Re: OT: President Obama: Protect US from Medical Fascism:...

[Guest guest]

I can't agree more. I know we need changes but the big picture really

frightens me. I don't want socialized medicine. I think it would be good to have

medical records available to Drs. especially if you are out of town and on

vacation or you move, etc. But I don't feel comfortable with anyone like the

government, insurance companies, Social Security, lawyers and others having

access. I agree there is a lot going on that we don't know about and then all of

a

sudden it's here and we have no say in the matter.

Just my thoughts.

wrote:

Ya well that is step one to communism. That is all I will inject here but

you that have not read this bill have no idea what is happening behinf=d the

sences.

[Guest guest]

Let me kindly remind you it is a done deal. Let me re itterate how serious this

is, especially those of us they do not dem ill anyway, Say good bye Shoemaker

and doctor like this.

Let me also remind you I am not just trying to scare anyone, that is just how it

is now..

   

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I know we need changes but the big picture really

frightens me. I don't want socialized medicine.

[Guest guest]

Dr Shoemaker is a Preferred Provider with Anthem Blue Cross Blue

Shield. What do you mean by he and others like him area already gone?

>

> Let me kindly remind you it is a done deal. Let me re itterate how

serious this is, especially those of us they do not dem ill anyway, Say

good bye Shoemaker and doctor like this.

> Let me also remind you I am not just trying to scare anyone, that is

just how it is now..

>    

[Guest guest]

Additional question, if Dr Shoemaker and doctor's like him are already " gone " ,

how do you tie that to the new administration which has only been in office for

3 weeks?

I just don't get this post of yours...?

>

> Let me kindly remind you it is a done deal. Let me re itterate how

serious this is, especially those of us they do not dem ill anyway, Say

good bye Shoemaker and doctor like this.

> Let me also remind you I am not just trying to scare anyone, that is

just how it is now..

[Guest guest]

Not already, no it will take awhile and will be very subtle. If a doctor is not

treating his patience the government does not say he can (is really the botton

line of how to say it) or vice verca if the care they dont think is proper care

for this patient. You see now we find that good doctor we like or trust. with

one central place for all your records (which has been done for years just for

different reasons and not to this extent) Then if he also gets his way

(he=Obama) we will have govenment health insurance) I mean it does not tkae a

concperacy theorist to see this one comeing. Now turning to socialism how many

places or better yet people will able to get medical attention for exposure to

mold for example. " The government " already has told us where to go for help.

 

I mean I dont know how else to explain it before it become a subject that does

not belong on this board. I AM trying to tell you to read the bill, follow along

we will soon possibly not have medical help for many things. Think out of the

box, thats where we are heading

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From: barb1283 <barb1283@...>

Subject: [] Re: OT: President Obama: Protect US from Medical

Fascism:...

Date: Thursday, February 12, 2009, 11:32 PM

Dr Shoemaker is a Preferred Provider with Anthem Blue Cross Blue

Shield. What do you mean by he and others like him area already gone?

>

> Let me kindly remind you it is a done deal. Let me re itterate how

serious this is, especially those of us they do not dem ill anyway, Say

good bye Shoemaker and doctor like this.

> Let me also remind you I am not just trying to scare anyone, that is

just how it is now..

>    

[Guest guest]

Thinking outside the box is what scares me the most. People are just

following along and do not understand what will happen to our health care

system as

we know it.

wrote:

Not already, no it will take awhile and will be very subtle. If a doctor is not

treating his patience the government does not say he can (is really the botton

line of how to say it) or vice verca if the care they dont think is proper care

for this patient.

[Guest guest]

I have not read the bill so you are way ahead of me, but I doubt the

new administration has in mind limiting health alternatives. That was

on the previous administration agenda that we were all fighting, of not

allowing people to buy vitamins over USDA recommended daily

allowances. Also insurance companies have been putting limits on

doctors to only do tests that are absolutely necessary and the

insurance company has an opinion as to if it was necessary,

following " standards in practice " that do not include anything about

mold, so that isn't new. Anyway, thanks for the heads up. I believe

though that this administration is not about limiting health care

option, or bringing in socialism, but has got to do more spending than

he planned on due to economic crisis.

If you find specific wording of bill where we can really see that and

you provide a link to that, that would be interesting. In that case, I

think we all would call our Congress people about it. Thanks Chris.

I have had it explained to me by a friend who is economist but it's too

lengthy to go into now but right now government is only place money can

come from to creat jobs. Really if unemployment continues, none of us

will be able to afford any health care at all, and everyone will be

seeking government assistance, so better to creat public works jobs

just to get " something for the money being put into the economy " . They

have to pump money into the economy. The fed restricted flow of money

into banks in order to bring up the value of the dollar overseas so we

could buy more oil cheaply and this put banks in a bad situation. They

were going to close and depositors would have lost their life savings.

The only thing to do to reverse it was to do the opposite...put lots of

money in, but government wants to get something back, so put people to

work doing work that is needed. We all need to be patient. These

people are dealing with something that has never happened before, our

biggest banks were on the verge of failing, so lets be patient but if you have

specific wording or link to area in bill specifically, we all want to anything

that may impact our health alternatives, please share but there tends to be alot

of criticsm between parties that is frankly just not based on facts but are

party warfare, with heightened language, fear mongering.

>

> Not already, no it will take awhile and will be very subtle.

[Guest guest]

in my case, my insurance company is limiting the services I get

according to my doctor and I have one of the better insurance plans my

doctor says. The insurance companies are restricting tests and sending

letters out to doctors who run tests that turn out to be negative, so

doctors are getting to the point where they are afraid to run a test

unless they **know for sure what person has already**, so I think this

is already happening but from insurance companies. Anyway, if you have

more information, let us know. Thanks

>

> Not already, no it will take awhile and will be very subtle. If a

doctor is not treating his patience the government does not say he can

(is really the botton line of how to say it) or vice verca if the care

they dont think is proper care for this patient.