Re: Update from the OK Corral

[Guest guest]

Answer the questions anyway and let Kelman's attorney object. The jury will

hear what

you have to say and that is what matters.

[Guest guest]

Sharon,

Make sure you keep notes of what they do.

After its all over, the ways these shysters are addressing this might

represent a very

important and useful look for the commmunity into

the denial camp's main weapon, which seems to be an information blockade,

not unlike the information blockade around China, for example.

It seems almost as if they might be trying to block or stamp out

things that don't agree with their viewpoint.

The deniers and trivializers out there intuitively know that any real

debate might easily and blatantly expose that the

issue is a very complex one, not at all like they say, and its also

one that dramatically hurts people,

but mostly poor, voiceless people. People without power in courts. So

they might well do anything to avoid that

debate on their own motives or the science. Biy, I wouldn't want to be

in their shoes!

This strategy could easily backfire...

So, even though perhaps they are trying to make this simply about raw

power and coercion. They probably didn't count

on your bringing it all out into the open.

There is another court, the court of public opinion.

These types rarely do realize how they may look when their strongarm

tactics are exposed

Its not what they are used to,

they tend to operate behind the scenes in part because the cronyism

they often represent is basically corruption.. its ugly..

and it represents a side of America that many would prefer to think

doesn't exist.

On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 8:45 AM, <snk1955@...> wrote:

> Dear All,

>

> Thank all of you who sent words of support yesterday. Greatly appreciated.

>

> This trial stuff is pretty weird business if you ask me. We did not even

> get far enough to pick a jury yesterday.

>

> There is a BUNCH of stuff Kelman wants kept out of this libel suit. Like

> the Wall Street Journal article, all of my published writings, my advocacy

> work

> in DC. Senator Kennedy's GAO audit request. And all the groups that are

> supporting the need for a Congressional hearing into the conflicts of

> interest

> of the matter.

>

> The judge does not appear to be getting it as to why I wrote the phrase

> " altered his under oath statements " PLURAL " statements " . She is focusing on

> one

> alliteration, which is exactly what Kelman wants her to do. We got a brand

> new

> judge yesterday. She knew virtually nothing of the case other than what she

> has read from prior rulings.

>

> VeriTox does not want to go into the science one iota. If you were a

> scientists who was claiming your reputation had been defamed, wouldn't you

> want to

> go into the science?

>

> I am going to have a hard time explaining to the jury why Kelman was

> waffling when describing the relationship of ACOEM and the US Chamber of

> Commerce

> paper when forced to discuss them together in front of a jury without going

> into his little feat of scientific magic.

>

> You can read his testimony in question and my press release here.

> _http://moldwarriors.com/SK/index.htm_

> (http://moldwarriors.com/SK/index.htm)

>

> The judge may not get why he was " altering his under oath statements " , but I

> know all of you do. So we are not going to discuss Kelman's " science " aka

> " marketing " . So it is going to be very weird when I get on the witness

> stand.

> How do I answer questions for the jury of why Kelman was altering without

> being able to answer questions?

>

> We will see what today brings. ...C'est la vie! Whatever happens in the

> court case, I am not shutting up about Kelman applying mathematical

> extrapolations to a study of rodents and from there, concluding that humans

> claiming of

> illness from " toxic mold " are simply a result of " trial lawyers, media hype

> and junk science " .

>

> BTW, did anyone read the USA Today about the soldiers at Fort Sills being in

> moldy environments?

> _http://www.usatodayhttp://wwwhttp://wwhttp://www.http://www_

> (http://www.usatoday.com/news/military/2008-08-17-mold_N.htm)

>

> Guess who the Department of Justice hired to defeat the claims of illness in

> children in military housing at Fort Sills. And guess which position paper

> they relied on to say these children's symptoms " could not be " from their

> moldy military housing.

>

> See Coreen Robbins and Bruce Kelman in vs. US attached.

>

>

>

>

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> deal here.

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>

>

[Guest guest]

why was there a different Judge? did someone request it? or did the

other one have a conflict?

>

> Dear All,

>

> Thank all of you who sent words of support yesterday. Greatly

appreciated.

>

[Guest guest]

That is the main problem in these cases they they try to get so much

thrown out. I pray that Sharon's lawyers know how to stop these

tactics. You go in thinking that the truth will set you free and so

much of the time you don't get to tell the entire story. So many

judges don't get it. Wonder if some how the court house in Miami and

Ft Lauderdale can be mentioned where that judge passed away and many

people were getting sick at work. It might not be related but then it

is about mold and the facts being denied to everyone including court

houses. I am not sure of all the details that are aloud in the case

but there could be some sympathy since it was a court house. Just a

thought.

>

> Dear All,

>

> Thank all of you who sent words of support yesterday. Greatly

appreciated.

>

> This trial stuff is pretty weird business if you ask me. We did

not even

> get far enough to pick a jury yesterday.

>

[Guest guest]

I am assuming that your attorney has requested a dvd of the trial. DVD's

are better than written transcript, as you can " see " and hear the

responses.Here in Vegas you get a copy of the DVD at the end of the day.

Makes it easy to " review " it and see by body language what they are

uncomfortable about etc. Then going back and revisiting the " hot " responses.

[Guest guest]

What do you mean you can't answer question? I don't get that. Does

anyone understand that??

>

How do I answer questions for the jury of why Kelman was altering

without

> being able to answer questions?

>

[Guest guest]

yes, its par for the course.

Is it at all surprising? Its certainly fits the pattern as I see it.

On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 7:39 PM, barb1283 <barb1283@...> wrote:

> What do you mean you can't answer question? I don't get that. Does

> anyone understand that??

>

>

>>

> How do I answer questions for the jury of why Kelman was altering

> without

>> being able to answer questions?

>>

>

>

[Guest guest]

There is no one filming the trial.

>

> I am assuming that your attorney has requested a dvd of the trial. DVD's

> are better than written transcript, as you can " see " and hear the

> responses.Here in Vegas you get a copy of the DVD at the end of the day.

>

> Makes it easy to " review " it and see by body language what they are

> uncomfortable about etc. Then going back and revisiting the " hot " responses.

>

[Guest guest]

Can you record the trial? I have an MP3 player that in a pinch can

record somethung like 20 continuous hours of audio.. it was $50

since it uses flash memory, its is completely silent.. no tape noise at all..

Do it... just for your own memory.. They are so small you can keep it

in a pocket and nobody will know.

We would like to hear what went down... or you could transcribe it...

[Guest guest]

You have to have the judges position and it is too late for that.

Forgive me for answering for Sharon, but I know she is tied up with the trial

and these were

questions I knew the answer to.

>

> Can you record the trial? I have an MP3 player that in a pinch can

> record somethung like 20 continuous hours of audio.. it was $50

> since it uses flash memory, its is completely silent.. no tape noise at all..

> Do it... just for your own memory.. They are so small you can keep it

> in a pocket and nobody will know.

>

> We would like to hear what went down... or you could transcribe it...

>

[Guest guest]

This is very common in mold-related cases.  Remember, the goal of the insurance

industry is to keep the truth from coming out.  And, they have billions of

dollars to use toward this goal.  They are following the same strategy that was

used by the tobacco companies to hide the truth about tobacco for 50 years. 

[] Update from the OK Corral

Dear All,

Thank all of you who sent words of support yesterday. Greatly appreciated.

This trial stuff is pretty weird business if you ask me. We did not even

get far enough to pick a jury yesterday.

There is a BUNCH of stuff Kelman wants kept out of this libel suit. Like

the Wall Street Journal article, all of my published writings, my advocacy work

in DC. Senator Kennedy's GAO audit request. And all the groups that are

supporting the need for a Congressional hearing into the conflicts of interest

of the matter.

The judge does not appear to be getting it as to why I wrote the phrase

" altered his under oath statements " PLURAL " statements " . She is focusing on one

alliteration, which is exactly what Kelman wants her to do. We got a brand new

judge yesterday. She knew virtually nothing of the case other than what she

has read from prior rulings.

VeriTox does not want to go into the science one iota. If you were a

scientists who was claiming your reputation had been defamed, wouldn't you want

to

go into the science?

I am going to have a hard time explaining to the jury why Kelman was

waffling when describing the relationship of ACOEM and the US Chamber of

Commerce

paper when forced to discuss them together in front of a jury without going

into his little feat of scientific magic.

You can read his testimony in question and my press release here.

_http://moldwarriors .com/SK/index. htm_ (http://moldwarriors .com/SK/index.

htm)

The judge may not get why he was " altering his under oath statements " , but I

know all of you do. So we are not going to discuss Kelman's " science " aka

" marketing " . So it is going to be very weird when I get on the witness stand.

How do I answer questions for the jury of why Kelman was altering without

being able to answer questions?

We will see what today brings. ...C'est la vie! Whatever happens in the

court case, I am not shutting up about Kelman applying mathematical

extrapolations to a study of rodents and from there, concluding that humans

claiming of

illness from " toxic mold " are simply a result of " trial lawyers, media hype

and junk science " .

BTW, did anyone read the USA Today about the soldiers at Fort Sills being in

moldy environments?

_http://www.usatoday http://wwwhttp: //wwhttp: //www.http: //www_

(http://www.usatoday .com/news/ military/ 2008-08-17- mold_N.htm)

Guess who the Department of Justice hired to defeat the claims of illness in

children in military housing at Fort Sills. And guess which position paper

they relied on to say these children's symptoms " could not be " from their

moldy military housing.

See Coreen Robbins and Bruce Kelman in vs. US attached.

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[Guest guest]

> Can you record the trial?

I would suggest the same thing strongly! I have been in courts in CA

where the transcripts looked NOTHING like the actual testimony in the

courtroom.

[Guest guest]

Its true.. Money talks, and civil servants make very low wages.....

On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 2:31 PM, salzberglver3 <salzberglver3@...> wrote:

>

>> Can you record the trial?

> I would suggest the same thing strongly! I have been in courts in CA

> where the transcripts looked NOTHING like the actual testimony in the

> courtroom.

>

>

[Guest guest]

lol's, how do they manage with all that head bobbin going on,lol's,

oh, well,nevermind.

[Guest guest]

kind of like doctors that say one think and write something else in

your records. :[

>

>

> > Can you record the trial?

> I would suggest the same thing strongly! I have been in courts in CA

> where the transcripts looked NOTHING like the actual testimony in the

> courtroom.

>

[Guest guest]

>

> kind of like doctors that say one think and write something else in

> your records. :[

Yes, recently a family member has a new HMO plan and the doctor wrote

his diagnosis on a post it for him, and handed it to him, and did NOT

write it in the medical file.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/21/2008 6:33:36 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

quackadillian@... writes:

Good luck, Sharon,

Thanks. LOL The biggest thing I am having a problem with, is that for over

three years I have listened to attorneys, judges, etc, interpret my words and

I have not been able to speak myself. Now that I can, I want to tell it

all. But the witness stand is not the place to do that.

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[Guest guest]

Good luck, Sharon,

Hopefully, the jry will be as angry at them for wasting their time as

we are at them for trying to steal our lives.

On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 8:21 AM, <snk1955@...> wrote:

> Dear All,

>

> My attorney says I can't give you all updates from OK Corral because we

> actually have picked the jury and are underway as of yesterday. I think I

> can

> tell you that Dr. Kelman testified yesterday and so did Dr. Robbins. I sat

> in

> my first witness chair at the end of the day yesterday.

>

> I think I did okay. I start again this morning. We THINK we are going to be

> done today. And a verdict on Monday.

>

> Sharon

>

[Guest guest]

OK Group,

PRAY<PRAY<PRAY, Pray for the jury to see the truth, pray for the judge to show

integrity, Pray for Sharon and all the people helping her.  Pray that the good

lord bring them unmeasurable strenght, wisdom, protection,and and the most

important LOVE, HOPE and FAITH.   May the Good lord work a miracle in that court

room!

AMEN!

From: snk1955@... <snk1955@...>

Subject: [] Update from the OK Corral

iequality ,

Date: Thursday, August 21, 2008, 4:21 AM

Dear All,

My attorney says I can't give you all updates from OK Corral because we

actually have picked the jury and are underway as of yesterday. I think I can

tell you that Dr. Kelman testified yesterday and so did Dr. Robbins. I sat in

my first witness chair at the end of the day yesterday.

I think I did okay. I start again this morning. We THINK we are going to be

done today. And a verdict on Monday.

Sharon

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[Guest guest]

AMEN..

Really.. regardless of what your beliefs are, send

GOD/G-d/Allah/Yaweh/Bokonon/ etc. and SHARON that wish, that energy,

that hope..

Prayer works.. (even I can see that and I am not the churchgoing type at all..)

Sharon is a FIGHTER for JUSTICE....

On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 11:44 AM, a Townsend

<kmtown2003@...> wrote:

> OK Group,

> PRAY<PRAY<PRAY, Pray for the jury to see the truth, pray for the judge to

> show integrity, Pray for Sharon and all the people helping her. Pray that

> the good lord bring them unmeasurable strenght, wisdom, protection,and and

> the most important LOVE, HOPE and FAITH. May the Good lord work a miracle

> in that court room!

> AMEN!

>

> -

[Guest guest]

Good luck Sharon, I know what you mean regarding wanting to say it

all. Save it for your book or movie deal. I have been discouraged

lately with all my water problems but I will say prayers tonight.

Everyone is usually in my prayers but haven't said them for a week or

so.