Guest guest Posted October 5, 2008 Report Share Posted October 5, 2008 I'll have to look up the info. for you. I think his e-mail is doccroft@.... I'll try to find the phone number. It should also be on his biopsy report. I know there has been some more discussion today about treating dogs. My vet was willing to prescribe CSM for my dog but I ended up doing Croft's natural protocol. Below is what I wrote a few months ago. My dog's blood tests are now ALL normal. I'm keeping him on this diet/protocol. But whatever you can do for your dog is better than nothing. Remember he/she might also need a laxative with the CSM. Not the L-Cysteine has made my dog urinate more often. This is what I shared a few months back: " Since I have found this board to be such a sharing group, wanted to update folks on what happened with my dog - mostly so it can help others. After having lost so much, I don't know what I would do if I had to lose my dog too right now. In brief, Dr. Croft's protocol really helped my dog. I started him on organic vegetables and meat, no carbs at all, twice a day. I gave him about 1/3 of a capsule (he's 23 pounds) of the amino acid L-Cysteine twice a day as well. He had a new blood test within 6 weeks of starting this and his triglycerides had dropped 400 points to a normal range of 200. My vet called it a miracle. I've kept him on this diet and the L-Cysteine, though I give him more like 1/4 capsule 2x a day now. I obviously don't know the long-term damage he has sustained but right now he seems out of immediate danger. K " > > > > I'm new to the group, so glad to have found it and have done some > > searches here on " dogs " , " csm. " According to a skin biopsy from Dr. > > Croft, I'm suffering mid stage II Trichothecene Mycotoxicosis after > a > > year of exposure. I'm working on getting an appt. with Dr. > Shoemaker > > and have a call into Dr. Croft, who is a vet, about his > > recommendations. > > > > My dog and I have been out of the mold for over 6 months and though > > he seems so much better, I realize the toxins could still be > damaging > > his organs and he could be far worse off than I think. He's 23 lbs. > > Can any of you share what you have done to treat your dogs? Have > you > > used CSM? At what dosage? I have a good vet who is open-minded. Has > > anyone tried charcoal? Any and all suggestions welcome. > > > > He's currently taking a teaspoon of flax seed oil, 200 mg > Gemfibrozil, > > 225mg Denosyl and 200 mg Milk Thistle, per day. > > > > I'm most concerned because some of his blood values have gone up > since > > we moved out, not down. Here is a summary of the problem values: > > > > Glucose Sept: 106 (normal) Feb: 51 (low) > > Total Protein Sept: 7.3 (normal) Feb: 7.8 (high) > > Alk. Phosphtase Sept: 588 (high) Feb: 994 (high) > > Alt (SGPT) Sept: 204 (high) Feb: 256 (high) > > Ast (SGOT) Sept: 69 (high) Feb: 30 (normal) > > Cholesterol Sept: 328 (normal/high) Feb: 364 (high) > > Calcium Sept: 11.4 (normal) Feb: 11.8 (high) > > Triglycerides Sept: 179 (high) Feb: 650 (high) > > > > As of Feb., BUN Creatinine ratio, globulin, lipase and his platelet > > count were high. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2008 Report Share Posted October 5, 2008 Katsdream, I meant to send this direct to you but sent to group instead but perhaps someone else will want info too. Re: L-Cysteine I know he recommends this amino acid. Do you know what it is supposed to do, detox? Thanks --- In , " katsdream17 " <katsdream17@...> wrote: > > > I'll have to look up the info. for you. I think his e-mail is > doccroft@... I'll try to find the phone number. It should > also be on his biopsy report. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2008 Report Share Posted October 5, 2008 Watch out for plain L-Cysteine. I have no doubt that it is helping him, but NAC - n-acetylcysteine- is much better.. Its easier to find in health food stores, too. I've tried to explain the differences and similarities and why they are important to Bill Croft, but he may not have remembered. Activated charcoal can save animals from a wide range of toxins. I don't know the half life of mold toxins in dogs blood but they may also store in fat. Whatever is working for him is good. I had a dog a long time ago who had a tumor on his heart and was gven six months to live and I kept him alive for more than five years on a diet similar to what you are describing. He lived to a decent doggie age of eleven before the tumor finally got him. > In brief, Dr. Croft's protocol really helped my dog. I started him on > organic vegetables and meat, no carbs at all, twice a day. I gave him > about 1/3 of a capsule (he's 23 pounds) of the amino acid L-Cysteine > twice a day as well. He had a new blood test within 6 weeks of > starting this and his triglycerides had dropped 400 points to a normal > range of 200. My vet called it a miracle. I've kept him on this diet > and the L-Cysteine, though I give him more like 1/4 capsule 2x a day > now. I obviously don't know the long-term damage he has sustained but > right now he seems out of immediate danger. > > K. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 So how does one go about giving CSM or activated charcoal to a dog? It is best on an empty stomach, so maybe just shove the pills down? I can talk my dog into a lot of things, but... I have been giving her the cysteine and milk thistle for quite awhile, and she is not too much better. She is much more happy and cheerful, and seems to be suffering less, but she still has weeping sores on her belly. They are not infected, and are only on the surface of the skin. So they looks like very red patches. Also her skin in other patches is scaly, and red. The vet called it inflammation, and allergy. Maybe we are still getting exposed... or she is too old- she is about 13 or maybe 14. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 Are you doing the no-carbs/no-yeast diet too? That is essential. The CSM is a powder so you could maybe put it on her food. > > So how does one go about giving CSM or activated charcoal to a dog? > It is best on an empty stomach, so maybe just shove the pills down? I > can talk my dog into a lot of things, but... > > I have been giving her the cysteine and milk thistle for quite awhile, > and she is not too much better. She is much more happy and cheerful, > and seems to be suffering less, but she still has weeping sores on her > belly. They are not infected, and are only on the surface of the skin. > So they looks like very red patches. Also her skin in other patches > is scaly, and red. The vet called it inflammation, and allergy. > Maybe we are still getting exposed... or she is too old- she is about > 13 or maybe 14. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 Thanks for that info. I'll look into NAC - n-acetylcysteine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 Yes, I am. She likes green beans alot :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 Live, I've seen the N-acetylcysteine in the store and wondered if there was a connection between that and L-Cysteine. There is a Bill Croft in this group. Do you mean him or do you mean Croft, phd, who is not in this group, you tried to explain difference to???? Why do you say " watch out for " L-Cysteine? Did you have side effects? --- In , LiveSimply <quackadillian@...> wrote: > >> I've tried to explain the differences and similarities and why they > are important to > Bill Croft, but he may not have remembered. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 How is her liver. Mold toxins can damage liver and liver problems can cause skin rashes. L-Cysteine caused me rash also when I tried it but at the time almost everything was causing me rash. I told Dr Croft and he said to stop the Cysteine then as it must have been too much for my system. You could back down to a lower dose of Cysteine to see if skin looks better or maybe even stop it to see if skin responds. I was thinking of trying the Cysteine again since I seem to be tolerating things better now than I used to. --- In , " kl_clayton " <kl_clayton@...> wrote: > > > I have been giving her the cysteine and milk thistle for quite awhile, > and she is not too much better. , but she still has weeping sores on her > belly. They are not infected, and are only on the surface of the skin. > So they looks like very red patches. Also her skin in other patches > is scaly, and red. The vet called it inflammation, and allergy. > Maybe we are still getting exposed... or she is too old- she is about > 13 or maybe 14. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 That is interesting- she refused her food with the supplements this morning, and I noticed how much worse her skin is this afternoon when we went out for her daily walk. She had good energy and was happy too, but I saw a lot of loose skin lifting off into her fur. I was able to give her some plain green beans, yellow tofu, and a couple of kidney beans over the course of the evening. Maybe she has just had enough of the cysteine. Now I will have to start over and see which ones she is happy to have, and at a lower dose too. Thanks for telling me about that, it is probably the key here. She does have some liver issues, I don't know if I have the lab results here or not. Thanks, Barb! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 yes Live, why don't you tell Barb who Bill Croft is and why you would have to be tring to tell him about anything. > > > >> I've tried to explain the differences and similarities and why they > > are important to > > Bill Croft, but he may not have remembered. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 my dog became sensitive to wheat while living in the moldy house-then all dog food. I cooked for him for 3 years-lots of healthy stuff-now he is back on a healthy dog food. He is 9 next month-I have my fingers crossed for all the years I can get for him Thanks, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 Yes Live, there is a Wm Croft in group that posts once in awhile but he isn't the Croft I am referring to. I'm referring to Wm Croft, phd, who is pathologist in LaCross, WI, does autopsies and pathology reports for court cases and is referenced in many scientific articles on mold and mycotoxins. If you have article or report on L-Cystein versus NAC from scholarly source saying the NAC is better, I would be interested as I had trouble with L-Cysteine and Wm Croft, phd, said then to go off of it, didn't point me toward the NAC. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 I thought I was told long time ago that the Croft who posted here a few times was not Croft from LaCross. I'm glad to hear that. Are there two Bill Crofts who post here then or is the one Bill Croft I have seen the same one. Thanks for clarifying. So perhaps Live was arguing with Croft phd. In that case, I side with Croft. --- In , " tigerpaw2c " <tigerpaw2c@...> wrote: > > Barb, I must correct you on one thing, both Dr.Croft and his > daughter are on the group and have been for some time. > > KC > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2008 Report Share Posted October 8, 2008 Both gentlemen are on the board. Hope this clears things up. > > > > Barb, I must correct you on one thing, both Dr.Croft and his > > daughter are on the group and have been for some time. > > > > KC > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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