Guest guest Posted July 18, 2008 Report Share Posted July 18, 2008 I was wondering if anyone has had any reactions to bleach. I am affected by bleach in a positive way and I don't understand why exactly. One day I had a severe headache prior to spraying some bleach for a few minutes. Shortly I realized my headache was gone. Thinking it was just a coincidence I ignored it until, I realized that everytime I used bleach I had an overall general " Good " feeling with more energy for a few hours after. Realizing that inhalation of bleach can be extremely hazardous, and even fatal, I avoided it for any length of time. I wonder if after someone cleans house some of the " Good " feeling isn't from getting a whiff of bleach, occasionally. Or, if it works adversely to bacteria or fungus within our bodies. Anyway, just thought I would broadcast this for any past experience anyone has had in this group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2008 Report Share Posted July 18, 2008 I was itching to hear a responce for this question. Strange as the answer may be there is a side affect to your responce. this is at least the second time I can recall cigarettes being brought up in a way that I am finding helpfull. In the end, if this keeps up, I will be forced to quit smoking not from laws or other people but by knowledge. I am not sure I understand the difference in say commercials saying they are not healthy and the things I learn here or while learning about something else But there is a vast difference. When I sit here and think to myself how insane it is to purposly inhale bleach and then it is compared in such a way I am also forced to think of how insane it is to inhale what I know to be in cigerettes. Great analogy Carl. Thanks From: Carl E. Grimes <grimes@...> Subject: Re: [] Bleach Date: Friday, July 18, 2008, 10:55 PM There are a couple of possible explanations why you feel better after using bleach. 1. Not all reactions are experienced in a negative way. Theron Randolph, considered the father of clinical ecology (a term no longer in favor) created a + and - scale of allergy. (all these complex reactions were called allergy 50 years ago). In his book " An Alternative Approach to Allergies " neutral was zero and was the preferred state. Reactions experienced in a negative way ranged from -1 through -4. Reactions experienced in a positive way ranged from +1 through +4. The end result either way was not good. Think about drinking alcohol, or eating lots of ice cream. (when we were still healthy enough to imbibe in those things!) 2. Some reactions shut down others. This is what identifies as masking. Smoking cigarettes and drinking coffee are great masks because they " hide " reactions to themselves and other substances. We feel better but any damage, if it is happening, continues. In her words, " Masking, which may blunt or eliminate responses to chemical challenges, appears to have several components: apposition, which is the overlapping of the effects of closely timed exposures, acclimatization or habituation, and addiction. " http://www.tldp. com/issue/ 210/toxicantin. htm Not everyone reacts in a + way to everything or to all combinations. Likewise, what is a mask for me may induce a severely noticable reaction in you. Individuality rears it complex head once again! Carl Grimes Healthy Habitats LLC ----- > I was wondering if anyone has had any reactions to bleach. > > I am affected by bleach in a positive way and I don't understand why > exactly. One day I had a severe headache prior to spraying some > bleach for a few minutes. Shortly I realized my headache was gone. > Thinking it was just a coincidence I ignored it until, I realized that > everytime I used bleach I had an overall general " Good " feeling with > more energy for a few hours after. > > Realizing that inhalation of bleach can be extremely hazardous, and > even fatal, I avoided it for any length of time. > > I wonder if after someone cleans house some of the " Good " feeling > isn't from getting a whiff of bleach, occasionally. Or, if it works > adversely to bacteria or fungus within our bodies. > > Anyway, just thought I would broadcast this for any past experience > anyone has had in this group. > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > FAIR USE NOTICE: > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2008 Report Share Posted July 19, 2008 does she go into detail about the lesser of evils? and how really hard it would be to practice complete advoidence inless your rich and have people waiting on you hand and foot. does she talk any about possable brain damage that may leave you with somewhat compulsive addictive disorders that you didn't have before? --- In , " Carl E. Grimes " <grimes@...> wrote: > > There are a couple of possible explanations why you feel better > after using bleach. > > 1. Not all reactions are experienced in a negative way. Theron > Randolph, considered the father of clinical ecology (a term no > longer in favor) created a + and - scale of allergy. (all these > complex reactions were called allergy 50 years ago). In his book > " An Alternative Approach to Allergies " neutral was zero and was > the preferred state. Reactions experienced in a negative way > ranged from -1 through -4. Reactions experienced in a positive > way ranged from +1 through +4. The end result either way was > not good. Think about drinking alcohol, or eating lots of ice > cream. (when we were still healthy enough to imbibe in those > things!) > > 2. Some reactions shut down others. This is what > identifies as masking. Smoking cigarettes and drinking coffee are > great masks because they " hide " reactions to themselves and > other substances. We feel better but any damage, if it is > happening, continues. In her words, " Masking, which may blunt or > eliminate responses to chemical challenges, appears to have > several components: apposition, which is the overlapping of the > effects of closely timed exposures, acclimatization or habituation, > and addiction. " http://www.tldp.com/issue/210/toxicantin.htm > > Not everyone reacts in a + way to everything or to all > combinations. Likewise, what is a mask for me may induce a > severely noticable reaction in you. Individuality rears it complex > head once again! > > Carl Grimes > Healthy Habitats LLC > > ----- > > I was wondering if anyone has had any reactions to bleach. > > > > I am affected by bleach in a positive way and I don't understand why > > exactly. One day I had a severe headache prior to spraying some > > bleach for a few minutes. Shortly I realized my headache was gone. > > Thinking it was just a coincidence I ignored it until, I realized that > > everytime I used bleach I had an overall general " Good " feeling with > > more energy for a few hours after. > > > > Realizing that inhalation of bleach can be extremely hazardous, and > > even fatal, I avoided it for any length of time. > > > > I wonder if after someone cleans house some of the " Good " feeling > > isn't from getting a whiff of bleach, occasionally. Or, if it works > > adversely to bacteria or fungus within our bodies. > > > > Anyway, just thought I would broadcast this for any past experience > > anyone has had in this group. > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > FAIR USE NOTICE: > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2008 Report Share Posted July 19, 2008 sorry, I'm a bit grouchy whrn it comes to the subject of quiting smokeing. I don't believe we can ever tottally advoid chemicals/toxins completely. if my smokeing bothered me I'd surely quit. I've lost almost everything except my car that I bought after my exposure because my other car got cross contaminated and I couldn't stand being in it. anyway, there is a level even with a damaged liver which would be different for everyone. as it all comes down to total body load. the high the total body load(toxins in the body) the less resistent you are to a given exposure on any given day. I deal with this and I see it in myself. regardless of my smokeing I have periods of when I fell pretty good. I can fell good and have a bad exposure bring me down and I can fell very bad and any exposure will bring me dowm. now there are some studies where a few times it's been nited that smoking was not a factor. theres been some studies showing it may even help. I just have to say hey, I've learned the hard way that medical science is often wrong. and I think everything depends on dose and I know from my reactions that theres a difference in even cigerette brands and cigars and that there are familys of chemicals and being reactive to one might make you reactive to the others in that family and maybe what you become reactive to after exposure is based on what you were exposed too. but amyway, I could always use the excuse that I could step outside anyday and get hit by a mac truck and when it's our time it's our time. I have had to alter my life so much over this crap I'm pretty much at the end of what I will give up to this stupied disease. in otherwords damn, I never was a drinker and it really pisses me off that I'm basicly suffering from their disease,plus. and I really wish I could enjoy a stiff drink about now. ok, I'm done throwing a fit. I'm just saying hey, if the science was all there maybe we wouldn't be here. blame it on the 60's and 70's, blame it on someone somewhere slacking off big time on their jobs. blame on pure evil and phillip morris and cigerette science. blame it on the lawyers and doctors and their hired thugs. and how screwed up our justice system is. I didn't ask to be here. but I am. I suffered a severe brain injury and no one help me but myself and that took even more years of suffering and I had a major screwing over during that time by many people involved and if the courts can't reconize that a freaking brain injury should be cause for your statue of limitation to be null, they need someone to educate their azzzzes, maybe they need to suffer a brain injury theirself and see how well they can defend theirself. ok, I'm done now. > > > > There are a couple of possible explanations why you feel better > > after using bleach. > > > > 1. Not all reactions are experienced in a negative way. Theron > > Randolph, considered the father of clinical ecology (a term no > > longer in favor) created a + and - scale of allergy. (all these > > complex reactions were called allergy 50 years ago). In his book > > " An Alternative Approach to Allergies " neutral was zero and was > > the preferred state. Reactions experienced in a negative way > > ranged from -1 through -4. Reactions experienced in a positive > > way ranged from +1 through +4. The end result either way was > > not good. Think about drinking alcohol, or eating lots of ice > > cream. (when we were still healthy enough to imbibe in those > > things!) > > > > 2. Some reactions shut down others. This is what > > identifies as masking. Smoking cigarettes and drinking coffee are > > great masks because they " hide " reactions to themselves and > > other substances. We feel better but any damage, if it is > > happening, continues. In her words, " Masking, which may blunt or > > eliminate responses to chemical challenges, appears to have > > several components: apposition, which is the overlapping of the > > effects of closely timed exposures, acclimatization or habituation, > > and addiction. " http://www.tldp.com/issue/210/toxicantin.htm > > > > Not everyone reacts in a + way to everything or to all > > combinations. Likewise, what is a mask for me may induce a > > severely noticable reaction in you. Individuality rears it complex > > head once again! > > > > Carl Grimes > > Healthy Habitats LLC > > > > ----- > > > I was wondering if anyone has had any reactions to bleach. > > > > > > I am affected by bleach in a positive way and I don't understand > why > > > exactly. One day I had a severe headache prior to spraying some > > > bleach for a few minutes. Shortly I realized my headache was > gone. > > > Thinking it was just a coincidence I ignored it until, I realized > that > > > everytime I used bleach I had an overall general " Good " feeling > with > > > more energy for a few hours after. > > > > > > Realizing that inhalation of bleach can be extremely hazardous, > and > > > even fatal, I avoided it for any length of time. > > > > > > I wonder if after someone cleans house some of the " Good " feeling > > > isn't from getting a whiff of bleach, occasionally. Or, if it > works > > > adversely to bacteria or fungus within our bodies. > > > > > > Anyway, just thought I would broadcast this for any past > experience > > > anyone has had in this group. > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > FAIR USE NOTICE: > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2008 Report Share Posted July 19, 2008 where does haveing to get on a nasty airplane with a buch of people with perfume on at the worst time of the year, and haveing just watched a show about how airplane ice is badly contaminated with bacteria, and knowing theres a problem with fungi and bacteria on airplanes, fit on that scale of advoidamce because I'm so dreading haveing to do this. > > > > There are a couple of possible explanations why you feel better > > after using bleach. > > > > 1. Not all reactions are experienced in a negative way. Theron > > Randolph, considered the father of clinical ecology (a term no > > longer in favor) created a + and - scale of allergy. (all these > > complex reactions were called allergy 50 years ago). In his book > > " An Alternative Approach to Allergies " neutral was zero and was > > the preferred state. Reactions experienced in a negative way > > ranged from -1 through -4. Reactions experienced in a positive > > way ranged from +1 through +4. The end result either way was > > not good. Think about drinking alcohol, or eating lots of ice > > cream. (when we were still healthy enough to imbibe in those > > things!) > > > > 2. Some reactions shut down others. This is what > > identifies as masking. Smoking cigarettes and drinking coffee are > > great masks because they " hide " reactions to themselves and > > other substances. We feel better but any damage, if it is > > happening, continues. In her words, " Masking, which may blunt or > > eliminate responses to chemical challenges, appears to have > > several components: apposition, which is the overlapping of the > > effects of closely timed exposures, acclimatization or habituation, > > and addiction. " http://www.tldp.com/issue/210/toxicantin.htm > > > > Not everyone reacts in a + way to everything or to all > > combinations. Likewise, what is a mask for me may induce a > > severely noticable reaction in you. Individuality rears it complex > > head once again! > > > > Carl Grimes > > Healthy Habitats LLC > > > > ----- > > > I was wondering if anyone has had any reactions to bleach. > > > > > > I am affected by bleach in a positive way and I don't understand > why > > > exactly. One day I had a severe headache prior to spraying some > > > bleach for a few minutes. Shortly I realized my headache was > gone. > > > Thinking it was just a coincidence I ignored it until, I realized > that > > > everytime I used bleach I had an overall general " Good " feeling > with > > > more energy for a few hours after. > > > > > > Realizing that inhalation of bleach can be extremely hazardous, > and > > > even fatal, I avoided it for any length of time. > > > > > > I wonder if after someone cleans house some of the " Good " feeling > > > isn't from getting a whiff of bleach, occasionally. Or, if it > works > > > adversely to bacteria or fungus within our bodies. > > > > > > Anyway, just thought I would broadcast this for any past > experience > > > anyone has had in this group. > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > FAIR USE NOTICE: > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2008 Report Share Posted July 19, 2008 how would I have a masking to cigerettes but not to cigars? and wouldn't there be a hudge difference in sniffing clorox and mixing a little in water to clean with? > > does she go into detail about the lesser of evils? and how really > hard it would be to practice complete advoidence inless your rich and > have people waiting on you hand and foot. > does she talk any about possable brain damage that may leave you with > somewhat compulsive addictive disorders that you didn't have before? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 I can remember seeing that on flour bags - I thought it meant SUN bleached or something lol I don't use flour as I have a gluten intolerance however even before I found that out, Dr. said that grains in the USA (not Mexico it is ok) are too moldy so I would not eat it except when I was in Mexico - and you could tell the difference, I thought - it perked you up instead of making you feel like you were full and needed a siesta lol... I think MOLD is one of the worst things you can do for your body so I would only eat grains from Mexico unless Dr. is now finding that it is has gotten moldy in Mexico also??? Dr@...: checksum2@...: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 14:30:25 +0000Subject: Re: Bleach Is not bleach used to whiten breadmaking flour? It usedto be.ce> Thank you cotton for that source. I used not food grade for my> 55 gallon drum for the pool and cleaning and clothes etc and> it was about $150 total for the 55 gallons with no delivery charge> since it was local. > > > > Dr@...: cotteni@...: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 08:32:45 -0500Subject: Re: Bleach> > > > > The place I buy my Food Grade h2o2 is www.dfwx.com/h2o2.htm I think they have the pool type as well. All sizes but shipping is a doozy.Be very careful handling the 35% as it will BURN you. BleachThanks to everyone that responded to my question. If I answered all of them individually it would take up a lot of space. Tp, I was wondering if you would share where you can find hydrogen peroxide 35% in a 55 gallon drum? That sure is a lot. Isn't it kind of flammable?[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 You must use a diluted solution to wash your hands, huh? If I get just a couple of drops of 35% straight on a finger it burns the skin and turns it white. Wash in plenty of water stops the burn but it takes a while for skin to return to normal. Tp, how do you use the 5 gal. jug to purify water? RE: Bleach Yes it will " burn " (STING is what I would say not burn you) but not really bad I use it to replace cleansing my hands with the everclear sometimes when they are real dirty from yard work or whatever and if I am preparing food etc if you have sensitive skin or tender skin maybe be more careful and after scrubing them with borax it __________________________________________________________ Get more from your digital life. Find out how. http://www.windowslive.com/default.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Home2_082008 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 Thanks for the address. a Bleach Thanks to everyone that responded to my question. If I answered all of them individually it would take up a lot of space. Tp, I was wondering if you would share where you can find hydrogen peroxide 35% in a 55 gallon drum? That sure is a lot. Isn't it kind of flammable? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 I sun dry my clothes also ..towels are like you starched them lol... Dr@...: jhodge2355@...: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 10:55:28 -0700Subject: RE: Bleach How long is your wash cycle? If the wash cycle goes for more than 10 min(depending on the hardness of your water). When the cleaning agents breakdown, the gray dinge appears and " washes into the clothes " . And then we putthem in the dryer and bake them in. Personally, I rinse them twice and putbaking soda in the final rinse. And whenever possible, dry them outside. Thesun is the best whitener.Loads of fun, june_____ I have used the borax and baking soda. We have pretty hard water here. Theclothes start looking dingy and grey. Also, the staining problem. Theperoxide sounded like the way to go. I had some at one time but where I gotit is nolonger in business.I use a water filter for drinking water. I read somewhere that you couldneutralize chlorine by putting in some vitamin C. That was very informative info. Thankyoua Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2008 Report Share Posted August 14, 2008 Hi, I am not sure how long my wash cycle is. It is nice to dry clothes outside. Good idea. Mine get stiff too tp. Thanks, a RE: Bleach How long is your wash cycle? If the wash cycle goes for more than 10 min (depending on the hardness of your water). When the cleaning agents break down, the gray dinge appears and " washes into the clothes " . And then we put them in the dryer and bake them in. Personally, I rinse them twice and put baking soda in the final rinse. And whenever possible, dry them outside. The sun is the best whitener. Loads of fun, june _____ I have used the borax and baking soda. We have pretty hard water here. The clothes start looking dingy and grey. Also, the staining problem. The peroxide sounded like the way to go. I had some at one time but where I got it is nolonger in business. I use a water filter for drinking water. I read somewhere that you could neutralize chlorine by putting in some vitamin C. That was very informative info. Thankyou a Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2008 Report Share Posted August 14, 2008 sure and needless to say I put my wash cycle on " stain full cycle " and when I had a top loader I would let it wash for several minutes then just open the top door which would stop the machine and let the clothes soak for 30 minutes or so. Dr@...: plwp@...: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 07:03:56 -0400Subject: Re: Bleach Hi,I am not sure how long my wash cycle is. It is nice to dry clothes outside. Good idea. Mine get stiff too tp.Thanks,a RE: BleachHow long is your wash cycle? If the wash cycle goes for more than 10 min(depending on the hardness of your water). When the cleaning agents breakdown, the gray dinge appears and " washes into the clothes " . And then we putthem in the dryer and bake them in. Personally, I rinse them twice and putbaking soda in the final rinse. And whenever possible, dry them outside. Thesun is the best whitener.Loads of fun, june_____ I have used the borax and baking soda. We have pretty hard water here. Theclothes start looking dingy and grey. Also, the staining problem. Theperoxide sounded like the way to go. I had some at one time but where I gotit is nolonger in business.I use a water filter for drinking water. I read somewhere that you couldneutralize chlorine by putting in some vitamin C. That was very informative info. Thankyoua Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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