Re: sepsis vs.non infectious systemic inflamation

[Guest guest]

My doctor has said inflamation is not infected, that inflamation can be

without infection, but I wonder if they just haven't discovered the

pathogen causing the inflamation because it just doesn't make sense to

me why tissue would be inflamed and would not heal without pathogens

being present. " Something " must be causing the inflamation..? I know

this is said 'inflamation is not infection or not necessarily

infection' but I have doubt.

[Guest guest]

Oh yes, probably mold and bacteria for sure. When I came here in

1990 there had been sewer line backups and I threw everything that

was in basement out and repaired sewer line. That was long ago for

house but germs or mold spores from may have, probably did,

disseminate around house. My greataunt who was living here was 90

years old and had had a stroke and so she would 'forget' to get it

fixed, even forget she had had sewer line backup. Then, of course, I

had air getting down into house from attic that isn't clean, so there

are would have been many sources. She kept the 'living areas' of

house emaculate but there was copious amounts of air mixing in this

house as basement had registers in ductwork to keep

basement 'conditioned' and cracks in plaster, which really weren't

bad looking or eye sores by any means, but we didn't know that that

would let air down from attic into house. I figured I would sell

house and new owners could do things like patch the plaster when they

rewallpapered or painted.

--- In , LiveSimply <quackadillian@...>

wrote:

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> Would it be possible that you had BOTH Bacteria and Mold

contamination in

> the same building,

> for example, if it was WET and DIRTY at the same time?

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[Guest guest]

I can see Dr. Thrasher and Mr Grimes shaking their heads.... Thats

what they've said all along....

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> > My doctor has said inflamation is not infected, that

inflamation can be

> > without infection, but I wonder if they just haven't discovered

the

> > pathogen causing the inflamation because it just doesn't make

sense to

> > me why tissue would be inflamed and would not heal without

pathogens

> > being present. " Something " must be causing the inflamation..? I

know

> > this is said 'inflamation is not infection or not necessarily

> > infection' but I have doubt.

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[Guest guest]

I'm all that... and ...(a bag of chips)? Chips of Lead Paint,

Chromium Dirt, Asbestos, TCE, PCE, Arsenic, Acetone, just to name a

few, on a very long list - I was exposed to Toxic Dust every morning

due to heavy construction as I was working on a former 70 year

Areospace Facility. I remember being caught a few times in an actual

grey cloud with sparkles, as I broke down boxes for the dumpster. I

was aslo exposed to Fungus at both my former place of work and the

NEW facility as I traveled between each workplace. I have pictures

posted of my feet and legs on the Photo Gallery. As my toes are now

looking a bit necrotic, I can only imagine what my internal organs

look like.

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> > My doctor has said inflamation is not infected, that

inflamation can be

> > without infection, but I wonder if they just haven't discovered

the

> > pathogen causing the inflamation because it just doesn't make

sense to

> > me why tissue would be inflamed and would not heal without

pathogens

> > being present. " Something " must be causing the inflamation..? I

know

> > this is said 'inflamation is not infection or not necessarily

> > infection' but I have doubt.

> >

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[Guest guest]

well, I was actually trying to get people to think about affects of

exposure,and after exposure, what might be inflamation without

infection and what might be inflamation from infection. and that like

antibiotics dont help with fungi infections, neither is take

antifungals going to help with bacterial infections and useing either

for no diagnoses of infection is not going to help. but may only help

further resistence of these things. also maybe that what might be

happening while exposed in a damp moldy building may be a little

different than how or what may affect you after exposure. maybe in

part depending on what you were more exposed to and what you are now

more suseptable to. I also think Barb is fully aware that there can

be nore to these wzposyres than just fungi

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> > > My doctor has said inflamation is not infected, that

> inflamation can be

> > > without infection, but I wonder if they just haven't discovered

> the

> > > pathogen causing the inflamation because it just doesn't make

> sense to

> > > me why tissue would be inflamed and would not heal without

> pathogens

> > > being present. " Something " must be causing the inflamation..? I

> know

> > > this is said 'inflamation is not infection or not necessarily

> > > infection' but I have doubt.

> > >

> > >

> > >

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[Guest guest]

sorry Barb, I didn't get a reply in sooner, I knew what you were

trying to say regarding the conversation we had in a previous post

and going along with this one. I think some people missed it. as it

was not about exposure it was about symptoms of exposure and after

exposure and infection vs. inflamation. and what your doctor said is

right. only your term pathogen includes a big verity. maybe something

like non infectious toxins may cause inflamation were infectious

substances cause inflamation from infection.the one article I posted

said gungal cell walled material, lond of leaves things wide open

there, take away the toxic eynzimes/mycotoxins from fungi and humm,

does the spore cell or frag,ents from it cause any harm? well,I

dought it and also recall finding info. to that fact. however all

mold spores have their enyzimes and those definitly if nothing else

would cause immune systems to react and with chronic exposure

supposedly could lead to possable immune disfunction and even if it

didn't or couldn't cause infection it may cause inflamation just

because of our own body reactions which can be fairly toxic. but

really just like I have done in the past with thinking my long term

back pain in my first home was a infection and even a chiopractor

thought the same, I now realize it was inflamation not infection.

cant really say I had a infection while exposed in that house. the

second house was a different story. and yes, I was basicly trying to

get people to really consider if they really have fungal infections

or inflamation without infection. it really seems to me that there is

a certin immune componant to getting a fungal infection or not

because it seem that if we all had fungal infections we'd be dropping

off like flys, a fungal infection is not the same as inflamation from

toxin exposure. and if our exposures cause liver problems and detox

problems after exposure it than becames not just a matter of what we

were exposed to be also a matter of rixic body load because we dont

detox like healthy people do anymore and were still getting exposed

to the same everyday environments they are. plus some of us suffer

the sinus damage that includes smell problems and/or delayed flight

or fight defences and even slow thought process could play into that.

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> > > Would it be possible that you had BOTH Bacteria and Mold

> > contamination in

> > > the same building,

> > > for example, if it was WET and DIRTY at the same time?

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[Guest guest]

Thanks Carl

--- In , " Carl E. Grimes " <grimes@...>

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> Jeanine,

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