Re: 80 spores of stachy per cubic meter-Air sample

[Guest guest]

The simple fact that it was sporulating means that it was dying. Were

the mold mats drying out?

Or maybe some mice or cockroaches were waking around inside of the walls?

Did you do any toxin tests of any bulk samples from inside the walls?

On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 12:33 AM, a Townsend <kmtown2003@...> wrote:

> Hi guys,

>

> Looking for some feed back. the air sample showed that was taken showed over

> 3,000 spores per cubic meter out of those were 80 airborne stachy spores.

>

> Any thoughts??

>

> a

>

QPCR can be useful too, if you can find dust that represents a

snapshot in time representative to when you lived there.

(and not new dust trucked in from a known clean building)

[Guest guest]

a, My first test showed 64. I have found, felt and heard nothing

possative about it if that tells you anything. That cannot be good.

       

Hi guys,

Looking for some feed back. the air sample showed that was taken showed over

3,000 spores per cubic meter out of those were 80 airborne stachy spores.

Any thoughts??

a

[Guest guest]

a,

I'm sure you know what I'm going to say so here is a short

version.

I would not expect Stachybotrys spores in the air without a source

somewhere. Which means long term dampness, often with

elevated yeast levels, depending on the materials involved. Long

term dampness is usually better (and more quickly) identified by

moisture measurements and observation than by after-the-fact

mold sampling.

If long term dampness occurs then the moisture needs to be

stopped, materials repaired, and mold removed whether it is

Stachy or any other kind of mold (or bacteria, etc) known or

unknown.

There is key information needed before a couple of numbers can

be interpreted. When, where, why, by what methods? Was mold

visible or only suspected? On what materials? Was the Stachy

location high up so the spores would fall downward or coming

from inside walls or from the floor disturbed by human activity?

Or were they in or near the forced air ducting? Were the samples

collected in the living space or the attic or the crawlspace or a

damp storage area? In an area near the dampness or far from it?

Calm air or disturbed air?

Can you provide some detail either here or privately?

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

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>

> Hi guys,

>

> Looking for some feed back. the air sample showed that was taken showed over

3,000 spores per cubic meter

> out of those were 80 airborne stachy spores.

>

> Any thoughts??

>

> a

>

>

[Guest guest]

Great explination Carl.

    

 

 

 

 

 

 

   

       

From: Carl E. Grimes <grimes@...>

Subject: Re: [] 80 spores of stachy per cubic meter-Air sample

Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 4:50 PM

a,

I'm sure you know what I'm going to say so here is a short

version.

I would not expect Stachybotrys spores in the air without a source

somewhere. Which means long term dampness, often with

elevated yeast levels, depending on the materials involved. Long

term dampness is usually better (and more quickly) identified by

moisture measurements and observation than by after-the-fact

mold sampling.

If long term dampness occurs then the moisture needs to be

stopped, materials repaired, and mold removed whether it is

Stachy or any other kind of mold (or bacteria, etc) known or

unknown.

There is key information needed before a couple of numbers can

be interpreted. When, where, why, by what methods? Was mold

visible or only suspected? On what materials? Was the Stachy

location high up so the spores would fall downward or coming

from inside walls or from the floor disturbed by human activity?

Or were they in or near the forced air ducting? Were the samples

collected in the living space or the attic or the crawlspace or a

damp storage area? In an area near the dampness or far from it?

Calm air or disturbed air?

Can you provide some detail either here or privately?

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

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>

> Hi guys,

>

> Looking for some feed back. the air sample showed that was taken showed over

3,000 spores per cubic meter

> out of those were 80 airborne stachy spores.

>

> Any thoughts??

>

> a

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi folks,

I might be responding out of context since I didn't catch what led up

to this question, but for concentration of stachybotrys in the air,

for example, my son's bedroom, had

a raw spore count of 121

1610 spores/cubic meter

This level was achieved via the fact that:

* the exterior wall was moldy from water damage - bad construction

and uncaulked light fixtures on a wall that gets the driving rain.

* southern exposure and a heater vent on the inside probably caused

some convection to dry them out and suck them into the room

* I inadvertently had often used an air filter (which I pushed near

that wall) to " clean " the room - so I probably just sucked them out

and spread them around.

And, if it's of any interest, the mold was found " accidentally " as I

never smelled anything, and attributed my son's problems to Lyme et.

al.. I only found the water damage after having the entire house

checked because I smelled something musty in the entry way, and

thought, why not have everything checked?

Deb

[Guest guest]

Just in case the question was regarding harmful levels, I believe that

when I consulted with Dr. S in Florida, even 5 spores of Stachy

were " too many " and harmful.

Deb