Re: question to carl and jeff and anyone else?

[Guest guest]

Jill,

I will defer to Jeff on the chemisty if he disagrees with any of the

following. I suggest simply warm water and a mild detergent

which you can tolerate. And air them out as much as possible.

The purpose is to remove as much of the " stuff " as possible,

regardless of " what it is. "

" What it is " now includes the original

sprores/mycotoxins/whatever plus the potassium permanganate

plus the carrier (water? Mixed yourself or a commercial product?)

plus the end result of all chemical reactions produced by the

combinations of this " soup. "

I would avoid ozone because it is an oxidizer similar to potassium

permanganate. Why use the same thing to remove the same

thing that didn't work?

Definitely avoid the IAQM because of the hydrogen peroxide

(same as the ozone, an oxidizer) and especially because of the

quats (quaternary ammonium compounds).

The fantasically good news is the reactions to the car have not

generalized to other exposures like in the past - what

calls Toxicant Induced Loss of Tolerance (TILT).

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

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>

> We have been desperately trying to salvage our home and cars and belongings

> since a cross contamination with mycotoxins, and possibly spores I'm realizing

> (it can't have spread this much without spores I think).

>

> Question --

>

> we have three cars that got contaminated. as a test we tried to spray

> potassium permanganate in one of the cars. now i'm not only reacting to mold

in

> there but also to the PP spray (my lungs hurt/eyes burn). Would it be wise to

> try to either

> - use an ozone machine in there now

> - use the IAQM spray which is strong hydrogen peroxide, quats, etc

> - just use soap and water

> - air out?

>

> We are literally desperate at this point as my headaches are only getting

> worse and worse when exposed to any of our stuff -- i'm fine when away from my

> things so I am positive this is from the mycotoxins, and yes, I'm positive

> it's mycotoxins. There's no doubt...and although I have MCS, I'm not reacting

> to other chemicals, too, as I can be around all the typical things that my

> friends are also using without a reaction (e.g. cars, condos, clothes

laundered

> in same stuff, etc).

>

> help?

>

> thanks

> Jill

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>

>

[Guest guest]

Mycotoxins in your car? Maybe, maybe not. If you have been exposed significantly

to elevated levels of mold, you have been sensitized. Your cars may have had

mold in them before from natural sources, not necessarily cross contamination.

How old are your cars, and where is the mold? The older the car, the more likely

it is to have mold. If carpet has gotten wet, mold is very likely. It may need

to be pulled up and dried. Perhaps a window or windshield leaks. Water coming in

around the windshield can go down in front of the dashboard and wet the carpet.

Old weather stripping around side windows can leak when it rains. If you always

sit in the front seat, you may never notice a small leak. Weather stripping in

the trunk may leak. Pull out the spare tire and see if there is water in the

spare tire well or on the carpet in the trunk. A clogged AC drain line can leak

water onto the carpet in front of the passenger seat. Even in winter, the AC is

used to help defrost the windshield, and a little water can drip. If you find

wet carpet, either remove it, or pull it loose and dry it thoroughly, and try

spraying the carpet top and bottom with Lysol or similar disinfectant if you can

tolerate it (sorry Carl, but it works for some people). You might need to drive

with the windows open for a week or so for the odor to dissipate, and to reduce

your risk of becoming sensitized to the disinfectant.

Air conditioners can develop mold. Some car dealers are familiar with this and

can treat the problem. Some cars have very good filters to prevent that problem.

But the filters get old and need to be replaced. I react to my filter once it

gets more than a year old. Look in the owner's manual for " cabin air filter " or

" passenger compartment filter " . They are $20-30, plus installation, though you

may be able to do it yourself. You can buy one at your dealer or NAPA. Once you

are sensitized, mold levels can be far below the odor threshhold and still cause

a problem. Examine things well, and you may solve your own problem.

Good luck

Gil

question to carl and jeff and anyone else?Posted by: " Jsverdlove@... "

Jsverdlove@... jbeansvedDate: Sat Jan 17, 2009 8:55 am ((PST)) We have been

desperately trying to salvage our home and cars and belongings since a cross

contamination with mycotoxins

[Guest guest]

Re mycotoxins in my car

Hi Gil

Well, the thing is that I keep doing what I think are pretty objective

tests. I can ride in friends' cars that are older and in much worse shape than

mine (ours are 2002 and 2000 and in great condition because I have MCS so I

took hyper-care). And the reason I feel things are getting cross contaminated

is that I will get something from a friend that is FINE when I'm out of the

house or in their car/house but then they take me home and I spend time either

in my house or car and the clothes get contaminated. Or I wash them in my

machine and dry them and they get contaminated.

This is only a " cross contamination " but I'm acutely sensitive to these

mycotoxins. Even if I clear for a bit then come back. WE're literally now

getting rid of everything we own right now and desperately seeking a safe place

for

me to go (with MCS it's not easy, with a new baby it's even harder).

I wish cleaning and airing out did something but we've been doing that for 6

weeks now to no avail. We have no money, husband is losing job in two

weeks, but I don't think we have a choice at this point.

I'm still open to suggestions, but having been through this before, I have

little hope left. The neurotoxic headaches are doing me in...and no it isn't

other stuff, for sure, it's just mycotoxins otherwise i'd feel these " other "

things on other people, in stores, in other homes, etc, and i'm not -- let me

rephrase that, I still have MCS sensitivities, but I'm not reacting to

anything like the way I'm reacting to the mycotoxins. I HATE mold.

ugh this is so awful.

any help still appreciated!

jill

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