Re: Nobody responded about the estradiol/Progesterone Negative PR

[Guest guest]

I'll respond to the "I love progesterone" post: I

love it too because, as I've said in a past post here, it works like

nothing else has ever worked in terms of helping me sleep at night. It

helps me to fall asleep much much much more easily, and I also sleep

more soundly. I still wake up after five or six hours to pee, which is

a drag because I can't always get back to sleep as easily or quickly as

I'd like, but even so, this is still way better than how I was BEFORE

progesterone. (Note: I am postmenopausal, I have breast cancer although

NED currently, and I am talking about prometrium, not a cream or a

shot; I've tried all three methods of administration, and only the

prometrium pill helps me sleep. I haven't experienced any of the

negative side effects that everyone emphasizes over and over and over

on this list. It doesn't make me depressed, fat, bloated, headachey, or

PMS'y. It does probably make me pee more often, but I'd rather deal

with that than the awful lack of sleep that plagued me POP (prior to

Prometrium).

Best,

Jane U.

lillypilates wrote:

Two points:

1.) Nobody responded to my questions about where else to get the

estradiol so I guess we are all scared of estradiol availability. I

will just stock up where I got it in first place.

2.) All of us respond differently to hormones, and while I realize

there are those of us who do not tolerate progesterone well,as my own

personal guinea pig, I like the progesterone phase of my cycle the

best. I look forward to day 15! I have had my blood progesterone

repeatedly tested on day 21 and I am in good range on that date, so I

hope that everybody who reads this group does not walk away feeling

progesterone is necessarily a bad hormone for them. Everybody is

different, and responds to hormones differently, just like some girls

get cramps, some girls can do natural childbirth, we are all

different! So while I understand that progesteorne is a nightmare for

some people, it is not a nightmare for everybody and I just never read

an "I love progesterone" post. Well, for the last two years, I like

progesterone and it is in good range in my blood.

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I wish Vliet would go into

specifics about her P warnings. She

just cites " new research. "

She doesn't give it to women who have no uterus.

Val

From: rhythmicliving

[mailto:rhythmicliving ] On

Behalf Of lillypilates

So while I understand that progesteorne is a nightmare for

some people, it is not a nightmare for everybody and I just never read

an " I love progesterone " post. Well, for the last two years, I like

progesterone and it is in good range in my blood.

[Guest guest]

I have been reading a lot of books including the Dr. Love, Boston

women’s health collective, a few others that are fairly recent, and

downloads from the menopause society‘s. And they all have the same story,

whether or not they are proponents of hormone therapy (the menopause society

are). Progesterone when added to the estrogen protocol increases risks such

as heart, stroke, gallbladder problems over estrogen alone. This is not new

information, it comes up in books from 2003. But, it takes so long to do

studies and analyze and sift through the data in different ways that the

information only comes out in drips and drabs.

Dr. Vliet’s practice focuses almost entirely on hormones from what I can

tell from her website, so no doubt she keeps up better with the research?

Perhaps she has additional clinical experience with the combination? Her

clinical experience will include observing many more women through the

hormonal lens than many Dr.’s with a more general practice.

There is no study of the differences between women’s use, production etc. of

hormones because no one has yet clued into just how different we can be. I

keep going back to how we were unable to get a positive pregnancy test out

of me, even when I was obviously pregnant. It is so complex and researchers

are having a hard time understanding a grossly generalized conceptual model

never mind one that is more varied.

One of the books I just read even said that recent research belies the

common belief that the ovaries ‘die’ at menopause. It’s now understood that

they continue to produce hormones, just different mix after they stop

ripening eggs. The tests are getting more sensitive, and perhaps the

assumption of useless post menopause ovaries has cracked a bit. Maybe the

fact that there are more women MD’s and researchers than in the past has

helped a little too.

Karima

I wish Vliet would go into specifics about her P warnings. She just cites

" new research. " She doesn't give it to women who have no uterus.

Val

From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ]

On Behalf Of lillypilates

So while I understand that progesteorne is a nightmare for some people, it

is not a nightmare for everybody and I just never read an " I love

progesterone " post. Well, for the last two years, I like progesterone and it

is in good range in my blood.

[Guest guest]

I'll respond to the "I love progesterone" post:

I

love it too because, as I've said in a past post here, it works like

nothing else has ever worked in terms of helping me sleep at night. I

fall asleep much much much more easily now, when I take it an hour or

two before bedtime, and I also sleep

more soundly. I still wake up after five or six hours to pee, which is

a drag, but even so, this is still way better than how I was BEFORE

progesterone.

Note: I am postmenopausal, I had a breast cancer diagnosis two years

ago (but have NED currently), and I am talking about Prometrium, not a

progesterone cream or

shot; I've tried all three methods of administration, and only the

Prometrium pill helps me sleep. I haven't experienced any of the

negative side effects that everyone emphasizes over and over and over

on this list. It doesn't make me depressed, fat, bloated, headachey, or

PMS'y. It "might" make me pee more often (so many possible reasons for

this), but I'd rather deal

with that than the awful lack of sleep that plagued me POP (prior to

Prometrium).

Best,

Jane U.

lillypilates wrote:

Two points:

1.) Nobody responded to my questions about where else to get the

estradiol so I guess we are all scared of estradiol availability. I

will just stock up where I got it in first place.

2.) All of us respond differently to hormones, and while I realize

there are those of us who do not tolerate progesterone well,as my own

personal guinea pig, I like the progesterone phase of my cycle the

best.

--

<b>Jane Underwood</b>

[Guest guest]

I just use the pro-gest over the counter cream made with the USP

progesterone, 3 times a day (1/2 tsp) day 15-when I get period-I had

tried a prescription made with olive oil but hated the greasiness of

it and I prefer consistency of the pro-gest. I just think different

stuff works for different people.

Previously the periods were longer and clottier and now they are

reasonable and fine. I also can tell progesterone is bit of

diuretic. I have take synthroid for 22 years so maybe people with

controlled thyroid issues do better with progesterone.

> >

> > Two points:

> > 1.) Nobody responded to my questions about where else to get the

> > estradiol so I guess we are all scared of estradiol

availability. I

> > will just stock up where I got it in first place.

> > 2.) All of us respond differently to hormones, and while I

realize

> > there are those of us who do not tolerate progesterone well,as my

own

> > personal guinea pig, I like the progesterone phase of my cycle

the

> > best. I look forward to day 15! I have had my blood

progesterone

> > repeatedly tested on day 21 and I am in good range on that date,

so I

> > hope that everybody who reads this group does not walk away

feeling

> > progesterone is necessarily a bad hormone for them. Everybody is

> > different, and responds to hormones differently, just like some

girls

> > get cramps, some girls can do natural childbirth, we are all

> > different! So while I understand that progesteorne is a

nightmare for

> > some people, it is not a nightmare for everybody and I just never

read

> > an " I love progesterone " post. Well, for the last two years, I

like

> > progesterone and it is in good range in my blood.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

If you are using exogenous

estrogen and not still normally cycling, you should be sure to have a periodic vaginal

ultrasound to determine if Progest is protecting your uterus. In one article I read, P cream failed to

protect 32% of women on exogenous estrogen.

Val

From: rhythmicliving

[mailto:rhythmicliving ] On

Behalf Of lillypilates

I just use the pro-gest over the counter cream made with the USP

progesterone, 3 times a day (1/2 tsp) day 15-when I get period-

[Guest guest]

Dear Jane U.

I agree about the prometrium. I have taken it in the past and

sleeping is terrific for me too. I have started on the transdermal

progesterone cream again because I didn't want the medication to

go through my liver but my Dr. assured me that since that was the

only oral Rx drug I was taking not to worry. I took progesterone

troches in the past but OMG I slept great but was also tired all

day long. I had my progesterone levels checked and I was in the

pregnancy range so no wonder I was tired. Glad the prometrium is

working for you because good sleep really helps you to feel better.

Glad that you are a breast cancer survivor.

Barbara

>

> > Two points:

> > 1.) Nobody responded to my questions about where else to get the

> > estradiol so I guess we are all scared of estradiol

availability. I

> > will just stock up where I got it in first place.

> > 2.) All of us respond differently to hormones, and while I

realize

> > there are those of us who do not tolerate progesterone well,as

my own

> > personal guinea pig, I like the progesterone phase of my cycle

the

> > best. I look forward to day 15! I have had my blood progesterone

> > repeatedly tested on day 21 and I am in good range on that date,

so I

> > hope that everybody who reads this group does not walk away

feeling

> > progesterone is necessarily a bad hormone for them. Everybody is

> > different, and responds to hormones differently, just like some

girls

> > get cramps, some girls can do natural childbirth, we are all

> > different! So while I understand that progesteorne is a

nightmare for

> > some people, it is not a nightmare for everybody and I just

never read

> > an " I love progesterone " post. Well, for the last two years, I

like

> > progesterone and it is in good range in my blood.

> >

> >

>

>

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