Re: Iodine information and research

[Guest guest]

Fyi,

I generally asked my ND about the Japaneese study...he was familiar

with it. He had said in the ND circle of knowledge that it is a

flawed study and that the group studied were women closer to the

ocean...going inland, the results were different. We didn't

elaborate, but just relaying the general message...

" trust no-one but yourself... " LOL!

>

> Ok, will do. I agree with you that websites that are selling

something (in

> this case, Iosol iodine) should be discounted as possibly

unreliable, and I

> apologize for that post.

>

> Below is some research. I thought it important to point out that

the 50 -

> 100 mg of iodine being widely advocated is many, many times the RDA.

> Granted, the RDA may be wrong, but shouldn't people know that

alternative

> opinion does exist? While I believe that adequate iodine intake is

> mandatory, I also believe that excess iodine intake can be thyroid-

damaging.

> I was given iodine when pregnant with my first child 35+ years ago,

> apparently without adverse effect and perhaps with positive

effect. I did

> go hyperthyroid later but have no idea if there was a connection.

>

> If the word " caution " is, in fact, inflammatory, I will try to

avoid its

> use. Could you tell me what word you would find appropriate?

Certainly,

> women here should be aware that not everything in " Webland " is

accurate and

> safe. It is also important to know that anecdotal evidence is not

reliable

> and cannot be applicable to everyone.

>

> From the Linus ing Institute:

> <http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/minerals/iodine/>

> http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/minerals/iodine/

> The Recommended Dietary Allowance (RDA)

>

> " The RDA for iodine was reevaluated by the Food and Nutrition Board

(FNB) of

> the Institute of Medicine in 2001. The recommended amounts were

calculated

> using several methods, including the measurement of iodine

accumulation in

> the thyroid glands of individuals with normal thyroid function (6).

These

> recommendations are in agreement with those of the International

Council for

> the Control of Iodine Deficiency Disorders, the World Health

Organization,

> and UNICEF (2). . The recommended amount for adults, 19 years and

older, is

> 150 mcg/d. . The tolerable upper intake level (UL) for iodine for

adults, 19

> years and older, is 1,100 mcg/d. . Individuals with iodine

deficiency,

> nodular goiter, or autoimmune thyroid disease may be sensitive to

intake

> levels considered safe for the general population and may not be

protected

> by the UL for iodine intake. . Observational studies have found

increased

> iodine intake to be associated with an increased incidence of

thyroid

> papillary cancer. The reasons for this association are not clear. In

> populations that were previously iodine deficient, salt iodization

programs

> have resulted in relative increases in thyroid papillary cancers and

> relative decreases in thyroid follicular cancers. In general,

thyroid

> papillary cancers are less aggressive and have a better prognosis

than

> thyroid follicular cancers (30). "

> The Linus ing Institute has a pretty good discussion of iodine,

with

> references.

>

> If one wants to argue that the RDA is too low, certainly, I'd like

to see

> the arguments, supported with research. If, in fact, large doses

of iodine

> are safe and effective for people with autoimmune thyroid disease,

I'd like

> to see the research. So far, I haven't found any.

>

> One of the Institute's citations used 1.5, 3 and 6 mg iodine/d for

relief of

> breast pain and fibrosis and found good results with the 3 mg and 6

mg

> doses. That article called those amounts " supraphysiologic

levels. " [PMID:

> 15239792]

>

> Below are some other article excerpts. The full abstracts can be

found

> through Pubmed.

>

> Val

>

> J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2008 Feb 12

> Anti-thyroperoxidase and anti-thyroglobulin antibodies in a 5-year

follow-up

> survey of populations with different iodine intakes.

> Li Y, et. al.

> Department of Endocrinology and Metabolism and the Institute of

> Endocrinology, First Affiliated Hospital, China Medical University,

No.155

> Nanjing Bei St., Heping District, Shenyang, 110001, China.

>

> Conclusions: Subjects who were TPOAb and TgAb positive at baseline

developed

> thyroid dysfunctions more frequently than seronegative subjects.

High iodine

> intake was a risk factor for developing hypothyroidism in antibody

positive

> subjects. A constant exposure to excessive iodine intake increased

the

> incidence of positive TgAb.

> PMID: 18270254

> _______________

>

> Eur J Endocrinol. 2008 Feb;158(2):209-15.

> Serum TSH and serum thyroid peroxidase antibody fluctuate in

parallel and

> high urinary iodine excretion predicts subsequent thyroid failure

in a

> 1-year study of patients with untreated subclinical hypothyroidism.

> Karmisholt J, Laurberg P.

>

> CONCLUSION: At the time of inclusion, it was not possible to

identify the

> 24% of SH patients who would show deterioration in thyroid function

over the

> following year. Impairment in thyroid function varied in parallel

with

> thyroid autoimmunity, whereas high urinary iodine excretion

predicted high

> s-TSH and s-TPO-Ab 1 month later. PMID: 18230828

> _______________

>

> Clin Nephrol. 2008 Feb;69(2):107-13.

> Reversible primary hypothyroidism in Japanese patients undergoing

> maintenance hemodialysis.

> Sanai T, et. al.

> Department of Cardiovascular and Renal Medicine, Saga University

Faculty of

> Medicine, Saga, Japan.

>

> CONCLUSION: A high prevalence of reversible primary hypothyroidism

was found

> in end-stage renal disease patients on hemodialysis. Retention of

excess

> iodide may be the mechanism responsible for reversible

hypothyroidism rather

> than immunological perturbations. It is, therefore, recommended to

attempt

> iodide restriction before starting l-thyroxine replacement

therapy. PMID:

> 18218304

> _______________

>

> World J Surg. 2008 Feb 28 [Epub ahead of print]

> Hashimoto's Thyroiditis.

> Takami HE, Miyabe R, Kameyama K.

> Department of Surgery, Teikyo University School of Medicine, Tokyo,

Japan,

> takami@...

>

> However, some goiters seem not to be related to iodine deficiency.

> _______________

>

> Nutr Health. 2007;18(4):333-41.

> Population living in the Red Sea State of Sudan may need urgent

intervention

> to correct the excess dietary iodine intake.

> Izzeldin HS, et. al.

> Institute of Brain Chemistry and Human Nutrition, London

Metropolitan

> University.

>

> BACKGROUND: Both inadequate and high intakes of iodine are

associated with

> thyroid disease and associated abnormalities. . CONCLUSIONS: .

There is an

> urgent need for a regulatory mechanism during the process of iodine

> fortification and at the point of entry of imported and donated

iodized salt

> as well as the mode of delivery in order to avoid hyperthyroidism

and

> associated disorders. In addition, independent professionals should

> critically evaluate the health impact of excessive consumption of

the

> nutrient.

> PMID: 18087865

> _______________

>

> J Endocrinol Invest. 2008 Jan;31(1):29-34.

> Transient congenital hypothyroidism in an iodine-replete area is

not related

> to parental consanguinity, mode of delivery, goitrogens, iodine

exposure, or

> thyrotropin receptor autoantibodies.

> Ordookhani A,

> Endocrine Research Center, Shaheed Beheshti University of Medical

Sciences,

> Tehran, Iran.

>

> CONCLUSIONS: Elevated UIC [urinary iodine concentration]was the most

> frequent finding in newborns with TCH [transient congenital

hypothyroidism]

>

> From: rhythmicliving

[mailto:rhythmicliving ]

> On Behalf Of lynnelalala@...

>

> Since when do we post " medical " information from for-profit

companies

> hawking a product?

> We don't even know the author's name. This is totally bogus and

> transparently manipulative post.

>

> And, Val, the term, " caution " is a very inflammatory. This is what

Wiley

> did to us. This is what Lee did.

>

> Please read up on the recent iodine literature and report from

that. Or post

> your own experience. It is not acceptable to post anonymous hearsay

to

> rythmicliving as a caution.

>

> Lynne

>

> In a message dated 4/5/2008 3:46:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> val@... writes:

> Just a cautionary note:

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Sam,

On the breast cancer thing w/iodine is there a published study? just curious. My

concern is

similar to Val, in that when someone is taking so many different hormones it is

difficult to

examine which ones do what and just because one person does well on something

does

not translate to everyone doing well on it.

It is hard to determine what works best for your own body but I think working

w/a good

Dr, blood testing and reading the published medical studies seems to be the

least risky

way to go. I do not take Armour but I take the synthetic versions and feel fine,

again

maybe others feel better on Armour but the ratios in pig thyroid are still not

exactly what

the human thyroid makes.

So I guess there is risk to everything even choosing not to supplement there is

risk.

Karin (bigbird)

>

> I wasn't aiming at you or anyone else, Val, just at the general discussion

> on iodine...to learn how I learned, from the real deal iodine guys doing

> the research.

>

> Optimox makes Iodoral...it's Dr Abraham's as they basically are

> responsible for making Lugol's Solution into pill form.

>

> The links I send are the real deal ones...Brownstein, Flechas, Abraham,

> etc. These are the real deal links to learn from regardless, and none of

> them are " suspect " .

>

> You mention 50-100mg iodine/iodoide. 100mg is being used for " cancer "

> patients. 50mg is being used to " reverse iodine deficiency " as this may be

> the better amount that iodolipids (good things) are formed.

>

> Here's some facts:

> Dr Derry cured breast cancer using iodine/iodide.

> I (along with many others) reversed fibrocystic breast disease using

> iodine/iodide.

> Ask Steph (ladybugsandbees) about iodine/iodide curing thyroid cancer.

> Iodine kills staph infection.

>

> Ask people who are smartly using iodine/iodide what positve things it's

> done for them. I think that goes with everything, tho. If you're curious

> about something, ask those who are most familiar with it. For example

> cortisol for adrenal support. I used it, a large percentage of the members

> on my thyroidless group use it...because it's needed, and taken at low

> doses with absolutely no ill effects whatsoever. And be very wary of those

> few who run around like a chicken with it's head cut off sceaming to

> anyone who will listen that this, that, and the other thing (from coffee,

> motor oil, leather shoes, bio-identicals, Armour, iodine, Kentucky Fried

> Chicken, to bananas, air planes, ocean cruises, cedar shavings, and

> motorcycles, etc) is bad bad bad bad for us because 'they' had a negative

> experience with it, no matter what it may be.

>

> The other thing is pharmaceutical research based on synthetic hormones and

> drugs does not apply to natural bio-identicals simply because they are not

> the same things. It sure weirds me out when I'm told Armour is bad for me

> because Synthroid causes hair and bone loss. Hmmm...

>

> Ok, that's it for me for now. <grin>

>

> Sam :-D

>

> =====

> > Sam, I just got done apologizing for posting a website that was selling

> > something, namely Feosol.

> >

> > I will read your sites, but if they are selling anything, then the

> > information becomes automatically suspect. If these websites are mere

> > opinion, then the information is not reliable.

> >

> > I notice on the Optimox website it says, " One tablet of Iodoral supplies

> > an

> > amount of total elemental iodine, comparable to the average daily intake

> > of

> > this essential element by mainland Japanese, a population with a very low

> > prevalence of fibrocystic disease of the breast and breast cancer. " That

> > may be true, but it should also say that the prevalence of hypothyroidism

> > in

> > high-iodine consuming Japanese is high. Perhaps one tablet of iodine

> > would

> > be good for all women. Perhaps 50mg - 100 mg, as some advocate, would not

> > be. We don't know.

> >

> > I continue to look for bona-fide research about all the wonderful effects

> > of

> > iodine and have not found much. Without genuine research, all the iodine

> > rangers are no more reliable than the progesterone rangers, i.e., Lee

> > and company, Susie Wiley and company, etc. And, of course, we all have to

> > exercise caution even with research. Unless results and theories are

> > supported with other research, they mean little. And of course, we always

> > need to look at the integrity of the data and method.

> >

> > I continually am alarmed about women stressing themselves with " too much. "

> > Too much thyroid, too much cortisol, too much iodine, too much

> > progesterone,

> > too much estrogen, too many supplements, and the list goes on.

> >

> > Over the years, when we expressed frustration about the apparently

> > negative

> > effects of progesterone, we were told, " Use more. " We weren't told that

> > progesterone is an anti-estrogen. In fact, we were told that estrogen is

> > our enemy. When we couldn't get up to 3 - 5 grains of Armour, we were

> > told,

> > " Take cortisol or Isocort or ground animal parts. " When we were made very

> > ill with the Wiley Protocol, we were told, " You're not doing it right. "

> > Now, when we can't tolerate massive doses of iodine, we are told, " Drink

> > salt or take cortisol or ground up animal tissue. "

> >

> > None of the Internet " practitioners " will be around when women's adrenals

> > become atrophied or they become Cushinoid from the over-use of cortisol.

> > They won't be around when women have a stroke from the over-use of salt.

> > Never do I see a caution on the use of salt in cases of hypertension. In

> > fact, I read a study the other day that said that both hypertensives and

> > normals lived longer if they limited sodium intake. I could go on and on.

> >

> > When I protested to on this list last week, I was told that

> > Celtic

> > sea salt doesn't cause water retention. I responded that, unless Celtic

> > sea

> > salt has no sodium content, then that statement couldn't be true. She had

> > no interest in discussing whether her statement was true or not because an

> > admission that Celtic sea salt has sodium would interfere with her iodine

> > advocacy. That is not science, and the blind advocacy is frightening.

> >

> > My point is that without bona-fide research, these fads have the potential

> > to really damage women. Women who come to these boards are vulnerable as

> > is

> > anyone experiencing some malfunction. There is some research on estrogen

> > and the progestins. We have at least some idea of the risks and benefits.

> > There is little or no research on whether progesterone has the same

> > negative

> > effect on breasts as the synthetic progestins, though research on

> > progesterone is beginning to emerge. We " think " bio-identical estrogens

> > and

> > progesterone are somehow safer but we don't " know " that.

> >

> > Please don't take this as a criticism but rather, as a discussion. I am

> > always grateful to you for your unending devotion to trying to help other

> > women.

> >

> > This message is copyrighted and may not be reproduced, in whole or in

> > part,

> > anywhere else without the written permission of the author. Pat the

> > Pervert, that means you!

> >

> > Val

> >

> > -----Original Message-----

> > From: rhythmicliving

> > [mailto:rhythmicliving ]

> > On Behalf Of k9gang@...

> >

> >

> > Let's read about iodine:

> > http://www.naturalthyroidchoices.com/Iodine.html

> > http://www.iodine4health.com

> > http://www.breastcancerchoices.org/iodineindex.html

> > http://www.helpmythyroid.com/iodine.htm

> > http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/opt_Iodoral.htm

> > http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/IOD-04/IOD_04.html

> >

> > The human body requires a specific amount of iodine in order to remaine

> > alive. Without any iodine in the human body, it will not be able to remain

> > alive. Without " enough " iodine in the body, the various bells, whistles,

> > grears, and cogs will not work properly. And if you've read the 6 iodoine

> > links I've provided, you'll know what can happen to a human body with not

> > " enough " iodine in it...it ain't pretty...

> >

> > Here is my observation on AIT and taking iodine/iodide:

> > People with thyroid antibodies (aka autoimmune thyroid stuff) have been

> > " cautioned " (to varying degrees) that they can have problems taking

> > iodine/iodide. BUT, the caution should have also included " test/treat

> > adrenals, and THAT should be told to everyoe considering taking

> > iodine/iodide. BOTH cortisol AND aldosterone. " Every person with AIT that

> > I know and have had contact with, that did " not " address their adrenals

> > had problems taking iodine/iodide. However, when some of them went ahead

> > and tested/treated adrenals they where then able to take iodine/iodide

> > without issue. " My " experience with this is that I was able to take 50mg

> > iodine/iodide without issue UNTIL my aldosterone tanked (I do not have

> > AIT). After I tested/treated low aldosterone (low cortisol was already

> > addressed) I was again able to take 50mg iodine/iodide without issue.

> >

> > Sam

> >

>