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Like microbial nutrition it takes all kinds to make this world go round. To

limit the diversity of our views and opinions and such, like limiting the

microbial populations of this world I suspect would not be in our overall best

interest. While I certainly lean heavily in your directional, or non-directional

view, it is merely my own view, which has no business being directed at anyone

else unasked. Live and let live, even if others do not respect that view. If

necessary, if others try to beat the life out of us for our differing views,

then we can respond as we are so inspired in the moment.

Peace, and may the neo-cons and neo-libs, republicrats and democans eat microbes

till they return to earth from their ideological, self-important and ignorant

high horses.

Oops! did I say that? Well shut my mouth. And all that just about vinegar.

Tonio

There is something I am trying to figure out here...would somebody

help me here...was I bourn with a Passport in my mouth...did I decide

to be born on this specific 2 sq foot of ground, and will i decide

which 6ft of a hole in the ground will i be dumped in ...and why

should i give my life and breath for lies...when I have the whole

universe as my playing ground...

I say...be concious of who you are, Earth conciousnous is like being

limited to being ..anchored on to a small Pea in this vast

universe..there are something like 50 billion galaxies, and in each

galaxy there is something like 50 billion stars ...and round each

star there are at least 10 planets...so...there you are...We got>>>>>>

250 billion billion planets in the universe ( that 2.5 x 10**20

PLANETS....)...wow....and do we really think we are so unique...and

who is your enemy and who is your friend..and should you give up your

last breath away from home on some foreign soil...

>

> > And.....nothing- --nothing---nothing is worth fighting for?

>

> Sure, there are some things worth fighting for (and nothing in my

sig

> line suggests otherwise), just not about my sig line on this list of

> which I am a new member :-)

>

> Although admittedly Mike (the owner of this list) did a

similar

> thing on another list with a different sig line I had, but we had a

> way of handling those kind of things on that list. I would just as

> soon pass here. Sorry you misunderstood.

>

> > PS: Your liver isn't worthy of food for my dog.

> > --Signed: A Proud United States Veteran.

>

> Well thank you for your service to this country.

>

> take care,

>

>

> --

> You are a libertarian because " you're willing to tolerate anything

> that's peaceful, and you practice the principle of live and let

live -

> opposing the initiation of force (violence) against anyone for any

> purpose. "

>

> The late Harry Browne

> Why You Are A Libertarian

> http://tinyurl.com/kha3m

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>And.....nothing- --nothing---nothing is worth fighting for?

>PS: Your liver isn't worthy of food for my dog.

> --Signed: A Proud United States Veteran.

I'm with you buddy- . Libertarianism is OK in a fantasy world where everyone

is as nice and understanding and civilized as you and me and that Harry

Browne fan. That world is a long way off. A libertarian nation would be

incapable of defending itself. The Eloi in " The Time Machine " were

libertarians

Z

In a message dated 4/15/2006 2:28:53 PM Central Daylight Time,

slethnobotanist@... writes:

> You are a libertarian because " you're willing to tolerate anything

> that's peaceful, and you practice the principle of live and let live –

> opposing the initiation of force (violence) against anyone for any

> purpose. "

>

> The late Harry Browne

> Why You Are A Libertarian

>

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On 4/16/06, zz618@... <zz618@...> wrote:

>

> Re: vinegar

>

>

> >And.....nothing- --nothing---nothing is worth fighting for?

> >PS: Your liver isn't worthy of food for my dog.

> > --Signed: A Proud United States Veteran.

>

> I'm with you buddy- .

Really? I don't think personal insults have a place on this list or

any list for that matter.

> Libertarianism is OK in a fantasy world where everyone

> is as nice and understanding and civilized as you and me and that Harry

> Browne fan. That world is a long way off.

Thanks for the compliment, but " that Harry Browne fan " has a name, its

. But one reason I'm a libertarian is precisely _because_

monopolized power corrupts even the nicest or most virtuous of folks,

as Tolkien's Lord of the Rings so ably demonstrates.

> A libertarian nation would be

> incapable of defending itself. The Eloi in " The Time Machine " were

> libertarians

>

> Z

Now you are making the same mistake that the initial respondant did by

revealing you apparently don't seem to know what you are talking

about. The first respondant, who didn't sign his name, assumed that my

sig line was advocating pacifism, which it was not. Being against the

_initiation_ of violence against someone (in all its forms) is not the

same as being against the use of violence _in defense_ against such

aggression.

You are making the same mistake by suggesting that a libertarian state

couldn't defend itself (or wouldn't want to). That is wrong

philosophically and historically:

http://tinyurl.com/euefp

http://tinyurl.com/6kgtv

Have you ever seen the movie Serenity? Or the show it is based on,

Firefly? Or have you ever read the book, V for Vendetta? (I can't in

good conscious recommend the movie. The movie would be more aptly

titled, V for Violated, and I certainly understand why the author of

the book disengaged himself from the movie project early on). Don't

think those folks are fighting for something? Look again.

--

You are a libertarian because " you're willing to tolerate anything

that's peaceful, and you practice the principle of live and let live –

opposing the initiation of force (violence) against anyone for any

purpose. "

The late Harry Browne

Why You Are A Libertarian

http://tinyurl.com/kha3m

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> 'Pippin & Mugwort Ltd. has rediscovered an old fashioned way of making

> vinegar that gives rebirth to a taste and quality lost for

> centuries...Live culture vinegar simply means the culture that makes

> the vinegar is still active or " alive " . We introduce this culture into

> the juice and it consumes the sugars and creates acid. It is important

> to note that we do not use yeast in our process. Simply stated we

> convert from juice to vinegar as opposed to converting from juice to

> wine to vinegar. "

>

> It was being sold at my local co-op and the above is from a brochure

> that I got there. I didn't buy any so I can't vouch for the taste but

> supposedly their various vinegars are quite good.

>

>

>

Kombucha is sort of like that. The mother just turns sugar to

vinegar with seemingly no ethanol intermediate step. I haven't

tried feeding my mother just plain fruit juice. But kefir grains

will turn fruit juice into vinegar pretty quickly (tho there is still

some ethanol in the intermediate product).

-- Heidi

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We want the good bacteria to dominate..we dont mind some of the

badies being there...as long as the goodies dominate.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Seek Wisdom at the door of the Fool...

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The Universe will Re-Cycle you if you dont recycle your Ego..........

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

> >

> > > And.....nothing- --nothing---nothing is worth fighting for?

> >

> > Sure, there are some things worth fighting for (and nothing in

my

> sig

> > line suggests otherwise), just not about my sig line on this

list of

> > which I am a new member :-)

> >

> > Although admittedly Mike (the owner of this list) did a

> similar

> > thing on another list with a different sig line I had, but we

had a

> > way of handling those kind of things on that list. I would just

as

> > soon pass here. Sorry you misunderstood.

> >

> > > PS: Your liver isn't worthy of food for my dog.

> > > --Signed: A Proud United States Veteran.

> >

> > Well thank you for your service to this country.

> >

> > take care,

> >

> >

> > --

> > You are a libertarian because " you're willing to tolerate

anything

> > that's peaceful, and you practice the principle of live and let

> live -

> > opposing the initiation of force (violence) against anyone for

any

> > purpose. "

> >

> > The late Harry Browne

> > Why You Are A Libertarian

> > http://tinyurl.com/kha3m

>

>

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Sorry to talk about you in the third person. I wrote a longer reply, a

critique of libertarianism, and then my computer mysteriously rebooted. So

I'll leave it at this

Z

Re: vinegar

>

>

> >And.....nothing- --nothing---nothing is worth fighting for?

> >PS: Your liver isn't worthy of food for my dog.

> > --Signed: A Proud United States Veteran.

>

> I'm with you buddy- .

Really? I don't think personal insults have a place on this list or

any list for that matter.

> Libertarianism is OK in a fantasy world where everyone

> is as nice and understanding and civilized as you and me and that Harry

> Browne fan. That world is a long way off.

Thanks for the compliment, but " that Harry Browne fan " has a name, its

. But one reason I'm a libertarian is precisely _because_

monopolized power corrupts even the nicest or most virtuous of folks,

as Tolkien's Lord of the Rings so ably demonstrates.

> A libertarian nation would be

> incapable of defending itself. The Eloi in " The Time Machine " were

> libertarians

>

> Z

Now you are making the same mistake that the initial respondant did by

revealing you apparently don't seem to know what you are talking

about. The first respondant, who didn't sign his name, assumed that my

sig line was advocating pacifism, which it was not. Being against the

_initiation_ of violence against someone (in all its forms) is not the

same as being against the use of violence _in defense_ against such

aggression.

You are making the same mistake by suggesting that a libertarian state

couldn't defend itself (or wouldn't want to). That is wrong

philosophically and historically:

http://tinyurl.com/euefp

http://tinyurl.com/6kgtv

Have you ever seen the movie Serenity? Or the show it is based on,

Firefly? Or have you ever read the book, V for Vendetta? (I can't in

good conscious recommend the movie. The movie would be more aptly

titled, V for Violated, and I certainly understand why the author of

the book disengaged himself from the movie project early on). Don't

think those folks are fighting for something? Look again.

--

You are a libertarian because " you're willing to tolerate anything

that's peaceful, and you practice the principle of live and let live –

opposing the initiation of force (violence) against anyone for any

purpose. "

The late Harry Browne

Why You Are A Libertarian

http://tinyurl.com/kha3m

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wrote:

>

> Hi Bee,

>

> Is it ok to have white distill vinegar in the kimchi?

==>No, white distilled vinegar should only be used for cleaning and

laundry. Only use Bragg's or Eden's unpasteurized undistilled apple

cider vinegar.

Bee

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In reference to the Amish drink... If you add all that sugar...

I thought that excess sugar helped yeast to grow.. Does anyone know?

> From: Peggy (MJ) (Liggett) Jaeger <pegnbill@...>

> Subject: [ ] Vinegar

>

> Date: Sunday, October 5, 2008, 12:34 PM

> One of the Autism boards I participate in had someone

> wanting to know

> how to get their child to take vinegar for yeast... forgot

> which one

> so posting on all; Doug Kaufmann of the Know the Cause TV

> show

> suggested mixing a Tablespoon full into a glass of carrot

> juice...

> that measure was for adults... and Be Sure to use Organic

> Cider

> vinegar... it tastes good, so much different than the reg.

> shelf

> brands...IMO.

>

> There's also been an arthritis claim remedy of 1 TBS.

> of apple cider

> vinegar,pref. organic, into a TBS. (or 2) of honey... but

> that might

> also work for a child.

>

> The Amish have a summer drink they make out of organic

> apple cider

> vinegar named Switchel; 2 cups sugar, 1 cup molasses, 1/4

> cup natural

> apple cider vinegar, 1 teaspoon ground ginger, into 1

> gallon of water.

> FIRST -Heat ingredients in 1 Quart of water until

> dissolved, take off

> heat, add the other 3 quarts cold water, chill. (That

> works out to

> only 1 TBS. vinegar to a quart...3/4 teaspoon per 8 oz.-

> and has all

> that sugar too... but you might make up something similar

> by using the

> molasses or honey mix w/o sugar and more vinegar - 1/4 cup

> per quart =

> 1 TBS. per 8 oz.). Also, just a thought, but ginger root,

> grated,

> tastes much better than dried ginger... would have to be

> strained out

> after setting to chill, of course. Ginger root wont hurt

> anyone to

> consume it but might surprise and choke when drinking in a

> glassfull

> of liquid. I've not tried this drink mix but I do like

> the liquid

> like this we put on cucumbers and onions, must taste

> similar.

>

> Apple cider vinegar is good for killing intestinal yeast

> and foot

> fungus..diluted in water foot bath. I used to put it in my

> bath water

> for a night soak to catch the skin folds on the rest of the

> body too.

> (Don't use the bleach water foot bath, it only makes it

> worse by

> eating and irritatiing the skin.) Used the OTC kind for

> these uses,

> though.

>

> Of course, most know about using it diluted as a hair

> conditioning

> rinse and feminine rinse. Probably also used those places

> to stop

> fungus/yeast itching.

>

> I've heard a doctor's advice on TV to put water

> diluted vinegar drops

> (2-3) in the ears.. suppose for earaches.. but she used

> white

> distilled vinegar. I suppose it might also kill fungus

> there too.

>

> I don't have a '1000 uses for vinegar book'..

> but bet there's a lot

> more applications that can be used on fungus/yeasts.

>

> Bragg's is the most common organic apple cider vinegar

> found in my

> area. And, as said, it does taste good. It's

> smoother, not as bitey

> as shelf brands.

>

> grandma peg

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Jill, how did they do the test for bake's yeast allergy, or when you

experience symptoms when you take it, what are they?

You only have to avoid vinegar that contains any sugar. Vinegar is

good for you' it's a food for bowel lining cells that might become in

short supply in the digestive tract when you have dysbiosis and

candida.

Duncan

>

> Hello,

> Ihave a baker's yeast allergy....and new to the yeast thing. What

> relationship does yeast have to vinegar and should I avoid things

with

> vinegar in them?

> Thx

> ~jill

>

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> You only have to avoid vinegar that contains any sugar. Vinegar is

> good for you' it's a food for bowel lining cells that might become in

> short supply in the digestive tract when you have dysbiosis and

> candida.

>

> Duncan

I never knew that, so I have " suffered " to have a salad without a

vinigrette, the ones that I make myself

Edy

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Duncan,

Condensed version: skin testing.

Have had severe autoimmune illnesses for years. Came upon the fact that

I felt better not eating gluten (was able to quickly ween off of

prednisone after not being able to ween off it for many years). Dr did

genetic test (not the celiac panel)...came back positice HLA DQ8

celiac. Still felt funny even when eating GF food. Got hives daily and

had very itchy skin. Went to allergist...came up + for baker's yeast

allergy. Quit eating foods with known baker's yeast. No more hives, no

more itchy skin.

Thanks

~Jill

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Hey All,

It has been a long time since I posted here. Been busy with my elderly mother

who passed away at 92 a couple of weeks ago.

I thought I better warn some of you about what we found out about vinegar.

While I am not disputing it's use as I use it to clean and etc but one with

fungal infections need to use with caution. I had posted once about an

allergist advising not to ingest vinegar products like, pickles, salad dressing

and etc if one has an allergy to vinegar.

Well, my mother had a skin fungal yeast infection on her back. We were rubbing

her with vinegar. Come to find out this was only feeding the yeast on her skin

as there are certain yeast in vinegar. The vinegar made her yeast infection

worse.

Natural remedies are wonderful and so is vinegar but we all need to use on a

case by case and with caution.

Take Care,

Jackie

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Thanks Jackie, interesting, I also spray vinegar on my back in the shower but do

rinse it off right away. Also use it in my hair after shampooing sometimes.

>

> Hey All,

> It has been a long time since I posted here. Been busy with my elderly mother

who passed away at 92 a couple of weeks ago.

>

> I thought I better warn some of you about what we found out about vinegar.

While I am not disputing it's use as I use it to clean and etc but one with

fungal infections need to use with caution. I had posted once about an

allergist advising not to ingest vinegar products like, pickles, salad dressing

and etc if one has an allergy to vinegar.

>

> Well, my mother had a skin fungal yeast infection on her back. We were rubbing

her with vinegar. Come to find out this was only feeding the yeast on her skin

as there are certain yeast in vinegar. The vinegar made her yeast infection

worse.

>

> Natural remedies are wonderful and so is vinegar but we all need to use on a

case by case and with caution.

>

> Take Care,

> Jackie

>

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I have an inflamatory problem with my skin and I can't tolerate anything

irritating. Everything antimicrobial, makes my skin worse. My doctor said if

my skin is broken, not to use anything on it that I wouldn't put in my eye, and

although skin may not look broken, if it has rash, it is. When my skin is

inflamed or broken, now I just use ph balanced soap and pat dry and non

irritating oils, emu oil is good...there are lots of them. If you irritated

skin with vinegar or any antimicrobial, healthy cells are destroyed too,

allowing infection to attack those cells also. Some people can tolerate. I

used to use rubbing alcohol on open sore but not any more.

>

> Hey All,

> It has been a long time since I posted here. Been busy with my elderly mother

who passed away at 92 a couple of weeks ago.

>

> I thought I better warn some of you about what we found out about vinegar.

While I am not disputing it's use as I use it to clean and etc but one with

fungal infections need to use with caution. I had posted once about an

allergist advising not to ingest vinegar products like, pickles, salad dressing

and etc if one has an allergy to vinegar.

>

> Well, my mother had a skin fungal yeast infection on her back. We were rubbing

her with vinegar. Come to find out this was only feeding the yeast on her skin

as there are certain yeast in vinegar. The vinegar made her yeast infection

worse.

>

> Natural remedies are wonderful and so is vinegar but we all need to use on a

case by case and with caution.

>

> Take Care,

> Jackie

>

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I know people who have used vinegar with success on toenail infections, and

other things. You could use it on unbroken skin, scalp, etc. If it hurts when

you put it on skin, then skin is broken. Soaking in a baking soda bath probably

would be good thing.

>

> Would never use vinegar on a fungal infection - baking soda is a known

antifungal, having been used on plants.

> MS

>

>

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I've used vinegar in the past for my toe nails and it worked for me....

> >

> > Would never use vinegar on a fungal infection - baking soda is a known

antifungal, having been used on plants.

> > MS

> >

> >

>

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