Guest guest Posted November 24, 1999 Report Share Posted November 24, 1999 In a message dated 11/24/99 9:36:23 AM Pacific Standard Time, chestnutt@... writes: << not in my opinion.. he was suggesting vingar for a yeast infection.. .not chronic Candida. Not all people who get yeast infections have the problem that you and I face. To me, it is a better remedy that Monostat or Nystatin... Hate that stuff. >> Why is she on this list then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 1999 Report Share Posted November 24, 1999 not in my opinion.. he was suggesting vingar for a yeast infection.. ..not chronic Candida. Not all people who get yeast infections have the problem that you and I face. To me, it is a better remedy that Monostat or Nystatin... Hate that stuff. FemDomSoc@... wrote: > > From: FemDomSoc@... > > In a message dated 11/24/99 4:53:24 AM Pacific Standard Time, > chestnutt@... writes: > > << > Anyhow, you have a great doctor to suggest that. I am impressed. I > just hate when they hand out those perscribtions when their is a natural > remedy. Please commend him for me. > > a >> > Any doctor who precribes vinagar for a a yeast problem is just not capable. > > > _ > > Subscription URL: /subscribe.cgi/candidiasis > > Send blank message to this e-mail address if you want to: > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE !!!!!!!!! : > > candidiasis-unsubscribeonelist > > To change status from normal to digest: > candidiasis-digestonelist > > To change status from digest to normal: > candidiasis-normalonelist > > To subscribe: > candidiasis-subscribeonelist > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 1999 Report Share Posted November 25, 1999 In a message dated 11/25/99 12:31:45 AM Eastern Standard Time, michellecmc@... writes: << easier to assimilate. And both apple cider vinegar and cultured vegetables encourage the growth of friendly bacteria. You'll see marked improvement in your health in two to three months once you begin including these products frequently with your meals. " >> Apple cider itself bothers me.......and I still disagree. Just because it is in a book doesn't make it fact. But hey, to each his or her own. I also have a yeast ALLERGY as well as the candida Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 1999 Report Share Posted November 25, 1999 Hi everyone, I have been gone for a couple of days with the flu but I wanted to comment on the recent discussion on vinegar. I am going to pass on the information I have on vinegar that I read in " The Body Ecology Diet " Maybe it will be helpful for some of you. " With two exceptions. fermented foods are not on the 'diet' because they create an environment conducive to multiplication of the yeast... You can have two types of (unheated) fermented foods: raw, unfiltered apple cider vinegar and raw, unsalted cultured vegetables. Apple cider vinegar and cultured vegetables allow the lactobacilli that fight yeast and other unhealthy flora to proliferate. Besides probiotics, which provide your body with beneficial flora, these cultured foods will be an important factor in recolonizing your inner ecological world. Apple cider vinegar is manufactured by several different companies. Some bottles are labeled " filtered " , some " unfiltered. " The unfiltered are best. Look for vinegar packaged in light-proof or dark opaque containers. This prevents photo oxidation and keeps the integrity of the product. Look for products that tell you on the label that they are raw, unpasteurized, and contain the " mother " of the vinegar, and the more of it, the better. Rich in potassium and alkaline-forming, apple cider vinegar is an " antidote " when you've had too much salt. A SPECIAL WORD OF CAUTION: Occasionally, very sensitive individuals find they have a reaction to eating these foods. This is because the cider vinegar and cultured vegetables cause a cleansing reaction that may be uncomfortable. Since few of us understand and trust the cleansing principle at first, it's possible to become frightened or intolerant of too much cleansing. If you fall in this category, hold off eating these foods for a few weeks until you no longer have a flare-up of your usual symptoms. Just follow the rest of the Diet guidelines. Don't give up on these valuable foods, though...try them later. " It also says that if you have a " binge " they suggest you drink a six-ounce glass of water with one tablespoon of apple cider vinegar in it. It suggests you make salad dressing with it because it is especially healing for the colon and will help reestablish the colonies fo friendly bacteria once the colon has been cleaned. " Unsalted raw cultured vegetables and raw apple cider vinegar provide these important plant enzymes (that aid digestion). Remember, foods properly used balance our bodies. It's important to eat both raw and cooked foods as a way of improving the body ecology. Try to eat a salad every day using the 'diet' dressing, and include at least 1/2 cup of unsalted cultured vegetables with your meals each day. The raw apple cider vinegar in the dressing helps 'pre-digest' lettuce, making it easier to assimilate. And both apple cider vinegar and cultured vegetables encourage the growth of friendly bacteria. You'll see marked improvement in your health in two to three months once you begin including these products frequently with your meals. " I hope this imformation is helpful for some of you. I know this is a lot of info but I didn't want to leave anything out. Take care, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 1999 Report Share Posted November 25, 1999 I am on this list because I need to be until I get this all sorted out. My husband bought me all of the books on candida and CFS. They all counterdicked them selves and each other. Like don't eat potatoes, or tomatoes, the other one says it is ok to eat them. That is only one item. Myra Re: Vinegar From: FemDomSoc@... In a message dated 11/24/99 9:36:23 AM Pacific Standard Time, chestnutt@... writes: << not in my opinion.. he was suggesting vingar for a yeast infection... .not chronic Candida. Not all people who get yeast infections have the problem that you and I face. To me, it is a better remedy that Monostat or Nystatin... Hate that stuff. >> Why is she on this list then _ Subscription URL: /subscribe.cgi/candidiasis Send blank message to this e-mail address if you want to: TO UNSUBSCRIBE !!!!!!!!! : candidiasis-unsubscribeonelist To change status from normal to digest: candidiasis-digestonelist To change status from digest to normal: candidiasis-normalonelist To subscribe: candidiasis-subscribeonelist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 1999 Report Share Posted November 25, 1999 That is only because you haven't tried it. I am still doing good. Myra Re: Vinegar From: a Perza <chestnutt@...> not in my opinion.. he was suggesting vingar for a yeast infection... not chronic Candida. Not all people who get yeast infections have the problem that you and I face. To me, it is a better remedy that Monostat or Nystatin... Hate that stuff.. FemDomSoc@... wrote: > > From: FemDomSoc@... > > In a message dated 11/24/99 4:53:24 AM Pacific Standard Time, > chestnutt@... writes: > > << > Anyhow, you have a great doctor to suggest that. I am impressed. I > just hate when they hand out those perscribtions when their is a natural > remedy. Please commend him for me.. > > a >> > Any doctor who precribes vinagar for a a yeast problem is just not capable.. > > > _ > > Subscription URL: /subscribe.cgi/candidiasis > > Send blank message to this e-mail address if you want to: > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE !!!!!!!!! : > > candidiasis-unsubscribeonelist > > To change status from normal to digest: > candidiasis-digestonelist > > To change status from digest to normal: > candidiasis-normalonelist > > To subscribe: > candidiasis-subscribeonelist > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 1999 Report Share Posted November 25, 1999 Dear , Thank you for this information. All I know is that this stuff helped me where nothing else could. It is so nice to feel normal again. Yes, I had all of the candida symptoms. Including the CFS. Cheerfully, Myra Re: vinegar From: Geoffroy <michellecmc@...> Hi everyone, I have been gone for a couple of days with the flu but I wanted to comment on the recent discussion on vinegar. I am going to pass on the information I have on vinegar that I read in " The Body Ecology Diet " Maybe it will be helpful for some of you.. " With two exceptions. fermented foods are not on the 'diet' because they create an environment conducive to multiplication of the yeast.... You can have two types of (unheated) fermented foods: raw, unfiltered apple cider vinegar and raw, unsalted cultured vegetables.. Apple cider vinegar and cultured vegetables allow the lactobacilli that fight yeast and other unhealthy flora to proliferate. Besides probiotics, which provide your body with beneficial flora, these cultured foods will be an important factor in recolonizing your inner ecological world.. Apple cider vinegar is manufactured by several different companies. Some bottles are labeled " filtered " , some " unfiltered. " The unfiltered are best.. Look for vinegar packaged in light-proof or dark opaque containers. This prevents photo oxidation and keeps the integrity of the product. Look for products that tell you on the label that they are raw, unpasteurized, and contain the " mother " of the vinegar, and the more of it, the better.. Rich in potassium and alkaline-forming, apple cider vinegar is an " antidote " when you've had too much salt.. A SPECIAL WORD OF CAUTION: Occasionally, very sensitive individuals find they have a reaction to eating these foods. This is because the cider vinegar and cultured vegetables cause a cleansing reaction that may be uncomfortable. Since few of us understand and trust the cleansing principle at first, it's possible to become frightened or intolerant of too much cleansing. If you fall in this category, hold off eating these foods for a few weeks until you no longer have a flare-up of your usual symptoms. Just follow the rest of the Diet guidelines. Don't give up on these valuable foods, though...try them later. " It also says that if you have a " binge " they suggest you drink a six-ounce glass of water with one tablespoon of apple cider vinegar in it.. It suggests you make salad dressing with it because it is especially healing for the colon and will help reestablish the colonies fo friendly bacteria once the colon has been cleaned.. " Unsalted raw cultured vegetables and raw apple cider vinegar provide these important plant enzymes (that aid digestion). Remember, foods properly used balance our bodies. It's important to eat both raw and cooked foods as a way of improving the body ecology.. Try to eat a salad every day using the 'diet' dressing, and include at least 1/2 cup of unsalted cultured vegetables with your meals each day. The raw apple cider vinegar in the dressing helps 'pre-digest' lettuce, making it easier to assimilate. And both apple cider vinegar and cultured vegetables encourage the growth of friendly bacteria. You'll see marked improvement in your health in two to three months once you begin including these products frequently with your meals. " I hope this imformation is helpful for some of you. I know this is a lot of info but I didn't want to leave anything out. Take care, _ Subscription URL: /subscribe.cgi/candidiasis Send blank message to this e-mail address if you want to: TO UNSUBSCRIBE !!!!!!!!! : candidiasis-unsubscribeonelist To change status from normal to digest: candidiasis-digestonelist To change status from digest to normal: candidiasis-normalonelist To subscribe: candidiasis-subscribeonelist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 1999 Report Share Posted November 25, 1999 In a message dated 11/25/99 1:50:44 PM Pacific Standard Time, jdrsr@... writes: << That is only because you haven't tried it. I am still doing good. Myra >> Doing well. I have had vinegar in the past and i don't react well at all to it. Apparentl;y you haven't been paying attention to anything anyone has been saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 1999 Report Share Posted November 25, 1999 In a message dated 11/25/99 2:44:20 PM Pacific Standard Time, jdrsr@... writes: << I am on this list because I need to be until I get this all sorted out. My husband bought me all of the books on candida and CFS. They all counterdicked them selves and each other. Like don't eat potatoes, or tomatoes, the other one says it is ok to eat them. That is only one item. Myra >> Well if you're not going to take the advice of those who have been there, why bother? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 1999 Report Share Posted November 25, 1999 In a message dated 11/25/99 2:59:22 PM Pacific Standard Time, jdrsr@... writes: << Dear , Thank you for this information. All I know is that this stuff helped me where nothing else could. It is so nice to feel normal again. Yes, I had all of the candida symptoms. Including the CFS. Cheerfully, Myra >> Because it was solving the symptom not the problem, as we said 16 million times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2000 Report Share Posted August 8, 2000 Chestnut, I like that attitude!!!!!!!!! I mean,what ever works,,,,I heard that and I agree 100% Love,Sparkey 48 years old LAVH/BSO 11-16-99 DH-Stanley Estratest and Prometrium and Estrace Uterine fibroids 5 dogs 1 cat 2 guinea pigs 1 bird Sparkeyjb@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2001 Report Share Posted January 16, 2001 Is anyone out there drinking vinegar in water regularly? I have some of the Braggs Apple Cider vinegar and have started on it twice a day but wondered if anyone has been on it for a while? Ed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2004 Report Share Posted July 24, 2004 Hi, I take Apple Cider Vinegar for my arthritis. It is a good source of potassium. I Not to mention all the other illnesses it can help, it is also supposed to be a fantastic aide in weight loss. Sue ======================== Here are some articles on it. Sixty Uses Of Vinegar: http://www.bagelhole.org/article.php/Miscellaneous/14/ http://www.lacetoleather.com/wondrugpag3.html http://www.bragg.com/health_info/ea_acv.html http://mars.ark.com/~squeeze/5vin.html http://frugalliving.about.com/cs/tips/a/blvinmisc.htm http://frugalliving.about.com/cs/tips/a/blvinmed.htm Apple cider vinegar is great as a lemon substitute in many of recipes, and is also a great beauty aid. It can be used as a deodorant, to wash hair, for feminine itch relief, and as a beauty product. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2004 Report Share Posted July 25, 2004 A Heinz spokesperson advises that vinegar kills 99% of bacteria, 82 of fungii, and 80% of viruses. It is great for coughs, colds, arthritis, mastitis, and a host of other illnesses. Great for animals and pets too. We keep organic apple cider vinegar in all of our livestock waterers - they love it. Full of vitamins and minerals as well. There are many good books on the wonderful uses of vinegar - " The Complete Cider Vinegar " , " The Miracle of Apple Cider Vinegar " , " Natural Healing with Cider Vinegar " ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2004 Report Share Posted July 25, 2004 Thanks Sue & for the information and medicinal qualities of vinegar. Sharon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 CHRISTINE TAYLOR wrote: > > > Is it possible to add apple cider to a 1/2 bottle of " Bragg's " Apple > Cider Vinegar and let it remake since it has " the mother " in the jar? > Thanks, Yeah, but you likely don't need a half bottle. An ounce or so. Having a bit of air get in is the main thing. -- Heidi > ---------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 I think the proper way to make vinegar is to make sure that the sugars are first converted to alcohol, then the acteobacter feed on that and convert it to acetic acid (vinegar)..I think this results in a more clean and complete conversion due to lack of competition. Though I think the conversions *can* happen in a tandem process...(yeast fermenting sugar *while* the acetos' gobble the alcohol) Also If when making wine vinegar, I believe that acetobacter cannot survive very well at high alcohol concentrations (10%abv +) and it is usually recomended that you dilute the wine about 50/50 with water to make it more habitable..this results in a more palatable vinegar as well. Though I'm sure you could push it a little for a richer vinegar.. Ideally you would start with the 50/50 water/wine..then after you have a nice big active container of vinegar, you could probably just add a glug or two of straight wine to it to quickly be diluted and converted.. The acetic acid produced is more or less proportionate to the initial alcohol content so a 5%abv. will result in about a 5% acetic acid vinegar solution.. Theres a wonderful story in Sandor Katz bood " Wild Fermentation " about a friend who has a huge barrel of blueberry vinegar that was so rich and good he enjoyed it by the glass! The barrell gets turned on it's side and is half filled with the wine vinegar, holes on each end near the top are plugged with cheesecloth to keep bugs out and allow air in. The new wine gets added through a bung hole on the top side. The vinegar is drained through a tap on the bottom front end for a continuous supply.. Beau On 4/12/06, Heidi <heidis@...> wrote: > CHRISTINE TAYLOR wrote: > > > > > > Is it possible to add apple cider to a 1/2 bottle of " Bragg's " Apple > > Cider Vinegar and let it remake since it has " the mother " in the jar? > > Thanks, > Yeah, but you likely don't need a half bottle. An ounce or so. > Having a bit of air get in is the main thing. > > -- Heidi > > > ---------- > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 CHRISTINE TAYLOR wrote: > So, as the bottle gets rather low I can just add some cider and let it > sit for a couple of days with the top off? This would save some money:O) > You need something *alcoholic* to make vinegar. Hard cider costs more than vinegar! But kefir cider vinegar is rather good, and ferments faster than the wine vinegar (wine vinegar takes a few months to get going, but it might be faster if watered down as suggested -- I like mine strong!). You could also ferment some apple cider with, say, baker's yeast (as my Mom did) and THEN add some live vinegar for a starter. It's best to have a jar dedicated to vinegar, and keep adding some alcoholic stuff after you take out the " finished " vinegar. A " mother " will form on top (like kombucha). You need to be careful not to drown the mother. I do this by floating the mother on wine corks (I put toothpicks through the mother to connect it to the corks). I guess one method is to float wood chips on the wine or cider so the mother forms *around* the chips, then it won't drown. But yeah, it's way cheaper than buying good vinegar. And it is really primo vinegar. -- Heidi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2006 Report Share Posted April 13, 2006 Heidi- I purchased a small bottle (4-6 oz) of vinegar with the 'mother' at a local homebrew shop and poured it into a half gallon of homemade muscadine wine. The 'mother' was not floating in the original small bottle and is not floating in the half-gallon jar. Has my 'mother' drowned? If so, what can I best do to salvage it. This was true of all the small bottles that were on the store shelf. Thanks. Charlie In a message dated 4/12/2006 7:55:09 PM Central Daylight Time, heidis@... writes: > You could also ferment some apple cider with, say, baker's yeast > (as my Mom did) and THEN add some live vinegar for a starter. It's best > to have a jar dedicated to vinegar, and keep adding some > alcoholic stuff after you take out the " finished " vinegar. A " mother " > will form on top (like kombucha). You need to be careful not to > drown the mother. I do this by floating the mother on wine > corks (I put toothpicks through the mother to connect it > to the corks). I guess one method is to float wood chips on > the wine or cider so the mother forms *around* the chips, > then it won't drown. > > But yeah, it's way cheaper than buying good vinegar. > And it is really primo vinegar. > > -- Heidi > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2006 Report Share Posted April 13, 2006 >CHRISTINE TAYLOR wrote: > > >> >> >> Is it possible to add apple cider to a 1/2 bottle of " Bragg's " Apple >>Cider Vinegar and let it remake since it has " the mother " in the jar? >>Thanks, >> >> I've found that pasteurized ACV will develop a mother if left for a while.....almost as if it re-ferments, yk? I use cheap-o ACV in a spray bottle for cleaning bathrooms and such. Many is the time now that I've had to unclog the spray intake because there are shreds of mother getting sucked up into the tube. Go figure..... --s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2006 Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 On 4/12/06, Beau Barrett <Beau.Barrett@...> wrote: > I think the proper way to make vinegar is to make sure that the sugars are > first converted to alcohol, then the acteobacter feed on that and convert it > to acetic acid (vinegar)..I think this results in a more clean and complete > conversion due to lack of competition. <snip> > Theres a wonderful story in Sandor Katz bood " Wild Fermentation " about a > friend who has a huge barrel of blueberry vinegar that was so rich and good > he enjoyed it by the glass! > The barrell gets turned on it's side and is half filled with the wine > vinegar, holes on each end near the top are plugged with cheesecloth to keep > bugs out and allow air in. Apparently you don't need yeast or alcohol to make vinegar. The " juice to wine to vinegar " mode is apparently not the traditional way. Here is a blurb from a company in Washington called Pippin & Mugwort, Ltd: 'Pippin & Mugwort Ltd. has rediscovered an old fashioned way of making vinegar that gives rebirth to a taste and quality lost for centuries...Live culture vinegar simply means the culture that makes the vinegar is still active or " alive " . We introduce this culture into the juice and it consumes the sugars and creates acid. It is important to note that we do not use yeast in our process. Simply stated we convert from juice to vinegar as opposed to converting from juice to wine to vinegar. " It was being sold at my local co-op and the above is from a brochure that I got there. I didn't buy any so I can't vouch for the taste but supposedly their various vinegars are quite good. -- You are a libertarian because " you're willing to tolerate anything that's peaceful, and you practice the principle of live and let live – opposing the initiation of force (violence) against anyone for any purpose. " The late Harry Browne Why You Are A Libertarian http://tinyurl.com/kha3m Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2006 Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 And.....nothing- --nothing---nothing is worth fighting for? PS: Your liver isn't worthy of food for my dog. --Signed: A Proud United States Veteran. In a message dated 4/15/2006 2:28:53 PM Central Daylight Time, slethnobotanist@... writes: > You are a libertarian because " you're willing to tolerate anything > that's peaceful, and you practice the principle of live and let live – > opposing the initiation of force (violence) against anyone for any > purpose. " > > The late Harry Browne > Why You Are A Libertarian > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2006 Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 Maybe you ought to follow the link so you know what you are talking about. Do you understand the concept of defense vs. initiating force against someone? Signed-- A Proud United States Peacenik > > And.....nothing- --nothing---nothing is worth fighting for? > PS: Your liver isn't worthy of food for my dog. > --Signed: A Proud United States Veteran. > In a message dated 4/15/2006 2:28:53 PM Central Daylight Time, > slethnobotanist@... writes: > > > > You are a libertarian because " you're willing to tolerate anything > > that's peaceful, and you practice the principle of live and let live †" > > opposing the initiation of force (violence) against anyone for any > > purpose. " > > > > The late Harry Browne > > Why You Are A Libertarian > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2006 Report Share Posted April 16, 2006 craicker@... wrote: >PS: Your liver isn't worthy of food for my dog. > --Signed: A Proud United States Veteran. Gee, that's quite a stereotype you're supporting there, fella. Maybe you should reserve such harsh personal insults for off-list discussion, so that we don't all think less of you. -- Ross McKay, Toronto, NSW Australia " Whether Haliburton or Enron or anyone, Greed is a Weapon of Mass Destruction " - Faithless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2006 Report Share Posted April 16, 2006 On 4/15/06, craicker@... <craicker@...> wrote: > And.....nothing- --nothing---nothing is worth fighting for? Sure, there are some things worth fighting for (and nothing in my sig line suggests otherwise), just not about my sig line on this list of which I am a new member :-) Although admittedly Mike (the owner of this list) did a similar thing on another list with a different sig line I had, but we had a way of handling those kind of things on that list. I would just as soon pass here. Sorry you misunderstood. > PS: Your liver isn't worthy of food for my dog. > --Signed: A Proud United States Veteran. Well thank you for your service to this country. take care, -- You are a libertarian because " you're willing to tolerate anything that's peaceful, and you practice the principle of live and let live – opposing the initiation of force (violence) against anyone for any purpose. " The late Harry Browne Why You Are A Libertarian http://tinyurl.com/kha3m Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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