Re: Position paper from American Academy of Environmental...

[Guest guest]

Carl is absolutely right. This war between the evidence based medicine

crowd and those who seek new and out of the box treatments to help the

environmentally ill has been waging for quite sometime. There was a

documentary out a

couple of years ago called the " Tomato Effect " . It detailed how true

environmental physicians and researchers often get attacked by the EBM crowd.

This

is partially because the true environmental treating physicians are a threat

to several industries such as insurance, chemical manufacturers, etc. And

the reason for that is because if the environmental treating physicians

treatment protocols are effective at ridding the body of the chemical (both

manmade

and biological) then he goes toward proof of causation of illness. Evidence

based medicine itself is not the problem. Of course medicine should be based

on evidence. The problem is WHO is being allowed to decide what is

evidence. Very nasty and long running game that many of us have gotten caught

in the

middle of. With regard to the mold issue and what ACOEM did, occupational

physician insiders call it " Iffy Based Medicine " .

Sharon Kramer

In a message dated 8/14/2008 10:49:26 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

grimes@... writes:

> I don't understand why this hasn't made more of a stir.

AAEM is not the Alpha Dog of medical associaitons, that's why.

But the reason they aren't the Alpha Dog is because they are

conducting innovative research and they are doing something

many physicians don't do: Take care of their patients no matter

what is wrong with them or their environment. Look at who the

Alpha Dogs are and see how they treat patients. They call it

evidence-based medicine but they conduct it as evidence-only

medicine. And the evidince rarely comes from the patient.

Carl Grimes

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[Guest guest]

It's obvious to me that so much energy is being directed to cast doubt

and confustion around the various doctors and protocols, like cholestyramine

BECAUSE they work, and because they unmask the sources of illness, making

it possible for the formerly overwhelmingly ill to suddenly see WHERE

their exposures

are coming from and WHEN. By feeling the effects of mold in a clearer way.

With less background noise.

That is tremendously threatening to them.

On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 7:19 AM, <snk1955@...> wrote:

>

> Carl is absolutely right. This war between the evidence based medicine

> crowd and those who seek new and out of the box treatments to help the

> environmentally ill has been waging for quite sometime. There was a

> documentary out a

> couple of years ago called the " Tomato Effect " . It detailed how true

> environmental physicians and researchers often get attacked by the EBM

[Guest guest]

seems like a very big part of this cover up is probably based on the

fact that most drugs are a " make you fill better drug " not a cure,

and gee if anyone actually get's cured of a illness you wont be

spending money on those cover up drugs anymore, now that just didn't

fit in with how the drug industries make their money, does it.

[Guest guest]

Sharon,

That's a new term for me, " Iffy Based Medicine. "

So, if Iffy gets the patient well and EBM doesn't, which do they go

with? EBM, of course, because they never try the Iffy to find out.

Like yesterday when the contractor for my HOA came out to

repair water damage from a leaky skylight. He said he didn't need

to open the ceiling because if he can't see mold then there is no

mold. I asked how he knew that.

He said, " I've never found mold inside. "

I asked, " Have you ever opened a water damaged ceiling? "

He said, " No, I've never had to. "

So I asked, " If you've never opened a water damaged ceiling how

do you know whether mold is inside or not? "

He said, and I kid you not, " Obviously you think you know more

about mold than I do. "

And he left.

If the docs never try the Iffy they'll stay with the EBM (or,

Evidence ONLY Medicine, as I call it).

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

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>

> Carl is absolutely right. This war between the evidence based medicine

> crowd and those who seek new and out of the box treatments to help the

> environmentally ill has been waging for quite sometime. There was a

documentary out a

> couple of years ago called the " Tomato Effect " . It detailed how true

> environmental physicians and researchers often get attacked by the EBM crowd.

This

> is partially because the true environmental treating physicians are a threat

> to several industries such as insurance, chemical manufacturers, etc. And

> the reason for that is because if the environmental treating physicians

> treatment protocols are effective at ridding the body of the chemical (both

manmade

> and biological) then he goes toward proof of causation of illness. Evidence

> based medicine itself is not the problem. Of course medicine should be based

> on evidence. The problem is WHO is being allowed to decide what is

> evidence. Very nasty and long running game that many of us have gotten

caught in the

> middle of. With regard to the mold issue and what ACOEM did, occupational

> physician insiders call it " Iffy Based Medicine " .

>

> Sharon Kramer

>

>

> In a message dated 8/14/2008 10:49:26 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

> grimes@... writes:

>

> > I don't understand why this hasn't made more of a stir.

>

> AAEM is not the Alpha Dog of medical associaitons, that's why.

> But the reason they aren't the Alpha Dog is because they are

> conducting innovative research and they are doing something

> many physicians don't do: Take care of their patients no matter

> what is wrong with them or their environment. Look at who the

> Alpha Dogs are and see how they treat patients. They call it

> evidence-based medicine but they conduct it as evidence-only

> medicine. And the evidince rarely comes from the patient.

>

> Carl Grimes

> Healthy Habitats LLC

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget?

> Read reviews on AOL Autos.

>

(http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut000300\

00000007 )

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

sirry for typo's ya all, forgeting to check, the state fair is here and

the air is just really bad. it's trying to rain, that would help.

>

> seems like a very big part of this cover up is probably based on the

> fact that most drugs are a " make you fill better drug " not a cure,

> and gee if anyone actually get's cured of a illness you wont be

> spending money on those cover up drugs anymore, now that just didn't

> fit in with how the drug industries make their money, does it.

>

[Guest guest]

lol's Carl, that's funny but not, a good example of what so many of

us deal with everywhere we turn,on every road we take, with so many

roads to follow. it seems few care about anything anymore and not

many go that extra mile to help others,quite sad.

[Guest guest]

Can anyone tell me how to obtain the names of the studies or anything about

documented

studies this position was based on? We all know it is true, but I have been ask

by a

physician and I don't know what to provide or where to find it.