Re: Allergic vs. Toxic reaction

[Guest guest]

Do you have the source of this info?  Is it available on the web?

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From: unitedstatesvet <unitedstatesvet@...>

Sent: Saturday, January 3, 2009 3:23:35 PM

Subject: [] Allergic vs. Toxic reaction

I just pulled this out of some old files and thought it might be

interesting for the many new members to read over and the rest of us

check it out again if you have seen it already.

[Guest guest]

I only have the printouts and cannot remember where I got them from. I will try

to figure it out though.

    

 

 

 

 

 

 

   

       

From: <brianc8452@...>

Subject: Re: [] Allergic vs. Toxic reaction

Date: Saturday, January 3, 2009, 10:04 PM

Do you have the source of this info?  Is it available on the web?

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From: unitedstatesvet <unitedstatesvet>

Sent: Saturday, January 3, 2009 3:23:35 PM

Subject: [] Allergic vs. Toxic reaction

I just pulled this out of some old files and thought it might be

interesting for the many new members to read over and the rest of us

check it out again if you have seen it already.

[Guest guest]

STACHYBOTRYS WEB SITE by ph P. Klein, Sr. M.D

http://www.stachy.5u.com/

--- In , <brianc8452@...>

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> Do you have the source of this info?  Is it available on the web?

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> From: unitedstatesvet <unitedstatesvet@...>

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> Sent: Saturday, January 3, 2009 3:23:35 PM

> Subject: [] Allergic vs. Toxic reaction

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> I just pulled this out of some old files and thought it might be

> interesting for the many new members to read over and the rest of

us

> check it out again if you have seen it already.

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[Guest guest]

Somethin tells me that is where I got it..  LOL  Wierd though I dont have a web

page or anything on my printout. I dont know??

From: tigerpaw2c <tigerpaw2c@...>

Subject: [] Re: Allergic vs. Toxic reaction

Date: Saturday, January 3, 2009, 11:34 PM

STACHYBOTRYS WEB SITE by ph P. Klein, Sr. M.D

http://www.stachy. 5u.com/

[Guest guest]

I saw a good article yesterday about how the body detoxifies almost everything

via the cytochrome P450 enzyme system. It uses aflatoxin B1 as an

example of the detoxification of a xenobiotic.

All mycotoxins are xenobiotics...

The exposures add up and even just that alone can overload the body's

detoxification pathways ...

http://www.aapsj.org/view.asp?art=aapsj080112

Cytochrome P450s and Other Enzymes in Drug Metabolism and Toxicity

F. Guengerich1

[Guest guest]

That's interesting because the only medication I take is a

benzodiazepene and it seems to me I read somewhere that they disrupt

the P450 enzyme system. I will look up more on this. Thanks.

--- In , LiveSimply <quackadillian@...>

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> I saw a good article yesterday about how the body detoxifies almost

everything

> via the cytochrome P450 enzyme system. It uses aflatoxin B1 as an

> example of the detoxification of a

[Guest guest]

Stop it already. I am still trying to learn micotoxin now xeno what... lol I

dont think I would have done to well in biology or whatever it is you learn all

this type stuff. Seems so incredibly complicated

I saw a good article yesterday about how the body detoxifies almost everything

via the cytochrome P450 enzyme system.

[Guest guest]

Barb, Your talking about xanax or Valium type medicine. I take xanax so clearly

I am now curious. Are you saying taking this type medicine keeps something from

working right? IE keeping this enzyme system from healing something?  I would

find this interesting that that would not be considered in many applications.

Again, I would love to think I could figure all of this stuff out, or should I

say understand but it can get so complicated so fast. There are a number of

things to consider in everything that goes into our bodys. I of course dont say

that lightly...

That's interesting because the only medication I take is a

benzodiazepene and it seems to me I read somewhere that they disrupt

the P450 enzyme system. I will look up more on this. Thanks.

[Guest guest]

Yes, there are about a dozen benzo medicines and one of them is Xanax.

All are decendents of sort of valium. Benzos are a shorter acting,

less addicting -supposedly-, version of valium, anti-anxiety

medicines. I Googled it and came up with some info on P450 and

benzos. If I find something clear, I'll send it directly to you. I

did see where they don't recommend 'azole' type of antifungals be taken

with benzos but it says it may increase blood levels of benzos...which

sounds good to me!! Anyway, I will forward any of that to you also.

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> Barb, Your talking about xanax or Valium type medicine.

[Guest guest]

You are exactly right about the benzo family. I wonder why then there is no

warning of such in any warnings of side affects. They make sure you know not to

dring grapfruit juice with xanax but they dont put that warning with the other

benzo medications. It is supose to have that same type affect which I have never

experienced but never the less. Why would it not be just as important to warn of

this other side affect or that with some antifungals there would be the

grapefruit affect (ill call it)

 

Now this may or may not make any sence but here I find myself talking about

several different things. Grapefruit seed extract is supose to be good for detox

of mycotoxins, correct. If this other enzyme thing also helps rebuild or remove

then what this is telling me is xanax and or other medications I or we dont know

about could be keeping healing from happening??  Hmmm

    

 

 

 

 

 

 

   

       

From: barb1283 <barb1283@...>

Subject: [] Re: Allergic vs. Toxic reaction

Date: Sunday, January 4, 2009, 10:40 PM

Yes, there are about a dozen benzo medicines and one of them is Xanax.

All are decendents of sort of valium. Benzos are a shorter acting,

less addicting -supposedly- , version of valium, anti-anxiety

medicines. I Googled it and came up with some info on P450 and

benzos. If I find something clear, I'll send it directly to you. I

did see where they don't recommend 'azole' type of antifungals be taken

with benzos but it says it may increase blood levels of benzos...which

sounds good to me!! Anyway, I will forward any of that to you also.

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> Barb, Your talking about xanax or Valium type medicine.

[Guest guest]

I haven't really studied the benzo, P450 issue but I think there

is some affect of the P450 doesn't allow the benzos to be 'cleared' as

fast as they should, so longer half life, which if you take alot could

mean you would overdose more easily. I don't take much so if it made

it last longer, I think I would like that. The material I read on

gov med site listed a warning about 'azoles' and benzos. It probably

would be more an issue if you took a benzo all day. Some people take

it say three times a day for panic disorder. Then how fast it cleared

your system would have a big impact. However it did say you can take

antifungals, just cautioned about the 'azoles'. I think if you take

just at bedtime or something, it probably wouldn't be a problem but

then you would ask a doctor of course.

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> You are exactly right about the benzo family. I wonder why then there

is no warning of such in any warnings of side affects.