Re: Re: Biochemist upon hearing I did that much P

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Laurel,I read through Dr. Zava's letter several times trying to reconcile the fact that he is essentially stating the WP is unintentionally overdosing its patients. He suggested "tissue testing" yielded the same results as the finger testing. I assume he is referring to the tissues of the body that the hormone is intended to reach - the internal reproductive organs - he doesn't specify.At any rate, I found it mind blowing and can't comprehend how the WP can continue to dose according to venous testing which reveals only a fraction of what the tissues are actually assimilating. Please comment. Thanks.GiniLaurel wrote: It was adding up the monthly dose. Earlier the WP had P during the follicular phase (l!!!) Dr. Formby knew about that version. When I did it the dose of P was only during the luteal phase so it was a smidgen less as a sum of the P for a whole cycle. It think that's right. I haven't looked at this stuff in years. Most of the time I'm spinning thru my real life and WP is not on my radar. It's an odd little artifact on the periphery of my life. Talking to a biochemist - heh heh - had to mention it. <giggling> Laurel > LOL! It's one thing to write a book about it (I'm still wondering why > publisher isn't getting sued for a non-fiction book with wrong > sources...afterall, there were

publishers sued for autobiographies > written falsely), but its another for an MD and healthcare > professional > to follow such advice. > > and you meant 8000 milligrams not grams right? i thought it was 25 mg > (now 20 mg) per line (x4-14 lines/day)... > > > > >> >> I have a new friend who is a biochemist. At some point he read > about >> the dose of P that I used on the WP. His email comment is below. >> Verbally he said, "This makes no sense. Hormones are signaling >> molecules". He also said that he would have been stunned if I told >> him I did one gram of P each month on the WP rather than >> approximately 8,000 grams each month. Like Dr. Formby, he can't >>

believe a doctor ever prescribed such an astronomical dose of >> hormones or that a pharmacist ever dispensed it. >> >> Laurel >> >>> >>> Laurel, I'm still attempting to lift my jaw off the floor. And I'm >>> so very glad you're ALIVE. >>> >> > > > > ------------------------------------ > > click here for our webpage http://rhythmicliving.com/ > > **The group conversation is informational in nature and is not > intended as medical advice.**

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It is mind-blowing that anyone is prescribing the WP.  That is the point.  I think to get a better picture of this thing you could read Wileywatch.  Wiley is not a scientist or a doctor.   Discussion about the ethical issues with the WP are starting to appear in the published literature which addresses medicine and ethics.    There's not scientific documentation to the support the dosing schedule of the WP.  There is only documentation to indicate that it is astronomical.  Bent Formby, PhD wrote a an article for us http://rhythmicliving.org/rhythmicliving/Formby_P_dominance.htmldiscussing the use of urine testing as well as the problem with the hormone building up in the tissues and hanging around long after it has stopped being administered.  I doubt they have certainty about what tissues are being saturated, but Dr. Formby told me my liver and brain would likely be saturated (if I recall correctly - we talked about this so long ago).    The problem with transdermal P is it could be saturating the liver and not the uterus - for example.  It think some women will do the WP no matter what.  Doesn't matter if the FDA was publishing the warnings about the WP.  Doesn't matter if the women would have to buy the silver packages from street dealers in back alleys. The promise of the WP is so alluring....   whooheee!Thing is.... it seems to me - BHRT that is dosed specifically for my own body fulfills the sparkly promise of rawking thru my day in juicy bliss so why suffer thru that nightmare?!? LaurelLaurel,I read through Dr. Zava's letter several times trying to reconcile the fact that he is essentially stating the WP is unintentionally overdosing its patients.  He suggested "tissue testing" yielded the same results as the finger testing.  I assume he is referring to the tissues of the body that the hormone is intended to reach - the internal reproductive organs - he doesn't specify.At any rate, I found it mind blowing and can't comprehend how the WP can continue to dose according to venous testing which reveals only a fraction of what the tissues are actually assimilating.  Please comment.  Thanks.GiniLaurel  wrote:It was adding up the monthly dose. Earlier the WP had P during the follicular phase (l!!!) Dr. Formby knew about that version. When I did it the dose of P was only during the luteal phase so it was a smidgen less as a sum of the P for a whole cycle.It think that's right. I haven't looked at this stuff in years. Most of the time I'm spinning thru my real life and WP is not on my radar. It's an odd little artifact on the periphery of my life. Talking to a biochemist - heh heh - had to mention it. <giggling>Laurel> LOL! It's one thing to write a book about it (I'm still wondering why> publisher isn't getting sued for a non-fiction book with wrong> sources...afterall, there were publishers sued for autobiographies> written falsely), but its another for an MD and healthcare > professional> to follow such advice.>> and you meant 8000 milligrams not grams right? i thought it was 25 mg> (now 20 mg) per line (x4-14 lines/day)...>> >> >>>> I have a new friend who is a biochemist. At some point he read> about>> the dose of P that I used on the WP. His email comment is below.>> Verbally he said, "This makes no sense. Hormones are signaling>> molecules". He also said that he would have been stunned if I told>> him I did one gram of P each month on the WP rather than>> approximately 8,000 grams each month. Like Dr. Formby, he can't>> believe a doctor ever prescribed such an astronomical dose of>> hormones or that a pharmacist ever dispensed it.>>>> Laurel>>>>>>>> Laurel, I'm still attempting to lift my jaw off the floor. And I'm>>> so very glad you're ALIVE.>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------>> click here for our webpage http://rhythmicliving.com/>> **The group conversation is informational in nature and is not > intended as medical advice.**

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Laurel,It sounds as though you had to suffer through the nightmare to get to the point where you can create your own bliss and I thank you for sharing your ongoing journey.When I made my appointment with Dr. Chen I asked for phone #'s of patients currently on the WP. The receptionist didn't give me any at the time but later called back and gave me the Rhythmicliving web address. Perhaps Rhythmicliving is perceived as a bit more open minded than Wileywatchers (which I also checked out but they seemed "out to get" WP and that turned me off).At any rate, the necessity to be able to listen to my body is a somewhat new concept for me. I always pushed myself and relied on my body to do my bidding until menopause hit me like a ton of bricks. I am ready to start listening - and it's not as easy as you would think....!Thanks for all your good info,GiniLaurel

wrote: It is mind-blowing that anyone is prescribing the WP. That is the point. I think to get a better picture of this thing you could read Wileywatch. Wiley is not a scientist or a doctor. Discussion about the ethical issues with the WP are starting to appear in the published literature which addresses medicine and ethics. There's not scientific documentation to the support the dosing schedule of the WP. There is only documentation to indicate that it is astronomical.

Bent Formby, PhD wrote a an article for us http://rhythmicliving.org/rhythmicliving/Formby_P_dominance.htmldiscussing the use of urine testing as well as the problem with the hormone building up in the tissues and hanging around long after it has stopped being administered. I doubt they have certainty about what tissues are being saturated, but Dr. Formby told me my liver and brain would likely be saturated (if I recall correctly - we talked about this so long ago). The problem with transdermal P is it could be saturating the liver and not the uterus - for example. It think some women will do the WP no matter what. Doesn't matter if the FDA was publishing the warnings about the WP. Doesn't matter if the women would have to buy the

silver packages from street dealers in back alleys. The promise of the WP is so alluring.... whooheee!Thing is.... it seems to me - BHRT that is dosed specifically for my own body fulfills the sparkly promise of rawking thru my day in juicy bliss so why suffer thru that nightmare?!? LaurelLaurel,I read through Dr. Zava's letter several times trying to reconcile the fact that he is essentially stating the WP is unintentionally overdosing its patients. He

suggested "tissue testing" yielded the same results as the finger testing. I assume he is referring to the tissues of the body that the hormone is intended to reach - the internal reproductive organs - he doesn't specify.At any rate, I found it mind blowing and can't comprehend how the WP can continue to dose according to venous testing which reveals only a fraction of what the tissues are actually assimilating. Please comment. Thanks.GiniLaurel <laurelrhythmicliving> wrote:It was adding up the monthly dose. Earlier the WP had P during the follicular phase (l!!!) Dr. Formby knew about that version. When I did it the dose of P was only during the luteal phase so it was a smidgen less as a sum of the P for a whole cycle.It think that's right. I haven't looked at this stuff in years. Most of the time I'm spinning thru my real life and WP is not on my radar. It's an odd little artifact on the periphery of my life. Talking to a biochemist - heh heh - had to mention it. <giggling>Laurel> LOL! It's one thing to write a book about it (I'm still wondering why> publisher isn't getting sued for a non-fiction book with wrong> sources...afterall, there were publishers sued for autobiographies> written falsely), but its another for

an MD and healthcare > professional> to follow such advice.>> and you meant 8000 milligrams not grams right? i thought it was 25 mg> (now 20 mg) per line (x4-14 lines/day)...>> >> >>>> I have a new friend who is a biochemist. At some point he read> about>> the dose of P that I used on the WP. His email comment is below.>> Verbally he said, "This makes no sense. Hormones are signaling>> molecules". He also said that he would have been stunned if I told>> him I did one gram of P each month on the WP rather than>> approximately 8,000 grams each month. Like Dr. Formby, he can't>> believe a

doctor ever prescribed such an astronomical dose of>> hormones or that a pharmacist ever dispensed it.>>>> Laurel>>>>>>>> Laurel, I'm still attempting to lift my jaw off the floor. And I'm>>> so very glad you're ALIVE.>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------>> click here for our webpage http://rhythmicliving.com/>> **The group conversation is informational in nature and is not > intended as medical advice.**