Re: Live: Your Hypothetical Scenario, or Real Scenario ;)

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Jill,

Why do people need to HIRE lawyers to get treated properly?

With so much at stake, the importance of people being treated

properly, is ALL important..

Regardless of their income.. Regardless of their health status. People

should NOT be made sick..

What savings could possibly be worth that?

Most people don't have the money to hire a lawyer, even though the

stakes for them are huge, being sick for years, perhaps the rest of

their lives, and/or possibly losing their home and all or most of what

they own, and possibly not being able to find a place because there

aren't any they can afford, and having to move far far away.

To explain my scenario, I had to put on my party face for a moment,

pretending this isn't the emotional issue it s for me..

The truth, but detached.. clinical..

So we met at a cocktail party.. and you told me the truth from your

perspective.. too..

Can you see that the threat to the working class urban dwellers of

this country is real?

On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 11:48 PM, jill1313 <jenbooks13@...> wrote:

>

> >I understand your scenario.

>

> >And it may indeed be hard to move. For instance, I have a perfect

> credit record and rent record stretching back decades. I am never late

> on my rent or any bill. Nonetheless, I need to produce proof that I

> earn 40 times the monthly rent of any apartment I want in a good area

> in any of the 5 boroughs now...>

>

>

A perfect credit record isn't good enough, if you don't have the " dough re mi "

>

> >OTOH, as far as a sickbuilding goes----it is often individual. There

> is a couple in my building.

The building you rent an apartment in?

>They had suffered no ill health

> effects from mold problems in their place though they complained, it

> was a Class B violation,

What does that mean?

>and was serious enough that the city ordered

> remediation in which the landlord had to put them up elsewhere at his

> expense for 2 weeks *and* the place had to be decontaminated after

> remediation. But the tenant told me he doesn't even recall the species

> of mold and that he had no ill health effects (I believe him, he goes

> to the gym in shorts even in the winter).

>

many of us have trouble remembering things..

But, actually, isn't that (the way this played out for your lucky neighbors)

the way this is SUPPOSED to work? But almost NEVER does?

THEY, unlike us, WEREN'T made ILL- They also got their home back, in

TWO WEEKS, and it was SAFE.

They are still healthy, and they still have a home. When was the last

time you heard of that happening here?

Sure, it must be EXPENSIVE putting people up in hotels in Manhattan,

but if that is shwt it takes to get this outcome, if that is what it

takes to get a property owner to actually hire a remediation firm and

contain mold while its cleaned up, in ashort enough time so that the

tenants don't have to move, GREAT!

A rare success story. An EFFECTIVE incentive for them to FIX the

problem and not drag their feet..

In SF, they only have to pay $1000. And they can take as long as they want.

Sometimes a three day job is stretched out to months.. They usethe

cost of hotels as a way to evict tenants..

Requiring landlords to put up tanants in safe good hotels..store their

belongings..if necessary, professionally, and requiring that they

perform the remediation professionally, in the shortest possible

time.. MAKES SENSE...

(NOT welfare hotels.., nice hotels..is PERHAPS THE ONLY WAY..)

>

> >So, it is individual, what is a sick apartment or building unless its

> " poison " mold...we're all so individual. Some have no reaction at all,

> others have allergies, others have immune suppression etc.

These outcomes start making sense when you see them again and again..

there are a number of variables and they need to be understood.

Its not some big mystery..

>

> >A lawyer I know, just got a $115,000 buyout for a client in a studio

> apartment. That's very good for a studio.

Unless you NEED to rent another one.. and can't ..

>The landlord started out

> saying they never give more than $30K for a studio and that's that.

That's that..

> Well they filed some kind of human rights claim, I don't know the

> details, and voila, a year later, almost triple the #.

>

Don't forget the lawyer gets at least 30%

> >It's a delicate dance. And as you said homeless on the street is more

> stressful in many cases than mold at home (unless again, its serious

> poison mold).

I didn't say it was more stressful.. I said that both were very

dangerous.. and terrifying..

Studies have shown that many older displaced people die..

They have nowhere to go.. Would you have somewhere to go?

You brought up testing - you know that its often shows false negatives.. right?

>

> >Plus I'm not confident remeidation, for the mold sensitive, is always

> a good idea. Could release lots of spores.

What's a better alternative?

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