Re: Vultures tearing house down - I am amazed.

[Guest guest]

I think that the act of tearing down walls in a moldy house can release

spore levels up to 1 million cfu/m3

Those levels are acknowledged to cause MAJOR health effects.. by the

remediation community, not by the government.

So, the irresponsible will avoid remediatiors at any cost.. They will hre

day laborers and not mention mold at all..

On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 8:03 AM, semco_semco_semco <

semco_semco_semco@...> wrote:

> In having my house torn down, I am amazed at people.

[Guest guest]

So, did contractors just hire anyone willing to do it, with the payoff

being they get things in the house?? I can't tell from this what kind

of plans they made.

--- In , LiveSimply <quackadillian@...>

wrote:

>

> I think that the act of tearing down walls in a moldy house can

release

> spore levels up to 1 million cfu/m3

>

[Guest guest]

What kind of PPE were they wearing? Full face respirators with HEPA, gloves,

disposable clothing?

Did the contractor give them anything or were they asked to learn what they

would need overnight and then buy it on the way to the job site in the

morning? (It took me a LONG time to figure out what I would need if I went

into a moldy place..At the very minimum for me its a half-face mask with two

P-100 (magenta) HEPA-style particulate cartridges on it, which can be found

for a minimum of around $30. It also needs to fit right, one size does not

fit all. Disposable P-100 masks exist.. but they are expensive, around $16.

They have sticky material around the edges so they stick literally to the

face, so they can't be reused many times. That should be the minimum.)

Even fresh plaster dust can be very nasty.. no mold .. just the drywall

dust..

Anything that goes deep into the lungs is potentially destructive..

In some areas, (the Southwest deserts, and other areas where fungi live in

the soil) even dirt dust can kill..

In a known mold situation, people should wear a minimum of N-95 masks but

really, I think P-100 should be the minimum..

Plus a charcoal cartridge on top if the mold is still growing and emitting

MVOCs. (That should only be used once)

Think " moon suit " and you will get the picture of what people in a serious

moldy building demolition situation should wear.

I can tell you emphatically from personal experience that even dermal

exposure is extremely dangerous..

>

> On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 8:03 AM, semco_semco_semco <

> semco_semco_semco@...> wrote:

>

>> In having my house torn down, I am amazed at people. I really shouldn't

>> be, but this free

>> for all with the vultures tearing it down was quite amazing to watch.

>>

>> At first they actually started trying to divy up who was going to take

>> what out of my house.

>> They have absolutely no idea what mold can do to you. It was quite

>> upsetting, so

>> everything got spray painted contaminated on it. Plus, the contractor

>> signed legal papers

>> acknowledging the contamination, and accepting responsibility of his

>> employees, advising

>> them to be fully suited when they entered the house.

>>

>> After the second day, the people who were emptying out the house were

>> having horrible

>> problems breathing and feeling sick by the afternoon. A couple have

>> actually called in

>> sick. Not only were they warned by the contractor, but I stood there and

>> explained the

>> different things that could happen, including lung problems.

>>

>> Day three, everyone was wearing masks and there apparently was no more

>> talk about who

>> was going to take what. No one wanted anything.

>>

>> I am just amazed. Totally amazed........

>>

>> Thank goodness the house will be on the ground by tomorrow and I don't

>> have to worry

>> about that anymore!!!

>>

>> _

>>

>

>

[Guest guest]

No need for remediators. This entire house is being torn down. Demolished

completely.

Just went by there today and did not see the two that were complaining the last

few days.

>

> > In having my house torn down, I am amazed at people.

>

[Guest guest]

I doubt if the contractor hired like this. These are his employees, not day

workers and he

has seen what has happened to me in the last 3 years. He was spraying

contaminated on

what he could. HE personally took everything to the dump, but I'll bet some of

the stuff

comes out of the dump.

I have an iron clad contract demanding the things get disposed of properly

because they

are contaminated.

> >

> > I think that the act of tearing down walls in a moldy house can

> release

> > spore levels up to 1 million cfu/m3

> >

>

[Guest guest]

The builder has all the suits and face mask they need. They just don't want to

wear them. Trust me, I Iknow what space suit you are referring to. I am

COMPLETELY covered in a tyvek suit, full face mask, gloves, etc any time I go

near it.

Again, not my problem, but unfortunately, they may wish they had listened......

> >

> >> In having my house torn down, I am amazed at

> people. I really shouldn't

> >> be, but this free

> >> for all with the vultures tearing it down was

> quite amazing to watch.

> >>

> >> At first they actually started trying to divy up

> who was going to take

> >> what out of my house.

> >> They have absolutely no idea what mold can do to

> you. It was quite

> >> upsetting, so

> >> everything got spray painted contaminated on it.

> Plus, the contractor

> >> signed legal papers

> >> acknowledging the contamination, and accepting

> responsibility of his

> >> employees, advising

> >> them to be fully suited when they entered the

> house.

> >>

> >> After the second day, the people who were emptying

> out the house were

> >> having horrible

> >> problems breathing and feeling sick by the

> afternoon. A couple have

> >> actually called in

> >> sick. Not only were they warned by the contractor,

> but I stood there and

> >> explained the

> >> different things that could happen, including lung

> problems.

> >>

> >> Day three, everyone was wearing masks and there

> apparently was no more

> >> talk about who

> >> was going to take what. No one wanted anything.

> >>

> >> I am just amazed. Totally amazed........

> >>

> >> Thank goodness the house will be on the ground by

> tomorrow and I don't

> >> have to worry

> >> about that anymore!!!

> >>

> >> _

> >>

> >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

You don't get it. They don't care, nor do they realize how sick it will make

them. I am not

going to educate them any further. I strongly suggested they wear protective

gear, told

them what could happen, but... they know better than I do....

My tail is covered. I have legal documents signed by the contractor releasing

me of any

liability.

I didn't start this thread to debate who should be wearing what when they tear

down my

house, I was just amazed at how they act like vultures preying on other's

misfortune.

If you want to try to educate them, then go for it. I don't have the time or

patience to do

it.

> > No need for remediators. This entire house is being torn down. Demolished

> > completely.

> > Just went by there today and did not see the two that were complaining the

> > last few days.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I used to feel so sorry for the good hearted volunteers that went to

Louisiana to help out. Not comparing that to this but made me

remember. Couldn't a contractor have done this in a way to contain any

contaminant, or didn't anyone see the need to do that?

--- In , LiveSimply <quackadillian@...>

wrote:

>

> Well, when I said remediators

[Guest guest]

Maybe somewhere other than my house. I want nothing to do with it!!! I am sure

you

understand why...

>

> Aside from toxicity issues, it is smart to reuse already-manufactured, cut

> down, processed, etc. items to prevent their having to be manufactured over

> and over again. Also, older items are often better made than newer ones.

>

> Builders often seek out these older materials because they are worth a lot

> in today's dollars.

>

> The wood is probably recyclable..

>