Re: update from Jill

[Guest guest]

I'm sorry to hear that things are so bad for you right now. I don't know where

you are located, but since your family and your baby are back East, maybe you

could stay with them and get treated by Dr. Shoemaker in land. I'm sure

that others in the Sickbuildings Group will have more advice and suggestions.

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From: " Jsverdlove@... " <Jsverdlove@...>

moldtheseverereactor

Cc:

Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 10:18:41 AM

Subject: [] update from Jill

I'm heartbroken but desperate - I just gave my baby to my family, who took

her back East, so that I can figure out where and how to detox. My husband is

still dealing with trying to get rid of our old place and all our stuff,

cars, etc, and his office is cross-contaminated for me so we haven't been able

to see him or have his help.

I'm really sick. I'm reacting to everything again, some cross

contamination still probably, some other just " stuff " like gas heat, the car I'm

borrowing, the laundry machine I'm using (unless I'm spreading mycotoxins from

my

sweat still) etc. I'm acutely sensitive to mycotoxins but the levels in the

house must be incredibly minute because a lot of things seemed ok when I took

them outside - I just can't chance another cross contamination. Anyway - I wish

there were a good source for a lot of things we're leaving behind (expensive

air filters, heavenly heat sauna, etc) if anyone has any ideas...of course

it couldn't be to anyone who is sensitive to mycotoxins!

As far as me, I'm hoping for some help from the lists.

I had my mycotoxin lab tests run --

18 ochratoxin (aspergillus and penicillium)

..6 tricothecene (stachy)

I've started on CSM, Ampho B nasal spray, diflucan, liposomal and IV

glutathione. I'm kinda piecing this together myself with the support of a

local doc

who doesn't do this but understands my situation. I'd go to a clinic but

worry about housing. Anyone know whether Lieberman's clinic has safe housing

yet? Or Dr Gray?

I'm unsure how much CSM to use at this point. Any input welcome.

I will also go to the local rec center to sauna (we left my sauna behind).

But I'd have to shower in chlorinated water - will that defeat the purpose?

Living situation - it got cold again so i can't camp. I'm looking to buy a

safe RV although worried I'd cross contaminate it at this point until I

detox. In the meantime, we rented a house where I'm definitely having some

issues

with the gas heat - but we also left our ridiculously expensive

($1000/each! ) electric MCS safe heaters behind (oh all those years of investing

in MCS

products). And I need heat. I can't afford to buy anything expensive now, and

cheap heaters offgas.

I have no clothes. I bought a few items but realize the machine has

residual Tide and either that or mycotoxins are affecting me when I wash

clothes. I

need to get new stuff and wash only in the sink for now - but how to get out

the " new " formaldehyde if washing in a sink? Soaking in vinegar for days?

Clothing is a really tough one.

I want to get strong enough to be able to care for my baby again. I will do

anything. I can't physically build my own RV so , please think of

something else! I am mostly fine when outside but don't have much in terms of

transportation to get supplies...as I keep somehow?? cross contaminating cars I

borrow - OR sensitizing to them (it seems I can't differentiate anymore I'm

so overloaded).

Anyway - all ideas welcome. This is now past desperation point. I'd like

to make the rental house work as best as possible while I'm hear until we

figure out where to go. And I'd like to detox as much as possible from the

mycotoxins - so that's the first line of action.

Thanks

Jill

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[Guest guest]

Dear Jill,

So sorry to hear about your baby. What a trial!

As a person struggling with mold issues in my present home, I beg you PLEASE get

off Diflucan! Its side effects include liver failure.

See: http://doublecheckmd.com/EffectsDetail.do?dname=Diflucan & sid=3884 & eid=2064

Your system is already overloaded with toxins. Why don't you try small amounts

(1 teaspoon in a pint of water) of activated charcoal instead? Activated

charcoal is a universal detoxifier. In a famous experiment 200 years ago, a

scientist took a lethal dose of poison with activated charcoal and survived.

If that works for you, increase the dosage. You should buy activated charcoal

powder made from coconut shells, not coal. Activated charcoal helps me cope with

mold, as does Vitamin C in the form of sodium ascorbate added to water. While

Vit. C does not kill mold, it does help the body detoxify.

Water being the universal solvent, it's important to drink water each day and

take in enough salt to replace that which is being washed out.

In addition, I have found liquid stabilized oxygen at www.abi4health.com and

liquid chlorophyll to be extremely helpful in detoxifying from mold.

Have also found kombucha to be very helpful in detoxification.

Hope that helps,

>

> I'm heartbroken but desperate - I just gave my baby to my family, who took

> her back East, so that I can figure out where and how to detox. My husband

is

> still dealing with trying to get rid of our old place and all our stuff,

> cars, etc, and his office is cross-contaminated for me so we haven't been able

> to see him or have his help.

>

[Guest guest]

Holy moly Jill,

 I completly understand, But I will have to ponder this for a while. I am still

trying to find alot of these answers myself. As far as the CSM. Do 4 scoops a

day. You can mix some sorbitol with it which will sweeten it a bit and help keep

things moveing along. I dont know if it helps really or not as I have not had

the most possative results myself. I dont know what the reasons for that is

because some say it helps and some it does not, but that is the amount Dr.

Shoemaker told me to do. But with all the other stuff your takeing there are two

things to concider that I have no full answer to. 1.does the CSM remove other

medacines along with the toxins. The answer I havwe so far is to stager the

medacines so that if it does this should help.??? 2. With all the meds you are

takeing, how much of your missery is caused from die off, and if there is alot

of die off, do you have a colonization that is not completly dieing?

Those are two of my biggest questions because after the CSM and leaving

everything etc. a year after that I was tested and found to have a large amount

of tricothesines still in my system. Are they still there? I dont know because

of the cost of testing etc. Therefore I dont really have those answers but still

wonder.

 

Beyond this, I would highly recomend " " or whoever asked what to take, have

a good ponder at this post and make your decision based on this. Cross

contamination can be a b***h.

 

 

I wish you all the best and will respond again if I can come up with any better

of a reply.

 

Chris...

    

 

 

 

 

 

 

   

   Sickbuilding Syndrome should be one of your greatest concerns.    

 www.biotoxin.info    

From: Jsverdlove@... <Jsverdlove@...>

Subject: [] update from Jill

moldtheseverereactor

Cc:

Date: Tuesday, March 24, 2009, 1:18 PM

I'm heartbroken but desperate - I just gave my baby to my family, who took

her back East, so that I can figure out where and how to detox. My husband is

still dealing with trying to get rid of our old place and all our stuff,

cars, etc, and his office is cross-contaminated for me so we haven't been able

to see him or have his help.

[Guest guest]

>

> I'm heartbroken but desperate - I just gave my baby to my family, who took

> her back East, so that I can figure out where and how to detox. My husband

is

> still dealing with trying to get rid of our old place and all our stuff,

> cars, etc, and his office is cross-contaminated for me so we haven't been able

> to see him or have his help.

>

> Thanks

> Jill

>

[Guest guest]

Hugs to you. Sometimes it very difficult doing what's right. Giving your child

to your parents for a while was a very good decision. It might keep her from

having breathing problems/asthma. Just remember your goal is to keep her

protected and safe first. Just call her a lot to find out how things are going.

llaci

[Guest guest]

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: I just had to cancel an appt with Dr. Lieberman because I could not find

safe housing, do you mind me asking where you stayed? I was going to try the new

motel across the street but it has not opened yet. The motels I did call said

they DID indeed spray with pesticides and also the apts they recommend have been

sprayed in the past (would stop for me) I just couldnt take the chance, and I

was so disappointed. Where did you stay that was safe for you? My other problem

was that I do not have a vehicle, that is why the motel across the street was

appealing. Thanks, so glad you are doing well and the detox brought your health

back. D

In , " kalemagem@... " <moldsick@...> wrote:

>

> Dear Jill,

>

> I was exactly in your place about a year ago and ended up getting rid of

everything we owned and moving to another rental with my family. We literally

undressed in the garage and had new clothes in the house waiting to change into.

I hate to tell you,but I got even sicker where I was not able to even go outside

as I was reacting to everything and ended up being pretty much house bound for 6

mths.

[Guest guest]

With ALL the anti fungal medications you run the risk of liver failure. You

should be monitored very closely.

--- In , " heliotropium@... " <heliotropium@...>

wrote:

>

> Dear Jill,

>

> So sorry to hear about your baby. What a trial!

>

> As a person struggling with mold issues in my present home, I beg you PLEASE

get off Diflucan! Its side effects include liver failure.

> See:

http://doublecheckmd.com/EffectsDetail.do?dname=Diflucan & sid=3884 & eid=2064

>

>

[Guest guest]

When you're out of that home and completely away from the mold, maybe that

would be the time to take Diflucan. I think Diflucan can do the job; but I

doubt you should be taking it long term.

When I was put on it, I took it every other day for no more than two weeks due

to the severe reactions it could have. Luckily it did the job in that time and

I was out of the mold environment. llaci

[Guest guest]

Thank - I'm actually out of the house and away from the contaminated items

(this was all " just " a cross contamination so no spores but mycotoxins that I'm

acutely sensitive to) -- anyway, what were the severe reactions you had to

Diflucan. I'm taking it and still only feel reactions to the things I

normally do...what should I watch for? They are monitoring my liver...

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