Re: toxic mold does not exist

[Guest guest]

There are very few doctors who recognize that some molds can be toxigenic.  I

think Dr. Shoemaker in MD is the best out there at present. 

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From: photoguys2003 <photoguys2003@...>

Ive been bragging to my friends for the past month about seeing " the

best neurologists " in the country at UCLA medical center and how i

needed brain scans to check the damage toxic mold has done. I had been

looking forward to my first appointment at ucla which seemed like

forever to arrive. LA is 4 hours from my home so i had to leave at 5am

to reach the appointment in time today.

After a brief question and answer period the neurologist says to me

" there is no such thing as toxic mold " . Its all in peoples heads and

people are just trying to make money by lying about it. " theres mold

in this room right now " . " Black mold is sticky and does not get in the

air " . " im the toxic mold expert here " .

So dont go to UCLA for any help with toxic mold exposure. So

frustrating! !!!!!!!!

Eli

p.s. he agreed to give me a mri if my insurance approves it because of

my headaches only. will let everyone know if i get the brain scans later

[Guest guest]

What kind of scans did you get? Were there any abnormalities on them?

I've read and heard from leading neuroscientists that there are often

major abnormalities on imaging.

BTW, if you were talking about stachybotrys chartarum, stachy's

macrocyclic trichothecene

toxins and other immunotoxic, cytotoxic and inflammatory particles do

go into the air, many " particles smaller than conidia " ,

which are highly respirable dont have destinctive stachy spore oval

shape so spore tests don't see them.

Thats why spore tests should never be relied upon in many situations

to say " a stachy building is safe " because it often isn't.

Spore tests measure spores, which are a

completely different thing than toxins.

Spore tests done on air from buildings with stachybotrys inside of the

walls often show no stachybotrys spores even when there is a serious

stachybotrys problem.

Here are two references you can send him/her.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15640178

Appl Environ Microbiol. 2005 Jan;71(1):114-22.Click here to read

Click here to read Links

Detection of airborne Stachybotrys chartarum macrocyclic

trichothecene mycotoxins on particulates smaller than conidia.

Brasel TL, DR, SC, Straus DC.

Department of Microbiology and Immunology, TTUHSC, 3601 4th St.,

Lubbock, TX 79430, USA.

Highly respirable particles (diameter, <1 microm) constitute the

majority of particulate matter found in indoor air. It is hypothesized

that these particles serve as carriers for toxic compounds,

specifically the compounds produced by molds in water-damaged

buildings. The presence of airborne Stachybotrys chartarum

trichothecene mycotoxins on particles smaller than conidia (e.g.,

fungal fragments) was therefore investigated. Cellulose ceiling tiles

with confluent Stachybotrys growth were placed in gas-drying

containers through which filtered air was passed. Exiting particulates

were collected by using a series of polycarbonate membrane filters

with decreasing pore sizes. Scanning electron microscopy was employed

to determine the presence of conidia on the filters. A competitive

enzyme-linked immunosorbent assay (ELISA) specific for macrocyclic

trichothecenes was used to analyze filter extracts. Cross-reactivity

to various mycotoxins was examined to confirm the specificity.

Statistically significant (P < 0.05) ELISA binding was observed

primarily for macrocyclic trichothecenes at concentrations of 50 and 5

ng/ml and 500 pg/ml (58.4 to 83.5% inhibition). Of the remaining

toxins tested, only verrucarol and diacetylverrucarol (nonmacrocyclic

trichothecenes) demonstrated significant binding (18.2 and 51.7%

inhibition, respectively) and then only at high concentrations. The

results showed that extracts from conidium-free filters demonstrated

statistically significant (P < 0.05) antibody binding that increased

with sampling time (38.4 to 71.9% inhibition, representing a range of

0.5 to 4.0 ng/ml). High-performance liquid chromatography analysis

suggested the presence of satratoxin H in conidium-free filter

extracts. These data show that S. chartarum trichothecene mycotoxins

can become airborne in association with intact conidia or smaller

particles. These findings may have important implications for indoor

air quality assessment.

PMID: 15640178 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

(See the full text on PubMed Central and the related articles on this

paper, which are a wealth of recent stuff that expands on and

Straus's paper

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?tool=pubmed & pubmedid=1726724\

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Fungal Genet Biol. Author manuscript; available in PMC 2008 July 1.

Published in final edited form as:

Fungal Genet Biol. 2007 July; 44(7): 641–647.

Published online 2006 December 24. doi: 10.1016/j.fgb.2006.12.007.

PMCID: PMC1950243

NIHMSID: NIHMS25417

Biomechanics of conidial dispersal in the toxic mold Stachybotrys chartarum

Tucker, L. Stolze, H. Kennedy, and P. Money1

Department of Botany, Miami University, Oxford, Ohio 45056, USA

1Corresponding author; e-mail, moneynp@...

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>Abstract

1. Introduction

2. Materials and methods

3. Results

4. Conclusions

References

Abstract

Conidial dispersal in Stachybotrys chartarum in response to

low-velocity airflow was studied using a microflow apparatus. The

maximum rate of spore release occurred during the first 5 min of

airflow, followed by a dramatic reduction in dispersal that left more

than 99% of the conidia attached to their conidiophores.

Micromanipulation of undisturbed colonies showed that micronewton (μN)

forces were needed to dislodge spore clusters from their supporting

conidiophores. Calculations show that airspeeds that normally prevail

in the indoor environment disturb colonies with forces that are

1,000-fold lower, in the nanonewton (nN) range. Low-velocity airflow

does not, therefore, cause sufficient disturbance to disperse a large

proportion of the conidia of S. chartarum.

Keywords: allergen, conidiophore, digital video analysis,

micromanipulation, mycotoxin, satratoxin, spore

On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 12:32 AM, photoguys2003 <photoguys2003@...> wrote:

>

>p.s. he agreed to give me a mri if my insurance approves it because of

> my headaches only. will let everyone know if i get the brain scans later

>

>

[Guest guest]

-Eli: Sorry for that experience at UCLA. I just wanted to tell you

that here at EHC that use spect scan and said it is much better than

MRI for showing toxicity as it shows blood flow and MRI is only still

pictures of slices of your brain, does not show " activity. " Ask for a

spect scan instead. I had an MRI that showed nothing unusal, and 2

months later had a spect scan that showed severe neruo-toxicity.

Diane

-- In , " photoguys2003 "

<photoguys2003@...> wrote:

>

> Ive been bragging to my friends for the past month about seeing " the

> best neurologists " in the country at UCLA medical center and how i

> needed brain scans to check the damage toxic mold has done.

[Guest guest]

Diane,

What is EHC? Can you tell me more about it? I need some spect scans as well.

Thanks

Eli

 

-Eli: Sorry for that experience at UCLA. I just wanted to tell you

that here at EHC that use spect scan and said it is much better than

MRI for showing toxicity as it shows blood flow

[Guest guest]

Hey Diane-

Was it a Neurologist that diagnosed your neuro-toxicity? If not, what

kind of doctor? Were there any other tests that supported the

diagnosis? I live in Southwest Ohio, kind of near Cincinnati. Is

anyone aware of a physician that knows about neuro-toxicity in this

area, or at least closer to me than Dr. Shoemaker? Anyone?

Thanks.

confetteme

-- In , " dianebolton52 " <dianebolton@...>

wrote:

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>and 2

> months later had a spect scan that showed severe neruo-toxicity.

> Diane

[Guest guest]

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They made the diagnosis where I had the scan done. You need an

environmental/occupational doctor or clinic. Check here

www.aaem.com D

In , " confetteme " <angiefette@...> wrote:

>

> Hey Diane-

>

> Was it a Neurologist that diagnosed your neuro-toxicity? If not,

what

> kind of doctor?