Re: Sharon & others: CHE organization

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/23/2008 6:01:40 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

barb1283@... writes:

I heard about this on the Today Show. This organization is dedicated

to researching the link between health and the environment, indoors as

well as outdoors. Today Show featured link between healthy aging and

your environment. I notice they mention the affects of electromagnetic

fields on health, which is something Dr Rae is often critized for as

something weird he is investigating. Site talks about chemicals and

that there are often worse conditions inside of home than outside.

Maybe they would be open to information you have.

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(http://www.healthandenvironment.org/about/mission)

CHE is wonderful. They do much to advance the understanding of illness from

the indoor environment...from chemicals. They promote the Green building

movement.

But there is a little problem when it comes to mold, chemicals, the indoor

environment and Green buildings.

The basic concept of Green buildings is to control the airflow of the indoor

environment for the pollutants of the outdoor environment. Another aspect

is to use all natural products to avoid chemical exposures.

So, much of what they promote is directly opposite of what is needed to

prevent fungal and bacterial induced illness from an indoor environment. To

curtail this, we need outdoor airflow. And things that are considered natural

and not chemical based are often times fungal in base. Mycoherbicides used to

kill parasites on plants without chemicals, is actually using fungus to kill

them.

So..while CHE is a great org who really is making a difference, I have not

found them to be terribly receptive to understanding biological induced

illnesses that are often times promoted by sealing up the indoor environment

too

tight. But... maybe that is just me.

Sharon Noonan Kramer

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[Guest guest]

Okay. I just got a little excited about an organization that

recognized indoor environment as causing health problems and

researching that. I read through site a little and did not see

anything about mold, but noticed the topic of electromagnetic fields

that Dr Rae is so often criticized for. Too bad but perhaps they will

discover eventually.

>

CHE is wonderful. They do much to advance the understanding of

illness from

> the indoor environment...from chemicals. They promote the Green

building

> movement.

>

> But there is a little problem when it comes to mold, chemicals, the

indoor

> environment and Green buildings.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I got the organization wrong that Today Show segment was from. It was

from 'Greater Boston Physicians for Social Responsibility':

http://www.psr.org/site/PageServer?pagename=boston_about

...citing environment as a bigger factor for health and aging than

genetics. Here is book which you can read online at link below it, and

also a couple of other groups mentioned that are dedicated to this

topic, of impact of environment on health. Maybe one would be

interested in proof that indoor mold has greater impact than believed?

About online book:

http://www.psr.org/site/PageServer?pagename=boston_ha

[Guest guest]

Barb,

This was a terrific find. Thank you! I've already distributed it to my

other groups and organizations.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

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> I got the organization wrong that Today Show segment was from. It was

> from 'Greater Boston Physicians for Social Responsibility':

>

> http://www.psr.org/site/PageServer?pagename=boston_about

>

> ..citing environment as a bigger factor for health and aging than

> genetics. Here is book which you can read online at link below it, and

> also a couple of other groups mentioned that are dedicated to this

> topic, of impact of environment on health. Maybe one would be

> interested in proof that indoor mold has greater impact than believed?

>

> About online book:

>

> http://www.psr.org/site/PageServer?pagename=boston_ha

>

>

>

>

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>

> FAIR USE NOTICE:

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hey Barb thanks for that ref. I'm going to download the report.

I watched the ABC clip and was feeling very annoyed. I was thinking to

myself, " Talk about chemicals. I bet you had your jacket dry-cleaned,

your hair is clearly dyed, and you have a ton of makeup on. You sound

like you're wheezing too, whoever you are. And you say keep your waist

below a certain #, ladies--THAT'S your best advice? " That was a cheap

commercialization of a dire reality. And her version of epigenetic

influences and a rusting car was also cheap. So I was really annoyed

by this spokesperson as the issues are so profound and in addition,

yes you can unfortunately upregulate or downregulate genes for life

during windows of development, yet you can also influence them

*during* life. I was just reading how the Mediterranean diet is so

helpful in preventing many diseases of aging, and its simple enough

for any of us to follow and enjoy, I think. Meanwhile, we need to be

facing the disconnect in modern life, not just about mold, but

chemicals in general, as I said, there wasn't one place I looked at on

Tuesday that wasn't full of chemicals to hide unpleasant " smells "

whatever they were (toxic paint, dead person smell, maybe mold, who

the heck knows)> That is not a way to live, to numb yourself with new

poisons to cover up other poisons.

Another thing--don't know if I mentioned it on here, but along with

not having carpet (but instead having ceramic tile or nice wood

floors) I think one should frequently damp mop. Dust, because of what

it's made of, carries a lot of the toxins in our environment--right

into our lungs. I bet you if they did a study you could reduce your in

home exposrue to anything greatly just with some healthy air circ and

a lot of careful damp mopping. Since they KNOW stuff like phthalates

get airborne on dust and in that way get into our systems, it must be

true of most of the chemicals released into our homes, and even mold

spores etc.

>

> Barb,

>

> This was a terrific find. Thank you! I've already distributed it to my

> other groups and organizations.

>

> Carl Grimes

> Healthy Habitats LLC

>

> -----

> > I got the organization wrong that Today Show segment was from. It

was

> > from 'Greater Boston Physicians for Social Responsibility':

> >

> > http://www.psr.org/site/PageServer?pagename=boston_about

> >

> > ..citing environment as a bigger factor for health and aging than

> > genetics. Here is book which you can read online at link below

it, and

> > also a couple of other groups mentioned that are dedicated to this

> > topic, of impact of environment on health. Maybe one would be

> > interested in proof that indoor mold has greater impact than

believed?

> >

> > About online book:

> >

> > http://www.psr.org/site/PageServer?pagename=boston_ha

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> > FAIR USE NOTICE:

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hey, doctors with a conscience. Sounded interesting to me!

--- In , " Carl E. Grimes " <grimes@...>

wrote:

>

> Barb,

>

> This was a terrific find. Thank you! I've already distributed it to

my

> other groups and organizations.

>

> Carl Grimes

> Healthy Habitats LLC

>

[Guest guest]

Well, Dr Synderman is kind of 'jack of all trades' on subject of

medicine on the Today Show- NBC, which means she probably doesn't have

much in depth knowledge on any one thing, but I thought the link to the

group in Boston was good. The fact that their research is showing that

it is our environment, more than our genes, is interesting and

something I think we here all suspect. However they said the people's

genetic 'makeup' may predispose them to interact with the environment

differently one to another, so it is the environment but also our

predisposition to how we react to it, would account for our different

reactions to things and also acknowledge environment is triggering it.

That's what I got out of it anyway. Glad to see 'someone' is doing

some research into that.

>

> Hey Barb thanks for that ref. I'm going to download the report.

> I watched the ABC clip and was feeling very annoyed. I was thinking to

[Guest guest]

I didn't know who she was (not a big television watcher). Yes there

are wonderful scientists doing excellent work on the interaction btw

genes and environment.

[Guest guest]

Speaking of EMF's, I thought I saw McCain once on Larry King

after her stroke with other people that had difficulty with EMF's.

Guess she is better now. Just remember that several years ago. --

- In , snk1955@... wrote:

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> In a message dated 10/23/2008 6:01:40 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

> barb1283@... writes:

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>

>

>

> I heard about this on the Today Show. This organization is

dedicated

> to researching the link between health and the environment,

indoors as

> well as outdoors. Today Show featured link between healthy aging

and

> your environment. I notice they mention the affects of

electromagnetic

> fields on health, which is something Dr Rae is often critized for

as

[Guest guest]

McCain had a reaction to EMF? That means that she probably has

reactions to other things too.

Perhaps like Bush and mold.. (not unusual for former teachers)

No matter she lives way out in the desert.. Still, I would NOT expect much

help from that direction.

The rich are not like you and me.

Did you read the big NY Times piece on her recently?

On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 8:25 PM, ldelp84227 <ldelp84227@...> wrote:

> Speaking of EMF's, I thought I saw McCain once on Larry King

> after her stroke with other people that had difficulty with EMF's.

> Guess she is better now. Just remember that several years ago. --

>

>

[Guest guest]

Speaking of EMF's, I got this picture of a cell phone tower next to

hotel I stayed at a year ago:

http://tinyurl.com/5phkgq

(Picture may be underneath an ad)

--- In , " ldelp84227 " <ldelp84227@...>

wrote:

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> Speaking of EMF's, I thought I saw McCain once on Larry King

> after her stroke with other people that had difficulty with EMF's.

> Guess she is better now. Just remember that several years ago. --

[Guest guest]

Thanks Live for responding. I was just wondering. Not hoping for any

help there. I didn't see the NY Times article. Interesting.

>

> > Speaking of EMF's, I thought I saw McCain once on Larry

King

> > after her stroke with other people that had difficulty with EMF's.

> > Guess she is better now. Just remember that several years ago.

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