Re: re omega oils

[Guest guest]

Less inflammation..

Usually it takes quite a while.. 3 months...

You also have to take a lot.. One or two capsules a day wont do it. I

am trying to take a minimum of 3 grams of dha+epa..

People get a lot of omega 6's without even trying, so they really need

to eat a LOT more omega 3's to increase the RATIO.

Read the papers, and compare the amounts of oil in whatever you are

using.. If you can eat 3 or more grams EPA + DHA you will probably

start to notice a reduction in inflammation in 3 months...

Perhaps (just guessing) that the blood brain barrier is not very

permeable to lipids

Also, be aware that fish oil is fat.. so you have to eat a lot (by

some people's standards) of this (very good for you) FAT.

Eskimos are very healthy, they get more fish oil than anybody.. But

the fish oil makes them a bit chubby.

In that case, its good fat, though...

On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 10:45 PM, amydent9 <amydent9@...> wrote:

> what improvements do pepole notice from these oils?

>

> how long does it take to notice?

>

> amy

>

[Guest guest]

-I THINK THERE ARE STUDIES SHOWING ESKIMOS HAVING TOXINS IN THEIR

SYSTEMS, PESTICIDES OR PCB KIND OF THINGS? NOT EXACTLY SURE WHAT THEY

FOUND.

AND I THINK THEY ATTRIBUTE IT TO THEIR DIET, MAINLY FISH?

SO WOULD WE BE CONCERNED ABOUT THIS IN FISH OILS,PERHAPS CONCENTRATED

OR DELIVERED BY OIL?

AMY

SORRY FOR THE CAPITALS

[Guest guest]

Hi Amy,

Is this what you mean?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?term=xenobiotic%20inuit

Evidently the term is " Persistant Organic Pollutants "

Fish oil is made from smaller fish like anchovies and sardines.. not

seals, whales, (which aren't fish, they are mammals)

large fish, etc.

Flaxseed oil is made from flax seeds which are of course, vegetarian.

It does increase DHA/EPA levels in healthy adults..

I don't think it does as much or as quickly as USP-certified fish oil

found in stores, but it does have that advantage.. which may be an

important one.

Fish oil is tested for a number of things.. heavy metals, PCBs, etc..

I don't know how many things they test for. As I've said before, I

don't think that paying a higher retail cost, whether its in a store

or in a doctors office is necessarily going to lead to having a better

product.

The tests Ive seen indicated that some cheap brands.. (the one I

remember as doing well is Costco's house brand, Kirkland) were very

good as far as those toxicants.. the levels were undetectable ...

Looking at the bottle of fish oil that I have been taking, it says

" USP Dietary Supplement Verified " and also that it comes from deep

ocean waters (farm-raised fish, raised in rivers, tends to have more

issues..)

It also says its " molecularly distilled " and that " levels of mercury,

PCB's and dioxin are undetectable "

I hope this helps!

On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 11:16 PM, amydent9 <amydent9@...> wrote:

>

> -I THINK THERE ARE STUDIES SHOWING ESKIMOS HAVING TOXINS IN THEIR

> SYSTEMS, PESTICIDES OR PCB KIND OF THINGS? NOT EXACTLY SURE WHAT THEY

> FOUND.

> AND I THINK THEY ATTRIBUTE IT TO THEIR DIET, MAINLY FISH?

> SO WOULD WE BE CONCERNED ABOUT THIS IN FISH OILS,PERHAPS CONCENTRATED

> OR DELIVERED BY OIL?

>

> AMY

>

> SORRY FOR THE CAPITALS

>

>

[Guest guest]

this re cod liver oil, for comparison to fish oil.

I believe cod liver oils ahs been used much before the fish oil craze,

and is also used by ayurvedic.

It notes that its good for arthritis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cod_liver_oil

> >

> > -I THINK THERE ARE STUDIES SHOWING ESKIMOS HAVING TOXINS IN THEIR

> > SYSTEMS, PESTICIDES OR PCB KIND OF THINGS? NOT EXACTLY SURE WHAT THEY

> > FOUND.

> > AND I THINK THEY ATTRIBUTE IT TO THEIR DIET, MAINLY FISH?

> > SO WOULD WE BE CONCERNED ABOUT THIS IN FISH OILS,PERHAPS CONCENTRATED

> > OR DELIVERED BY OIL?

> >

> > AMY

> >

> > SORRY FOR THE CAPITALS

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>

>

> this re cod liver oil, for comparison to fish oil.

> I believe cod liver oils ahs been used much before the fish oil craze,

> and is also used by ayurvedic.

OOPS this is wrong not used by ayurvedic I think they use castor oil

[Guest guest]

I read cod liver oil for winter/short days, since there isn't much sun

and it has a good amt of vit D, and fish oil for summertime/long days

If YOU DO get out in the sun in summer. The Twin Labs 'emulsified' cod

liver oil is easy to digest with a slight flavoring added. I take it

now and then. Too much vit D is toxic and I drink milk which has vit D

added. I take fish oil sometime and borage oil sometime. Here is a

source for fish oil that has the mercury checked to be sure it is low.

They also sell fish that is low mercury flash frozen but it is

expensive but they ship direct to your door in dry ice. Incidentally

their 'canned salmon' is bonelss and skinless and is VERY good. I have

given a box of it as a Christmas gift along with some organic chocolate

and people seem to love it. It's 'Vital Choice'. Each fish is

individually flash frozen and vaccum sealed. I now only buy the canned

salmon due to the price of other things but it makes very nice salmon

salad with 'Lemon-aise " instead of mayonaise which is very good and

healthier than mayo.

>

>

> this re cod liver oil, for comparison to fish oil.

> I believe cod liver oils ahs been used much before the fish oil craze,

> and is also used by ayurvedic.

> It notes that its good for arthritis.

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cod_liver_oil

>

[Guest guest]

I haven't noticed a difference after starting fish oils or omega 3's

but as I said in previous post my lipid levels have always been good,

so perhaps that is why, but I take them anyway, just like taking

vitamins doesn't usually make me feel much different.

The only two dietary things that seem to make a difference that I can

feel is low sugar. If I eat sugary things or even alot of fruit, I'm

sorry. The second thing is I felt much better when I was " green

juicing " at home. Right now I can't do it because I don't have the

counter space, but as soon as I can get back to that, I could

definately feel the difference.

I have cut way back on white flour and grains due to reports of mold

being in them but if I do go back on them for whatever reason, I don't

feel bad, but I do try to avoid to keep from ingesting too much mold.

That was to someone asking awhile back if people taking omega 3's or

fish oil feel better. In my case I don't but I believe it's good for

me, just like taking a multivitamin

[Guest guest]

Barb,

I think you are probably thinking about Vitamin A.

On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 10:40 AM, barb1283 <barb1283@...> wrote:

> now and then. Too much vit D is toxic and I drink milk which has vit D

> added.

[Guest guest]

Do me a favor, and post a link to some contradicting information if

you want to challenge my post. I don't have the time to do research

myself on every post I put out. No, I'm not confusing Vit A. All

fat soluable vitamin are stored in your body and not excreted daily

like water soluable ones and you can develope toxic conditions. I

have not studied what levels you can take safely and am not a scholar

on the subject, but A, D, E, and K are fat soluable vitamins and you

should be aware that excessive amounts can build up. Water soluable

vitamins will be excreted if your body doesn't need them.

http://www.faqs.org/health/topics/53/Vitamin-toxicity.html

>

> >Too much vit D is toxic and I drink milk which has vit D

> > added.

>

[Guest guest]

Half way down, overdose of Vit D. Granted it is Wikipedia but usually

has some good information. They say usually don't overdose on amounts

in supplements, but do they mean one a day type of supplements. I'd

have to figure out how much I'm getting in my diet and in my

supplements to figure out how much I'd feel comfortable supplementing,

if at all. I don't have any symptoms of Vit D deficiency, have milk

daily and take daily supplements which have D in them, so I am saying I

think I get enough.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_D

[Guest guest]

Vitamin D is also a fat soluble vitamin and is toxic if too much is

consumed. It's not a concern for most people because the RDA is much too

low. Many docs are recommending doses of at least 5000 iu per day.

Kenda

> Barb,

>

> I think you are probably thinking about Vitamin A.

>

> On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 10:40 AM, barb1283 <barb1283@...> wrote:

>

>> now and then. Too much vit D is toxic and I drink milk which has vit D

>> added.

[Guest guest]

Someone I was talking to said she was taking a new product by Carlson

or sublingual vit D drops. I saw them at Wild Oats as a new

product. 365 drops of 1,000 IU was 18$ and 365 drops of 2,000 IU was

19$, so the 2k product would be better buy since vit D is stored in

your body from 20-30 days I read, so you could take them once a week,

depending on how much a month you felt comfortable with. I wouldn't

want to try the new max dose recommended. Sublingual is better route

for me due to signs of gi inflamation. When gi system is inflamed it

doesn't absorb well.

--- In , Kenda Skaggs <oliverblue@...>

wrote:

>

> Vitamin D is also a fat soluble vitamin and is toxic if too much is

> consumed. It's not a concern for most people because the RDA is

much too

> low. Many docs are recommending doses of at least 5000 iu per day.

>

> Kenda

>

>

> > Barb,

> >

> > I think you are probably thinking about Vitamin A.

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, yes yes..

The way I understand it, we usually need more vitamin D. I take supps,

making sure to get enough Vit D.. and I eat milk products.. BUT, when

I had my Vit D level tested a few months ago.. what did it say? " Low

normal " ..

There is actually a very real and common public health danger

represented by Vitamin D deficiency due to lack of enough in the diet

or lack of sunshine.

One could drink huge amounts of milk and never reach toxicity...OTOH

the VERY real risk of parents not gving their kids enough (expensive

now!) milk are high due to the seductive nature of

rationalization..and tight money.. (there is a certain kind of parent

who falls victim to that often, I have personal experience with that

kind of parenting..)

Just like medical care is expensive, good food is expensive now too

(One can replace both calcium and Vitamin D by taking a supplement but

that high quality milk protein and other nutrients, are also

important...)

Kenda brought up a very good point-..The possibility of Vitamin D

overdose is very unlikely due to the low RDA. (read some of the stuff

below for more)

OTOH Vitamin A - another fat soluable vitamin, IS toxic in amounts

not so much higher (several times higher, which could happen easily if

someone wasn't watching their consumption) than the amounts people

might get, especially if they take multiple supps.

Cod liver oil is very high in Vitamin A and its also a common source

of problems with Vitamin A. (There is a warning label on bottles to

that effect)

the consequences of too much Vitamin D are also not as severe as the

consequences of Vitamin A overdose which can be very serious..

Children in particular, need both calcium and Vitamin D " to build

healthy bones and teeth " .

Post menopausal women also risk serious injury if they don't get

enough Vitamin D.

The combination which leads to is one of the most common causes of

injury in older people.

There are a bunch of good references on www.jacn.org on both Vitamins D and A

For example:

http://www.jacn.org/cgi/content/full/25/5/395

Vitamin D Status in a Rural Postmenopausal Female Population

http://www.jacn.org/cgi/search?andorexactfulltext=and & resourcetype=1 & disp_type= & \

sortspec=relevance & author1= & fulltext=Vitamin+D & pubdate_year= & volume= & firstpage=

http://www.jacn.org/cgi/search?andorexactfulltext=and & resourcetype=1 & disp_type= & \

sortspec=relevance & author1= & fulltext=Vitamin+A & pubdate_year= & volume= & firstpage=

On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 11:42 PM, Kenda Skaggs <oliverblue@...> wrote:

>

> Vitamin D is also a fat soluble vitamin and is toxic if too much is

> consumed. It's not a concern for most people because the RDA is much too

> low. Many docs are recommending doses of at least 5000 iu per day.

>

> Kenda

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for this information Live on vit D and A. I was only throwing

in my two cents worth on the subject of taking fish oils. For that I

have followed information on Mercola.com of switching from fish oils

to cod liver oil for the wintertime only to get the addl vit D in cod

liver oil to make up for the fact that we don't get much vit D from

the sun in wintertime, but he advises against taking cod liver oil

all year since in his opinion people get enough vit D from the sun,

provided you get out in it some. There is a wide range of opinions

about how much to supplement and if you need to supplement or not, so

to provide additional information is more interesting than just

asking if I incorrectly mentioned vit D than A. Thanks. Does anyone

really know how much is correct amount of vit D? I doubt it because

peoples need for the vit will vary depending on their health, age,

activities and diet, so to come up suggested supplementation is

tricky. For me, I don't supplement unless I think I may be deficient

above what I get in daily multi for the fat soluable vitamins. Most

all my posts only apply to what I am doing myself, not suggestions

for anyone else.

--- In , LiveSimply <quackadillian@...>

wrote:

>

> Yes, yes yes..

>

> The way I understand it, we usually need more vitamin D.

[Guest guest]

Amy,

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From: amydent9 <amydent9@...>

Sent: Monday, November 3, 2008 9:45:28 PM

Subject: [] re omega oils

what improvements do pepole notice from these oils?

how long does it take to notice?

amy

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