Dr. Gray

[Guest guest]

I thought I would post to the list my visit to see Dr. Gray in Benson, AZ.  He

follows Dr. Shoemaker's protocol, but also uses a detox natural treatment as

well with MANY types of supplements and such.  Some of the stuff he put us on,

some of you can get without an Rx.  Most of them came form Key Pharmacy in Kent

Washington.

 

  He put us on cholestyramine, bentonite (clay) powder and charcoal to use all

at once to help remove toxins.  Then on a high quality CoQ10 twice a day.  Vit.

E.  1,000 mg mixed tocopherols, thiocid, a mix of many things made into one

capsule for detoxification, two types of vit. B12, one with folic acid and

glutatione as an in haler and nose spray.  Glutatione as a nose spray will cross

the blood brain barrier, as an IV it won't and in the stomach as an oral, alot

is lost due to the stomach acid.    Keto (antifungal) nose spray, keto shampoo

and body soap, Carlson's Fish Oil (only use on's)

 

My two day office visit to see him cost me $3,200.  Drake's was $831.  Cause he

is only 3, they couldn't do alot of the visual tests, computer tests, etc.  ONE

urine test for mytoxins was $700 a PIECE!!!!!!!  Only one lab in TX does that. 

They took 18 vials of blood, two urines, two stool samples, and a lung test from

me.  For Drake they took 8 vials of blood, two urines, and two stool samples. 

We have a conference call with Dr. Gray on the 15th to go over all our labs and

talks about other meds.  Drake, my 3 year old, his liver values were off....so

unless they get better, he will not be able to have any meds.  This really

freaks me out.  They found a pulup in my sinus, my lungs are compromised.  An

MRI before going to Dr. Gray showed a nodule on my lung and restricted airway

disease.  We spent two whole days at Dr. Gray's office.  So there you

are.......thought I would just pass this info on to you all that might like to

know.  The meds

and supplements alone cost OVER $1,700 for the both of us.  EGADS....don't know

how we will be able to keep up this kind of treatment.

 

So many meds / supplements that need to be taken FIVE times a day is very over

whelming at times.  Also two inhalers and nebilizer.  egads.

 

I did find that I can get my supplements like the Bentonite Clay (even by the

pound), ACTIVATED charcoal, CoQ10, Carlson's Fish Oil Soooooo much cheaper at

www.iherb.com  They gave me a code to help others save money.  I'm not sure how

it works.  I just know so many of my friends need supplements and finding a

better price is hard to come by.  The code I was given is tat330 to use.  Not

sure if that saved me more money or not....but it did save me alot more than

going to a health food store.  I do know it was much cheaper getting the

Carlson's fish oil.  I pay like $25 for a  6.9 bottle and on iherb it is a

little less I believe and more than twice the size of the bottle.  It's so much

cheaper than Whole Foods store or Sunflower Store or other health stores I've

been too.

 

In case some of you want to know what the dosing instructions that dr. Gray gave

me that you can get with out an Rx here are some of them:

 

Take one table spoons of Carlson's fish oil twice a day. (only Carlson's)

Take one high quality CoQ10 twice a day

One vit. E

Avtivated charcoal 4 capsules, Bentoinite Clay 1 teaspoon and

cholestyramine (need an Rx for this one) one scoop  Take at the same time twice

a day but either two hours after supplements and meds or two hours before

supplements and meds.

 

I hope this helps some of you.  I am on this list....but switched to " no mail "

cause I couldn't keep up.  Too busy looking for a job, filing insurance papers,

and just trying to get my life back on track some....so if you have any

questions please e-mail me OFF LIST at:

bbisquitt@...

 

Take Care

shonda

P.S. please keep us in your prayers if you would too, thanks

[Guest guest]

many doctors now sell supplements to increase their profit. Its common

with naturopathic doctors, just like many try to do the phelobotomy

(sp?) too (they can also charge for that) rather than just sending the

person to Quest or LabCorp..

My doctor has these doctors magazines in her office, they explain to

doctors how to wring every penny out of the patient. They have

software now to help them do it. (Need a prescription refill? They can

call you in for an unnecessary appointment every three months just for

that!)

You can buy many supplements in bulk. When you buy anything in little

bottles filled with capsules, etc. the bottle and the capsule making

process is what makes it possible for the vendor to charge so much

more. Many vitamin manufacturers now sell the vitamins also as powders

and its far cheaper. You can also buy capsules and put them together

yourself. Or use a measuring spoon and mix them in juice (thats what I

do)

Coenzyme Q10 is always expensive. If you look for Friedrich's ataxia

support groups, they always know where to get CoQ10 or idebenone

cheaply, (a relative of Coenzyme Q10 that is better than Q10, its very

strong and it can stretch your Q10 quite a bit.)

A recent test of fish oils found Costco's house brand to be the

freshest and purest. Its also the cheapest! The way you can tell which

is the strongest is by ooking at the label for the amounts of DHA and

EPA. The more DHA or EPA, the stronger it is. The bigger companies

tend to have more resources for quality control. Small brands of MLM

manufacturers, less. They usually contract out with a big manufacturer

to make small " private branded " runs. But the products come from the

same factories... (although the source may vary with the small

manufacturers)

Many amino acids, etc. you can also buy in bulk. Otherwise it would be

impossible to take enough of them unless you were CEO of AIG or

Goldman-Sachs or something.

On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 5:39 PM, bbisquitt <bbisquitt@...> wrote:

> I thought I would post to the list my visit to see Dr. Gray in Benson, AZ.

[Guest guest]

Dear Shonda,

Thank you very much for posting this to the group, it is sure to be

useful to many.

I noticed that you are in AZ? Which is where a fungal lung disease is

endemic, called Valley Fever, it causes nodules on the lungs. The

other name is coccydiomycosis (sp?). I would think Dr Gray would know

about it, but you might want to ask him about it anyway. It is

endemic where I come from too; it leaves some people with asthma for life.

>

> I thought I would post to the list my visit to see Dr. Gray in

Benson, AZ. .......

They found a pulup in my sinus, my lungs are compromised. An MRI

before going to Dr. Gray showed a nodule on my lung and restricted

airway disease.

[Guest guest]

Valley fever as its called here is not as epedemic as everybody makes it out to

be.  The people who are most prone to it are people of norwegian and black

descent.  According to Dr Gray.  I too was concerned but Gray said unless you

are either of the above not to worry.  I now have been in Benson almost a year

and I yet to meet anybody with it

K

From: kl_clayton <kl_clayton@...>

Subject: [] Re: Dr. Gray

Date: Wednesday, October 8, 2008, 5:57 AM

Dear Shonda,

Thank you very much for posting this to the group, it is sure to be

useful to many.

[Guest guest]

Hey Live,

Carlsons fish oil is way better than costco's  Carlsons has a great lemon flavor

you can use it as a dressing and its Omegas are 3. 6 and 9's.   Costcos is only

omege 3's and it made me burp up nasty smelling fish taste for hours.

K

From: LiveSimply <quackadillian@...>

Subject: Re: [] Dr. Gray

Date: Wednesday, October 8, 2008, 4:34 AM

many doctors now sell supplements to increase their profit. Its common

with naturopathic doctors, just like many try to do the phelobotomy

(sp?) too (they can also charge for that) rather than just sending the

person to Quest or LabCorp..

[Guest guest]

Live, are you implying that Dr. Gray is a dishonest?--- LiveSimply

wrote: many doctors now sell supplements to increase their profit.

seem you like to casr dought after everyone that reports they've been

to a certain doctor, either about the doctor or the person. what's

the deal?

Its common

> with naturopathic doctors, just like many try to do the phelobotomy

> (sp?) too (they can also charge for that) rather than just sending

the

> person to Quest or LabCorp..

>

[Guest guest]

Dr Gray does not  let me repeat, does not sell any supplements at his office. 

He only recommends for treatment.

From: who <jeaninem660@...>

Subject: [] Re: Dr. Gray

Date: Wednesday, October 8, 2008, 7:30 AM

Live, are you implying that Dr. Gray is a dishonest?-- - LiveSimply

wrote: many doctors now sell supplements to increase their profit.

seem you like to casr dought after everyone that reports they've been

to a certain doctor, either about the doctor or the person. what's

the deal?

Its common

> with naturopathic doctors, just like many try to do the phelobotomy

> (sp?) too (they can also charge for that) rather than just sending

the

> person to Quest or LabCorp..

>

[Guest guest]

Yeah, well, that is what they told me about funguses causing sinus

infections. I would REALLY not believe that, unless he has done the

test on you and discovered that you do NOT and have never had it by

the blood test. How many blood tests do they do to rule it out? None,

that is how many. Just because he does not have it on his radar does

not mean it is not an issue, possibly for many people.

I spent alot of time in the Valley (the Central Valley of Calif, where

Valley Fever got it's name), and lots of people get it as kids, it is

just another fever, really for most of us, but for some it leaves us

with asthma and an inability to deal with mold. Getting it as an adult

is life threatening. My girlfriend died from it (S. Cal), some

colleagues almost died from it (Utah), a friend got it in Pheonix, and

ended up with bad asthma from it. It is in the rocks, endemic in the

geology of the entire western quarter of the US (I used to be a

geologist).

If you grow up in the area, not so big of a deal. But it does

definitely cause spots on lung xrays, so it can be worth checking, esp

if they think it is cancer or TB.

>

> Valley fever as its called here is not as epedemic as everybody

makes it out to be. The people who are most prone to it are people of

norwegian and black descent. According to Dr Gray. I too was

concerned but Gray said unless you are either of the above not to

worry. I now have been in Benson almost a year and I yet to meet

anybody with it

> K

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dr. Gray does not sell any supplements in his office, nor does he recommend

where to purchase them. There are certain guidelines he has, like the type of

fish oil, etc, but he has no interest where you get it as long as it is what he

wants you to have.

[Guest guest]

a,

Check out this web page:

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/498364

Kirkland is the brand sold at Costco

_____________________________

Fish Oil Supplements May Be Safer Than Eating Fish

News Author: Laurie Barclay, MD

CME Author: Désirée Lie, MD, MSEd

Disclosures

Release Date: January 28, 2005; Reviewed and Renewed: January 27,

2006; Valid for credit through January 27, 2007

Jan. 28, 2005 — Fish oil supplements may be safer than eating fish, at

least from the standpoint of toxic impurities, according to the

results of a study published in the January issue of the Archives of

Pathology and Laboratory Medicine.

" The consumption of fish high in omega-3 fatty acids is advocated by

the American Heart Association to decrease the risk of coronary artery

disease, " write Foran Melanson, MD, PhD, from the Brigham and

Women's Hospital and Harvard Medical School in Boston, Massachusetts,

and colleagues. " However, fish contain environmental toxins such as

mercury, polychlorinated biphenyls, and organochlorine [OC]

pesticides, which may negate the beneficial cardiovascular effects of

fish meals. "

OC analysis of the contents of five commercial fish oil brands

revealed that the levels of polychlorinated biphenyls (PCBs) and OCs

were all below the detectable limit.

" Fish oil supplements are more healthful than the consumption of fish

high in organochlorines, " the authors write. " Fish oils provide the

benefits of omega-3 fatty acids without the risk of toxicity. In

addition, fish oil supplements have been helpful in a variety of

diseases, including bipolar disorder and depression. "

The authors note that of the PCBs produced in the U.S. before 1976,

1.2 billion pounds entered rivers, lakes, and oceans, where they

accumulate in bottom-feeding fish and become more concentrated higher

up on the food chain (0.6-20 parts per million [ppm] in edible fish

high in the food chain). In 1984, the Food and Drug Administration

(FDA) lowered the limit to 2.0 ppm for edible fish.

Similarly, OC pesticides entered the air, water, and soil when they

were sprayed on crops and forests and concentrate more than 1,000-fold

in fish and marine mammals. These pesticides, including DDT, were

banned in 1973 because of their neurotoxic properties.

Although consumption of 200 to 400 g of oily fish each week has been

recommended to protect against cardiovascular disease, regular fish

intake presents potential problems, particularly in children and

pregnant women.

The authors estimate that compared with fish oil supplementation,

regular consumption of fish from the Great Lakes would expose humans

to at least 70 times more PCBs and 120 times more OC pesticides.

" Our data concerning the levels of OCs suggest that fish oil

supplements may be preferable to fish consumption as a dietary

guideline for the general population and as a therapeutic source of

omega-3 fatty acids in patients with cardiovascular disease and

depression, " the authors conclude.

The authors report no relevant financial interests.

Arch Pathol Lab Med. 2005;129:74-77

Clinical Context

Consumption of 200 to 400 g per day of fish high in omega-3

polyunsaturated fatty acids is advocated by the American Heart

Association to decrease coronary heart disease risk, according to the

authors. Other potential benefits of omega-3 fatty acids listed by the

authors based on previous studies include mood stabilization in

bipolar disorder, depression in pregnancy, and reduced inflammation in

some autoimmune diseases, such as rheumatoid arthritis. However,

certain fish contain high levels of toxins such as mercury, PCBs, OC

pesticides, and related compounds that may negate the health

advantages of fish meals. Recent concern has been raised about the

levels of toxins in both wild and farm-raised fish. The U.S. FDA

allows 0.10 to 3.0 ppm of PCBs in all foods, but in 1984 lowered the

limit for fish to below 2.0 ppm. Consumption by children and pregnant

women are of particular concern. The authors had previously shown that

fish oil supplements contained negligible amounts of mercury and thus

may be a safe substitute to fish for omega-3 fatty acid intake.

This is a review of the potential risks and benefits of fish and fish

oil consumption, and a report on the concentration of PCB and OC found

in five brands of fish oil supplements.

Study Highlights

* Review of toxins

o PCBs are colorless and odorless chemicals widely used in

electrical equipment such as transformers before 1977. 1.2 billion

pounds of PCBs in the U.S. ended up in rivers and oceans before 1977

and were concentrated from bottom fish to edible fish higher in the

food chain.

o OCs were used as pesticides and sprayed on crops and

forests, entering the air, water, and soil. They were deposited in

sediment and still taken up by small fish and organisms today due to

their resistance to degradation.

o Both PCBs and OCs are present in the environment. Humans

have on average 1.4 parts per billion (ppb) of PCBs in their serum.

Levels are higher in fatty tissue and breast milk.

o PCBs and OCs are stable and nonflammable as industrial

agents with half-lives as long as 5 years. OC pesticides concentrate

1,000-fold in fish and marine mammals. In the 1990s, DDT and its

metabolites were detected in 94% of whole fish samples.

o PCBs and related compounds accumulate in adipose tissue

and are metabolized in the liver. Adverse effects include

reproductive, dermatologic, developmental, endocrine, hepatic, and

immunologic.

o Acute exposure to OCs, the best known of which is DDT, can

cause neurotoxicity including tremors, seizures, headaches, vomiting,

and dizziness. Chronic exposure is associated with reproductive,

neurologic, hepatic, and carcinogenic effects. DDT has been shown to

be a human carcinogen.

o Developmental defects and lower IQ are associated with in

utero exposure to both classes of agents.

o Cold water fish (eg, as measured in fish from the Great

Lakes and the Baltic Sea) contain high levels of PCBs, OC pesticides,

and mercury. PCB and OC levels increase with age of the fish.

o Farm-raised salmon have significantly higher levels of

PCB, fat, and cholesterol than wild salmon and can lead to higher PCB

intake than the allowable level.

o Mercury is found in equal concentrations in wild and

farm-raised fish.

o In one study, anchovy, mackerel, cod, and red mullet

showed highest levels of PCB and OC content. Calamari, cob-fish, and

mussels had intermediate levels and sole, cuttle, frog-fish, scampi,

and hen clam had the lowest concentrations.

o Small but detectable levels of PCBs and OCs have been

found in fish oil supplements in European studies.

* Studies of five fish oil supplements

o 5 over-the-counter (OTC) brands of fish oil capsules

(Omega Brite, Kirkland, Natrol Sundown, and CVS) were punctured, and 5

mL of liquid content from each capsule sent in a citrate tube to

National Medical Services for analysis.

o PCB and OC levels were measured by gas chromatography with

electron capture. Lower limits of detection were 400 ppb for PCB and

200 ppb for OC.

o None of the 5 brands contained detectable amounts of PCBs or OCs.

o Previously, the authors reported nonsignificant amounts

(less than 12 µg/L) of mercury in 5 brands of fish oil: Omega Brite,

Nordic Ultimate, Sundown, Kirkland, and CVS.

Pearls for Practice

* Fish oil contains at least five times less PCB and 25 times less

DDT than the FDA daily recommended limits and less OC than fish high

in the food chain.

* Consumption of fish oil supplements vs fish meals may confer the

benefits of omega-3 fatty acids without the risks of toxins.

On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 11:10 AM, a Townsend <kmtown2003@...> wrote:

> Hey Live,

> Carlsons fish oil is way better than costco's Carlsons has a great lemon

> flavor you can use it as a dressing and its Omegas are 3. 6 and 9's.

> Costcos is only omege 3's and it made me burp up nasty smelling fish taste

> for hours.

> K

>

>

[Guest guest]

I was considering moving to AZ thinking the drier climate would be much better

for my hypersensitivity pneumonitis but a friend of mine is an infectious

disease specialist and does research on coccidiomycosis and said DO NOT move to

AZ, as it is the worst state for it.

[Guest guest]

Gail, I have no knowledge of what you posted here, but I can tell you that when

I was in

Arizona, I have asthma and could NOT breath. There was so much dust and dirt in

the air. I

was not in a major town. As a child, I was always told that Arizona would be

the best place

to live with asthma, but I can't see how. I simply could not breath!

>

> I was considering moving to AZ thinking the drier climate would be much better

for my

hypersensitivity pneumonitis but a friend of mine is an infectious disease

specialist and does

research on coccidiomycosis and said DO NOT move to AZ, as it is the worst state

for it.

>

[Guest guest]

I have mold induced asthma.  I couldn't live in a miost climate again.  Living

here in AZ has saved mine and my duaghters life.   As we all know not everyone

is the same, what is good for someone may not be good another.     Valley fever

comes from the dirt.  We don't dig!!    This morning I woke up to clear crisp

dry air.  No smells what so ever!!

a

From: semco_semco_semco <semco_semco_semco@...>

Subject: [] Re: Dr. Gray

Date: Thursday, October 9, 2008, 4:04 AM

Gail, I have no knowledge of what you posted here, but I can tell

you that when I was in

Arizona, I have asthma and could NOT breath. There was so much dust and dirt in

the air. I

was not in a major town. As a child, I was always told that Arizona would be

the best place

to live with asthma, but I can't see how. I simply could not breath!

>

> I was considering moving to AZ thinking the drier climate would be much better

for my

hypersensitivity pneumonitis but a friend of mine is an infectious disease

specialist and does

research on coccidiomycosis and said DO NOT move to AZ, as it is the worst state

for it.

>

[Guest guest]

Have you tried taking fish oil with a full meal? That helps.

>

>it made me burp up nasty smelling fish taste for hours.

> K

[Guest guest]

Perhaps AZ got it's reputation as good for people with arthritis as

drier weather is better for things like that but really dry weather is,

as you mention, dustier, since not enough moisture to hold particles

down, less mold may grow outside but mold and other particles are in

the soil and become airborne easier. If you have asthma I believe

areas of the country with very low particulate counts would bring

relief if you can move anywhere. You can find those at American Lung

Association, and include the central part of the U.S., east of the

Sierra Nevadas and Rockies and away from industrialize areas, and not

too close to farming due to spray of pesticides. That means away

from 'jobs', so one may not be able to. I think ocean side is also

good as it the wind blows out particles but then you have to make sure

building isn't water damaged in ocean front property and not water

damaged property in your area. However maybe ocean breeze brings

problems from across the water but I feel better on the beach myself.

It's just that the property in those areas frequently have been ravaged

by storms frequently, if not your house, maybe houses around you, so

it's trickier.

>

> Arizona, I have asthma and could NOT breath. There was so much dust

and dirt in the air.

[Guest guest]

I get a lot of my omega's  threw flaxseed now.  Costco sell it by the gallon for

less than 9 dollars.  Organic and cold pressed.   I put it in our panckes,on

yogurt in oatmeal smoothies.

and a lot of fiber.  Once I started taking that my bowels were a lot better.  It

makes it easier  with the CSM

From: barb1283 <barb1283@...>

Subject: [] Re: Dr. Gray

Date: Thursday, October 9, 2008, 6:57 AM

Have you tried taking fish oil with a full meal? That helps.

>

>it made me burp up nasty smelling fish taste for hours.

> K

[Guest guest]

You have to be careful of which ocean as well. In the Gulf we get the smoke

from Mexican fires and more importantly, red tide. Red Tide can be fatal to an

asthmatic. There is no rhyme or reason when it comes and how long it stays.

After hurricanes, the Gulf air is not very healthy either.

[Guest guest]

Just thought that I'd share that I was told by a representative of

Nordic Naturals that if you burp up a bad taste from fish oil it is

rancid. It was their product with which I had the problem and she told

me to return it to the store.

>

> Hey Live,

> Carlsons fish oil is way better than costco's  Carlsons has a great

lemon flavor you can use it as a dressing and its Omegas are 3. 6 and

9's.   Costcos is only omege 3's and it made me burp up nasty smelling

fish taste for hours.

> K

[Guest guest]

Yes, you are correct. There is a certain sea where the fish oil should come

from. Dr. Gray has those specifications. Sorry, I can't remember exactly what

they are, but I will google it. If I see it I will remember.

> From: <smarshwar@...>

> Subject: [] Re: Dr. Gray

>

> Date: Thursday, October 9, 2008, 5:25 PM

> Just thought that I'd share that I was told by a

> representative of

> Nordic Naturals that if you burp up a bad taste from fish

> oil it is

> rancid. It was their product with which I had the problem

> and she told

> me to return it to the store.

>

>

> >

> > Hey Live,

> > Carlsons fish oil is way better than costco's 

> Carlsons has a great

> lemon flavor you can use it as a dressing and its Omegas

> are 3. 6 and

> 9's.   Costcos is only omege 3's and it made me

> burp up nasty smelling

> fish taste for hours.

> > K