Bleach

July 18, 2008

I was wondering if anyone has had any reactions to bleach.

I am affected by bleach in a positive way and I don't understand why

exactly. One day I had a severe headache prior to spraying some

bleach for a few minutes. Shortly I realized my headache was gone.

Thinking it was just a coincidence I ignored it until, I realized that

everytime I used bleach I had an overall general " Good " feeling with

more energy for a few hours after.

Realizing that inhalation of bleach can be extremely hazardous, and

even fatal, I avoided it for any length of time.

I wonder if after someone cleans house some of the " Good " feeling

isn't from getting a whiff of bleach, occasionally. Or, if it works

adversely to bacteria or fungus within our bodies.

Anyway, just thought I would broadcast this for any past experience

anyone has had in this group.

July 18, 2008

I was itching to hear a responce for this question. Strange as the answer may be

there is a side affect to your responce. this is at least the second time I can

recall cigarettes being brought up in a way that I am finding helpfull. In the

end, if this keeps up, I will be forced to quit smoking not from laws or other

people but by knowledge. I am not sure I understand the difference in say

commercials saying they are not healthy and the things I learn here or while

learning about something else But there is a vast difference. When I sit here

and think to myself how insane it is to purposly inhale bleach and then it is

compared in such a way I am also forced to think of how insane it is to inhale

what I know to be in cigerettes.

Great analogy Carl.

Thanks

From: Carl E. Grimes <grimes@...>

Subject: Re: [] Bleach

Date: Friday, July 18, 2008, 10:55 PM

There are a couple of possible explanations why you feel better

after using bleach.

1. Not all reactions are experienced in a negative way. Theron

Randolph, considered the father of clinical ecology (a term no

longer in favor) created a + and - scale of allergy. (all these

complex reactions were called allergy 50 years ago). In his book

" An Alternative Approach to Allergies " neutral was zero and was

the preferred state. Reactions experienced in a negative way

ranged from -1 through -4. Reactions experienced in a positive

way ranged from +1 through +4. The end result either way was

not good. Think about drinking alcohol, or eating lots of ice

cream. (when we were still healthy enough to imbibe in those

things!)

2. Some reactions shut down others. This is what

identifies as masking. Smoking cigarettes and drinking coffee are

great masks because they " hide " reactions to themselves and

other substances. We feel better but any damage, if it is

happening, continues. In her words, " Masking, which may blunt or

eliminate responses to chemical challenges, appears to have

several components: apposition, which is the overlapping of the

effects of closely timed exposures, acclimatization or habituation,

and addiction. " http://www.tldp. com/issue/ 210/toxicantin. htm

Not everyone reacts in a + way to everything or to all

combinations. Likewise, what is a mask for me may induce a

severely noticable reaction in you. Individuality rears it complex

head once again!

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

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> I was wondering if anyone has had any reactions to bleach.

>

> I am affected by bleach in a positive way and I don't understand why

> exactly. One day I had a severe headache prior to spraying some

> bleach for a few minutes. Shortly I realized my headache was gone.

> Thinking it was just a coincidence I ignored it until, I realized that

> everytime I used bleach I had an overall general " Good " feeling with

> more energy for a few hours after.

>

> Realizing that inhalation of bleach can be extremely hazardous, and

> even fatal, I avoided it for any length of time.

>

> I wonder if after someone cleans house some of the " Good " feeling

> isn't from getting a whiff of bleach, occasionally. Or, if it works

> adversely to bacteria or fungus within our bodies.

>

> Anyway, just thought I would broadcast this for any past experience

> anyone has had in this group.

>

> ------------ --------- --------- ------

>

> FAIR USE NOTICE:

>

July 19, 2008

does she go into detail about the lesser of evils? and how really

hard it would be to practice complete advoidence inless your rich and

have people waiting on you hand and foot.

does she talk any about possable brain damage that may leave you with

somewhat compulsive addictive disorders that you didn't have before?

--- In , " Carl E. Grimes " <grimes@...>

wrote:

>

> There are a couple of possible explanations why you feel better

> after using bleach.

>

> 1. Not all reactions are experienced in a negative way. Theron

> Randolph, considered the father of clinical ecology (a term no

> longer in favor) created a + and - scale of allergy. (all these

> complex reactions were called allergy 50 years ago). In his book

> " An Alternative Approach to Allergies " neutral was zero and was

> the preferred state. Reactions experienced in a negative way

> ranged from -1 through -4. Reactions experienced in a positive

> way ranged from +1 through +4. The end result either way was

> not good. Think about drinking alcohol, or eating lots of ice

> cream. (when we were still healthy enough to imbibe in those

> things!)

>

> 2. Some reactions shut down others. This is what

> identifies as masking. Smoking cigarettes and drinking coffee are

> great masks because they " hide " reactions to themselves and

> other substances. We feel better but any damage, if it is

> happening, continues. In her words, " Masking, which may blunt or

> eliminate responses to chemical challenges, appears to have

> several components: apposition, which is the overlapping of the

> effects of closely timed exposures, acclimatization or habituation,

> and addiction. " http://www.tldp.com/issue/210/toxicantin.htm

>

> Not everyone reacts in a + way to everything or to all

> combinations. Likewise, what is a mask for me may induce a

> severely noticable reaction in you. Individuality rears it complex

> head once again!

>

> Carl Grimes

> Healthy Habitats LLC

>

> -----

> > I was wondering if anyone has had any reactions to bleach.

> >

> > I am affected by bleach in a positive way and I don't understand

why

> > exactly. One day I had a severe headache prior to spraying some

> > bleach for a few minutes. Shortly I realized my headache was

gone.

> > Thinking it was just a coincidence I ignored it until, I realized

that

> > everytime I used bleach I had an overall general " Good " feeling

with

> > more energy for a few hours after.

> >

> > Realizing that inhalation of bleach can be extremely hazardous,

and

> > even fatal, I avoided it for any length of time.

> >

> > I wonder if after someone cleans house some of the " Good " feeling

> > isn't from getting a whiff of bleach, occasionally. Or, if it

works

> > adversely to bacteria or fungus within our bodies.

> >

> > Anyway, just thought I would broadcast this for any past

experience

> > anyone has had in this group.

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> > FAIR USE NOTICE:

> >

July 19, 2008

sorry, I'm a bit grouchy whrn it comes to the subject of quiting

smokeing. I don't believe we can ever tottally advoid

chemicals/toxins completely. if my smokeing bothered me I'd surely

quit. I've lost almost everything except my car that I bought after

my exposure because my other car got cross contaminated and I

couldn't stand being in it. anyway, there is a level even with a

damaged liver which would be different for everyone. as it all comes

down to total body load. the high the total body load(toxins in the

body) the less resistent you are to a given exposure on any given day.

I deal with this and I see it in myself. regardless of my smokeing I

have periods of when I fell pretty good. I can fell good and have a

bad exposure bring me down and I can fell very bad and any exposure

will bring me dowm. now there are some studies where a few times it's

been nited that smoking was not a factor. theres been some studies

showing it may even help. I just have to say hey, I've learned the

hard way that medical science is often wrong. and I think everything

depends on dose and I know from my reactions that theres a difference

in even cigerette brands and cigars and that there are familys of

chemicals and being reactive to one might make you reactive to the

others in that family and maybe what you become reactive to after

exposure is based on what you were exposed too. but amyway, I could

always use the excuse that I could step outside anyday and get hit by

a mac truck and when it's our time it's our time. I have had to alter

my life so much over this crap I'm pretty much at the end of what I

will give up to this stupied disease. in otherwords damn, I never was

a drinker and it really pisses me off that I'm basicly suffering from

their disease,plus. and I really wish I could enjoy a stiff drink

about now. ok, I'm done throwing a fit. I'm just saying hey, if the

science was all there maybe we wouldn't be here. blame it on the 60's

and 70's, blame it on someone somewhere slacking off big time on

their jobs. blame on pure evil and phillip morris and cigerette

science. blame it on the lawyers and doctors and their hired thugs.

and how screwed up our justice system is. I didn't ask to be here.

but I am. I suffered a severe brain injury and no one help me but

myself and that took even more years of suffering and I had a major

screwing over during that time by many people involved and if the

courts can't reconize that a freaking brain injury should be cause

for your statue of limitation to be null, they need someone to

educate their azzzzes, maybe they need to suffer a brain injury

theirself and see how well they can defend theirself. ok, I'm done

now.

> >

> > There are a couple of possible explanations why you feel better

> > after using bleach.

> >

> > 1. Not all reactions are experienced in a negative way. Theron

> > Randolph, considered the father of clinical ecology (a term no

> > longer in favor) created a + and - scale of allergy. (all these

> > complex reactions were called allergy 50 years ago). In his book

> > " An Alternative Approach to Allergies " neutral was zero and was

> > the preferred state. Reactions experienced in a negative way

> > ranged from -1 through -4. Reactions experienced in a positive

> > way ranged from +1 through +4. The end result either way was

> > not good. Think about drinking alcohol, or eating lots of ice

> > cream. (when we were still healthy enough to imbibe in those

> > things!)

> >

> > 2. Some reactions shut down others. This is what

> > identifies as masking. Smoking cigarettes and drinking coffee are

> > great masks because they " hide " reactions to themselves and

> > other substances. We feel better but any damage, if it is

> > happening, continues. In her words, " Masking, which may blunt or

> > eliminate responses to chemical challenges, appears to have

> > several components: apposition, which is the overlapping of the

> > effects of closely timed exposures, acclimatization or

habituation,

> > and addiction. " http://www.tldp.com/issue/210/toxicantin.htm

> >

> > Not everyone reacts in a + way to everything or to all

> > combinations. Likewise, what is a mask for me may induce a

> > severely noticable reaction in you. Individuality rears it

complex

> > head once again!

> >

> > Carl Grimes

> > Healthy Habitats LLC

> >

> > -----

> > > I was wondering if anyone has had any reactions to bleach.

> > >

> > > I am affected by bleach in a positive way and I don't

understand

> why

> > > exactly. One day I had a severe headache prior to spraying

some

> > > bleach for a few minutes. Shortly I realized my headache was

> gone.

> > > Thinking it was just a coincidence I ignored it until, I

realized

> that

> > > everytime I used bleach I had an overall general " Good " feeling

> with

> > > more energy for a few hours after.

> > >

> > > Realizing that inhalation of bleach can be extremely hazardous,

> and

> > > even fatal, I avoided it for any length of time.

> > >

> > > I wonder if after someone cleans house some of the " Good "

feeling

> > > isn't from getting a whiff of bleach, occasionally. Or, if it

> works

> > > adversely to bacteria or fungus within our bodies.

> > >

> > > Anyway, just thought I would broadcast this for any past

> experience

> > > anyone has had in this group.

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > > FAIR USE NOTICE:

> > >

July 19, 2008

where does haveing to get on a nasty airplane with a buch of people

with perfume on at the worst time of the year, and haveing just

watched a show about how airplane ice is badly contaminated with

bacteria, and knowing theres a problem with fungi and bacteria on

airplanes, fit on that scale of advoidamce because I'm so dreading

haveing to do this.