Re: How do I stop my baby from biting?

November 26, 2008

I think 's problem was he was biting at a daycare and she was not

there to supervise him.

SUsan

>

> Hi

>

> My son Hunter is 13 months old and he has probably been biting from

about 10 months as well. When he bites me I say " No Biting " in a

firm voice and put him on the floor, agaist a blank wall, away from

his toys for about a minute. Walk away. For the first couple of

months he obviously didn't really know that he was in trouble and

used to love hitting and playing against the wall, however I have

noticed the last 2 times I've done this he is crying before I even

get him to the wall and knows he's in trouble.

>

> When he first starting biting he was doing it at least once a day,

and now he only does it once, maybe twice a week. And he HATES being

in the naughty corner. At the start he didn't know what he was

doing, he just had these new teeth and wanted to use them, but he

understands now alot more. Sometimes now, he might bite my jumper

and he looks up straight away with a cheeky smile because he knows

he's bitten.

>

> If we are out at someone else's place and he does it, I do the same

thing, except maybe instead of putting him against the wall, I place

him on the floor somewhere and walk away.

>

> I would really recommend introducing something similar. Keep it

simple (no biting), don't get into long conversations with him as to

why he shouldn't bite, and remove yourself from the situation.

>

> Let me know how you go. Good luck.

>

> Cheers

> Fiona

> Mum to Hunter mds (1)

>

> ______________________________________________________________

>

> Hi everyone,

> > If you don't already know my son, Vinny is 10 months old. He has

> two

> > very sharp bottom teeth and 1 top tooth and has discovered that

he

> can

> > use them to bite. When we say " no, no " or " no bite " he laughs and

> just

> > does it a minute or two later. When I act like I'm crying he

laughs

> > too. I believe he doesn't know or possibly feel emotions or

> sadness.

> > Well I can't say emotions because he does laugh, but he never

crys,

> > since he was born he must have cried about 3 times and they were

> very

> > short and over food. I don't know if this is a trait of MDS or

just

> > because he's 10 months. When our voices get really stern he

> scrunches

> > his face and lips and puts his arm over his face but then takes

> them

> > away and laughs. Does anyone have any ideas for me or is anyone

> child

> > like this?

> >

>

November 29, 2008

Sorry I have not been around to respond to any of the advice that was

given by many of you, I hurt my back and have been laid up for over a

week now and I just found out I need surgery. I didn't realize this

subject would cause such disagreement. Vinny is not in a daycare but

when he bites us and we tell him " No, No! " he stops, but then a few

minutes later he does it again, and continues it like a pattern for a

good 15 minutes. I'm sorry Becky, I do not believe in biting

children back someone told me that when my oldest child was biting

and I didn't take there advice then either. Its not like I don't

know what to do because I went through this with my first son but

sometimes I think because he has MDS he needs to be repremanded (I

hope I spelled that right) differently. Sometimes I feel like he

doesn't understand, maybe its just me babying him.

> >

> > From: Fiona & Lee Price <flpricedodo (DOT) com.au>

> > Subject: Re: How do I stop my baby from biting?

> > To: MosaicDS@yahoogroup s.com

> > Date: Monday, November 24, 2008, 3:32 AM

> >

> > Hi

> >

> > My son Hunter is 13 months old and he has probably been biting

from

> about 10 months as well. When he bites me I say " No Biting " in a

firm

> voice and put him on the floor, agaist a blank wall, away from his

> toys for about a minute. Walk away. For the first couple of months

he

> obviously didn't really know that he was in trouble and used to

love

> hitting and playing against the wall, however I have noticed the

last

> 2 times I've done this he is crying before I even get him to the

wall

> and knows he's in trouble.

> >

> > When he first starting biting he was doing it at least once a

day,

> and now he only does it once, maybe twice a week. And he HATES

being

> in the naughty corner. At the start he didn't know what he was

doing,

> he just had these new teeth and wanted to use them, but he

> understands now alot more. Sometimes now, he might bite my jumper

and

> he looks up straight away with a cheeky smile because he knows he's

> bitten.

> >

> > If we are out at someone else's place and he does it, I do the

same

> thing, except maybe instead of putting him against the wall, I

place

> him on the floor somewhere and walk away.

> >

> > I would really recommend introducing something similar. Keep it

> simple (no biting), don't get into long conversations with him as

to

> why he shouldn't bite, and remove yourself from the situation.

> >

> > Let me know how you go. Good luck.

> >

> > Cheers

> > Fiona

> > Mum to Hunter mds (1)

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _

> >

> > Hi everyone,

> > > If you don't already know my son, Vinny is 10 months old. He

has

> > two

> > > very sharp bottom teeth and 1 top tooth and has discovered that

> he

> > can

> > > use them to bite. When we say " no, no " or " no bite " he laughs

and

> > just

> > > does it a minute or two later. When I act like I'm crying he

> laughs

> > > too. I believe he doesn't know or possibly feel emotions or

> > sadness.

> > > Well I can't say emotions because he does laugh, but he never

> crys,

> > > since he was born he must have cried about 3 times and they

were

> > very

> > > short and over food. I don't know if this is a trait of MDS or

> just

> > > because he's 10 months. When our voices get really stern he

> > scrunches

> > > his face and lips and puts his arm over his face but then takes

> > them

> > > away and laughs. Does anyone have any ideas for me or is anyone

> > child

> > > like this?

> > >

> >

November 29, 2008

No one said you abused your children. Biting a child is abusive and

should be avoided. Apparently this is your technique of handling

biting because you jumped down my throat?

But the point is that we need to encourage positive and correct

neural pathways for our chilren, especially those with MDS as the

pathways are already altered.

Reinforcing negative or unwanted behavior by " biting back " is

teaching an incorrect lesson to the child. Promoting positive

behavior modification techniques will lead to positive behavior as an

adult.

It is kinda like hitting...if you don't want your child to do it then

you don't do it. CHILDREN LEARN WHAT THEY LIVE.

And PLEASE do not scream at me anymore.

---

In MosaicDS , Becky Rowe wrote:

>

> All I am going to say on this subject is this: We agree to

disagree....AND I DO NOT ABUSE MY CHILDREN!

>

> Blessings Abound,

> (Becky) Rowe

> Mom to Trey (8 ADHD) & Austin (6 MDS)

>

> ________________________________

>

> Family Assistance Coordinator

> www.imdsa.org or becky@...

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: MosaicDS

> Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 1:13:34 PM

> Subject: Re: How do I stop my baby from biting?

>

> As a health care professional, " I " really do NOT recommend biting

the

> child back. That actually happened to my eldest daughter over 20

> years ago by a daycare worker (one reason I do not like daycares).

> Two Reasons NOT to bite a child back:

> 1. It reinforces the negative behavior (If it isn't ok for the

child

> to bite, then it should not be ok for you to bite either.

> Additionally, the child will repeat the behavior to see if your

> response is consistent; if you do bite the child again, then the

> child will keep doing it and if you don't, the child learns that he

> does not get the same response when he does an action. Cause and

> Effect are a developmental milestone that must be learned and you

do

> not want your child to learn a negative behavior or an incorrect

way

> of thinking about something.)

> 2. If you accept this as a form of correction, and you also allow

> others to do it,then you are actually allowing abuse to your child.

I

> am not going to get onto that subject too much, but it is abusive

and

> at the same time, you do not know what germs, viruses or DISEASES

> that someone may transmit to your child by doing this. If someone

> with AIDS or herpes bites your child, your child can get the

disease.

> Even a cold sore in or on the mouth is the herpes virus and can be

> easily transmitted through a bite. (especially if the skin gets

> broken)

> The best scenario is to consistently remove the child from the

> situation and reinforce that teeth are for biting food only and we

> use them to eat food. Reinforcing the proper use for something,

> whether it be teeth or a hairbrush or whatever, is the apropriate

> thing to do.

> Please do not bite your child or allow others to do so.

>

> >

> > From: Fiona & Lee Price <flpricedodo (DOT) com.au>

> > Subject: Re: How do I stop my baby from biting?

> > To: MosaicDS@yahoogroup s.com

> > Date: Monday, November 24, 2008, 3:32 AM

> >

> > Hi

> >

> > My son Hunter is 13 months old and he has probably been biting

from

> about 10 months as well. When he bites me I say " No Biting " in a

firm

> voice and put him on the floor, agaist a blank wall, away from his

> toys for about a minute. Walk away. For the first couple of months

he

> obviously didn't really know that he was in trouble and used to

love

> hitting and playing against the wall, however I have noticed the

last

> 2 times I've done this he is crying before I even get him to the

wall

> and knows he's in trouble.

> >

> > When he first starting biting he was doing it at least once a

day,

> and now he only does it once, maybe twice a week. And he HATES

being

> in the naughty corner. At the start he didn't know what he was

doing,

> he just had these new teeth and wanted to use them, but he

> understands now alot more. Sometimes now, he might bite my jumper

and

> he looks up straight away with a cheeky smile because he knows he's

> bitten.

> >

> > If we are out at someone else's place and he does it, I do the

same

> thing, except maybe instead of putting him against the wall, I

place

> him on the floor somewhere and walk away.

> >

> > I would really recommend introducing something similar. Keep it

> simple (no biting), don't get into long conversations with him as

to

> why he shouldn't bite, and remove yourself from the situation.

> >

> > Let me know how you go. Good luck.

> >

> > Cheers

> > Fiona

> > Mum to Hunter mds (1)

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _

> >

> > Hi everyone,

> > > If you don't already know my son, Vinny is 10 months old. He

has

> > two

> > > very sharp bottom teeth and 1 top tooth and has discovered that

> he

> > can

> > > use them to bite. When we say " no, no " or " no bite " he laughs

and

> > just

> > > does it a minute or two later. When I act like I'm crying he

> laughs

> > > too. I believe he doesn't know or possibly feel emotions or

> > sadness.

> > > Well I can't say emotions because he does laugh, but he never

> crys,

> > > since he was born he must have cried about 3 times and they

were

> > very

> > > short and over food. I don't know if this is a trait of MDS or

> just

> > > because he's 10 months. When our voices get really stern he

> > scrunches

> > > his face and lips and puts his arm over his face but then takes

> > them

> > > away and laughs. Does anyone have any ideas for me or is anyone

> > child

> > > like this?

> > >

> >

November 29, 2008

,

Sorry to hear about your back, Ouch.

He keeps repeating the behavior fo 15 minutes to see if he is going

to get the same cause and effect response. Actually, that i good news

because he is doing a " normal " thing by " checking " the cause/effect

relationship. He is actually learning and soon he will move on to

something else. It is only time and he will quit.

Children with communication issues, on the other hand, like my child

at age 5, will bite because they cannot talk usually.For older

children, it may be frustration or wanting to defy authority.

One of the major topics I have been studying for a long time

is " neural pathways " . It typically takes 3 weeks to change a behavior

or habit. Neural Pathways chang or remain the same based

on " environmental cues " . Repetitive negative environmental cues tend

to not change the neural pathway. Remove the environmental cues and

the pathway changes. As with any habit/pathway, the negative behavior

can return in the improper environment. (An " unrelated " example here

is a drug addict. As long as the addict remains in the environment,

he/she will continue to do drugs. The " addction " is the environmental

cuing of being around the substance. Once removed from the negative

environment and frends, then the behavior changes.)

Repetition is the key with children, as they are very moldable.

Good Luck and let us know how it turns out.

> > >

> > > From: Fiona & Lee Price <flpricedodo (DOT) com.au>

> > > Subject: Re: How do I stop my baby from biting?

> > > To: MosaicDS@yahoogroup s.com

> > > Date: Monday, November 24, 2008, 3:32 AM

> > >

> > > Hi

> > >

> > > My son Hunter is 13 months old and he has probably been biting

> from

> > about 10 months as well. When he bites me I say " No Biting " in a

> firm

> > voice and put him on the floor, agaist a blank wall, away from

his

> > toys for about a minute. Walk away. For the first couple of

months

> he

> > obviously didn't really know that he was in trouble and used to

> love

> > hitting and playing against the wall, however I have noticed the

> last

> > 2 times I've done this he is crying before I even get him to the

> wall

> > and knows he's in trouble.

> > >

> > > When he first starting biting he was doing it at least once a

> day,

> > and now he only does it once, maybe twice a week. And he HATES

> being

> > in the naughty corner. At the start he didn't know what he was

> doing,

> > he just had these new teeth and wanted to use them, but he

> > understands now alot more. Sometimes now, he might bite my jumper

> and

> > he looks up straight away with a cheeky smile because he knows

he's

> > bitten.

> > >

> > > If we are out at someone else's place and he does it, I do the

> same

> > thing, except maybe instead of putting him against the wall, I

> place

> > him on the floor somewhere and walk away.

> > >

> > > I would really recommend introducing something similar. Keep it

> > simple (no biting), don't get into long conversations with him as

> to

> > why he shouldn't bite, and remove yourself from the situation.

> > >

> > > Let me know how you go. Good luck.

> > >

> > > Cheers

> > > Fiona

> > > Mum to Hunter mds (1)

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _

> > >

> > > Hi everyone,

> > > > If you don't already know my son, Vinny is 10 months old. He

> has

> > > two

> > > > very sharp bottom teeth and 1 top tooth and has discovered

that

> > he

> > > can

> > > > use them to bite. When we say " no, no " or " no bite " he laughs

> and

> > > just

> > > > does it a minute or two later. When I act like I'm crying he

> > laughs

> > > > too. I believe he doesn't know or possibly feel emotions or

> > > sadness.

> > > > Well I can't say emotions because he does laugh, but he never

> > crys,

> > > > since he was born he must have cried about 3 times and they

> were

> > > very

> > > > short and over food. I don't know if this is a trait of MDS

or

> > just

> > > > because he's 10 months. When our voices get really stern he

> > > scrunches

> > > > his face and lips and puts his arm over his face but then

takes

> > > them

> > > > away and laughs. Does anyone have any ideas for me or is

anyone

> > > child

> > > > like this?

> > > >

> > >

November 29, 2008

Here's some food for thought:

1. My parents spanked me as a child when necessary. (The last time I was spanked

I was 14.)

2. My own Mother made me stomp for a good hour (but seemed like forever at the

time) on a non-carpeted hallway when I threw " attitude " her way and stomped away

from her. ( I was 9 or 10 when that happened, shortly after my brother died).

3. I had my mouth washed out with soap (at least once that I can remember, I

believe I was 5.)

4. When I wore out a pair of roller skates, I had to earn the money for a new

pair (which I did and they lasted longer, I was 10)

5. When I got busted for making up phone numbers so that I could make long

distance calls to my best friend and one of those numbers happened to be the

family next door to my Nana, I had to pay for those calls ($115 worth back in

1984) out of my baby-sitting money. I was 14.

6. And yes, My Mother bit me when I bit my brother and I learned not to do it

again. (Somewhere around 5-7 years old.)

With all that said, let me say what I am NOT as an adult:

1. A criminal...I've never been arrested for anything.

2. A drug/alcohol addict (and my Father is a recovering Alcoholic for 23 years)

3. An abusive parent.

4. What I didn't do as a teenager was take a gun to school and shoot everyone

within firing distance just because they teased me. I also didn't committ or

attempt suicide for the same reason. And my nick-name in school from the 5th

grade until the 9th grade: Doggie Biscuit.

What I AM as an adult:

1. Responsible

2. A competent member of Society

3. A good parent.

I do believe in postive reinforcement, I also believe for every action there is

a reaction. And that when a person does wrong, they have to answer for their

actions and take responsiblity for those actions. That's what I teach my

children. How I teach them is my business, how you teach yours is yours.

So please, in the future , don't give me parental advice on how to

discipline my children. You would be the one who would call CPS if you saw me

spanking my children (like the one lady did when Trey had to have stitches in

his ear when he was 2, and climbing all over the chairs in the ER, and after

telling him over 10 times to stop, I swatted him on his behind.)

When my children grow up, don't have criminal records, don't take a gun to

school and kill/injure anyone, are responsible, productive members of society

and take responsiblity for their actions because of the way I raised them, a

simple thank you will suffice.

Blessings Abound,

(Becky) Rowe

Mom to Trey (8 ADHD) & Austin (6 MDS)

________________________________

Family Assistance Coordinator