RE: Re: Here we go again - FDA Cracking down on Bioidenticals, especially ESTRIOL

[Guest guest]

, not all doctors

" push estriol. "

Certainly, mine doesn't. I

think a lot of " natural " ones are stuck in the Lee,

era and do not keep up with research.

Val

From: rhythmicliving

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Val - once and for all, I would like to know why doctors keep pushing

the estriol instead of estradiol. And why wasn't it FDA approved?

[Guest guest]

Don't quote me on this, but

I think it is the way they are compounding it. I know estriol is approved as a vaginal

cream. I don't believe it is

approved as an oral. According to

what Vliet said in her email, too many compounders are calling bio-identical

hormones " safe. " There has

never been adequate research to prove that. I'm sorry but didn't save her

email. You might find something on www.herplace.com

Val

From: rhythmicliving

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Actually Val, the doctor who gives daily medical reports on CBS

actually stated that the FDA wants the compounders to stop using

estriol because it is not FDA approved. But how could doctors be

giving us prescriptions for it if it is not FDA approved?

[Guest guest]

another reason not to watch the news - false and misleading and sensationalist info....>

To: rhythmicliving From: merryr@...Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 16:45:02 +0000Subject: Re: Here we go again - FDA Cracking down on Bioidenticals, especially ESTRIOL

It makes no sense. I think CBS misquoted. > >> > This was on CBS "Early Show" this morning. Take note of the sentence > > regarding estriol. Did any of you know it was ILLEGAL to sell this > > in the US????? I have NEVER heard this. What on earth is going on > > with that FDA? Like anything they approve is okay!!! What a joke! > > > > See below: > > > > > > > > Government health officials began cracking down Wednesday on Internet > > sales of custom-mixed hormones for menopausal women, a market created > > when doctors deemed prescription estrogen therapy too risky for many > > patients. > > > > But the Food and Drug Administration says these alternative hormone > > mixes are no safer, and the agency told seven makers to stop claiming > > they are. The FDA also said some mixes contain estriol, which is > > illegal to be sold in the U.S. because the FDA has not approved it > > for any use. > > > > In letters to the pharmacies, the FDA said the claims about > > the "bioidentical hormone replacement therapy" (BHRT) products are > > not supported by medical evidence and that the pharmacy operations > > are breaking the law by making false and misleading claims about the > > drugs. > > > > "We want to assure that Americans receive accurate information about > > the risks and benefits of drug therapies," the FDA's chief medical > > officer, Dr. Janet Woodcock, said in a statement. > > > > The agency said it is concerned that the claims for safety and > > effectiveness mislead patients, doctors and other health care > > professionals. > > > > In addition to citing the menopausal use, some pharmacies claimed the > > products could prevent or treat serious diseases, including > > Alzheimer's, stroke and some cancers, the agency said. Officials said > > there is no credible evidence to support those claims. > > > > Dr. Kathleen Uhl of the agency's office of women's health said the > > FDA does not know how widely these drugs are used. But the said the > > FDA has received a growing number of questions about them. > > > > Women need to know that all drugs have both benefits and risks, and > > that patients should discuss them with their doctor, Uhl said. > > > > The FDA urges women to take the lowest effective dose of hormone > > replacement drugs that it has approved for menopausal symptoms. > > > > The agency does not review compounded, or custom-mixed, drugs for > > safety and effectiveness, and encourages patients to use FDA-approved > > drugs whenever possible. > > > > A 2002 study found replacement hormones made by drug companies raised > > the risk of heart attacks, breast cancer and strokes. Since then, > > many women have turned to the estrogen, progesterone and testosterone > > products sold by compounding pharmacies. > > > > Medical researchers concluded in 2003 that hormone replacement pills > > should be taken only as a brief treatment to help women cope with the > > worst symptoms of menopause. > > > > The drug company Wyeth later complained to the FDA about the Internet > > sales of compounded products. > > > > L.D. King, executive director of the International Academy of > > Compounding Pharmacists, charged that the FDA's action will deny > > hundreds of thousands of women access to many commonly compounded > > bioidentical hormones, "substituting its judgment for that of > > doctors." > > > > > >> Share life as it happens with the new Windows Live. Start sharing!

[Guest guest]

I 'was' using EstroGel until my health coverage decided to not accept it.

Now I use compounded estradiol gel, which they didn't cover before. They

both seem to work the just fine so I'm not complaining.

Sam

=====

> Hello,

>

> Do any of you use estrogel or do you use a compounding pharmacist to

>

> make up your preparation. I am on bi-est and really do feel great

>

> and have tried estrasorb which is estradiol only and have never felt

>

> as good as I do on biest. I have done so much reading my mind is

>

> like mush. Please help.

>

>

> Barbara

>

>> > >

>> > > , not all doctors " push estriol. " Certainly, mine doesn't.

> I

>> > think a

>> > > lot of " natural " ones are stuck in the Lee,

>

>> > era and do

>> > > not keep up with research.

>> > >

>> > > Val

>> > >

>> > > From: rhythmicliving

>> > <mailto:rhythmicliving%40yahoogroups.com>

>> > [mailto:rhythmicliving

>> > <mailto:rhythmicliving%40yahoogroups.com> ]

>> > > On Behalf Of

>> > >

>> > >

>> > > Val - once and for all, I would like to know why doctors keep

>> > pushing

>> > > the estriol instead of estradiol. And why wasn't it FDA

> approved?

>> > >

>> > >

>> >

>>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I went to my local natural pharmacy and asked what doctors they would recommend who are natural medicine and hormone friendly. They were very helpful and gave me a list.

Karima

So again, how does one find the " proper " doctor for hormones? It

would be virtually impossible to find someone unless you know what

they prescribe and how do you ask this question??

>

> , not all doctors " push estriol. " Certainly, mine doesn't. I

think a

> lot of " natural " ones are stuck in the Lee,

era and do

> not keep up with research.

>

> Val

>

> From: rhythmicliving <mailto:rhythmicliving%40yahoogroups.com>

[mailto:rhythmicliving <mailto:rhythmicliving%40yahoogroups.com> ]

> On Behalf Of

>

>

> Val - once and for all, I would like to know why doctors keep

pushing

> the estriol instead of estradiol. And why wasn't it FDA approved?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Since I have done a ton of reading, I am finding that the doctors who write

books, are all missing some important piece of the puzzle. Those that think

it is too dangerous to take hormones are recommending endocrine disrupters

like soy, phyto-estrogens and herbs, such as the National Women’s Health

collective (they strongly lobbied for the WHI Study). I can’t figure out why

anyone would think that they are safer than hormones, they have had less

definitive study than hormones.

Herbs downright scare me, I have had weird experiences with them. Dr. Love

warns against meat, but doesn’t take into consideration the historical human

diet. She also recommends statins and those bone replacing drugs

bisphosphonates. As if any pharmaceuticals are safe, most of them are not.

She trusts rat studies about soy and bones (but is still one of the most

balanced, rational writers I have read on the subject, which is sorely

lacking in those qualities).

Karima

Well, it is YOUR body.

Speaking of being out of touch. My chiropractor couldn't believe I was

using estradiol. She said I should use some progesterone cream and that

would provide enough estrogen for me. Ouch. I smiled and nodded. Went

home and put my estradiol on.

Val

From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ]

On Behalf Of

- he POO POOS my research!! I've even brought him studies and he

still believes what he believes!

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