Re: Question about removing musty odor & THIEVES oil products??

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the tip; for a while I've used Biokleen laundry liquid, and

interestingly, it has grapefruit seed and orange peel. When I use this and

add borax to my laundry, washing things in hot water, it is taking out the

musty odor. So I'm hoping that because clothes and towels, etc. don't smell

musty anymore, the mold has been removed from them? Does anyone know?

A couple other people responded to my note last week, saying that I should

have left all my belongings behind when I moved out of the musty house and

that otherwise I am cross contaminating my new house. I really appreciate

that tip, though it was discouraging to hear that...I wish I would have

known that before I moved. I'd have been willing to leave all stuff behind

if that means regaining health 100%. I'd already tried so hard to pare

things down and get rid of a lot of things before moving, hoping that I had

gotten rid of enough, such that I wouldn't be risking further mold exposure.

It was only after I got moved into the new house that I realized just how

badly and musty things smelled.

So after getting that advice last week, I got rid of a bunch more

things--have essentially gotten rid of all furniture. I repacked all books

and put them back in boxes in the basement till I can deal with them. I

found some advice online re: using various things--baking soda, charcoal,

etc.--to remove musty smell from books. I will try that when I have the

energy and time to do so. I can't throw away all my books--I work from home

with my own business, and getting rid of everything would destroy my

business, and I don't have the money to replace literally everything. Being

sick for so long has hindered my income.

Has anyone used thieves oil, and if so, how did it work? Would getting a

really good air purifier help to rid the air at my new place of any mold

spores? If so, what brand/type of air purifier is good?

I was cleaning out hair and gunk from bathroom drains today (they were

stopped up), and a little while later I starting feeling really rotten and

fatigued. Does this gunk have mold in it? I'm wondering whether this is what

made me feel really fatigued, and whether I'm hypersensitive to any mold

exposure now?

Just moved out of the moldy house about 10 days ago. How long does it take

to start feeling better? I'm finding that some days I feel better than

others. Is this typical? Some symptoms have already improved--hair loss, eye

puffiness, pale skin, nervous system, etc. One of my worst lingering

symptoms is fatigue. Some days, I feel more fatigue than I did just before

moving, but I'm wondering whether moving stirred up a bunch of mold, in the

process of moving possessions, and whether that therefore released a lot of

spores into the air? I'm wondering why on some days, I seem to feel worse

than I did before moving from the moldy, musty house?

Any detox advice in effort to get healthy more quickly? Epsom baths?

Antioxidants? The mold-free diet? Other?

UGH what a mess...this experience seems to be as bad as having one's home

destroyed in a tornado or fire.

[Guest guest]

Theives Oil is great! I've been burning it 3 weeks now almost non

stop where my A/C intake is and my house smells fresh and clean and

am also using the Inner Defense gelcaps (Theives Oil and 231 mg of

Virgin Coconut Oil .... I am switching off between the gelcaps and

nystatin. I am also waitiing for my PB8 and IntestiNew to go along

with the Multi-probiotics and the Candistroy, so I can start a

Candida Elimination Program and to try and repair my leaky gut. All I

can say is do research on the Theives Oil....I will be doing the

gallblader and liver flushes inbetween and eating alkaline foods to

get my PH back insinc. Whew.... I wish there were 1 magic pill to

Detox. I'm on overload with both Chemical and Fungal. I do not sell

any products and I am only giving my opinion. Once again I stress, Do

your own research and find what works best for you.

[Guest guest]

On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 1:36 AM, Judy <riverwords@...> wrote:

>

> Thanks for the tip; for a while I've used XXXXX laundry liquid, and

> interestingly, it has grapefruit seed and orange peel. When I use this and

> add borax to my laundry, washing things in hot water, it is taking out the

> musty odor. So I'm hoping that because clothes and towels, etc. don't smell

> musty anymore, the mold has been removed from them? Does anyone know?

>

That sounds like a MIRACLE. Because many of us have found that nothing

effectively takes that odor out for a very long time.

You are a very lucky woman or your mold exposure wasn't that serious.

> A couple other people responded to my note last week, saying that I should

> have left all my belongings behind when I moved out of the musty house and

> that otherwise I am cross contaminating my new house. I really appreciate

> that tip, though it was discouraging to hear that...

Few of us can afford to throw out everything we own and start over from scratch.

But it does cross-contaminate your new home and slow your recovery.

I guess it depends on how much your time and your stuff is worth and

your financial cushion.

For bad exposure, many professionals find they can't return to what they did.

They can't think fast enough or hold enough in their brains at one time.

Others, people with less demanding jobs, often find that after two or

three years, they can go

back to working part time or from home.

The question of what you were doing for those years comes up, its a difficult

one to answer to a potential employer.

I wish I would have

> known that before I moved. I'd have been willing to leave all stuff behind

> if that means regaining health 100%.

What it means is that the amount you might get worse is reduced by the

amount of contamination in your stuff,

but even so, people often continue to get worse, depending on the

climate.If you live in an area with humid summers and falls where

lots of leaves rot, the mold in the air in those seasons may make it

hard to recover - that will represent new exposure...

Thats why many people move to the arid Southwest or mountain areas

where it is very dry.

I'd already tried so hard to pare

> things down and get rid of a lot of things before moving, hoping that I had

> gotten rid of enough, such that I wouldn't be risking further mold exposure.

> It was only after I got moved into the new house that I realized just how

> badly and musty things smelled.

>

Yes, thats exactly what happened to most of us.

> So after getting that advice last week, I got rid of a bunch more

> things--have essentially gotten rid of all furniture. I repacked all books

> and put them back in boxes in the basement till I can deal with them. I

> found some advice online re: using various things--baking soda, charcoal,

> etc.--to remove musty smell from books. I will try that when I have the

> energy and time to do so. I can't throw away all my books--I work from home

> with my own business, and getting rid of everything would destroy my

> business, and I don't have the money to replace literally everything. Being

> sick for so long has hindered my income.

>

Yes, yes.. thats what happened to me too.

> Has anyone used thieves oil, and if so, how did it work?

To assist thieves in taking your money? No just kidding..

" work " what do they advertise it as doing, making them slippery?

Would getting a

> really good air purifier help to rid the air at my new place of any mold

> spores? If so, what brand/type of air purifier is good?

>

The combination of a Heat Recovery Ventilator and a HEPA air cleaner

is a good one.

HRVs start at around $400, HEPA air cleaners start at around $200 for

one with the

capacity to clean a large room.

But the most important thing is being in a new home that does not have

mold or lots of formaldehyde..

(pressboard) and making sure it gets ventilated year round..

> I was cleaning out hair and gunk from bathroom drains today (they were

> stopped up), and a little while later I starting feeling really rotten and

> fatigued. Does this gunk have mold in it? I'm wondering whether this is what

> made me feel really fatigued, and whether I'm hypersensitive to any mold

> exposure now?

>

Dust tends to have mold in it..

> Just moved out of the moldy house about 10 days ago. How long does it take

> to start feeling better?

Its a continupis process. Its been around two years for me and I am

still not better.

I can function semi normally though, but I have still not been able to

do the kind of work I used to do.

Your mileage may vary.

> I'm finding that some days I feel better than

> others. Is this typical? Some symptoms have already improved--hair loss, eye

> puffiness, pale skin, nervous system, etc. One of my worst lingering

> symptoms is fatigue. Some days, I feel more fatigue than I did just before

> moving, but I'm wondering whether moving stirred up a bunch of mold, in the

> process of moving possessions, and whether that therefore released a lot of

> spores into the air? I'm wondering why on some days, I seem to feel worse

> than I did before moving from the moldy, musty house?

>

Thats because you got a lot of exposure at the end, and also because

your stuff still

has mold in it. You may want to put everything in storage for a few

years and then

sort it all out when you feel better.

> Any detox advice in effort to get healthy more quickly? Epsom baths?

> Antioxidants? The mold-free diet? Other?

>

What has helped me the most is CHOLESTYRAMINE. Ask your doctor about it.

It is a " anion exchange resin " that helps detoxify your body..

Nothing else has been comparable.

As far as supplements, antioxidants, fish oil, NAC,

Acetyl-l-carnitine, ALA, quercetin, etc.

Good luck. Make sure you get plenty of fresi air and stay away from

those slippery thieves!

> UGH what a mess...this experience seems to be as bad as having one's home

> destroyed in a tornado or fire.

>

Not AS bad but close..

[Guest guest]

Has anyone used thieves oil, and if so, how did it work? Would

getting a really good air purifier help

Judy,

Two people over here with chemical intolerance and one of us can

handle the Thieves products and one cannot at all. I think it matters

if you have chemical intolerance. I wouldn't buy it until you have

taken a big whiff to see if you react to it.

Same with air purifiers...We are so hyper sensitized that every

purifier tried so far hasn't worked for us. After about a week, the

smells from the unit, the filters, or the irritants it traps can cause

us to react. It depends how reactive one is. Maybe you could purchase

one and ask about their return policy in case you react.

Any detox advice in effort to get healthy more quickly? Epsom baths?

Antioxidants? The mold-free diet? Other?

Yes, to all of the above. Dr. Pall's antioxidant protocol seem to help

(NFI) and epsom baths daily, and mold free diet for sure. This is a

long process...I've been at it for four years now so this getting

healthy takes time to peel off the layers step by step. There is no

quick heal in my opinion. I think it depends how long one was exposed

and to what regarding healing.

[Guest guest]

We have tried to be really careful about what we brought in from our house. No

books, furniture at all, nothing at all really except for the few clothes that

we washed in gse repeatedly. As per filters that can be tricky and may depend on

what you have going on. I had two Austin Air Health Mates Pluse units in a temp

place that ended up having mold in the hvac (masked initially by fragrances we

got rid of) and our units after only two-three weeks were smelling just like a

lesser version of the house-- fragrant and musty. We had to clean them with

solutions of gse and citrisafe about three times and later replaced the filters

and they now work fine. But it took that short of a time for them to get funky.

Maybe some other units like AllerAir might do better. Have also heard of TRACS

which is made for people with mcs and they claim that their uv lights sit in the

center of the units air filter and overtime kill molds and viruses, etc. I'm

looking into it,

but am concerned that I believe that they have a permanent pre-filter in there

that I don't think can be replaced. That doesn't sound good. Haven't yet been

able to reach the company.

The experts here will know much more than I could hope to share. But if your

problem in the home is excessive, air filters will only be very temporary until

they too like us, get contaminated.

Regards,

Jac

ps - what is thieve's oil?

> interestingly, it has grapefruit seed and orange peel. When

> I use this and

[Guest guest]

Do you think that thieve's oil would get rid of any fragrant smells in air

ducts? Anything anyone know that might work?

> Theives Oil is great! I've been burning it 3 weeks now

> almost non

[Guest guest]

Thank you for this concise reply, Live. It was really helpful in many ways to

affirm and confirm.

Jac

> > Thanks for the tip; for a while I've used XXXXX

> laundry liquid, and

[Guest guest]

Re: hepa room filters. I'm beginning to think if you aren't in as

clean a place as you'd like to be, a room air cleaner with a less

expensive filter replacement cartridge, like plain hepa, rather than

Health Mate with the charcoal and zeolite, etc, so you can change it

out more frequently without breaking the bank, is best. I got the

Health Mate and within a year had to replace all three filters and it

was just so expensive that if I feel they need replacing again, I'll

probably just turn them off. Sears, and Environcaire, have some hepa

air cleaners that were not as expensive, so I imagine the replacement

cartridges would be a little more reasonable. Now if you are in a

clean home and so wouldn't need to replace cartridges for long time the

Health Mate with the zeolite and charcoal may be nice. In a way

though, I don't want to absorb odors because I want to know if

something is 'going wrong'.

>

>I had two Austin Air Health Mates Pluse

[Guest guest]

Barb,

Those replacement filters are quite expensive. But if you had to replace them

after a year, Austin Air is suppposed to offer you at least a pro-rated cost for

them. This is my first experience with them. I'm hopeful that this round will

last a while. The other cheaper suggestions are good except be careful if you

are sensitive chemically. I bought a honeywell unit and it stunk of plastic so

bad we had to return it. Even my " healthy " friends couldn't tolerate it.

We've also had the same problems with dehumdifiers smelling awfully of burnt or

bad plastic. We had to buy a unit for our new place and went through three

different brands that all stunk terrribly. We finally found an all metal one by

a company called Haier and it seems fine except for the fact that it is noisy.

there is indeed something different in the plastic being used in the past few

years as we've owned dehumidifers with plastic as recently as a few years ago

and they were fine. I've been sensitive to chemical odors for some time so it's

not a new thing. I just think that the processing and materials are getting more

toxic.

So there is a dlimena between buying cheaper and not buying products that can

cause other problems. Maybe there is happy medium somewhere as these units are

expensive. If anyone knows of any please do let me know.

Does anyone have a dehumidifier unit that they would recommend as

non-off-gassing, quiet and effective?

Many thanks,

Jac

>

> Date: Monday, August 11, 2008, 7:49 PM

> Re: hepa room filters. I'm beginning to think if you

> aren't in as