Re: Impairment of immune response / trichothecenes

[Guest guest]

Yes, yes yes..

If you look up papers by Ueno (I am pretty sure that is the spelling,

he's Japanese)

he has written EXTENSIVELY on this..

He is one of the world experts on mycotoxins and antibiotics..

(most ANTI-BIOtics are mycotoxins or are based on them..)

Around a year ago I was also talking with a leading research

toxicologist (not anybody who has ever been mentioned here, but

somebody who is working with the issues we deal with - in the

regulatory arena..)

and when I brought trichothecenes and also cyclosporin (in

stachybotrys) up,, they gave me a long and detailed explanation of why

these particular kinds of immunomodulatory toxins CAN and DO cause all

sorts of autoimmune reactions. (There is a huge, very comprehensive

document published by the WHO on this..)

THE ONLY QUESTION THAT THE DENIERS ARE ARGUING ABOUT IS DOSE,

AND THEY DELIBERATELY MISSTATE THINGS AND IGNORE OTHER IMPORTANT

THINGS - like inhalation toxicity being

so much higher than even ingested, and also that these things have

been PROVEN to be SYNERGISTIC and that MANY ARE STILL UNDISCOVERED..

and UNANALYZED..

This was a private phone conversation with somebody who is on the

inside of this whole mess.. a real expert.. a world expert..

I don't know if they

would want me to use their name.. somebody who is in a sense,

officially, professionally, on the other side..

We all should know though.. in private, they often agree with us..

they do not say its impossible or even unlikely..

they say ONLY that it hasn't been unequivocably PROVEN, YET..

I've spoken with a lot of these people..

I get the impression that they often think it will be.. soon..

On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 3:49 AM, happyruiam <happyru@...> wrote:

> immune system is linked to the inhibitory effect of trichothecenes

>

> (http://www.inchem.org/documents/ehc/ehc/ehc105.htm#SectionNumber:2.5)

>

> II.4.2.5 Impairment of immune response

>

> Experimental animal studies show that some trichothecenes affect

> the immune system and thereby modify the immune response. The

> impairment comprises the following functions: antibody formation;

>

> allograft rejection; delayed hypersensitivity; and blastogenic

> response to lectins. As a consequence of the impairment, decreased

> resistance to microbial infection has been experimentally

> established. It is likely that the impairment of the immune system

> is linked to the inhibitory effect of trichothecenes on macromolecule

> synthesis.

>

>

[Guest guest]

did you read further?  Tricothecenes are rarely found to cuase human illness?? 

I think if we look closer, you'll find Sudakin buried in there some where.

 

I maybe wrong becuase lord knows what those trics did to my brain.

K

From: happyruiam <happyru@...>

Subject: [] Impairment of immune response / trichothecenes

Date: Friday, August 29, 2008, 11:49 PM

immune system is linked to the inhibitory effect of trichothecenes

(http://www.inchem. org/documents/ ehc/ehc/ehc105. htm#SectionNumbe r:2.5)

II.4.2.5 Impairment of immune response

Experimental animal studies show that some trichothecenes affect

the immune system and thereby modify the immune response. The

impairment comprises the following functions: antibody formation;

allograft rejection; delayed hypersensitivity; and blastogenic

response to lectins. As a consequence of the impairment, decreased

resistance to microbial infection has been experimentally

established. It is likely that the impairment of the immune system

is linked to the inhibitory effect of trichothecenes on macromolecule

synthesis.

[Guest guest]

I keep side tracking but this is what I NEED to be learning about. I have these

tricothesines from Stacky in my system. I also took a direct HUGE inhalation of

them in " that " house which explains alot and cant help but think this is vital

info for my legal issue. I find myself so scared of the truth sometimes I just

give up. Then someone brings this up again. Keep doing this plaese. Did I just

spell that that way. I did, and instead of just correwcting it I am going to

waste all this time dramatizing about the astupid mistake. Why? Ahh whatever.

From: LiveSimply <quackadillian@...>

Subject: Re: [] Impairment of immune response / trichothecenes

, " Sharon Kramer " <snk1955@...>,

quackadillian@...

Date: Saturday, August 30, 2008, 4:43 PM

Yes, yes yes..

If you look up papers by Ueno (I am pretty sure that is the spelling,

he's Japanese)

he has written EXTENSIVELY on this..

[Guest guest]

Just go to PubMed and start plugging in words like " stachybotrys " add

one or two other words like " inhalational " look at abstracts to hone

in on specific areas, write down the MeSH terms, and start following

related articles..

If you spend an hour or two learning the way they work, it will be

even more productive.. You can have their system email you results or

save them in a clipboard (the system will only remember them for

around 8 hours so you need to print them out at the end)

PubMed is at http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez

On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 10:26 PM, United States Vet

<unitedstatesvet@...> wrote:

> I keep side tracking but this is what I NEED to be learning about. I have

[Guest guest]

Live, impairment of immune responce, let me see if I can lay it out

for you. biotoxin damaged pathways> while exposed in DMB,WDB'S,

foriegn toxic invaders which also cause oxidative stress cause

fribrotic pathway damage through which every paths they

take,inhalation>all the way through to the bowels and through the

sinuses to the brain. posioning blood and csf,also and with the

oxidative stress (NITRIC OXIDE/PERIOXIDE EFFECTS)punching holes and

breaking down brain barriors also causeing damage in the brain.

multiple organ and system damage,fribrotic pathways/buitoxin pathways.

damage done while exposed is healable depending on level of

damage,healable pathways vs. fribrotized pathways that may be

permenent. fribrotic pathways that dont heal leave you and your

innate immune system still fighting further exposures, the more

damage,the more you body/innate immune system is still going to be

activated just like it was while exposed. the brain damage dependent

on which routes,sinus to brain,bbb and csf inflamation/os>from

possable other organs,spinal,lungs,liver,kidneys,ect. all these

routes can suffer damage. weaker organs will suffer damage first and

worst at lower doses, at high doses nothings protected if your liver

and mucus system gets overloaded and badly damaged. liver damage adds

to the level of damage in the stomach/bowel,brain,kidney function.

lesions in white and gray matter in certain areas can and do show the

pathsways tooken with exposure that went to the brain.

axonal damage and reorganization/wrong neuron pathways can cause a

multitude of problems in that area. sinus>olfactory>amagdala>limbic.

vision. brain fog to siezures depending on damage.mood disorders.

build up of neurons with delayed fight or flight responces,than wammo

and this can be intence and later depending on axonal regrowth can

cause strange effects. yes, what you were exposed to,myco's

bacterias,chemicals and their familys matters as those will be what

you are mist hypersentive to, but the level of damage,of fribrotized

(as in burnt/fried) pathways well goveren how bad you remain reactive.

mycotoxins may cause certain effects depending on the type, so do

some chemicals, but the damage caused by multiple contributors while

exposed and after alls said and done the damage you are left with and

those easy access pathways goverens the effects. eithout this organ

and system damage,you than are left with being hyper-reactive to what

you were exposed to and I think this is still a disfunction of

olfactory>neuron build up,delayed flight or fight responce and

possably a RAD even with pretty mild exposures as the lungs are the

first affected even though it might not be noticed immeditly. I dare

to say that the sinuses and it's mucus system can and dose withstand

a heavier dose before suffering major damage but even still

mycotoxins can and are makeing their way through to the brain but at

low doses that may not really be reconized by the person either. from

my own experience at the begining of my exposure, mycotoxins in

general attack first the weakest organs,and also are specific organ

attackers depending on type. at higher and multiple types and with

bacterias and voc's and chemicals offgassing and everything else

involved in damp moldy buildings I dont think it matters .

effects to the innune system are the same as they were while exposed,

they are still doing the same damage control. plus or minus possable

mutations in genes possable. for those without major organ,system

damage,getting out may be all they need to recover,csm will help get

the toxins out,so may other detox methods. while we are all colonized

during exposure, getting out gives our immune system a chance to

catch up. the more damaged organs and systems the more our innate

immune system well have to continue fighting our continueing daily

exposures to the real world.