Re: estrogen face cream - estrasorb

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Hi Gale,

With Retin-A I would suggest starting slowly. Try it once every three

days at bedtime for a wile, then go up to every other day, then every

day. Too much redness or peeling is a sign that you need to go

slower. Buy the lowest concentration that you can find and start with

that.

Retin-A in a cream base contains ingredients that can clog your pores.

If you are susceptible to the pore clogging thing, buy Retin-A gel

instead of cream. If you buy cream, use a pea sized amount (or

smaller) and dilute with water or another face serum so that the small

amount will spread evenly over your face (as it does not spread well

on its own). With the Retin-A gel, I do not dilute and have to use

more to cover my entire face but it spreads better than the cream (the

concentration of the gel is lower than the cream so I do not think I

am getting a higher dose). Be careful around the creases of your nose

that you do not apply too much (and get irritation and extra peeling).

Also apply sparingly around eyes until you know what your tolerance

is. The eye area may need less than other areas on your face. I

occasionally apply to neck and upper chest—those areas are more

sensitive than my face so I cannot use it there every day. I also

apply it to the backs of my hands when I remember.

I used to have issues with Retin-A causing irritation and facial

redness. I was only able to use it about 3-4 times/week. After I

added copper peptide serum (CP serum) from Skin Biology I was able to

tolerate using the Retin-A every day. I no longer get redness and

have little irritation since I added the copper serum; I think it must

decrease irritation/inflammation.

Be careful with your cleaner if you start Retin-A. You want to make

sure that your facial cleanser does not strip your skin too much.

Right now I like Dr. Bronner's almond castile soap. Also, be careful

if you use a cloth to wash your face because your face may become a

little more sensitive to rubbing than before Retin-A. For the longest

time I could only use my fingers to wash my face, I can finally use a

soft washcloth now (probably because of the CP serum).

I have read that Retin-A can cause people to become more sensitive to

the sun. I have not experienced that issue. It is something to watch

out for though.

The use at bedtime thing is because Retin-A is supposedly inactivated

by light. I like to use mine at bedtime because it works overnight

and if I get any peeling, I can exfoliate that skin in the shower in

the morning (by rubbing lightly with my fingers) and not have a flaky

looking face. If you do get peeling and flaky skin, some facial

makeups can make it look worse so you may need to experiment. I mix

emu oil plus my CP serum to tone down any peeling skin.

Kathy

>> I am just wondering if plain estriol cream

> really helps if applied to > face wrinkles. I mean I wonder if the

> molecules are small enough to > penetrate the dermis, and since the

> face is thin tissue area, it > probably does not retain the estrogen

> for long. Any ideas?>I have found this to work on my skin pretty well.

> I mix Retin-A 0.025%(pea size) and about three drops of estrasorb

> cream and then apply it to my face nightly. It is a bit greasy but I

> put it on pretty early in the evening so it has a chance to absorb. I

> saw about the estrogen being applied to the face in one of my

> dermatology books and thought I would give it a try. I had never seen

> about it being mixed with Retin-A but my skin is very sensitive so I

> used to mix it with a moisturizer but tried the estrasorb instead. BTW

> estrasorb is estradio. Hope this helps.

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Your skin will become more sun sensitive because you are constantly exposing

the newest layers of skin. This happens with glycolic acid as well. For

people with thin sensitive skin, they can get little broken spider veins if

they over do it.

Hyaluronic acid, NAPCA lotion (a humectant) and DMAE work very well on

wrinkles too, plus lots of drinking water.

Karima

I have read that Retin-A can cause people to become more sensitive to the

sun. I have not experienced that issue. It is something to watch out for

though.

The use at bedtime thing is because Retin-A is supposedly inactivated by

light. I like to use mine at bedtime because it works overnight and if I

get any peeling, I can exfoliate that skin in the shower in the morning (by

rubbing lightly with my fingers) and not have a flaky looking face. If you

do get peeling and flaky skin, some facial makeups can make it look worse so

you may need to experiment. I mix emu oil plus my CP serum to tone down any

peeling skin.

Kathy

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Thank you Kathy. You answered all of my questions. I guess it is time to place an order for the .01% gel.GaleKathy wrote: Hi Gale, With Retin-A I would suggest starting slowly. Try it once every three days at bedtime for a wile, then go up to every other day, then every day. Too much redness or peeling is a sign that you need to go slower. Buy the lowest concentration that you can find and start with that. Retin-A in a cream base contains ingredients that can clog your

pores. If you are susceptible to the pore clogging thing, buy Retin-A gel instead of cream. If you buy cream, use a pea sized amount (or smaller) and dilute with water or another face serum so that the small amount will spread evenly over your face (as it does not spread well on its own). With the Retin-A gel, I do not dilute and have to use more to cover my entire face but it spreads better than the cream (the concentration of the gel is lower than the cream so I do not think I am getting a higher dose). Be careful around the creases of your nose that you do not apply too much (and get irritation and extra peeling). Also apply sparingly around eyes until you know what your tolerance is. The eye area may need less than other areas on your face. I occasionally apply to neck and upper chest—those areas are more sensitive than my face so I cannot use it there every day. I also apply it to the backs of my hands

when I remember. I used to have issues with Retin-A causing irritation and facial redness. I was only able to use it about 3-4 times/week. After I added copper peptide serum (CP serum) from Skin Biology I was able to tolerate using the Retin-A every day. I no longer get redness and have little irritation since I added the copper serum; I think it must decrease irritation/inflammation. Be careful with your cleaner if you start Retin-A. You want to make sure that your facial cleanser does not strip your skin too much. Right now I like Dr. Bronner's almond castile soap. Also, be careful if you use a cloth to wash your face because your face may become a little more sensitive to rubbing than before Retin-A. For the longest time I could only use my fingers to wash my face, I can finally use a soft washcloth now (probably because of the CP serum). I have read that Retin-A can cause people to

become more sensitive to the sun. I have not experienced that issue. It is something to watch out for though. The use at bedtime thing is because Retin-A is supposedly inactivated by light. I like to use mine at bedtime because it works overnight and if I get any peeling, I can exfoliate that skin in the shower in the morning (by rubbing lightly with my fingers) and not have a flaky looking face. If you do get peeling and flaky skin, some facial makeups can make it look worse so you may need to experiment. I mix emu oil plus my CP serum to tone down any peeling skin. Kathy >> I am just wondering if plain estriol cream > really helps if applied to > face wrinkles. I mean I wonder if the > molecules are small enough to > penetrate the dermis, and since the > face is thin tissue area,

it > probably does not retain the estrogen > for long. Any ideas?>I have found this to work on my skin pretty well. > I mix Retin-A 0.025%(pea size) and about three drops of estrasorb > cream and then apply it to my face nightly. It is a bit greasy but I > put it on pretty early in the evening so it has a chance to absorb. I > saw about the estrogen being applied to the face in one of my > dermatology books and thought I would give it a try. I had never seen > about it being mixed with Retin-A but my skin is very sensitive so I > used to mix it with a moisturizer but tried the estrasorb instead. BTW > estrasorb is estradio. Hope this helps. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > Get the power of Windows + Web with the new

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Hi Karima,

What DMAE brand and percentage do you recommend?

I bought a bottle of DMAE from Intensive Nutrition 1% one time but did

not rebuy because of my skin care budget. For a wile I was making my

own DMAE serum from DMAE Bitartrate powder but I do not think it works

as well as DMAE in amine form plus my homebrew DMAE Bitartrate has a

low pH and stings and DMAE amine form (Intensive Nutrition above) has

a high pH and does not sting.

Thanks,

Kathy

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> > I have read that Retin-A can cause people to become more sensitive

to the

> > sun. I have not experienced that issue. It is something to watch

out for

> > though.

> >

> > The use at bedtime thing is because Retin-A is supposedly

inactivated by

> > light. I like to use mine at bedtime because it works overnight

and if I

> > get any peeling, I can exfoliate that skin in the shower in the

morning (by

> > rubbing lightly with my fingers) and not have a flaky looking

face. If you

> > do get peeling and flaky skin, some facial makeups can make it

look worse so

> > you may need to experiment. I mix emu oil plus my CP serum to

tone down any

> > peeling skin.

> >

> > Kathy

> >

>

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>> I am just wondering if plain estriol

cream

> > really helps if applied to > face wrinkles. I mean I wonder if

the

> > molecules are small enough to > penetrate the dermis, and

since the

> > face is thin tissue area, it > probably does not retain the

estrogen

> > for long. Any ideas?>I have found this to work on my skin

pretty well.

> > I mix Retin-A 0.025%(pea size) and about three drops of

estrasorb

> > cream and then apply it to my face nightly. It is a bit greasy

but I

> > put it on pretty early in the evening so it has a chance to

absorb. I

> > saw about the estrogen being applied to the face in one of my

> > dermatology books and thought I would give it a try. I had

never seen

> > about it being mixed with Retin-A but my skin is very

sensitive so I

> > used to mix it with a moisturizer but tried the estrasorb

instead. BTW

> > estrasorb is estradio. Hope this helps.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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> > Gale

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I use Retin-A 0.025% cream and I like it because it is not too

strong. I started out using it twice a week and gradually worked up

to daily use. I actually got the estrasorb (estradiol) through Mail

order because I was using it on my skin. It was not effective in

relieving my menopausal symptoms so I kept the boxes and now use it

with the Retin-A daily. I got my Retin-A (prescription) from Canada

and it was much cheaper than the US prices. I like this routine for

my sensitive skin.

Barbar

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Jane,

I also have used rosaderm cream to wash my face and then metrogel

but no more. My dermatologist told me that my skin looked great and

asked me what I was doing. In the AM I cleanse my skin with

cetaphil cleanser made by galderma and it is OTC. I get it at

Walgreen's pharmacy or Publix. After that I apply 5-7 drops of

Obagi Professional Serum 15% Vitamin C and then sunscreen by La

Posey. At night I wash my face with Arcona Berry Fruit Bar Facial

Cleanser and then wait about 30 minutes and then apply about a pea

size of Retin-A 0.025% mixed with about 3 small drops of estrasorb

(estradiol). The estrasorb comes in small individual packages that

contain about 5 mg in the whole package and it lasts me a few

weeks. My skin feels great and I don't have any redness or signs of

rosacea. Be careful with the Retin-A at first because it can be

irritating to the skin until you build up a tolerance. I started

out using it twice a week and now I am on a daily routine. While I

was working up to daily use I continued with the metrogel on the

days I was not using the Retin-A. Let me know how it works for

you. I like the routine and it is not too cumbersome to do. With

sensitive skin I need to be careful. There have been so many

products I have used and they were just too strong on me. Good luck,

Barbara

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> > > I use Retin-A 0.025% cream and I like it because it is not too

> > >

> > > strong. I started out using it twice a week and gradually

> worked up

> > >

> > > to daily use. I actually got the estrasorb (estradiol) through

> Mail

> > >

> > > order because I was using it on my skin. It was not effective

in

> > >

> > > relieving my menopausal symptoms so I kept the boxes and now

use

> it

> > >

> > > with the Retin-A daily. I got my Retin-A (prescription) from

> Canada

> > >

> > > and it was much cheaper than the US prices. I like this

routine

> for

> > >

> > > my sensitive skin.

> > >

> > > Barbar

> > >

> >to be honest I have used Retin-A gel at 0.1%that had microspheres

>

> and that is four times stronger than the 0.025% so it was too

harsh

>

> on my skin. I have had mild rosacea in the past and have it so

>

> under control with my little regimen. My doctor laughed when I

>

> told him what I used and actually thought I got it from a compound-

>

> ing pharmacist. I told him yea Barbara's compounding pharmacy.

>

> Good luck. I had actually seen about the estrasorb in the book

>

> Skin Type Solution by Baumann, MD (dermatologist) so thought

>

> I would give it a try. Since I already was using Retin-A mixed

>

> with a moisturizer thought it wouldn't hurt.

>

> Barbara

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Barbara, Thanks. I will look into getting these product and trying this myself. Janeteboba wrote: Jane,I also have used rosaderm cream to wash my face and then metrogel but no more. My dermatologist told me that my skin looked great and asked me what I was doing. In the AM I cleanse my skin with cetaphil cleanser made by galderma and it is OTC. I get it at Walgreen's pharmacy or Publix. After that I apply 5-7 drops of Obagi

Professional Serum 15% Vitamin C and then sunscreen by La Posey. At night I wash my face with Arcona Berry Fruit Bar Facial Cleanser and then wait about 30 minutes and then apply about a pea size of Retin-A 0.025% mixed with about 3 small drops of estrasorb (estradiol). The estrasorb comes in small individual packages that contain about 5 mg in the whole package and it lasts me a few weeks. My skin feels great and I don't have any redness or signs of rosacea. Be careful with the Retin-A at first because it can be irritating to the skin until you build up a tolerance. I started out using it twice a week and now I am on a daily routine. While I was working up to daily use I continued with the metrogel on the days I was not using the Retin-A. Let me know how it works for you. I like the routine and it is not too cumbersome to do. With sensitive skin I need to be careful. There have been so many products I have used and

they were just too strong on me. Good luck,Barbara> > >> > > > > > New email: NSNdallas@> > > > Visit our new Website at:NSNdallas.com> > > >> > > I use Retin-A 0.025% cream and I like it because it is not too > > > > > > strong. I started out using it

twice a week and gradually > worked up> > > > > > to daily use. I actually got the estrasorb (estradiol) through > Mail> > > > > > order because I was using it on my skin. It was not effective in> > > > > > relieving my menopausal symptoms so I kept the boxes and now use > it> > > > > > with the Retin-A daily. I got my Retin-A (prescription) from > Canada> > > > > > and it was much cheaper than the US prices. I like this routine > for> > > > > > my sensitive skin. > > > > > > Barbar> > >> >to be honest I have used Retin-A gel at 0.1%that had microspheres> > and that is four times stronger than the 0.025% so it was too harsh > > on my skin. I have had mild rosacea in the past and have it

so> > under control with my little regimen. My doctor laughed when I > > told him what I used and actually thought I got it from a compound-> > ing pharmacist. I told him yea Barbara's compounding pharmacy.> > Good luck. I had actually seen about the estrasorb in the book> > Skin Type Solution by Baumann, MD (dermatologist) so thought> > I would give it a try. Since I already was using Retin-A mixed> > with a moisturizer thought it wouldn't hurt. > > Barbara > > > > > > > ---------------------------------> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.>

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