Re: 3 Promising Antioxidants in- pesicides cause of lbd ?

[Guest guest]

The evidence of pesticide involvement is overwhelming for individuals to know

that it is a factor....the definitive science is not in place yet, though

changes are gradually being seen in the market place due to public awareness.

I know in the old place we live at, in the woods, we are constantly battling

" critters " , but I made a committment to Judd not to use a single spray or

pesticide in or around the house. There has been personal episodes of seeing

his sensitivity to such environmental changes.

I bought some mice poison traps thinking they would be better than the open

boxes...but when I smelled the intense odor from them, I threw them away. I

also had bought some plastic box traps, put some bird seed in them, and began

trapping and " relocating " them to the state park's woods a few hundred feet away

from our door. I figured they might beat me back to the house, but I haven't

seen evidence of another one since I displaced 10 to a happier home for them.

:-)

Now if I could just " displace " the ants....:-) (but I still don't spray)....

There are other answers to solve the problems....but think of the massive shift

in marketing it would take to rectify what we and or LO have been living in for

over so many years...that is one reason we are not likely to see any " public "

scientific evidence soon....

That is why the most immediate and effective remedy (other than cleaning the

personal environment with pesticides) is nutritional support to let the body

detoxify itself and build defenses against intrusions...

Marie

[Guest guest]

During WWII DDT was used. It was even used as a mosquito spray on our island.

Mama made us come in when she saw it happening, yet, she used sprays, and

burned wicks in the house. We ran around barefoot all the time, and picked up

plenty of DDT I am sure. She had a big can with a long pump handle on it, and

that is what she used to spray the mosquitos.

Imogene

In a message dated 7/10/2006 3:40:39 PM Central Daylight Time,

judd7052@... writes:

The evidence of pesticide involvement is overwhelming for individuals to

know that it is a factor....the definitive science is not in place yet, though

changes are gradually being seen in the market place due to public awareness.

I know in the old place we live at, in the woods, we are constantly battling

" critters " , but I made a committment to Judd not to use a single spray or

pesticide in or around the house. There has been personal episodes of seeing

his sensitivity to such environmental changes.

I bought some mice poison traps thinking they would be better than the open

boxes...but when I smelled the intense odor from them, I threw them away. I

also had bought some plastic box traps, put some bird seed in them, and began

trapping and " relocating " them to the state park's woods a few hundred feet

away from our door. I figured they might beat me back to the house, but I

haven't seen evidence of another one since I displaced 10 to a happier home

for them. :-)

Now if I could just " displace " the ants....:-) (but I still don't spray)....

There are other answers to solve the problems....but think of the massive

shift in marketing it would take to rectify what we and or LO have been living

in for over so many years...that is one reason we are not likely to see any

" public " scientific evidence soon....

That is why the most immediate and effective remedy (other than cleaning the

personal environment with pesticides) is nutritional support to let the body

detoxify itself and build defenses against intrusions...

Marie

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[Guest guest]

If you are in the Dallas area, have you ever gone to

Dr. Rea's clinic there? I have MCS that was diagnosed

at his clinic after I did a lot of research myself

back in the late 70s when I became quite ill. I had

always been healthy and never took many sick days, and

at that time I ended up using all my 12 alotted sick

days. They determined that I either had a long-term

low dose of a chemical or a short-term high dose of a

chemical that probably set off the reaction. We had

lived in 7 different houses in our nearly 25 years of

marriage then, and I had painted, varnished, and used

all kinds of chemical during that time, but what

probably was ultimate cause was the use of paint

stripper on one door that possibly had lead paint, as

the house was at least 75 years old. We also put in

formaldehyde insulation, which did not set up properly

and may have off-gassed. Through a long process and

some luck, I finally heard of Dr. Rea's clinic, and

since my sister lived in Dallas, both my husband and I

went thru his allergy testing as well as chemical

sensitivity testing. Dr. Rea was the doctor who

treated Connelly (sp) (Gov who was shot along

with President Kennedy). He later on was having lots

of trouble in the hospital setting with many of the

chemicals/products used there and began researching

the illness. I don't believe I would have been able

to live in today's world had I not found him. I still

have a great deal of problem with perfumes, cigarette

smoke, exhaust fumes, fresh gas smells, paints,

varnishes, etc., basically anything that smells.

However, after treatment for over 20 years (now with a

Missouri doctor), I have become more tolerant of

chemicals and can use very light fragrances in

shampoos, but not perfume; have been able to use some

latex paints for a short time; and am now having to do

the lawn mowing with that exhaust and kicking up mold,

grass, and other allergens. I can fill the car with

gas without problems as long as I move away from the

pumps. So, it has improved to some degree, but once

you have been exposed to the chemicals, the damage is

often irreversible. In addition to using and spraying

the insecticides/pesticides for several years, my

husband also stripped and refinished furniture for

years and was exposed to some very strong-smelling

chemicals, and I have wondered if that caused any of

his problems. That is why I would like to see some

kind of gene testing for those with LBD to see if that

damage might be responsible. He also used a lot of

Tums when he worked as a traveling salesman and was on

the road a lot. He had lots of indigestion, and he

popped Tums like candy. There is a lot of aluminum in

Tums, which has been suspect in the past but is now

not thought to be as dangerous as it previously was.

--- Iward27663@... wrote:

>

> I became very sick a few years ago. The allergist

> asked about products that

> I had been exposed to. We lived near a farm and

> every time they dusted, and

> sprayed, it blew right into my house. I had six

> windows across the back of the

> house, and the house would be full before I could

> get it closed. I never

> knew when that dusting was going to happen. I didn't

> think about it being in the

> carpet, and I went around barefoot all the time,

> Even in the yard. That is

> when my Asthma got so bad, and developed into

> chronic Eosenophilia Pneumonia,

> and my lungs are a mass of scars.

>

> I have a total intolerance to chemicals. The several

> specialist I have been

> under, all think it came from those pesticides.

>

> Imogene

>

>

> In a message dated 7/9/2006 10:03:15 PM Central

> Daylight Time,

> jchristensen1953@... writes:

>

> In one of the LBDA sites, it mentions two specific

> insecticides/pesticides that cause the destruction

> of

> the " DJ-1 gene (believe that's correct), and that

> may

> be the cause of LBD. I have asked around if someone

> like Mayo's does gene testing to see if this might

> be

> the case, and haven't gotten an answer. If it were

> true, it would be something at least could be used

> as

> a warning for others. I know it's too late for our

> family members now.

>

> --- donna@... wrote:

>

> > Quoting June Christensen

> > :

> >

> > >

> > > with being exposed to insecticides and

> pesticides

> > > (which are under suspicion for LBD) could have

> > caused

> > > disastrous results, as he wouldn't have had as

> > many

> > > antioxidants in his system to counteract the bad

> > > effects of the pesticides/insecticides. I sure

> > wish

> >

> > It's interesting you say this...i aALWAYS

> suspected

> > this with my dad.

> >

> > he worked for the dept of parks and recretion and

> in

> > those days they

> > handled all kinds of pesticides and herbicides -

> > with bare hands and

> > no face masks or anything.

> >

> > i've never read anything oficial on it - have you

> ?

> >

> > donna

> > >

> > >

> > >

>

>

>

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

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[Guest guest]

You have just about written my life. I found a fine Doctor here in San

that diagnosed my problem. My doctor knew about a Dr. doing

research here, and consulted with Dr. . The two together determined my

problem. When My doctor found out I was an artist, He said get rid of those

paints,

Now! I went home and cried, but I gave them (over a thousand dollars worth)

to a grand daughter.

Imogene

In a message dated 7/10/2006 9:36:12 PM Central Daylight Time,

jchristensen1953@... writes:

If you are in the Dallas area, have you ever gone to

Dr. Rea's clinic there? I have MCS that was diagnosed

at his clinic after I did a lot of research myself

back in the late 70s when I became quite ill. I had

always been healthy and never took many sick days, and

at that time I ended up using all my 12 alotted sick

days. They determined that I either had a long-term

low dose of a chemical or a short-term high dose of a

chemical that probably set off the reaction. We had

lived in 7 different houses in our nearly 25 years of

marriage then, and I had painted, varnished, and used

all kinds of chemical during that time, but what

probably was ultimate cause was the use of paint

stripper on one door that possibly had lead paint, as

the house was at least 75 years old. We also put in

formaldehyde insulation, which did not set up properly

and may have off-gassed. Through a long process and

some luck, I finally heard of Dr. Rea's clinic, and

since my sister lived in Dallas, both my husband and I

went thru his allergy testing as well as chemical

sensitivity testing. Dr. Rea was the doctor who

treated Connelly (sp) (Gov who was shot along

with President Kennedy). He later on was having lots

of trouble in the hospital setting with many of the

chemicals/products used there and began researching

the illness. I don't believe I would have been able

to live in today's world had I not found him. I still

have a great deal of problem with perfumes, cigarette

smoke, exhaust fumes, fresh gas smells, paints,

varnishes, etc., basically anything that smells.

However, after treatment for over 20 years (now with a

Missouri doctor), I have become more tolerant of

chemicals and can use very light fragrances in

shampoos, but not perfume; have been able to use some

latex paints for a short time; and am now having to do

the lawn mowing with that exhaust and kicking up mold,

grass, and other allergens. I can fill the car with

gas without problems as long as I move away from the

pumps. So, it has improved to some degree, but once

you have been exposed to the chemicals, the damage is

often irreversible. In addition to using and spraying

the insecticides/pesticides for several years, my

husband also stripped and refinished furniture for

years and was exposed to some very strong-smelling

chemicals, and I have wondered if that caused any of

his problems. That is why I would like to see some

kind of gene testing for those with LBD to see if that

damage might be responsible. He also used a lot of

Tums when he worked as a traveling salesman and was on

the road a lot. He had lots of indigestion, and he

popped Tums like candy. There is a lot of aluminum in

Tums, which has been suspect in the past but is now

not thought to be as dangerous as it previously was.

--- Iward27663@... wrote:

>

> I became very sick a few years ago. The allergist

> asked about products that

> I had been exposed to. We lived near a farm and

> every time they dusted, and

> sprayed, it blew right into my house. I had six

> windows across the back of the

> house, and the house would be full before I could

> get it closed. I never

> knew when that dusting was going to happen. I didn't

> think about it being in the

> carpet, and I went around barefoot all the time,

> Even in the yard. That is

> when my Asthma got so bad, and developed into

> chronic Eosenophilia Pneumonia,

> and my lungs are a mass of scars.

>

> I have a total intolerance to chemicals. The several

> specialist I have been

> under, all think it came from those pesticides.

>

> Imogene

>

>

> In a message dated 7/9/2006 10:03:15 PM Central

> Daylight Time,

> jchristensen1953@... writes:

>

> In one of the LBDA sites, it mentions two specific

> insecticides/pesticides that cause the destruction

> of

> the " DJ-1 gene (believe that's correct), and that

> may

> be the cause of LBD. I have asked around if someone

> like Mayo's does gene testing to see if this might

> be

> the case, and haven't gotten an answer. If it were

> true, it would be something at least could be used

> as

> a warning for others. I know it's too late for our

> family members now.

>

> --- donna@... wrote:

>

> > Quoting June Christensen

> > :

> >

> > >

> > > with being exposed to insecticides and

> pesticides

> > > (which are under suspicion for LBD) could have

> > caused

> > > disastrous results, as he wouldn't have had as

> > many

> > > antioxidants in his system to counteract the bad

> > > effects of the pesticides/insecticides. I sure

> > wish

> >

> > It's interesting you say this...i aALWAYS

> suspected

> > this with my dad.

> >

> > he worked for the dept of parks and recretion and

> in

> > those days they

> > handled all kinds of pesticides and herbicides -

> > with bare hands and

> > no face masks or anything.

> >

> > i've never read anything oficial on it - have you

> ?

> >

> > donna

> > >

> > >

> > >

>

>

>

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

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