Re: Vasculitis and hypercoagulation

[Guest guest]

Yes, I have gotten issues like photos I have seen of vasculitis.

What you describe is very consistent with things that have happened to me too.

My blood can also be very thick at times and they have sometimes had

trouble getting blood when I was getting blood drawn.

I have had aloo sorts of vasculitis-like symptoms. Some also look like

various autoimmune conditions.

Ive been better recently.. its now been around two years post-mold..

But I still get fatigue..

What on blood work would indicate the hypercoagulation?

I must have some kind of record on " comp metabolic panel " s done...

Have not been able to get the Shoemaker tests.. although I have asked

SO many times..

What kind of doctor are you going to who knows this?

On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 2:32 PM, dianebolton52 <dianebolton@...> wrote:

> Hi Everyone: After four years of trying to recovery from my mold

> poisoning I am still having flare-ups of vasculitis. I get many small

> bright red spots called petichiae and the doc here says it is from RE-

> exposure. Do any of you have or have had vasculitis that can shed some

> light on it and what you did for it when it flared up?

>

> Also, I have hypercoagulation and I am told that heperin shots are the

> treatments. Sounds very scarey to me. Any information on that would

> also be appreciated. Thanking you all in advance. Diane

>

[Guest guest]

" ......I'm to the point where I think it's a waste of time

> to see a doctor..... "

I feel the same way.... I have an HMO and it's pointless to go see any

of those doctors and can't afford Shoemaker, Marincovich- when he was

still with us, even Dr. Green who is in my area... it's just one of

those days!

Dana

[Guest guest]

1. Vasculitis can be a life-threatening condition so you certainly

want it known in your medical records.

2. Vasculitis is known to be a condition that can result from toxic

injury (multiple sources) so is important to have in your records as

well.

3. No diagnosis (if accurate) is unimportant in the documentation of

your health issues - without them on paper, future consults with

physicians for worsening health or applying for disability etc.

won't be productive.

4. Some treatments for primary toxicity may be contraindicated if

complications from other serious sequelae of that injury make such

interventions more hazardous. For instance, someone unstable from

continued exposures to mold or other contaminants should not be

starting mercury chelation at that time just because they test

positive for the metal.

Keep the whole picture in mind and on the record, even if the

observations aren't something you can address immediately.

Barb Rubin

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>

>

> " ......I'm to the point where I think it's a waste of time

> > to see a doctor..... "

[Guest guest]

ACCORDING TO MEDICAL SCIENCE, YOU CAN HAVE FUNGAL VASCULITIS OR TOXIC

VACULITIS OR BOTH.(sorry caps on)so anyway, even if your exposed to

that non-toxic mold, i guess it can still mess you up. (quack quack)

or maybe all allergenic molds are pathogenic and all pathogenic molds

are toxic and just because the toxins aren't found at the time of

testing doesn't mean there not there. maybe instead of testing for

mycotoxins in the air they should be testing for them on or in the

spores. seems if you find them there you can be sure they were in the

air at verious times. or hay, maybe it should just be realized that

if they are known to produce them, they did. and well, lets get real,

if you didn't get exposed to the toxins you wouldn't be ill because

you wouldn't have suffered the organ damage that keeps you ill even

after exposure. or hay, medical science says all our injury's all

caused by pathogenic fungi, systemic fungal infections, so hey, why

should we have to even prove we were exposed to the toxins? lets face

it, mold can mess you up.

[Guest guest]

I keep *ALL* medical records and I mention them to doctors too. I

have kept all my medical records since I was healthy and in my 20's.

I'm just really thorough like that. It's my personality. If it

weren't, I'd probably be dead by now with this mold business. I find

my medical records largely ignored anyway, so I have to keep track in

my own head and question everything they recommend and DO. Afraid to

go into a hospital since they make so many errors and then patients

have so little say about what happens to them in a hospital.

Hospitals wouldn't admit that it's true.

EVEN the LONG forms you fill out in doctor's offices for FIRST visit,

then doctor comes in and doesn't even look it over. More than once I

haven't finished filling it out when called and sat with it in my

hand and then left office without turning it in. I left without

turning it in just to see if they EVER asked for it, and they never

have, so what's it for anyway???

I go only to the best doctors I can find too. It's so discouraging.

A dermatologist that I have gone to nearly all my life when I needed

one. People come from out of town to see him and he is good most of

the time, Rx me Prednisone for inflamation I have that will not

resolve, even though I mentioned to him a number of times I have

signs of immune deficiency including a recent bought of shingles

(that he treated me for), and now evidence of pancreatitis (which I

told him abotu...shows up on cat and MRI). Warning on Prednison say

that do not take it if you have an infection as it suppresses the

immune system. I could just remind him....but I feel would if I

didn't do so much work myself...no wonder U.S. spends more on health

care than any other country but our population is in worse shape than

any other industrialize nation. How are these doctors being trained,

or screened for ability to understand science???

I just don't get the whole doctor thing anymore. I feel I understand

my body better and good health care better than they do.

>

> 1. Vasculitis can be a life-threatening condition so you certainly

> want it known in your medical records.

>

> 2. Vasculitis is known to be a condition that can result from toxic

> injury (multiple sources) so is important to have in your records

as

> well.

>

[Guest guest]

I also keep my medical records and can personally attest to hospital

errors and doctors wanting to prescribe prednisone until I pointed out

edema. The " parts people " are in dire need of some good education of

the body in general.

Most people aren't as attuned to medical needs or are timid about

questioning the " parts people " . The whole health care system is a

terrible shame in this country.

Barth

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b> I keep *ALL* medical records and I mention them to doctors too. I

b> have kept all my medical records since I was healthy and in my 20's.

b> I'm just really thorough like that. It's my personality. If it

b> weren't, I'd probably be dead by now with this mold business. I find

b> my medical records largely ignored anyway, so I have to keep track in

b> my own head and question everything they recommend and DO. Afraid to

b> go into a hospital since they make so many errors and then patients

b> have so little say about what happens to them in a hospital.

b> Hospitals wouldn't admit that it's true.

[Guest guest]

Jeanine and All: I have been quite of lately. It seems that noone seems want

to understand what is going on in the indoor environment. Dr. Chin Yang and Dr.

Lipsey agree with me because the have also seen what I have seen,

infections with nontuberculin mycobacteria in addition to molds. There are

molds and mold spores with their toxins. No question about these facts. There

are also gram positive bacteria (bacilli, Streptomyces, Nocacria and

Mycobacterium, thatproduce toxins and are potentially infectious. Then there

are the particulates. The mold spores and hyphae fragments are quite large (2

microns and upwards). The other portion of the particulates consist of

fragments smaller than the spores and hyphae. I suggest that you get on pubmed

and/or google and Search for the research papers by Gottschalk (mycopathologia,

2008; Brasel et al 2003-2004; Van Emon et al,, 2004; and Falkinham, 2004;

Johanning et al, 2004-05 and earlier). You will find that the toxins are

carried in the fine particulates as well as the spores and hyphae. Also, you

will discover synergism between the actinobacter toxins and trichothecenes.

Mycetomas are caused by the actinobacter and eumycetomas by the molds. The

spores of Streptomyces californicus are one micron or less. These are not

detected with a mold spore trap filter. There is much information in the

literature. If you cannot find it, email me. I will be pleased to send you the

information. Jack D. Thrasher, Ph.D.

Jack D. Thrasher, Ph.D.

Toxicologist/Immunotoxicologist/Fetaltoxicologist

www.drthrasher.org

toxicologist1@...

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Cell - 575-937-1150

L. Crawley, M.ED., LADC

Trauma Specialist

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[Guest guest]

Thank you Dr. Thrasher, I should have said damp molsy environments or

DMB,WDB, cant ever remember the correct term to cover it all.

I'm a little conserned about further testing needed on my homes as

the no longer is electricity to either, would that be a problem?

I'm also very conserned about who will do the testing and if it well

be done properly. cant say I'm very trusting these days. does it

matter what the weather condictions are while doing some of the

testing? if I understand right it wouldn't matter so nusg with the

mucotoxin testing but what about the bacterial? this is not a area

I've spent alot of time learning. can everything be detected while

it's dry through dust and swab samples?

the homes have not been lived in and everything in the air would be

settled. I cant turn the ac back on to bring up what was in the

ductwork.

In , " Jack Thrasher, Ph.D. "

<toxicologist1@...> wrote:

>

> Jeanine and All: I have been quite of lately. It seems that noone

seems want to understand what is going on in the indoor environment.

Dr. Chin Yang and Dr. Lipsey agree with me because the have

also seen what I have seen, infections with nontuberculin

mycobacteria in addition to molds. There are molds and mold spores

with their toxins. No question about these facts. There are also

gram positive bacteria (bacilli, Streptomyces, Nocacria and

Mycobacterium, thatproduce toxins and are potentially infectious.

Then there are the particulates. The mold spores and hyphae

fragments are quite large (2 microns and upwards). The other portion

of the particulates consist of fragments smaller than the spores and

hyphae. I suggest that you get on pubmed and/or google and Search

for the research papers by Gottschalk (mycopathologia, 2008; Brasel

et al 2003-2004; Van Emon et al,, 2004; and Falkinham, 2004;

Johanning et al, 2004-05 and earlier). You will find that the toxins

are carried in the fine particulates as well as the spores and

hyphae. Also, you will discover synergism between the actinobacter

toxins and trichothecenes. Mycetomas are caused by the actinobacter

and eumycetomas by the molds. The spores of Streptomyces

californicus are one micron or less. These are not detected with a

mold spore trap filter. There is much information in the literature.

If you cannot find it, email me. I will be pleased to send you the

information. Jack D. Thrasher, Ph.D.

> Jack D. Thrasher, Ph.D.

> Toxicologist/Immunotoxicologist/Fetaltoxicologist

> www.drthrasher.org

> toxicologist1@...

> Off: 530--644-6035

> Cell - 575-937-1150

>

>

> L. Crawley, M.ED., LADC

> Trauma Specialist

> sandracrawley@...

> 530-644-6035 - Off

> 775-309-3994 - Cell

>

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[Guest guest]

Jeanine, Can you reach down into the cold air return and take a tape

lift from inside of there? All the air from the house should pass

through the cold air returns.

>

> Thank you Dr. Thrasher, I should have said damp molsy environments or

> DMB,WDB, cant ever remember the correct

[Guest guest]

Does this sound familiar to anyone? On mold plates, in addition to whited

dotted and fuzzy colonies, there was this pinkish-salmon colored stuff growing

and taking over the plate.

Unfortunately, I didn't have it tested-I wasn't quite of sound mind.

Now I have had two clear quartz crystals in the same room (it was only in this

room), and both have had this orangish, pinkish stuff growing in the crooks.

Does anyone have a hit on what this stuff might be?

Of course, I'm moving. But that's a whole other email...

Blessings,

Michal

> From: Jack Thrasher, Ph.D. <toxicologist1@...>

> Subject: [] Re: Vasculitis and hypercoagulation

>

> Cc: " Crawley " <sandracrawley@...>, ntefusa@...

> Date: Sunday, July 13, 2008, 8:07 AM

> Jeanine and All: I have been quite of lately. It seems

> that noone seems want to understand what is going on in the

> indoor environment. Dr. Chin Yang and Dr. Lipsey

> agree with me because the have also seen what I have seen,

> infections with nontuberculin mycobacteria in addition to

> molds. There are molds and mold spores with their toxins.

> No question about these facts. There are also gram

> positive bacteria (bacilli, Streptomyces, Nocacria and

> Mycobacterium, thatproduce toxins and are potentially

> infectious. Then there are the particulates. The mold

> spores and hyphae fragments are quite large (2 microns and

> upwards). The other portion of the particulates consist of

> fragments smaller than the spores and hyphae. I suggest

> that you get on pubmed and/or google and Search for the

> research papers by Gottschalk (mycopathologia, 2008; Brasel

> et al 2003-2004; Van Emon et al,, 2004; and Falkinham, 2004;

> Johanning et al, 2004-05 and earlier). You will find that

> the toxins are carried in the fine particulates as well as

> the spores and hyphae. Also, you will discover synergism

> between the actinobacter toxins and trichothecenes.

> Mycetomas are caused by the actinobacter and eumycetomas by

> the molds. The spores of Streptomyces californicus are one

> micron or less. These are not detected with a mold spore

> trap filter. There is much information in the literature.

> If you cannot find it, email me. I will be pleased to send

> you the information. Jack D. Thrasher, Ph.D.

> Jack D. Thrasher, Ph.D.

> Toxicologist/Immunotoxicologist/Fetaltoxicologist

> www.drthrasher.org

> toxicologist1@...

> Off: 530--644-6035

> Cell - 575-937-1150

>

>

> L. Crawley, M.ED., LADC

> Trauma Specialist

> sandracrawley@...

> 530-644-6035 - Off

> 775-309-3994 - Cell

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I'm not going in that house to do anything Barb. the last time I even

thought about it the smell wioed me out before I even opened the door.

my layer is looking for someone to do further testing, I just meed to

know we well be getting someone that knowa what they are doing and I'm

not up to researching all that. I just cant rap my mind around more

than one thing at a time and my plate runeth over.

In , " barb1283 " <barb1283@...> wrote:

>

> Jeanine, Can you reach down into the cold air return and take a tape

> lift from inside of there? All the air from the house should pass

> through the cold air returns.

>

>

> >

> > Thank you Dr. Thrasher, I should have said damp molsy environments

or

> > DMB,WDB, cant ever remember the correct

>