Re: RON GOTS ~ IAQ Radio ~ TODAY! ~ Noon EST ~ Directions Of...

December 5, 2008

We know that Gots is a prolific expert defense witness in mold litigation.

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And... a portion of one of Gots' deposition testimonies regarding

his training and background in this area:

Q. And have you ever had any formal training in

23 the evaluation and treatment of occupational diseases?

24 A. Not in a residency training program, not

that

25 kind of formal training, no.

1 Q. Have you ever had any formal training in the

2 evaluation and treatment of environmental disease?

3 A. Not formal training, no.

4 Q. Have you ever had any formal training in the

5 evaluation and treatment of toxicological exposures?

6 A. Well, yes. I mean, certainly I've had that,

7 and let me back up a second. I mean, I've certainly

had

8 some formal training in the prior two in medical

school

9 but no formal training residency programs thereafter -

-

10 Q. Okay.

11 A. -- in toxicology, also in medical school but

12 also in my Ph.D. program in pharmacology.

13 Q. How about in regard to a residency

experience

14 for formal training in the evaluation and treatment of

15 toxicological exposure?

16 A. Not in a residency program, in my Ph.D.

17 program.

18 Q. How about in regard to residency, formal

19 training in the evaluation and treatment of biological

20 exposure?

21 A. Residency training in that?

22 Q. Yes.

23 A. No.

24 Q. Okay. Doctor, have you ever completed a

25 residency or fellowship in occupational and

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1 environmental medicine?

2 A. No.

3 Q. Have you ever completed a residency or

4 fellowship in internal medicine?

5 A. No.

6 Q. Have you ever completed a residency or

7 fellowship in allergy?

8 A. No.

9 Q. Have you ever completed a residency or

10 fellowship in immunology?

11 A. No.

12 Q. Have you ever completed a residency or

13 fellowship in pulmonary medicine?

14 A. No.

15 Q. Same question in regard to medical

toxicology?

16 A. In -- a residency in medical toxicology, no.

17 Q. Have you ever been affiliated with or

employed

18 in a medical practice or clinic that treats --

19 clinically treats injured workers?

20 A. Yes.

21 Q. How long ago?

22 A. Oh, 25, 30 -- 25 to 30 years ago.

23 Q. Have you ever been employed or affiliated

with

24 a medical practice or clinic that treats individuals

25 with occupational and environmental diseases?

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1 A. Yes.

2 Q. How long ago?

3 A. Again, 25 or 30 years.

4 Q. Do you have a master's or doctorate degree

in

5 public health?

6 A. No.

7 Q. Do you have any coursework completion at an

8 accredited institution in epidemiology?

9 A. I don't know whether I actually had a

10 course -- a formal course in epidemiology in my Ph.D.

11 program, but I don't believe so.

12 Q. Have you ever had any coursework from an

13 accredited institution in any area of environmental

risk

14 assessment?

15 A. In courses given at various conferences

where

16 we have two- or three-day courses I have, yes.

17 Q. Okay. And how about in industrial hygiene?

18 A. No formal courses in industrial hygiene.

19 Q. In regard to your Ph.D. in pharmacology,

what

20 percentage of your coursework, Doctor, focused on

21 occupational disease?

22 A. I would say that probably none of it

directly

23 focused on occupational disease.

24 Q. In regard to your Ph.D. in pharmacology,

what

25 part of it focused on environmental disease?

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1 A. Probably none directly.

2 Q. In regard to your Ph.D. in pharmacology,

what

3 portion of it focused on toxicological exposure

outside

4 of ingested medication or ingested poison?

5 A. I can't answer that, how much may have dealt

6 with other toxicological agents besides those that

were

7 ingested. I'm just not sure.

8 Q. In regard to your Ph.D. in pharmacology,

9 Doctor, what percentage of your coursework involved

10 biological exposure?

11 A. Probably none.

12 Q. In regard to your Ph.D. in pharmacology,

13 Doctor, what portion of your coursework involved

14 industrial hygiene?

15 A. None.

16 Q. In regard to your Ph.D. in pharmacology,

17 Doctor, what portion of your coursework dealt with

18 interpretation of environmental laboratory testing?

19 A. None.

20 Q. Would it be fair to say, Doctor, that your

21 coursework in Ph.D. pharmacology did not involve any

22 training on how to conduct a site visit of a workplace

23 or residence for chemical or biological contamination?

24 A. That's correct.

In a message dated 12/5/2008 5:00:21 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,

kmtown2003@... writes:

So what do we know??

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_snk1955@..._ (mailto:snk1955@...) wrote:

Episode 105

December 5, 2008

12:00 EST

E. Gots, M.D., Ph.D

Sharon Noonan Kramer

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December 5, 2008

Below is a link to the Dateline investigation called " the Paper Chase " . It

won awards. Dr. Gots was VERY MUCH a subject of this investigation that was

about people's lives just being miserable from wrongful claims denials by

State Farm Insurance.

_http://www.attorneykennugent.com/new/statefarm.html_

(http://www.attorneykennugent.com/new/statefarm.html)

Also, you can find Dr. Gots name (I think it is about 100 times) in the UCSF

Tobacco Legacy Library...along with his buddies Kelman and Lees-Haley. They

have been making much money while denying causation of illness before the

courts for a very long time.

Sharon Noonan Kramer

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December 5, 2008

In a message dated 12/5/2008 7:09:29 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,

quackadillian@... writes:

No sane defense lawyer

would EVER want their client to be associated with the tobacco industry

apologists..

But these days, nobody seems to care.

It's not about them being right on the science. It's about wearing you down

by using these types of people until you either settle, it gets too costly

for the plaintiff attorney, or the plaintiff and/or attorney make a mistake

that they can beat them over the head with. Science has absolutely nothing to

do with the medical defense expert witness business over the mold issue.

I heard a horrid tale about Lees-Haley. I am told there was a young

man who almost got his head cut off in an accident. He had continual cognitive

problems. Was told that Lees-Haley testified that this was not caused by the

young man almost getting his head cut off.

You can find Lees-Haley doing recruitment of epidemiologist for Big Tobacco

in the UCSF Library. Covington and Burling were the lawyers for one of the Big

Tobacco front groups.

_http://legacy.library.ucsf.edu/tid/ico30c00/pdf?search=%22lees%20haley%_

(http://legacy.library.ucsf.edu/tid/ico30c00/pdf?search= " lees%20haley)

Not about the science...about the money and reducing the pay out. What is

most amazing to me is that they walk upright on two feet.

Sharon

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December 5, 2008

I've seen his company's web site and it is a mother lode of articles that

purport to represent scientific thought on IAQ and health, but the reaction

I had from reading them was " This organiation specializes in very skillful

lying about very important health issues. "

I feel very strongly that people who *knowingly* hurt others with

misrepresentations about public health issues of this importance should pay

a price that is proportionate to the sum of the losses experienced by those

living the tens or hundreds of thousands of lives they have knowingly

enabled the destroying of for money.

On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 8:08 PM, <snk1955@...> wrote:

>

> We know that Gots is a prolific expert defense witness in mold litigation.

>

> You can listen to the radio broadcast if you are into self-induced

> vomiting.

>

> http://www.talkshoe.com/talkshoe/web/talkCastCustomAds.jsp?

> masterId=1547 & cmd=tc

>

December 5, 2008

I often wonder..how can they do it?

I used to associate the word scientist with a love of knowledge, not just

greed.

No sane defense lawyer

would EVER want their client to be associated with the tobacco industry

apologists..

But these days, nobody seems to care.

Didn't they recently get Federal contracts to do something?

On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 9:22 PM, <snk1955@...> wrote:

> Below is a link to the Dateline investigation called " the Paper Chase " .

> It

> won awards. Dr. Gots was VERY MUCH a subject of this investigation that was

>

> about people's lives just being miserable from wrongful claims denials by

> State Farm Insurance.

>

http://www.attorneykennugent.com/new/statefarm.html<http://www.attorneykennugent\

..com/new/statefarm.html_>

>

> Also, you can find Dr. Gots name (I think it is about 100 times) in the

> UCSF

> Tobacco Legacy Library...along with his buddies Kelman and Lees-Haley. They

>

> have been making much money while denying causation of illness before the

> courts for a very long time.

>

> Sharon Noonan Kramer

>

December 6, 2008

Dr. Harbison is another bad one. He defended big tobacco for years and

then he started defending insurance companies against mold claims. His latest

adventure is to testify that police officers don't get sick from cleaning up

meth labs. Anything for money!

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From: " snk1955@... " <snk1955@...>

Sent: Friday, December 5, 2008 7:40:48 PM

Subject: Re: [] RON GOTS ~ IAQ Radio ~ TODAY! ~ Noon EST ~

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In a message dated 12/5/2008 7:09:29 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,

quackadillian@ gmail.com writes: