patch so I wore ½ a patch last night (cut it

right

> in half

> > with scissors) and did not get the skin irritation maybe

because

> air was

> > allowed to get in and it was less of the substance. When I woke

up,

> I

> > immediately felt how soft my skin felt, even my callousy hands

were

> softer.

> > For my son with autism, he's calmer the day after he wears one

and

> he's

> > normally very hyper. speech has some subtle changes that could

> either be the

> > GFCF diet or these patches. I am thankful for the patches

because

> he can't

> > do IV glutathione because he would pull the IV out. He does

pull

> off the

> > patch as well but gets some time with it on. My DAN! didn't

> discredit these

> > but didn't support them either - I don't know if they use them

to

> know

> > either way. He just said be careful with the activated charcoal

> because it

> > will bind to everything and my son is about to start other

meds.

> The DAN!

> > does support glutathione and didn't seem surprised that it

would

> seem to be

> > working. Epsom salts recommended 1 or 2 times a week.

> >

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I want you to realize that I am new to this group, new to

biomedical treatments, and NOT using any patches by Lifewave so my understanding

in all of this is limited. Having said that, I am really upset by what is

going on here. I joined this group just a week ago, hoping to find help

and support and I have from many of you. For that I am grateful. I didn’t

expect to find attacks and negativity. I understand skepticism and I

understand each person having their opinion and their experiences. What I

don’t understand is the way this is being handled. It would be one

thing to ask questions and to ask for your questions or concerns to be

addressed but to personally question someone else’s integrity is going a

bit far. I realize we don’t personally know Sue so it is harder

through emails to get to know someone and to know what their intentions are but

what about giving someone the benefit of the doubt? Has she done anything

so horrible, dishonest, or devious to warrant this? I understand Sue is

representing Lifewave and therefore needs to know the company but SHE believes

in the company and their product and that is her choice just like it is your

choice to not use the patches if you don’t want to. She is not here holding

a gun to anyone’s head or forcing anyone to buy the patches and she is

not making any money off of them. How can you find fault in someone

sharing a product that worked for her and has obviously worked for others here

who isn’t getting paid to share this info with us? I own my own business

with Arbonne. Our products for everyday use such as our shampoos,

conditioners, and body washes are safe for our children. They are a safe

alternative for us. I am not claiming that they will recover

anyone. That isn’t their purpose. They are just another

choice for those who want one if they are looking to change all the products

they are using from ones with dyes, fragrances, chemicals and other problem

ingredients. If I sold them to you or anyone else here I would get paid a

commission for that. But because this is my job, does that mean I can’t

share that info here? If someone is looking for something I sell and I

know it is safe for their child to use, I can’t tell them because I would

get paid for it? Doesn’t Kirkman labs get paid when we buy their vitamins?

What about Nordic Naturals or Ojibwa tea? I think it is ridiculous to say

that we have to keep information to ourselves that might help these kids

because we are afraid that someone might not like it or might get angry if it

doesn’t help them. That isn’t the purpose of this group or at

least I didn’t think it was. I also understand that we don’t

want every Tom, Dick, or Harry coming here to peddle products especially when

all of us are already stretched so thin financially with these treatments but the

fact remains that I (and I’m sure others would agree) want to know

about EVERYTHING that is available that may help my son and then I will make a

decision whether I try it or not. That is MY decision to make and I have

a problem with someone making people feel like they can’t share all of

the products they use or know about because they may be attacked for doing so.

I have gone through cancer with my son and believe me I’ve

had people try to exploit him for their purposes. I understand being skeptical

and educated. I understand asking questions. If you have a problem

with Lifewave why don’t you contact them directly and ask them your

questions. I think ANY treatments coming through this board should be

looked into by the individual considering it for use. I think that there

is NO treatment from Lifewave or anywhere else no matter what the treatment is

that will work for every single person. But regardless of what

information you have found on this company the fact remains that Sue isn’t

the only one here saying it works. There are other people with no vested

interest saying it is helping. So it is doing something. I think

Sue’s heart is in the right place and I commend her and anyone else who has

found something that has helped themselves and others and you know what, if you’ve

found a way to legitimately help others and it provides you with some extra

income so you can continue to help heal your loved ones then kudos to you! I

have joined a few groups who talk about biomedical treatments and have seen

nothing like this anywhere but here. That really saddens me. I

appreciate all of the info I have gotten here and all the help you have given

me in the last week but I refuse to be part of a community that operates this

way. We have enough stress in our lives, the last thing we need is more

stress added by this kind of negativity. It is so counterproductive, it

isn’t accomplishing anything, it isn’t helping anyone, and it certainly

isn’t putting us any closer to protecting our children or recovering

them!

Buffy Krajewski

Arbonne International

Executive District Manager

Independent Consultant #16447105

www.nevergiveup.myarbonne.com

[Guest guest]

And, Buffy, if you WERE claiming that Arbonne was single-handedly

recovering children from autism (which you are not), like Sue and

Lifewave (which they ARE), I would be questioning your motives as

well. Because recovering a child from autism using body lotion is as

silly as saying my child recovered from autism with a bandaid.

I don't have any issues with people on here that are distributors for

Arbonne, or Shaklee, or Nordic Naturals, or Transfer Factor,

whatever. I don't care about that. No one else, except the

Lifewavers, are claiming kids are being recovered by using their

product exclusively and NOTHING else. Nobody else says that, because

it just ain't true.

You are new to biomed, so buyer beware. There are some of us that

have been around long enough to smell out a scam from a mile away. If

you find it SHOCKING that people would take advantage of the parents

of sick children, you are in for a rough, rough ride. People are not

always what you think they are.

Lifewave in particular has done this before, way before autism

biomedical treatments became as mainstream as they are now. This is a

company with a history of selling garbage and packaging it like any

silly gimmicky item you see on late night TV. They even had a product

out called a Hot Patch that got quietly yanked once people realized

this was the same patch as the others, only in different packaging.

I knew I would get posts about all the " negativity " on here - scams

are negative. Taking peoples money, saying kids are being recovered

from this product ALONE, deserves these types of questions being

addressed. Spare me the talk about " being negative " on support group

boards, and find me some real actual answers.

Wouldn't you care if this DID turn out to be a SCAM? Would that make

you mad?

What other groups discuss Lifewave and have numerous distributors

touting their magic? I would like to know. Maybe that's why you don't

see any of this scary " negativity " on any other boards.

If someone else knows info about some other random XYZ product, and

why it could be scam, and chooses to shut their mouth and not say

anything about it to other ASD parents who are spending thousands of

dollars a year on it, then shame on you. THAT is what these boards

are for.

It is frightening how many people don't want to research the origins

of this company, and are merely running on emotion, and not logic.

That's what they want.

Absolutely none of my earlier questions about the practices or

leadership of this company have been answered. Typical.

>

> I want you to realize that I am new to this group, new to biomedical

> treatments, and NOT using any patches by Lifewave so my

understanding in all

> of this is limited. Having said that, I am really upset by what is

going on

> here. I joined this group just a week ago, hoping to find help and

support

> and I have from many of you. For that I am grateful. I didn't

expect to

> find attacks and negativity. I understand skepticism and I

understand each

> person having their opinion and their experiences. What I don't

understand

> is the way this is being handled. It would be one thing to ask

questions

> and to ask for your questions or concerns to be addressed but to

personally

> question someone else's integrity is going a bit far. I realize we

don't

> personally know Sue so it is harder through emails to get to know

someone

> and to know what their intentions are but what about giving someone

the

> benefit of the doubt? Has she done anything so horrible,

dishonest, or

> devious to warrant this? I understand Sue is representing Lifewave

and

> therefore needs to know the company but SHE believes in the company

and

> their product and that is her choice just like it is your choice to

not use

> the patches if you don't want to. She is not here holding a gun to

anyone's

> head or forcing anyone to buy the patches and she is not making any

money

> off of them. How can you find fault in someone sharing a product

that

> worked for her and has obviously worked for others here who isn't

getting

> paid to share this info with us? I own my own business with

Arbonne. Our

> products for everyday use such as our shampoos, conditioners, and

body

> washes are safe for our children. They are a safe alternative for

us. I am

> not claiming that they will recover anyone. That isn't their

purpose. They

> are just another choice for those who want one if they are looking

to change

> all the products they are using from ones with dyes, fragrances,

chemicals

> and other problem ingredients. If I sold them to you or anyone

else here I

> would get paid a commission for that. But because this is my job,

does that

> mean I can't share that info here? If someone is looking for

something I

> sell and I know it is safe for their child to use, I can't tell

them because

> I would get paid for it? Doesn't Kirkman labs get paid when we buy

their

> vitamins? What about Nordic Naturals or Ojibwa tea? I think it is

> ridiculous to say that we have to keep information to ourselves

that might

> help these kids because we are afraid that someone might not like

it or

> might get angry if it doesn't help them. That isn't the purpose of

this

> group or at least I didn't think it was. I also understand that we

don't

> want every Tom, Dick, or Harry coming here to peddle products

especially

> when all of us are already stretched so thin financially with these

> treatments but the fact remains that I (and I'm sure others would

agree)

> want to know about EVERYTHING that is available that may help my

son and

> then I will make a decision whether I try it or not. That is MY

decision to

> make and I have a problem with someone making people feel like they

can't

> share all of the products they use or know about because they may be

> attacked for doing so.

>

> I have gone through cancer with my son and believe me I've had

people try to

> exploit him for their purposes. I understand being skeptical and

educated.

> I understand asking questions. If you have a problem with Lifewave

why

> don't you contact them directly and ask them your questions. I

think ANY

> treatments coming through this board should be looked into by the

individual

> considering it for use. I think that there is NO treatment from

Lifewave or

> anywhere else no matter what the treatment is that will work for

every

> single person. But regardless of what information you have found

on this

> company the fact remains that Sue isn't the only one here saying it

works.

> There are other people with no vested interest saying it is

helping. So it

> is doing something. I think Sue's heart is in the right place and

I commend

> her and anyone else who has found something that has helped

themselves and

> others and you know what, if you've found a way to legitimately

help others

> and it provides you with some extra income so you can continue to

help heal

> your loved ones then kudos to you! I have joined a few groups who

talk

> about biomedical treatments and have seen nothing like this

anywhere but

> here. That really saddens me. I appreciate all of the info I have

gotten

> here and all the help you have given me in the last week but I

refuse to be

> part of a community that operates this way. We have enough stress

in our

> lives, the last thing we need is more stress added by this kind of

> negativity. It is so counterproductive, it isn't accomplishing

anything, it

> isn't helping anyone, and it certainly isn't putting us any closer

to

> protecting our children or recovering them!

>

>

>

> Buffy Krajewski

>

> Arbonne International

>

> Executive District Manager

> Independent Consultant #16447105

>

> <http://www.nevergiveup.myarbonne.com>

www.nevergiveup.myarbonne.com

>

[Guest guest]

I didn't get an answer about why you thought this substance was " a

sugar " .

> >

> > I want you to realize that I am new to this group, new to

biomedical

> > treatments, and NOT using any patches by Lifewave so my

> understanding in all

> > of this is limited. Having said that, I am really upset by what

is

> going on

> > here. I joined this group just a week ago, hoping to find help

and

> support

> > and I have from many of you. For that I am grateful. I didn't

> expect to

> > find attacks and negativity. I understand skepticism and I

> understand each

> > person having their opinion and their experiences. What I don't

> understand

> > is the way this is being handled. It would be one thing to ask

> questions

> > and to ask for your questions or concerns to be addressed but to

> personally

> > question someone else's integrity is going a bit far. I realize

we

> don't

> > personally know Sue so it is harder through emails to get to know

> someone

> > and to know what their intentions are but what about giving

someone

> the

> > benefit of the doubt? Has she done anything so horrible,

> dishonest, or

> > devious to warrant this? I understand Sue is representing

Lifewave

> and

> > therefore needs to know the company but SHE believes in the

company

> and

> > their product and that is her choice just like it is your choice

to

> not use

> > the patches if you don't want to. She is not here holding a gun

to

> anyone's

> > head or forcing anyone to buy the patches and she is not making

any

> money

> > off of them. How can you find fault in someone sharing a product

> that

> > worked for her and has obviously worked for others here who isn't

> getting

> > paid to share this info with us? I own my own business with

> Arbonne. Our

> > products for everyday use such as our shampoos, conditioners, and

> body

> > washes are safe for our children. They are a safe alternative

for

> us. I am

> > not claiming that they will recover anyone. That isn't their

> purpose. They

> > are just another choice for those who want one if they are

looking

> to change

> > all the products they are using from ones with dyes, fragrances,

> chemicals

> > and other problem ingredients. If I sold them to you or anyone

> else here I

> > would get paid a commission for that. But because this is my job,

> does that

> > mean I can't share that info here? If someone is looking for

> something I

> > sell and I know it is safe for their child to use, I can't tell

> them because

> > I would get paid for it? Doesn't Kirkman labs get paid when we

buy

> their

> > vitamins? What about Nordic Naturals or Ojibwa tea? I think it

is

> > ridiculous to say that we have to keep information to ourselves

> that might

> > help these kids because we are afraid that someone might not like

> it or

> > might get angry if it doesn't help them. That isn't the purpose

of

> this

> > group or at least I didn't think it was. I also understand that

we

> don't

> > want every Tom, Dick, or Harry coming here to peddle products

> especially

> > when all of us are already stretched so thin financially with

these

> > treatments but the fact remains that I (and I'm sure others

would

> agree)

> > want to know about EVERYTHING that is available that may help my

> son and

> > then I will make a decision whether I try it or not. That is MY

> decision to

> > make and I have a problem with someone making people feel like

they

> can't

> > share all of the products they use or know about because they may

be

> > attacked for doing so.

> >

> > I have gone through cancer with my son and believe me I've had

> people try to

> > exploit him for their purposes. I understand being skeptical and

> educated.

> > I understand asking questions. If you have a problem with

Lifewave

> why

> > don't you contact them directly and ask them your questions. I

> think ANY

> > treatments coming through this board should be looked into by the

> individual

> > considering it for use. I think that there is NO treatment from

> Lifewave or

> > anywhere else no matter what the treatment is that will work for

> every

> > single person. But regardless of what information you have found

> on this

> > company the fact remains that Sue isn't the only one here saying

it

> works.

> > There are other people with no vested interest saying it is

> helping. So it

> > is doing something. I think Sue's heart is in the right place

and

> I commend

> > her and anyone else who has found something that has helped

> themselves and

> > others and you know what, if you've found a way to legitimately

> help others

> > and it provides you with some extra income so you can continue to

> help heal

> > your loved ones then kudos to you! I have joined a few groups

who

> talk

> > about biomedical treatments and have seen nothing like this

> anywhere but

> > here. That really saddens me. I appreciate all of the info I

have

> gotten

> > here and all the help you have given me in the last week but I

> refuse to be

> > part of a community that operates this way. We have enough

stress

> in our

> > lives, the last thing we need is more stress added by this kind of

> > negativity. It is so counterproductive, it isn't accomplishing

> anything, it

> > isn't helping anyone, and it certainly isn't putting us any

closer

> to

> > protecting our children or recovering them!

> >

> >

> >

> > Buffy Krajewski

> >

> > Arbonne International

> >

> > Executive District Manager

> > Independent Consultant #16447105

> >

> > <http://www.nevergiveup.myarbonne.com>

> www.nevergiveup.myarbonne.com

> >

>

[Guest guest]

, please explain what 'recovered' means.. Sue has never said a

child has recovered, my son is NOT recovered, but has improved

enormously using Lifewave products, that life is ALOT easier now,..

Dont twist words.. and if your not interested in this type of

therapy.. look elsewhere.. if i'm not interested in HBOT at this

time.. i dont read the posts.. SIMPLE!

> >

> > I want you to realize that I am new to this group, new to

biomedical

> > treatments, and NOT using any patches by Lifewave so my

> understanding in all

> > of this is limited. Having said that, I am really upset by what

is

> going on

> > here. I joined this group just a week ago, hoping to find help

and

> support

> > and I have from many of you. For that I am grateful. I didn't

> expect to

> > find attacks and negativity. I understand skepticism and I

> understand each

> > person having their opinion and their experiences. What I don't

> understand

> > is the way this is being handled. It would be one thing to ask

> questions

> > and to ask for your questions or concerns to be addressed but to

> personally

> > question someone else's integrity is going a bit far. I realize

we

> don't

> > personally know Sue so it is harder through emails to get to know

> someone

> > and to know what their intentions are but what about giving

someone

> the

> > benefit of the doubt? Has she done anything so horrible,

> dishonest, or

> > devious to warrant this? I understand Sue is representing

Lifewave

> and

> > therefore needs to know the company but SHE believes in the

company

> and

> > their product and that is her choice just like it is your choice

to

> not use

> > the patches if you don't want to. She is not here holding a gun

to

> anyone's

> > head or forcing anyone to buy the patches and she is not making

any

> money

> > off of them. How can you find fault in someone sharing a product

> that

> > worked for her and has obviously worked for others here who isn't

> getting

> > paid to share this info with us? I own my own business with

> Arbonne. Our

> > products for everyday use such as our shampoos, conditioners, and

> body

> > washes are safe for our children. They are a safe alternative

for

> us. I am

> > not claiming that they will recover anyone. That isn't their

> purpose. They

> > are just another choice for those who want one if they are

looking

> to change

> > all the products they are using from ones with dyes, fragrances,

> chemicals

> > and other problem ingredients. If I sold them to you or anyone

> else here I

> > would get paid a commission for that. But because this is my job,

> does that

> > mean I can't share that info here? If someone is looking for

> something I

> > sell and I know it is safe for their child to use, I can't tell

> them because

> > I would get paid for it? Doesn't Kirkman labs get paid when we

buy

> their

> > vitamins? What about Nordic Naturals or Ojibwa tea? I think it

is

> > ridiculous to say that we have to keep information to ourselves

> that might

> > help these kids because we are afraid that someone might not like

> it or

> > might get angry if it doesn't help them. That isn't the purpose

of

> this

> > group or at least I didn't think it was. I also understand that

we

> don't

> > want every Tom, Dick, or Harry coming here to peddle products

> especially

> > when all of us are already stretched so thin financially with

these

> > treatments but the fact remains that I (and I'm sure others

would

> agree)

> > want to know about EVERYTHING that is available that may help my

> son and

> > then I will make a decision whether I try it or not. That is MY

> decision to

> > make and I have a problem with someone making people feel like

they

> can't

> > share all of the products they use or know about because they may

be

> > attacked for doing so.

> >

> > I have gone through cancer with my son and believe me I've had

> people try to

> > exploit him for their purposes. I understand being skeptical and

> educated.

> > I understand asking questions. If you have a problem with

Lifewave

> why

> > don't you contact them directly and ask them your questions. I

> think ANY

> > treatments coming through this board should be looked into by the

> individual

> > considering it for use. I think that there is NO treatment from

> Lifewave or

> > anywhere else no matter what the treatment is that will work for

> every

> > single person. But regardless of what information you have found

> on this

> > company the fact remains that Sue isn't the only one here saying

it

> works.

> > There are other people with no vested interest saying it is

> helping. So it

> > is doing something. I think Sue's heart is in the right place

and

> I commend

> > her and anyone else who has found something that has helped

> themselves and

> > others and you know what, if you've found a way to legitimately

> help others

> > and it provides you with some extra income so you can continue to

> help heal

> > your loved ones then kudos to you! I have joined a few groups

who

> talk

> > about biomedical treatments and have seen nothing like this

> anywhere but

> > here. That really saddens me. I appreciate all of the info I

have

> gotten

> > here and all the help you have given me in the last week but I

> refuse to be

> > part of a community that operates this way. We have enough

stress

> in our

> > lives, the last thing we need is more stress added by this kind of

> > negativity. It is so counterproductive, it isn't accomplishing

> anything, it

> > isn't helping anyone, and it certainly isn't putting us any

closer

> to

> > protecting our children or recovering them!

> >

> >

> >

> > Buffy Krajewski

> >

> > Arbonne International

> >

> > Executive District Manager

> > Independent Consultant #16447105

> >

> > <http://www.nevergiveup.myarbonne.com>

> www.nevergiveup.myarbonne.com

> >

>

[Guest guest]

" It is frightening how many people don't want to research the origins

of this company, and are merely running on emotion, and not logic. "

from your last post...

- it appears that YOU are the one " running on emotion " . From

the other posters I've seen saying that they are seeing improvements

(including myself) I would say noone appears very emotional. We are

all just giving our feedback.

As this poster says, if you're not interested please just ignore any

post on this. We are all adults here. People can judge for

themselves if this is a scam.

-- In mb12 valtrex , " jackben14 " wrote:

>

> , please explain what 'recovered' means.. Sue has never said

a

> child has recovered, my son is NOT recovered, but has improved

> enormously using Lifewave products, that life is ALOT easier now,..

> Dont twist words.. and if your not interested in this type of

> therapy.. look elsewhere.. if i'm not interested in HBOT at this

> time.. i dont read the posts.. SIMPLE!

>

>

>

> > >

> > > I want you to realize that I am new to this group, new to

> biomedical

> > > treatments, and NOT using any patches by Lifewave so my

> > understanding in all

> > > of this is limited. Having said that, I am really upset by

what

> is

> > going on

> > > here. I joined this group just a week ago, hoping to find help

> and

> > support

> > > and I have from many of you. For that I am grateful. I didn't

> > expect to

> > > find attacks and negativity. I understand skepticism and I

> > understand each

> > > person having their opinion and their experiences. What I

don't

> > understand

> > > is the way this is being handled. It would be one thing to ask

> > questions

> > > and to ask for your questions or concerns to be addressed but

to

> > personally

> > > question someone else's integrity is going a bit far. I

realize

> we

> > don't

> > > personally know Sue so it is harder through emails to get to

know

> > someone

> > > and to know what their intentions are but what about giving

> someone

> > the

> > > benefit of the doubt? Has she done anything so horrible,

> > dishonest, or

> > > devious to warrant this? I understand Sue is representing

> Lifewave

> > and

> > > therefore needs to know the company but SHE believes in the

> company

> > and

> > > their product and that is her choice just like it is your

choice

> to

> > not use

> > > the patches if you don't want to. She is not here holding a gun

> to

> > anyone's

> > > head or forcing anyone to buy the patches and she is not making

> any

> > money

> > > off of them. How can you find fault in someone sharing a

product

> > that

> > > worked for her and has obviously worked for others here who

isn't

> > getting

> > > paid to share this info with us? I own my own business with

> > Arbonne. Our

> > > products for everyday use such as our shampoos, conditioners,

and

> > body

> > > washes are safe for our children. They are a safe alternative

> for

> > us. I am

> > > not claiming that they will recover anyone. That isn't their

> > purpose. They

> > > are just another choice for those who want one if they are

> looking

> > to change

> > > all the products they are using from ones with dyes,

fragrances,

> > chemicals

> > > and other problem ingredients. If I sold them to you or anyone

> > else here I

> > > would get paid a commission for that. But because this is my

job,

> > does that

> > > mean I can't share that info here? If someone is looking for

> > something I

> > > sell and I know it is safe for their child to use, I can't tell

> > them because

> > > I would get paid for it? Doesn't Kirkman labs get paid when we

> buy

> > their

> > > vitamins? What about Nordic Naturals or Ojibwa tea? I think

it

> is

> > > ridiculous to say that we have to keep information to ourselves

> > that might

> > > help these kids because we are afraid that someone might not

like

> > it or

> > > might get angry if it doesn't help them. That isn't the

purpose

> of

> > this

> > > group or at least I didn't think it was. I also understand

that

> we

> > don't

> > > want every Tom, Dick, or Harry coming here to peddle products

> > especially

> > > when all of us are already stretched so thin financially with

> these

> > > treatments but the fact remains that I (and I'm sure others

> would

> > agree)

> > > want to know about EVERYTHING that is available that may help

my

> > son and

> > > then I will make a decision whether I try it or not. That is

MY

> > decision to

> > > make and I have a problem with someone making people feel like

> they

> > can't

> > > share all of the products they use or know about because they

may

> be

> > > attacked for doing so.

> > >

> > > I have gone through cancer with my son and believe me I've had

> > people try to

> > > exploit him for their purposes. I understand being skeptical

and

> > educated.

> > > I understand asking questions. If you have a problem with

> Lifewave

> > why

> > > don't you contact them directly and ask them your questions. I

> > think ANY

> > > treatments coming through this board should be looked into by

the

> > individual

> > > considering it for use. I think that there is NO treatment

from

> > Lifewave or

> > > anywhere else no matter what the treatment is that will work

for

> > every

> > > single person. But regardless of what information you have

found

> > on this

> > > company the fact remains that Sue isn't the only one here

saying

> it

> > works.

> > > There are other people with no vested interest saying it is

> > helping. So it

> > > is doing something. I think Sue's heart is in the right place

> and

> > I commend

> > > her and anyone else who has found something that has helped

> > themselves and

> > > others and you know what, if you've found a way to legitimately

> > help others

> > > and it provides you with some extra income so you can continue

to

> > help heal

> > > your loved ones then kudos to you! I have joined a few groups

> who

> > talk

> > > about biomedical treatments and have seen nothing like this

> > anywhere but

> > > here. That really saddens me. I appreciate all of the info I

> have

> > gotten

> > > here and all the help you have given me in the last week but I

> > refuse to be

> > > part of a community that operates this way. We have enough

> stress

> > in our

> > > lives, the last thing we need is more stress added by this kind

of

> > > negativity. It is so counterproductive, it isn't accomplishing

> > anything, it

> > > isn't helping anyone, and it certainly isn't putting us any

> closer

> > to

> > > protecting our children or recovering them!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Buffy Krajewski

> > >

> > > Arbonne International

> > >

> > > Executive District Manager

> > > Independent Consultant #16447105

> > >

> > > <http://www.nevergiveup.myarbonne.com>

> > www.nevergiveup.myarbonne.com

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Whoops, ! You posted too soon!

Check out her posts on , the autistic child supposedly

recovered from LW patches. She IS saying a child recovered SOLELY

from using LW patches, which she wrote me in a form-letter private

email. Her private emails and posts are identical, she apparently has

a file she cuts/copies/pastes from.

Does that make a difference NOW that she is making these miraculous

claims about TOTAL recoveries with patches, and why/why not? Does it

sound bogus now? That facinates me.

I am not twisting her words, read her posts before you comment to me.

> > >

> > > I want you to realize that I am new to this group, new to

> biomedical

> > > treatments, and NOT using any patches by Lifewave so my

> > understanding in all

> > > of this is limited. Having said that, I am really upset by

what

> is

> > going on

> > > here. I joined this group just a week ago, hoping to find help

> and

> > support

> > > and I have from many of you. For that I am grateful. I didn't

> > expect to

> > > find attacks and negativity. I understand skepticism and I

> > understand each

> > > person having their opinion and their experiences. What I

don't

> > understand

> > > is the way this is being handled. It would be one thing to ask

> > questions

> > > and to ask for your questions or concerns to be addressed but

to

> > personally

> > > question someone else's integrity is going a bit far. I

realize

> we

> > don't

> > > personally know Sue so it is harder through emails to get to

know

> > someone

> > > and to know what their intentions are but what about giving

> someone

> > the

> > > benefit of the doubt? Has she done anything so horrible,

> > dishonest, or

> > > devious to warrant this? I understand Sue is representing

> Lifewave

> > and

> > > therefore needs to know the company but SHE believes in the

> company

> > and

> > > their product and that is her choice just like it is your

choice

> to

> > not use

> > > the patches if you don't want to. She is not here holding a gun

> to

> > anyone's

> > > head or forcing anyone to buy the patches and she is not making

> any

> > money

> > > off of them. How can you find fault in someone sharing a

product

> > that

> > > worked for her and has obviously worked for others here who

isn't

> > getting

> > > paid to share this info with us? I own my own business with

> > Arbonne. Our

> > > products for everyday use such as our shampoos, conditioners,

and

> > body

> > > washes are safe for our children. They are a safe alternative

> for

> > us. I am

> > > not claiming that they will recover anyone. That isn't their

> > purpose. They

> > > are just another choice for those who want one if they are

> looking

> > to change

> > > all the products they are using from ones with dyes,

fragrances,

> > chemicals

> > > and other problem ingredients. If I sold them to you or anyone

> > else here I

> > > would get paid a commission for that. But because this is my

job,

> > does that

> > > mean I can't share that info here? If someone is looking for

> > something I

> > > sell and I know it is safe for their child to use, I can't tell

> > them because

> > > I would get paid for it? Doesn't Kirkman labs get paid when we

> buy

> > their

> > > vitamins? What about Nordic Naturals or Ojibwa tea? I think

it

> is

> > > ridiculous to say that we have to keep information to ourselves

> > that might

> > > help these kids because we are afraid that someone might not

like

> > it or

> > > might get angry if it doesn't help them. That isn't the

purpose

> of

> > this

> > > group or at least I didn't think it was. I also understand

that

> we

> > don't

> > > want every Tom, Dick, or Harry coming here to peddle products

> > especially

> > > when all of us are already stretched so thin financially with

> these

> > > treatments but the fact remains that I (and I'm sure others

> would

> > agree)

> > > want to know about EVERYTHING that is available that may help

my

> > son and

> > > then I will make a decision whether I try it or not. That is

MY

> > decision to

> > > make and I have a problem with someone making people feel like

> they

> > can't

> > > share all of the products they use or know about because they

may

> be

> > > attacked for doing so.

> > >

> > > I have gone through cancer with my son and believe me I've had

> > people try to

> > > exploit him for their purposes. I understand being skeptical

and

> > educated.

> > > I understand asking questions. If you have a problem with

> Lifewave

> > why

> > > don't you contact them directly and ask them your questions. I

> > think ANY

> > > treatments coming through this board should be looked into by

the

> > individual

> > > considering it for use. I think that there is NO treatment

from

> > Lifewave or

> > > anywhere else no matter what the treatment is that will work

for

> > every

> > > single person. But regardless of what information you have

found

> > on this

> > > company the fact remains that Sue isn't the only one here

saying

> it

> > works.

> > > There are other people with no vested interest saying it is

> > helping. So it

> > > is doing something. I think Sue's heart is in the right place

> and

> > I commend

> > > her and anyone else who has found something that has helped

> > themselves and

> > > others and you know what, if you've found a way to legitimately

> > help others

> > > and it provides you with some extra income so you can continue

to

> > help heal

> > > your loved ones then kudos to you! I have joined a few groups

> who

> > talk

> > > about biomedical treatments and have seen nothing like this

> > anywhere but

> > > here. That really saddens me. I appreciate all of the info I

> have

> > gotten

> > > here and all the help you have given me in the last week but I

> > refuse to be

> > > part of a community that operates this way. We have enough

> stress

> > in our

> > > lives, the last thing we need is more stress added by this kind

of

> > > negativity. It is so counterproductive, it isn't accomplishing

> > anything, it

> > > isn't helping anyone, and it certainly isn't putting us any

> closer

> > to

> > > protecting our children or recovering them!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Buffy Krajewski

> > >

> > > Arbonne International

> > >

> > > Executive District Manager

> > > Independent Consultant #16447105

> > >

> > > <http://www.nevergiveup.myarbonne.com>

> > www.nevergiveup.myarbonne.com

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

----- Original Message -----

From: Fithen

No one else, except the Lifewavers, are claiming kids are being recovered by using their product exclusively and NOTHING else. Nobody else says that, because it just ain't true.

===>Yes, stating that a glutathione patch can in any universe, ours or alternative, totally cure Autism.....is irresponsible to say the least. I also have a problem with companies that make claims and cannot back them up (NCD anyone?)It is frightening how many people don't want to research the origins of this company, and are merely running on emotion, and not logic. That's what they want.

===>Relying on emotional response is the mainstay selling technique of the MLM companies.Absolutely none of my earlier questions about the practices or leadership of this company have been answered. Typical.

===>This shouldn't be allowed. I agree with being civil, which I think everyone has been, but salespeople have a responsibility to answer the questions posed to them, or stop making the claims. And no pseudoscience or promise of studies that never seem to materialize.

I agree, , I think there should be a special place in Hell for these companies that prey on the desperation of parents with sick children, particularly the ones that continue to make false claims knowingly, shameful.

If the vitamin industry is ever forced to become regulated, it will be for the reason these companies give the government.

>> I want you to realize that I am new to this group, new to biomedical> treatments, and NOT using any patches by Lifewave so my understanding in all> of this is limited. Having said that, I am really upset by what is going on> here. I joined this group just a week ago, hoping to find help and support> and I have from many of you. For that I am grateful. I didn't expect to> find attacks and negativity. I understand skepticism and I understand each> person having their opinion and their experiences. What I don't understand> is the way this is being handled. It would be one thing to ask questions> and to ask for your questions or concerns to be addressed but to personally> question someone else's integrity is going a bit far. I realize we don't> personally know Sue so it is harder through emails to get to know someone> and to know what their intentions are but what about giving someone the> benefit of the doubt? Has she done anything so horrible, dishonest, or> devious to warrant this? I understand Sue is representing Lifewave and> therefore needs to know the company but SHE believes in the company and> their product and that is her choice just like it is your choice to not use> the patches if you don't want to. She is not here holding a gun to anyone's> head or forcing anyone to buy the patches and she is not making any money> off of them. How can you find fault in someone sharing a product that> worked for her and has obviously worked for others here who isn't getting> paid to share this info with us? I own my own business with Arbonne. Our> products for everyday use such as our shampoos, conditioners, and body> washes are safe for our children. They are a safe alternative for us. I am> not claiming that they will recover anyone. That isn't their purpose. They> are just another choice for those who want one if they are looking to change> all the products they are using from ones with dyes, fragrances, chemicals> and other problem ingredients. If I sold them to you or anyone else here I> would get paid a commission for that. But because this is my job, does that> mean I can't share that info here? If someone is looking for something I> sell and I know it is safe for their child to use, I can't tell them because> I would get paid for it? Doesn't Kirkman labs get paid when we buy their> vitamins? What about Nordic Naturals or Ojibwa tea? I think it is> ridiculous to say that we have to keep information to ourselves that might> help these kids because we are afraid that someone might not like it or> might get angry if it doesn't help them. That isn't the purpose of this> group or at least I didn't think it was. I also understand that we don't> want every Tom, Dick, or Harry coming here to peddle products especially> when all of us are already stretched so thin financially with these> treatments but the fact remains that I (and I'm sure others would agree)> want to know about EVERYTHING that is available that may help my son and> then I will make a decision whether I try it or not. That is MY decision to> make and I have a problem with someone making people feel like they can't> share all of the products they use or know about because they may be> attacked for doing so.> > I have gone through cancer with my son and believe me I've had people try to> exploit him for their purposes. I understand being skeptical and educated.> I understand asking questions. If you have a problem with Lifewave why> don't you contact them directly and ask them your questions. I think ANY> treatments coming through this board should be looked into by the individual> considering it for use. I think that there is NO treatment from Lifewave or> anywhere else no matter what the treatment is that will work for every> single person. But regardless of what information you have found on this> company the fact remains that Sue isn't the only one here saying it works.> There are other people with no vested interest saying it is helping. So it> is doing something. I think Sue's heart is in the right place and I commend> her and anyone else who has found something that has helped themselves and> others and you know what, if you've found a way to legitimately help others> and it provides you with some extra income so you can continue to help heal> your loved ones then kudos to you! I have joined a few groups who talk> about biomedical treatments and have seen nothing like this anywhere but> here. That really saddens me. I appreciate all of the info I have gotten> here and all the help you have given me in the last week but I refuse to be> part of a community that operates this way. We have enough stress in our> lives, the last thing we need is more stress added by this kind of> negativity. It is so counterproductive, it isn't accomplishing anything, it> isn't helping anyone, and it certainly isn't putting us any closer to> protecting our children or recovering them!> > > > Buffy Krajewski> > Arbonne International > > Executive District Manager> Independent Consultant #16447105> > <http://www.nevergiveup.myarbonne.com> www.nevergiveup.myarbonne.com>

[Guest guest]

Look... in any protocol has NOGUARANTIES!!! ... there are kids that respond and some that don't!!! With Valtrex, MB12, YASCO, DAN, so the patches are just an other option here... it is not a Cult!!! But the few children that have recovered... would have never gotten better if they had not tried it!!! Beause someone has negative comments about it all!!! Like the people that say that BIOMED is a voodoo and a waste of time... but I believe I want to keep my hope and not be bitter about not trying it all!!! Even if it meant a 30% chance of hope!!! I will take it...and hope for the best... if mychild did not respond, then at least I will not regret not giving it a shot, and always wonder, WHAT IF?!!!

Love, Gabby. :0)

http://stemcellforautism.blogspot.com/

"I know of nobody who is purely Autistic or purely neurotypical. Even God had some Autistic moments, which is why the planets all spin." ~ Jerry Newport

[Guest guest]

Uh, okay.

Once again, answer my serious questions about the leadership (the

inventor with no scientific/medical background or experience in any

field whatsoever) and marketing practices of this company.

That's the LOGIC part of this scam people don't want to hear about.

The EMOTION part of it is wanting to recover a child so badly, like

we ALL do, you can't see past the gimmick.

> > > >

> > > > I want you to realize that I am new to this group, new to

> > biomedical

> > > > treatments, and NOT using any patches by Lifewave so my

> > > understanding in all

> > > > of this is limited. Having said that, I am really upset by

> what

> > is

> > > going on

> > > > here. I joined this group just a week ago, hoping to find

help

> > and

> > > support

> > > > and I have from many of you. For that I am grateful. I

didn't

> > > expect to

> > > > find attacks and negativity. I understand skepticism and I

> > > understand each

> > > > person having their opinion and their experiences. What I

> don't

> > > understand

> > > > is the way this is being handled. It would be one thing to

ask

> > > questions

> > > > and to ask for your questions or concerns to be addressed

but

> to

> > > personally

> > > > question someone else's integrity is going a bit far. I

> realize

> > we

> > > don't

> > > > personally know Sue so it is harder through emails to get to

> know

> > > someone

> > > > and to know what their intentions are but what about giving

> > someone

> > > the

> > > > benefit of the doubt? Has she done anything so horrible,

> > > dishonest, or

> > > > devious to warrant this? I understand Sue is representing

> > Lifewave

> > > and

> > > > therefore needs to know the company but SHE believes in the

> > company

> > > and

> > > > their product and that is her choice just like it is your

> choice

> > to

> > > not use

> > > > the patches if you don't want to. She is not here holding a

gun

> > to

> > > anyone's

> > > > head or forcing anyone to buy the patches and she is not

making

> > any

> > > money

> > > > off of them. How can you find fault in someone sharing a

> product

> > > that

> > > > worked for her and has obviously worked for others here who

> isn't

> > > getting

> > > > paid to share this info with us? I own my own business with

> > > Arbonne. Our

> > > > products for everyday use such as our shampoos, conditioners,

> and

> > > body

> > > > washes are safe for our children. They are a safe

alternative

> > for

> > > us. I am

> > > > not claiming that they will recover anyone. That isn't their

> > > purpose. They

> > > > are just another choice for those who want one if they are

> > looking

> > > to change

> > > > all the products they are using from ones with dyes,

> fragrances,

> > > chemicals

> > > > and other problem ingredients. If I sold them to you or

anyone

> > > else here I

> > > > would get paid a commission for that. But because this is my

> job,

> > > does that

> > > > mean I can't share that info here? If someone is looking for

> > > something I

> > > > sell and I know it is safe for their child to use, I can't

tell

> > > them because

> > > > I would get paid for it? Doesn't Kirkman labs get paid when

we

> > buy

> > > their

> > > > vitamins? What about Nordic Naturals or Ojibwa tea? I think

> it

> > is

> > > > ridiculous to say that we have to keep information to

ourselves

> > > that might

> > > > help these kids because we are afraid that someone might not

> like

> > > it or

> > > > might get angry if it doesn't help them. That isn't the

> purpose

> > of

> > > this

> > > > group or at least I didn't think it was. I also understand

> that

> > we

> > > don't

> > > > want every Tom, Dick, or Harry coming here to peddle products

> > > especially

> > > > when all of us are already stretched so thin financially with

> > these

> > > > treatments but the fact remains that I (and I'm sure others

> > would

> > > agree)

> > > > want to know about EVERYTHING that is available that may help

> my

> > > son and

> > > > then I will make a decision whether I try it or not. That is

> MY

> > > decision to

> > > > make and I have a problem with someone making people feel

like

> > they

> > > can't

> > > > share all of the products they use or know about because they

> may

> > be

> > > > attacked for doing so.

> > > >

> > > > I have gone through cancer with my son and believe me I've

had

> > > people try to

> > > > exploit him for their purposes. I understand being skeptical

> and

> > > educated.

> > > > I understand asking questions. If you have a problem with

> > Lifewave

> > > why

> > > > don't you contact them directly and ask them your questions.

I

> > > think ANY

> > > > treatments coming through this board should be looked into by

> the

> > > individual

> > > > considering it for use. I think that there is NO treatment

> from

> > > Lifewave or

> > > > anywhere else no matter what the treatment is that will work

> for

> > > every

> > > > single person. But regardless of what information you have

> found

> > > on this

> > > > company the fact remains that Sue isn't the only one here

> saying

> > it

> > > works.

> > > > There are other people with no vested interest saying it is

> > > helping. So it

> > > > is doing something. I think Sue's heart is in the right

place

> > and

> > > I commend

> > > > her and anyone else who has found something that has helped

> > > themselves and

> > > > others and you know what, if you've found a way to

legitimately

> > > help others

> > > > and it provides you with some extra income so you can

continue

> to

> > > help heal

> > > > your loved ones then kudos to you! I have joined a few

groups

> > who

> > > talk

> > > > about biomedical treatments and have seen nothing like this

> > > anywhere but

> > > > here. That really saddens me. I appreciate all of the info

I

> > have

> > > gotten

> > > > here and all the help you have given me in the last week but

I

> > > refuse to be

> > > > part of a community that operates this way. We have enough

> > stress

> > > in our

> > > > lives, the last thing we need is more stress added by this

kind

> of

> > > > negativity. It is so counterproductive, it isn't

accomplishing

> > > anything, it

> > > > isn't helping anyone, and it certainly isn't putting us any

> > closer

> > > to

> > > > protecting our children or recovering them!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Buffy Krajewski

> > > >

> > > > Arbonne International

> > > >

> > > > Executive District Manager

> > > > Independent Consultant #16447105

> > > >

> > > > <http://www.nevergiveup.myarbonne.com>

> > > www.nevergiveup.myarbonne.com

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

, have you tried them yet?

> > > >

> > > > I want you to realize that I am new to this group, new to

> > biomedical

> > > > treatments, and NOT using any patches by Lifewave so my

> > > understanding in all

> > > > of this is limited. Having said that, I am really upset by

> what

> > is

> > > going on

> > > > here. I joined this group just a week ago, hoping to find

help

> > and

> > > support

> > > > and I have from many of you. For that I am grateful. I

didn't

> > > expect to

> > > > find attacks and negativity. I understand skepticism and I

> > > understand each

> > > > person having their opinion and their experiences. What I

> don't

> > > understand

> > > > is the way this is being handled. It would be one thing to

ask

> > > questions

> > > > and to ask for your questions or concerns to be addressed

but

> to

> > > personally

> > > > question someone else's integrity is going a bit far. I

> realize

> > we

> > > don't

> > > > personally know Sue so it is harder through emails to get to

> know

> > > someone

> > > > and to know what their intentions are but what about giving

> > someone

> > > the

> > > > benefit of the doubt? Has she done anything so horrible,

> > > dishonest, or

> > > > devious to warrant this? I understand Sue is representing

> > Lifewave

> > > and

> > > > therefore needs to know the company but SHE believes in the

> > company

> > > and

> > > > their product and that is her choice just like it is your

> choice

> > to

> > > not use

> > > > the patches if you don't want to. She is not here holding a

gun

> > to

> > > anyone's

> > > > head or forcing anyone to buy the patches and she is not

making

> > any

> > > money

> > > > off of them. How can you find fault in someone sharing a

> product

> > > that

> > > > worked for her and has obviously worked for others here who

> isn't

> > > getting

> > > > paid to share this info with us? I own my own business with

> > > Arbonne. Our

> > > > products for everyday use such as our shampoos, conditioners,

> and

> > > body

> > > > washes are safe for our children. They are a safe

alternative

> > for

> > > us. I am

> > > > not claiming that they will recover anyone. That isn't their

> > > purpose. They

> > > > are just another choice for those who want one if they are

> > looking

> > > to change

> > > > all the products they are using from ones with dyes,

> fragrances,

> > > chemicals

> > > > and other problem ingredients. If I sold them to you or

anyone

> > > else here I

> > > > would get paid a commission for that. But because this is my

> job,

> > > does that

> > > > mean I can't share that info here? If someone is looking for

> > > something I

> > > > sell and I know it is safe for their child to use, I can't

tell

> > > them because

> > > > I would get paid for it? Doesn't Kirkman labs get paid when

we

> > buy

> > > their

> > > > vitamins? What about Nordic Naturals or Ojibwa tea? I think

> it

> > is

> > > > ridiculous to say that we have to keep information to

ourselves

> > > that might

> > > > help these kids because we are afraid that someone might not

> like

> > > it or

> > > > might get angry if it doesn't help them. That isn't the

> purpose

> > of

> > > this

> > > > group or at least I didn't think it was. I also understand

> that

> > we

> > > don't

> > > > want every Tom, Dick, or Harry coming here to peddle products

> > > especially

> > > > when all of us are already stretched so thin financially with

> > these

> > > > treatments but the fact remains that I (and I'm sure others

> > would

> > > agree)

> > > > want to know about EVERYTHING that is available that may help

> my

> > > son and

> > > > then I will make a decision whether I try it or not. That is

> MY

> > > decision to

> > > > make and I have a problem with someone making people feel

like

> > they

> > > can't

> > > > share all of the products they use or know about because they

> may

> > be

> > > > attacked for doing so.

> > > >

> > > > I have gone through cancer with my son and believe me I've

had

> > > people try to

> > > > exploit him for their purposes. I understand being skeptical

> and

> > > educated.

> > > > I understand asking questions. If you have a problem with

> > Lifewave

> > > why

> > > > don't you contact them directly and ask them your questions.

I

> > > think ANY

> > > > treatments coming through this board should be looked into by

> the

> > > individual

> > > > considering it for use. I think that there is NO treatment

> from

> > > Lifewave or

> > > > anywhere else no matter what the treatment is that will work

> for

> > > every

> > > > single person. But regardless of what information you have

> found

> > > on this

> > > > company the fact remains that Sue isn't the only one here

> saying

> > it

> > > works.

> > > > There are other people with no vested interest saying it is

> > > helping. So it

> > > > is doing something. I think Sue's heart is in the right

place

> > and

> > > I commend

> > > > her and anyone else who has found something that has helped

> > > themselves and

> > > > others and you know what, if you've found a way to

legitimately

> > > help others

> > > > and it provides you with some extra income so you can

continue

> to

> > > help heal

> > > > your loved ones then kudos to you! I have joined a few

groups

> > who

> > > talk

> > > > about biomedical treatments and have seen nothing like this

> > > anywhere but

> > > > here. That really saddens me. I appreciate all of the info

I

> > have

> > > gotten

> > > > here and all the help you have given me in the last week but

I

> > > refuse to be

> > > > part of a community that operates this way. We have enough

> > stress

> > > in our

> > > > lives, the last thing we need is more stress added by this

kind

> of

> > > > negativity. It is so counterproductive, it isn't

accomplishing

> > > anything, it

> > > > isn't helping anyone, and it certainly isn't putting us any

> > closer

> > > to

> > > > protecting our children or recovering them!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Buffy Krajewski

> > > >

> > > > Arbonne International

> > > >

> > > > Executive District Manager

> > > > Independent Consultant #16447105

> > > >

> > > > <http://www.nevergiveup.myarbonne.com>

> > > www.nevergiveup.myarbonne.com

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Fantastic approach, Christel. It is of far greater interest to me

than Dr. Haltiwager's study.

http://www.autismpedia.org/wiki/index.php?title=Treatments/Supplements/GSH/LW

> >

> > I am not a seller of any kind other than reporting what I have

> experienced.

> > Maybe the energy patches were debunked (haven't researched yet

> though) but

> > my son and I have had reactions to the GSH ones. First it was a

> suspected

> > detox reaction that didn't feel good (we turned white,

nauseous,

> fever), now

> > it seems to have turned into positive results. I get a skin

> reaction from

> > wearing a whole patch so I wore ½ a patch last night (cut it

right

> in half

> > with scissors) and did not get the skin irritation maybe

because

> air was

> > allowed to get in and it was less of the substance. When I woke

up,

> I

> > immediately felt how soft my skin felt, even my callousy hands

were

> softer.

> > For my son with autism, he's calmer the day after he wears one

and

> he's

> > normally very hyper. speech has some subtle changes that could

> either be the

> > GFCF diet or these patches. I am thankful for the patches

because

> he can't

> > do IV glutathione because he would pull the IV out. He does

pull

> off the

> > patch as well but gets some time with it on. My DAN! didn't

> discredit these

> > but didn't support them either - I don't know if they use them

to

> know

> > either way. He just said be careful with the activated charcoal

> because it

> > will bind to everything and my son is about to start other

meds.

> The DAN!

> > does support glutathione and didn't seem surprised that it

would

> seem to be

> > working. Epsom salts recommended 1 or 2 times a week.

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Well you're right , she did say a child recovered from the patches. She also says this is very rare.

From what I understand, Stan recovered his son, in 21 days, with the MB12 Valtrex protocol, and diet change. Isn't that why we all joined this group, because we saw this miraculous recovery and wanted it for our child too?

Having belonged to this group for well over a year now, I've yet to see any other parent claim such a recovery for their child, using Stan's protocol. Nor have I seen him vilified for making his claim about his son's recovery.

For whatever reason, these patches have upset you. However, everyone is starting to comment that you're acting irrationally. Maybe you should believe what everyone is saying and just stop. No one seems to want to hear it, and according to a new poster, you're making our group look bad. People are coming here for support and are getting turned off by your personal attacks.

I won't say anything else about this, because I don't want to keep breathing life into an argument.

Kim

Subject: Re: LIFEWAVE glutathione patchTo: mb12 valtrex Date: Thursday, November 6, 2008, 5:35 PM

Whoops, ! You posted too soon! Check out her posts on , the autistic child supposedly recovered from LW patches. She IS saying a child recovered SOLELY from using LW patches, which she wrote me in a form-letter private email. Her private emails and posts are identical, she apparently has a file she cuts/copies/ pastes from.Does that make a difference NOW that she is making these miraculous claims about TOTAL recoveries with patches, and why/why not? Does it sound bogus now? That facinates me.I am not twisting her words, read her posts before you comment to me. > > >> > > I want you to realize that I am new to this group, new to > biomedical> > > treatments, and NOT using any patches by Lifewave so my > > understanding in all> > > of this is limited. Having said that, I am really upset by what > is > > going on> > > here. I joined this group just a week ago, hoping to find help > and > > support> > > and I have from many of you. For that I am grateful. I didn't > > expect to> > > find attacks and negativity. I understand skepticism and I > > understand each> > > person having their

opinion and their experiences. What I don't > > understand> > > is the way this is being handled. It would be one thing to ask > > questions> > > and to ask for your questions or concerns to be addressed but to > > personally> > > question someone else's integrity is going a bit far. I realize > we > > don't> > > personally know Sue so it is harder through emails to get to know > > someone> > > and to know what their intentions are but what about giving > someone > > the> > > benefit of the doubt? Has she done anything so horrible, > > dishonest, or> > > devious to warrant this? I understand Sue is representing > Lifewave > > and> > > therefore needs to know the company but SHE believes in the > company > > and>

> > their product and that is her choice just like it is your choice > to > > not use> > > the patches if you don't want to. She is not here holding a gun > to > > anyone's> > > head or forcing anyone to buy the patches and she is not making > any > > money> > > off of them. How can you find fault in someone sharing a product > > that> > > worked for her and has obviously worked for others here who isn't > > getting> > > paid to share this info with us? I own my own business with > > Arbonne. Our> > > products for everyday use such as our shampoos, conditioners, and > > body> > > washes are safe for our children. They are a safe alternative > for > > us. I am> > > not claiming that they will recover anyone. That isn't their

> > purpose. They> > > are just another choice for those who want one if they are > looking > > to change> > > all the products they are using from ones with dyes, fragrances, > > chemicals> > > and other problem ingredients. If I sold them to you or anyone > > else here I> > > would get paid a commission for that. But because this is my job, > > does that> > > mean I can't share that info here? If someone is looking for > > something I> > > sell and I know it is safe for their child to use, I can't tell > > them because> > > I would get paid for it? Doesn't Kirkman labs get paid when we > buy > > their> > > vitamins? What about Nordic Naturals or Ojibwa tea? I think it > is> > > ridiculous to say that we have to keep

information to ourselves > > that might> > > help these kids because we are afraid that someone might not like > > it or> > > might get angry if it doesn't help them. That isn't the purpose > of > > this> > > group or at least I didn't think it was. I also understand that > we > > don't> > > want every Tom, Dick, or Harry coming here to peddle products > > especially> > > when all of us are already stretched so thin financially with > these> > > treatments but the fact remains that I (and I'm sure others > would > > agree)> > > want to know about EVERYTHING that is available that may help my > > son and> > > then I will make a decision whether I try it or not. That is MY > > decision to> > > make and I have a

problem with someone making people feel like > they > > can't> > > share all of the products they use or know about because they may > be> > > attacked for doing so.> > > > > > I have gone through cancer with my son and believe me I've had > > people try to> > > exploit him for their purposes. I understand being skeptical and > > educated.> > > I understand asking questions. If you have a problem with > Lifewave > > why> > > don't you contact them directly and ask them your questions. I > > think ANY> > > treatments coming through this board should be looked into by the > > individual> > > considering it for use. I think that there is NO treatment from > > Lifewave or> > > anywhere else no matter what the treatment is

that will work for > > every> > > single person. But regardless of what information you have found > > on this> > > company the fact remains that Sue isn't the only one here saying > it > > works.> > > There are other people with no vested interest saying it is > > helping. So it> > > is doing something. I think Sue's heart is in the right place > and > > I commend> > > her and anyone else who has found something that has helped > > themselves and> > > others and you know what, if you've found a way to legitimately > > help others> > > and it provides you with some extra income so you can continue to > > help heal> > > your loved ones then kudos to you! I have joined a few groups > who > > talk> > > about

biomedical treatments and have seen nothing like this > > anywhere but> > > here. That really saddens me. I appreciate all of the info I > have > > gotten> > > here and all the help you have given me in the last week but I > > refuse to be> > > part of a community that operates this way. We have enough > stress > > in our> > > lives, the last thing we need is more stress added by this kind of> > > negativity. It is so counterproductive, it isn't accomplishing > > anything, it> > > isn't helping anyone, and it certainly isn't putting us any > closer > > to> > > protecting our children or recovering them!> > > > > > > > > > > > Buffy Krajewski> > > > > > Arbonne International > > > >

> > Executive District Manager> > > Independent Consultant #16447105> > > > > > <http://www.nevergiv eup.myarbonne. com> > > www.nevergiveup. myarbonne. com> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Kim

is no longer here. This thread, I thought, had died out.. before you revamped it

tonight. She will hopefully return, and hopefully we can leave well enough alone. I think

she has been reprimanded enough already.

38 and Mom to threeTasha 23..new Mommy ( means I am a Grammy )Casey-Mae 13..sweet as pieElijah 2.. ASD and beautiful

To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2008 9:22:20 PMSubject: Re: Re: LIFEWAVE glutathione patch

Well you're right , she did say a child recovered from the patches. She also says this is very rare.

From what I understand, Stan recovered his son, in 21 days, with the MB12 Valtrex protocol, and diet change. Isn't that why we all joined this group, because we saw this miraculous recovery and wanted it for our child too?

Having belonged to this group for well over a year now, I've yet to see any other parent claim such a recovery for their child, using Stan's protocol. Nor have I seen him vilified for making his claim about his son's recovery.

For whatever reason, these patches have upset you. However, everyone is starting to comment that you're acting irrationally. Maybe you should believe what everyone is saying and just stop. No one seems to want to hear it, and according to a new poster, you're making our group look bad. People are coming here for support and are getting turned off by your personal attacks.

I won't say anything else about this, because I don't want to keep breathing life into an argument.

Kim

From: Fithen <baylee7499yahoo (DOT) com>Subject: Re: LIFEWAVE glutathione patchTo: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. comDate: Thursday, November 6, 2008, 5:35 PM

Whoops, ! You posted too soon! Check out her posts on , the autistic child supposedly recovered from LW patches. She IS saying a child recovered SOLELY from using LW patches, which she wrote me in a form-letter private email. Her private emails and posts are identical, she apparently has a file she cuts/copies/ pastes from.Does that make a difference NOW that she is making these miraculous claims about TOTAL recoveries with patches, and why/why not? Does it sound bogus now? That facinates me.I am not twisting her words, read her posts before you comment to me. > > >> > > I want you to realize that I am new to this group, new to > biomedical> > > treatments, and NOT using any patches by Lifewave so my > > understanding in all> > > of this is limited. Having said that, I am really upset by what > is > > going on> > > here. I joined this group just a week ago, hoping to find help > and > > support> > > and I have from many of you. For that I am grateful. I didn't > > expect to>

> > find attacks and negativity. I understand skepticism and I > > understand each> > > person having their opinion and their experiences. What I don't > > understand> > > is the way this is being handled. It would be one thing to ask > > questions> > > and to ask for your questions or concerns to be addressed but to > > personally> > > question someone else's integrity is going a bit far. I realize > we > > don't> > > personally know Sue so it is harder through emails to get to know > > someone> > > and to know what their intentions are but what about giving > someone > > the> > > benefit of the doubt? Has she done anything so horrible, > > dishonest, or> > > devious to warrant this? I understand Sue is representing > Lifewave

> > and> > > therefore needs to know the company but SHE believes in the > company > > and> > > their product and that is her choice just like it is your choice > to > > not use> > > the patches if you don't want to. She is not here holding a gun > to > > anyone's> > > head or forcing anyone to buy the patches and she is not making > any > > money> > > off of them. How can you find fault in someone sharing a product > > that> > > worked for her and has obviously worked for others here who isn't > > getting> > > paid to share this info with us? I own my own business with > > Arbonne. Our> > > products for everyday use such as our shampoos, conditioners, and > > body> > > washes are safe for our children.

They are a safe alternative > for > > us. I am> > > not claiming that they will recover anyone. That isn't their > > purpose. They> > > are just another choice for those who want one if they are > looking > > to change> > > all the products they are using from ones with dyes, fragrances, > > chemicals> > > and other problem ingredients. If I sold them to you or anyone > > else here I> > > would get paid a commission for that. But because this is my job, > > does that> > > mean I can't share that info here? If someone is looking for > > something I> > > sell and I know it is safe for their child to use, I can't tell > > them because> > > I would get paid for it? Doesn't Kirkman labs get paid when we > buy > > their> > >

vitamins? What about Nordic Naturals or Ojibwa tea? I think it > is> > > ridiculous to say that we have to keep information to ourselves > > that might> > > help these kids because we are afraid that someone might not like > > it or> > > might get angry if it doesn't help them. That isn't the purpose > of > > this> > > group or at least I didn't think it was. I also understand that > we > > don't> > > want every Tom, Dick, or Harry coming here to peddle products > > especially> > > when all of us are already stretched so thin financially with > these> > > treatments but the fact remains that I (and I'm sure others > would > > agree)> > > want to know about EVERYTHING that is available that may help my > > son and> >

> then I will make a decision whether I try it or not. That is MY > > decision to> > > make and I have a problem with someone making people feel like > they > > can't> > > share all of the products they use or know about because they may > be> > > attacked for doing so.> > > > > > I have gone through cancer with my son and believe me I've had > > people try to> > > exploit him for their purposes. I understand being skeptical and > > educated.> > > I understand asking questions. If you have a problem with > Lifewave > > why> > > don't you contact them directly and ask them your questions. I > > think ANY> > > treatments coming through this board should be looked into by the > > individual> > > considering it for use. I

think that there is NO treatment from > > Lifewave or> > > anywhere else no matter what the treatment is that will work for > > every> > > single person. But regardless of what information you have found > > on this> > > company the fact remains that Sue isn't the only one here saying > it > > works.> > > There are other people with no vested interest saying it is > > helping. So it> > > is doing something. I think Sue's heart is in the right place > and > > I commend> > > her and anyone else who has found something that has helped > > themselves and> > > others and you know what, if you've found a way to legitimately > > help others> > > and it provides you with some extra income so you can continue to > > help heal> >

> your loved ones then kudos to you! I have joined a few groups > who > > talk> > > about biomedical treatments and have seen nothing like this > > anywhere but> > > here. That really saddens me. I appreciate all of the info I > have > > gotten> > > here and all the help you have given me in the last week but I > > refuse to be> > > part of a community that operates this way. We have enough > stress > > in our> > > lives, the last thing we need is more stress added by this kind of> > > negativity. It is so counterproductive, it isn't accomplishing > > anything, it> > > isn't helping anyone, and it certainly isn't putting us any > closer > > to> > > protecting our children or recovering them!> > > > > > > > >

> > > Buffy Krajewski> > > > > > Arbonne International > > > > > > Executive District Manager> > > Independent Consultant #16447105> > > > > > <http://www.nevergiv eup.myarbonne. com> > > www.nevergiveup. myarbonne. com> > >> >>

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Sorry ,

I didn't mean to stir up something that had died. I'm way behind on my emails. When I get so behind, I usually delete everything except for subjects I'm interested in, then read and answer from last to first.

Kim

From: Fithen <baylee7499yahoo (DOT) com>Subject: Re: LIFEWAVE glutathione patchTo: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. comDate: Thursday, November 6, 2008, 5:35 PM

Whoops, ! You posted too soon! Check out her posts on , the autistic child supposedly recovered from LW patches. She IS saying a child recovered SOLELY from using LW patches, which she wrote me in a form-letter private email. Her private emails and posts are identical, she apparently has a file she cuts/copies/ pastes from.Does that make a difference NOW that she is making these miraculous claims about TOTAL recoveries with patches, and why/why not? Does it sound bogus now? That facinates me.I am not twisting her words, read her posts before you comment to me. > > >> > > I want you to realize that I am new to this group, new to > biomedical> > > treatments, and NOT using any patches by Lifewave so my > > understanding in all> > > of this is limited. Having said that, I am really upset by what > is > > going on> > > here. I joined this group just a week ago, hoping to find help > and > > support> > > and I have from many of you. For that I am grateful. I didn't > > expect to> > > find attacks and negativity. I understand skepticism and I > > understand each> > > person having their

opinion and their experiences. What I don't > > understand> > > is the way this is being handled. It would be one thing to ask > > questions> > > and to ask for your questions or concerns to be addressed but to > > personally> > > question someone else's integrity is going a bit far. I realize > we > > don't> > > personally know Sue so it is harder through emails to get to know > > someone> > > and to know what their intentions are but what about giving > someone > > the> > > benefit of the doubt? Has she done anything so horrible, > > dishonest, or> > > devious to warrant this? I understand Sue is representing > Lifewave > > and> > > therefore needs to know the company but SHE believes in the > company > > and>

> > their product and that is her choice just like it is your choice > to > > not use> > > the patches if you don't want to. She is not here holding a gun > to > > anyone's> > > head or forcing anyone to buy the patches and she is not making > any > > money> > > off of them. How can you find fault in someone sharing a product > > that> > > worked for her and has obviously worked for others here who isn't > > getting> > > paid to share this info with us? I own my own business with > > Arbonne. Our> > > products for everyday use such as our shampoos, conditioners, and > > body> > > washes are safe for our children. They are a safe alternative > for > > us. I am> > > not claiming that they will recover anyone. That isn't their

> > purpose. They> > > are just another choice for those who want one if they are > looking > > to change> > > all the products they are using from ones with dyes, fragrances, > > chemicals> > > and other problem ingredients. If I sold them to you or anyone > > else here I> > > would get paid a commission for that. But because this is my job, > > does that> > > mean I can't share that info here? If someone is looking for > > something I> > > sell and I know it is safe for their child to use, I can't tell > > them because> > > I would get paid for it? Doesn't Kirkman labs get paid when we > buy > > their> > > vitamins? What about Nordic Naturals or Ojibwa tea? I think it > is> > > ridiculous to say that we have to keep

information to ourselves > > that might> > > help these kids because we are afraid that someone might not like > > it or> > > might get angry if it doesn't help them. That isn't the purpose > of > > this> > > group or at least I didn't think it was. I also understand that > we > > don't> > > want every Tom, Dick, or Harry coming here to peddle products > > especially> > > when all of us are already stretched so thin financially with > these> > > treatments but the fact remains that I (and I'm sure others > would > > agree)> > > want to know about EVERYTHING that is available that may help my > > son and> > > then I will make a decision whether I try it or not. That is MY > > decision to> > > make and I have a

problem with someone making people feel like > they > > can't> > > share all of the products they use or know about because they may > be> > > attacked for doing so.> > > > > > I have gone through cancer with my son and believe me I've had > > people try to> > > exploit him for their purposes. I understand being skeptical and > > educated.> > > I understand asking questions. If you have a problem with > Lifewave > > why> > > don't you contact them directly and ask them your questions. I > > think ANY> > > treatments coming through this board should be looked into by the > > individual> > > considering it for use. I think that there is NO treatment from > > Lifewave or> > > anywhere else no matter what the treatment is

that will work for > > every> > > single person. But regardless of what information you have found > > on this> > > company the fact remains that Sue isn't the only one here saying > it > > works.> > > There are other people with no vested interest saying it is > > helping. So it> > > is doing something. I think Sue's heart is in the right place > and > > I commend> > > her and anyone else who has found something that has helped > > themselves and> > > others and you know what, if you've found a way to legitimately > > help others> > > and it provides you with some extra income so you can continue to > > help heal> > > your loved ones then kudos to you! I have joined a few groups > who > > talk> > > about

biomedical treatments and have seen nothing like this > > anywhere but> > > here. That really saddens me. I appreciate all of the info I > have > > gotten> > > here and all the help you have given me in the last week but I > > refuse to be> > > part of a community that operates this way. We have enough > stress > > in our> > > lives, the last thing we need is more stress added by this kind of> > > negativity. It is so counterproductive, it isn't accomplishing > > anything, it> > > isn't helping anyone, and it certainly isn't putting us any > closer > > to> > > protecting our children or recovering them!> > > > > > > > > > > > Buffy Krajewski> > > > > > Arbonne International > > > >

> > Executive District Manager> > > Independent Consultant #16447105> > > > > > <http://www.nevergiv eup.myarbonne. com> > > www.nevergiveup. myarbonne. com> > >> >>

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she isn't on group anymore guys, she isn't even seeing any of this.....so lets move on and help our kids....she was kicked off for a time to cool off

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Re: LIFEWAVE glutathione patchTo: mb12 valtrex Date: Thursday, November 6, 2008, 5:35 PM

Whoops, ! You posted too soon! Check out her posts on , the autistic child supposedly recovered from LW patches. She IS saying a child recovered SOLELY from using LW patches, which she wrote me in a form-letter private email. Her private emails and posts are identical, she apparently has a file she cuts/copies/ pastes from.Does that make a difference NOW that she is making these miraculous claims about TOTAL recoveries with patches, and why/why not? Does it sound bogus now? That facinates me.I am not twisting her words, read her posts before you comment to me. > > >> > > I want you to realize that I am new to this group, new to > biomedical> > > treatments, and NOT using any patches by Lifewave so my > > understanding in all> > > of this is limited. Having said that, I am really upset by what > is > > going on> > > here. I joined this group just a week ago, hoping to find help > and > > support> > > and I have from many of you. For that I am grateful. I didn't > > expect to> > > find attacks and negativity. I understand skepticism and I > > understand each> > > person having their opinion and their experiences. What I don't > > understand> > > is the way this is being handled. It would be one thing to ask > > questions> > > and to ask for your questions or concerns to be addressed but to > > personally> > > question someone else's integrity is going a bit far. I realize > we > > don't> > > personally know Sue so it is harder through emails to get to know > > someone> > > and to know what their intentions are but what about giving > someone > > the> > > benefit of the doubt? Has she done anything so horrible, > > dishonest, or> > > devious to warrant this? I understand Sue is representing > Lifewave > > and> > > therefore needs to know the company but SHE believes in the > company > > and> > > their product and that is her choice just like it is your choice > to > > not use> > > the patches if you don't want to. She is not here holding a gun > to > > anyone's> > > head or forcing anyone to buy the patches and she is not making > any > > money> > > off of them. How can you find fault in someone sharing a product > > that> > > worked for her and has obviously worked for others here who isn't > > getting> > > paid to share this info with us? I own my own business with > > Arbonne. Our> > > products for everyday use such as our shampoos, conditioners, and > > body> > > washes are safe for our children. They are a safe alternative > for > > us. I am> > > not claiming that they will recover anyone. That isn't their > > purpose. They> > > are just another choice for those who want one if they are > looking > > to change> > > all the products they are using from ones with dyes, fragrances, > > chemicals> > > and other problem ingredients. If I sold them to you or anyone > > else here I> > > would get paid a commission for that. But because this is my job, > > does that> > > mean I can't share that info here? If someone is looking for > > something I> > > sell and I know it is safe for their child to use, I can't tell > > them because> > > I would get paid for it? Doesn't Kirkman labs get paid when we > buy > > their> > > vitamins? What about Nordic Naturals or Ojibwa tea? I think it > is> > > ridiculous to say that we have to keep information to ourselves > > that might> > > help these kids because we are afraid that someone might not like > > it or> > > might get angry if it doesn't help them. That isn't the purpose > of > > this> > > group or at least I didn't think it was. I also understand that > we > > don't> > > want every Tom, Dick, or Harry coming here to peddle products > > especially> > > when all of us are already stretched so thin financially with > these> > > treatments but the fact remains that I (and I'm sure others > would > > agree)> > > want to know about EVERYTHING that is available that may help my > > son and> > > then I will make a decision whether I try it or not. That is MY > > decision to> > > make and I have a problem with someone making people feel like > they > > can't> > > share all of the products they use or know about because they may > be> > > attacked for doing so.> > > > > > I have gone through cancer with my son and believe me I've had > > people try to> > > exploit him for their purposes. I understand being skeptical and > > educated.> > > I understand asking questions. If you have a problem with > Lifewave > > why> > > don't you contact them directly and ask them your questions. I > > think ANY> > > treatments coming through this board should be looked into by the > > individual> > > considering it for use. I think that there is NO treatment from > > Lifewave or> > > anywhere else no matter what the treatment is that will work for > > every> > > single person. But regardless of what information you have found > > on this> > > company the fact remains that Sue isn't the only one here saying > it > > works.> > > There are other people with no vested interest saying it is > > helping. So it> > > is doing something. I think Sue's heart is in the right place > and > > I commend> > > her and anyone else who has found something that has helped > > themselves and> > > others and you know what, if you've found a way to legitimately > > help others> > > and it provides you with some extra income so you can continue to > > help heal> > > your loved ones then kudos to you! I have joined a few groups > who > > talk> > > about biomedical treatments and have seen nothing like this > > anywhere but> > > here. That really saddens me. I appreciate all of the info I > have > > gotten> > > here and all the help you have given me in the last week but I > > refuse to be> > > part of a community that operates this way. We have enough > stress > > in our> > > lives, the last thing we need is more stress added by this kind of> > > negativity. It is so counterproductive, it isn't accomplishing > > anything, it> > > isn't helping anyone, and it certainly isn't putting us any > closer > > to> > > protecting our children or recovering them!> > > > > > > > > > > > Buffy Krajewski> > > > > > Arbonne International > > > > > > Executive District Manager> > > Independent Consultant #16447105> > > > > > <http://www.nevergiv eup.myarbonne. com> > > www.nevergiveup. myarbonne. com> > >> >>

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