Re: Re: Inhalational Toxicity, Immunotoxicity of Trichothecenes, Probiotics, etc.

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The first paper is another example of a paper that shows that

inhalational (through your lungs, from the air) toxicity is

substantially worse than eaten toxins.. The ACOEM and a number of

other denial-oriented defense arguments ignore the known difference

between inhalational and ingested toxicity and use the lower figures,

they also use other criteria that are chosen to imply that mold cannot

be toxic to people's lives as if one could function in a situation

where one isn't necessarily being killed, and is sick. but has not

developed symptoms that can be directly seen like lesions or gross

changes in biological parameters like heart rate..

We have a lot of subtle needs like cognition that don't get measured.

Animals can't speak.

Here's another interesting paper.

Jeanine, thanks for posting all the VIP stuff.

The Journal of Immunology, 2007, 178: B107.

Pulmonary Expression of Vasoactive Intestinal Peptide in a Murine

Model of Allergic Asthma

Amali Eashani Samarasinghe, Alan Hoselton and Jane Marie Schuh

Veterinary and Microbiological Sciences, North Dakota State

University, Van Es Hall, Centennial Blvd, Fargo, ND, 58105

Abstract

Chronic allergic asthma is maintained by a Th2-type immune response

and is characterized by persistent inflammation of the airways, goblet

cell metaplasia, smooth muscle cell hyperplasia, and airway

remodeling. Among its many roles, Vasoactive Intestinal Peptide (VIP)

is a cytokine known to regulate lymphocytes, macrophages, mast cells,

and natural killer cells. We investigated the distribution of VIP in

naïve versus allergic mice that had been sensitized and challenged

with live Aspergillus fumigatus fungal spores. In situ staining

revealed that, although naïve animals produced VIP in the vascular

endothelium, the presence of VIP-positive cells in and around the

airways is minimal. Allergic mice, however, displayed exaggerated VIP

expression in the bronchial epithelium of large and small airways,

Type II alveolar cells, and resident macrophages. Recruited

macrophages, eosinophils, and lymphocytes were also VIP-positive.

Expression of VIP in allergic mice was maximal at days one and three

after antigen challenge. Airborne delivery of spores increased the VIP

production in distal airways above that seen when the challenge was

delivered intratracheally in liquid. The basal epithelial cell layer

was conspicuously and persistently negative for VIP expression in all

samples. We hypothesize that cells in this layer secrete neutral

endopeptidase (NEP) which is responsible for cleaving VIP in the

healthy lung.

On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 10:09 PM, who <jeaninem660@...> wrote:

> lol's it means if your tummy hurts your

> sinuses,head,neck,lungs and airways might hurt 3 times worse.

> and your liver and bowel's are in a world of....! hows that for a

> quick answer?

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>> Live, I cant begin to read all this much less understand it, Maybe

> you can tell me in " stupid me " terms what this means. My thoughts of

> what I can tell is that they are trying to explain a difference in

> ingestion or inhalation of the toxins from stackybotrous which I can

> only asume I had bolth.

>> If it is airboure that it only takes a dummy like me to assume it

> will get on something you ingest like a glass of water or lther stuff

> so I am not clear on what this says.

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[Guest guest]

Now why dont the docs know this crap. This really gets my goat because while I

could be sitting potentialy dying from this, whith the lesions, changes in heart

conditions, bile that is covered with MASS amounts of mucous, possiable but

probable liver issues. Nothing. No one will, can or what to do a dang thing.

I know for fact, I have 1.46ppb of tricothesines STILL in my system regardless

of the CSM, Anti fungals, etc and no one but you freaking tells me this.

I gotta tell you I have about had it with this nonscence and my patience is

running real thin. I hate to act like this but I am miles underneath a bad mood

rite now. To much crap going on and there isnt a dang thing I can do about any

of it. I inhaled the *%%^ out of it and who cares.

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

You have every right to be pissed!!

From: United States Vet <unitedstatesvet@...>

Subject: Re: [] Re: Inhalational Toxicity, Immunotoxicity of

Trichothecenes, Probiotics, etc.

Date: Wednesday, October 1, 2008, 9:48 AM

Now why dont the docs know this crap. This really gets my goat

because while I could be sitting potentialy dying from this, whith the lesions,

changes in heart conditions, bile that is covered with MASS amounts of mucous,

possiable but probable liver issues. Nothing. No one will, can or what to do a

dang thing.

I know for fact, I have 1.46ppb of tricothesines STILL in my system regardless

of the CSM, Anti fungals, etc and no one but you freaking tells me this.

I gotta tell you I have about had it with this nonscence and my patience is

running real thin. I hate to act like this but I am miles underneath a bad mood

rite now. To much crap going on and there isnt a dang thing I can do about any

of it. I inhaled the *%%^ out of it and who cares.

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Good post Jeanine.

Im right there with ya.

E

[Guest guest]

I feel the same as you do.  I am very pissed off that the insurance companies

and others are allowed to get away with this crap.  By lying about the health

effects of toxic mold, they are killing people and causing a lot of illness and

suffering.  The tobacco companies did the same thing for 50 years before the

truth finally came out.  Now the insurance companies are using those same

so-called experts to lie about toxic mold.  If the government would put some of

the insurance company CEOs and their attorneys and their so-called experts in

prison, then maybe they would stop these lies and deception.  Remember what

happened with Enron, WorldCom and Tyco.

Re: [] Re: Inhalational Toxicity, Immunotoxicity of

Trichothecenes, Probiotics, etc.

Now why dont the docs know this crap. This really gets my goat because while I

could be sitting potentialy dying from this, whith the lesions, changes in heart

conditions, bile that is covered with MASS amounts of mucous, possiable but

probable liver issues. Nothing. No one will, can or what to do a dang thing.

I know for fact, I have 1.46ppb of tricothesines STILL in my system regardless

of the CSM, Anti fungals, etc and no one but you freaking tells me this.

I gotta tell you I have about had it with this nonscence and my patience is

running real thin. I hate to act like this but I am miles underneath a bad mood

rite now. To much crap going on and there isnt a dang thing I can do about any

of it. I inhaled the *%%^ out of it and who cares.

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Adrean!

Hey save it so when anyone in the CDC doubts or denies the negative health

results of Stachy we can test their theory and have their family live in it. Im

sure only then would they consider the health implications of stachy. I mean how

many more families have to suffer before they warn people about it?

Good Post Adrean!

[Guest guest]

Im not even kidding of my anger at the moment but dont even get me started on

the whole cigarette thing. I mean for real.

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

The current administration shares a lot of responsibility for

suppressing changes in standards and laws that would allocate

responsibility to the various parties appropriately - and get people

treatment.

Also, a LOT of houses are sitting vacant right now, many are probably

growing mold. They need remediation before they are occupied.

They need to save some of our money that they are thinking of giving

to the Wall Street folks for that!

[Guest guest]

LOL, no not at all, Its these damn thing I puff on. I de be better off if my

parents were haroin addicts and I picked that up. At least there would be hope.

lol Seariously though not at you at all..

 

 

From: healthyhayashis <amhayashi@...>

Subject: [] Re: Inhalational Toxicity, Immunotoxicity of

Trichothecenes, Probiotics, etc.

Date: Wednesday, October 1, 2008, 9:05 PM

If your anger reply was directed at me, it was not my intention to

offend you. Or piss you off even more.

Best wishes to you.

[Guest guest]

Naw, Itll just get covered up.

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Ya and to beat all after they sit some more the government is going to sell them

back to us. You know, to make some of the money back for us....

Thats another subject I will refrain my comments any further on. And NO I dont

agree with what they are doing...

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Their job these days is mostly political. All Federal agencies are

controlled by political appointees, they have the actual power, and

they have been tasked with NOT DOING ANYTHING to hurt and doing

everything they can to help *BUSINESS INTERESTS*.

Their job is to NOT do anything, not to do things. To NOT do things.

The science is irrelevant to the people who approve or disprove

changes in rulemaking and indeed, many of them have no scientific

experience, many were originally lobbyists for industries that were

regulated. I can't explain it any better than that. I know it doesn't

make sense, but that's America these days.

For years, many career civil servants and scientists have been taking

early retirement. When you speak to many of the ones who are left, the

subtle message is " dont expect help from us, we can't help you, we are

trying not to rock the boat and keep our jobs "

So, no they can't admit anything.