Re: need advice - walking away from our home and belongings

[Guest guest]

Jill,

I am so sorry to hear that you are having to deal with this. There are no

concrete answers to be able to give you. If it were me, based on my past

experience, I would not get rid of everything at this point in time. I would

put

it in storage. Some people are able to be around their stuff again after a

few years.

As far as what to do with your property, I think you should first try to

find a real estate agent in your area who has experience with stigma

properties.

The way to do that would be to find an appraiser who specializes in this in

your area. They can typically refer you to some good, knowledgeable agents.

In a message dated 1/22/2009 10:09:17 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,

Jsverdlove@... writes:

We are giving up on our home, belongings, cars because of mycotoxin

cross contamination. Now we are wondering:

[Guest guest]

We had to give our stuff away..telling people the history of why we were..

Don't count on ever getting any compensation.. Ive never heard of anybody

being successful beyond a tiny percentage of its worth, after years of grief.

On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 1:06 PM, <Jsverdlove@...> wrote:

> We are giving up on our home, belongings, cars because of mycotoxin

> cross contamination. Now we are wondering:

>

> - do we hire an auction company to sell everything (they take 35-50%

> commission)

> or

> - do we put everything in storage and go back to it some day, risking

> the possibility of cross contamination later

>

In urban areas this is often VERY expensive..

But this might be doable

IF YOU DONT GET EXPOSED DOING IT.

JUST SHOVE EVERYTHING

IN SEALED BAGS WEARING MASKS AND GLOVES.

*DONT TRY TO CLEAN OR ORGANIZE IT*

Its a complex issue, read old posts to get the various angles.

> i'm out of the house now and wondering if it is also worth the risk to

> go back and test some items then clean/clear all over again?

The problem is that the tests that exist that could detect toxic

contamination are very expensive

and not sensitive enough to register unless large amounts of

contaminated material are analyzed.

This makes this an impossible situation. The contaminants are coating

the belongings as a film,

they are not recognizable spores. If somebody does a spore test, it

will come back " clean " in

almost all cases even when the belongings are very heavily

contaminated or clearly reek to high heaven of mold.

People's immune systems are FAR more sensitive than the kinds of tests

that most homeowners can afford.

It blows me away that people and courts don't understand these issues

yet when this knowledge goes back to the Old Testament. It shows how

powerless ordinary people are these days.

Good luck.

[Guest guest]

I'm sorry to hear that you are going through this too. There are so many of us

who have lost everything because of the ongoing deceit and lies by the insurance

industry about the dangers of toxic mold. The insurance companies know the

truth and they also know how to deal with the contamination. In some cases,

everything has to be disposed of as hazardous materials. Deciding what to do

about your belongings is different for every family. It depends on how sick you

are and how long you have been exposed and how much water damage and mold is in

your house. For many, it seems best to just get rid of everything (except

important personal papers or family heirlooms and photos). You can take

personal papers to a copy center and make copies and then carefully dispose of

the originals. For the family heirlooms and photos, you can try to have them

" cleaned " by a mold remediation company. It's a risk that you have to evaluate

based on what's the safest

thing to do for your family. By the way, your husband really shouldn't be in

your contaminated house unless he wears appropriate PPE--personal protective

equipment (basically a hazmat suit with a special respirator).

________________________________

From: " Jsverdlove@... " <Jsverdlove@...>

We are giving up on our home, belongings, cars because of mycotoxin

cross contamination. Now we are wondering:

- do we hire an auction company to sell everything (they take 35-50%

commission)

[Guest guest]

OMG Jill. Take good care of yourself and the baby. Hubby will take

care of himself I'm sure.

In my situation the mold had gotten on all our furniture in all our

rooms. But of course some were worse than others. We kept some

furniture for years, which we never should have done. And we slowing

got rid of them. It wasn't til recently when we got rid of the last

bit of furniture that I realized how much better I felt with them all

gone. Of course, in my situation I remained living in my home.

Even furniture is not important enough to save if you can't stand

being near it and you feel sick from it. Sell it the best way you

know how: auction or garage sale or put free ads in newspapers. People

will buy anything that looks good.

The health of your family is really all that's important. llaci

[Guest guest]

I've never written to this list before but I've been reading for a

few months.

I hope I don't upset anyone but I wanted to give you my experience

regarding the issues you are dealing with. I have lyme disease with

co-infections, methylation cycle issues and have tested positive for

the HLA DR biotoxin problems via the Shoemaker protocol so as you all

no doubt know, this means I have difficulty getting rid of mycotoxins

and borrelia toxins.

Years ago I was diagnosed with MCS and I also had fibromyalgia. I

decided to go on the guaifenesin protocol for fibromyalgia. At that

time I didn't know I had lyme induced fibromyalgia. To make a long

story short, one of the best things that happened with the

guaifenesin protocol is that my MCS completly went away. I've been

on the protocol since Feb of 2000. This is the website that I use.

http://www.psha-inc.com/guai-support/

I'm not saying it would go away for you because I don't know. Just a

warning - the protocol is difficult but for me it is worth it. I

can't go off the protocol or symptoms come back. Some think the

protocol causes detoxification but that is not the theory that the

originator has promulgated for the protocol. My MCS seems to be

caused by toxins or at least that is what I'm guessing. While in

lyme treatment, if I get particularly toxic, my MCS kicks up a

little. Not too bad though and I can usually control it by adding

more Pekana drainage remedies for detoxification.

As far as mycotoxins, I can't guarantee this will work for you but

I'll tell you what I've done. My muscle testing herbalist, who I've

been seeing for the past 20 years gave me this formula and it did

seem to help me quite a bit. I feel it has worked for me mainly

because I feel better and my house tests relatively clear via muscle

testing. It will not get rid of all of the mycotoxins but a fairly

high percentage, probably over 70%. No guarantee though of course.

First kill the mold:

We killed the mold by using Young living thieves oil in diffuser many

times in the rooms that were affected.

Then we had another strain that needed killing - we used

Grapefruit seed extract

Grapefruit essential oil

Quinine

Vinegar

sprayed in vents and in rooms

Diffused in rooms affected with essential oil diffuser

Washed walls with it

used various mixes via muscle testing

After killing all the mold - get rid of mycotoxins

Do in order, #1-#4:

Use a diffuser:

#1

Diffuse for 2 days - equal parts of essential oils

Lavender

Neroli (Orange blossom)

Chamomile

#2

Diffuse for 7 days - equal parts of essential oils

Patchouli

Tsuga (Young living oils)

#3

Diffuse for 2 days - equal parts

Jasmine

Eucalyptus

Francesense

#4

Diffuse for 4 days - equal parts

Wild carrot seed

Sandalwood

To get rid of mycotoxins in the body, I've been on actos (a gene

therapy of sorts according to Dr. Shoemaker's book, Mold Warriors),

it also down regulates cytokines when you use cholestyramine to bind

toxins and remove them from your body. I use 3 envelopes per day.

Any less than that is not effective.

Also, per muscle testing from my herbalist, To get rid of mycotoxins

in the body

3 drops 2X per day of liquid grapefruit seed extract (I eventually

had to move this up to 5 drops 2X per day)

SanPharma Notatum (suppositories)

2 per day for 10 days. 1 per day after that. I've been taking them

for over 2 months.

Again, I cannot say one way or the other if these things will help

you I just know they have helped me.

My heart goes out to you, it must be awful leaving your home behind.

Terry

>

> We are giving up on our home, belongings, cars because of mycotoxin

> cross contamination.

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Sorry to hear that you too will have to part with everything you own. But trust

me as one who made the mistake of taking my belongings with me, its not worth

it. You cant put a price on your health. Just let it go, dont store it. Take

only the clothes on your back and wash them immediately or throw them away

before entering your new home.  If you have only been in the toxic mold

environment for three months consider yourself lucky and get as far away from it

as you can including your possessions. Its just not worth the risk. Again sorry

to hear about your losses. God Bless you!

Eli

p.s. there are some ways to salvage some few items but its very very expensive

and requires COMPETENT professionals.

From: Jsverdlove@... <Jsverdlove@...>

Subject: [] need advice - walking away from our home and belongings

Cc: miwaskow@...

Date: Thursday, January 22, 2009, 10:06 AM

We are giving up on our home, belongings, cars because of mycotoxin

cross contamination. Now we are wondering:

- do we hire an auction company to sell everything (they take 35-50%

commission)

or

- do we put everything in storage and go back to it some day, risking

the possibility of cross contamination later

i'm out of the house now and wondering if it is also worth the risk to

go back and test some items then clean/clear all over again? We have

so many expensive MCS items that it is tragic and financially

devastating to have to try to replace. We don't have a new safe space

yet (I'm with my baby at a friend's place for tonight - changing places

almost daily because of my MCS reactions to most homes).

This is a nightmare on all levels and has gone on for almost three

months and we just needed to make a decision at this point. If anyone

has gone through this and had advice re our stuff - we'd like to recoup

at least some of our loss but just aren't sure how. My husband

unfortunately is still at the house trying to figure out what to do

next.

thank you

jill

[Guest guest]

I should also say that our mold problem was relatively mild. No

visible mold in one bathroom. Some visible mold on the wall and

shower in another bathroom. No other mold that we know of.

I have no idea how effective the regime that I outlined would be for

a more dire situation but I would probably flee rather than take a

chance if I knew I had a big infestation of black mold.

I'm so sorry this has happened to you.

Terry

> >

> > We are giving up on our home, belongings, cars because of

mycotoxin

> > cross contamination.

>

[Guest guest]

--

If you are dealing with mycotoxins, here is what you do. You go out

the door and you never so much as look back. And then you thank God

that you and your family are alive. Material things don't matter and

I know that is how to understand now. We work hard our whole life to

get things and then we have to leave them all behind in a day. Then,

fight as hard as you can fight to keep your health, that is what

really matters and that is all that matters. There is always time to

get a new home, new car, new belongings but unless you have your

health none of that really has much meaning...I've left my beautiful

home and everything I have ever owned and I am still fighting the

fight to get well..don't take any chances trying to save your things,

its just not worth it. God Bless- Diane

- In , " terryannkerr " <cheer@...> wrote:

>

> I should also say that our mold problem was relatively mild. No

> visible mold in one bathroom. Some visible mold on the wall and

> shower in another bathroom. No other mold that we know of.

>

> I have no idea how effective the regime that I outlined would be

for

> a more dire situation but I would probably flee rather than take a

> chance if I knew I had a big infestation of black mold.

>

> I'm so sorry this has happened to you.

>

> Terry

>

>

>

> > >

> > > We are giving up on our home, belongings, cars because of

> mycotoxin

> > > cross contamination.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I hope this gets posted because I never see my posts.

I stayed in my home and had it remediated. Only to come back and have

the w-w carpeting chemical smell make me ill. I think that's how I

got MCS. I opened all the windows for almost a year and it was the

only way I could stay there.

We still had half of our moldy boxes in the attic after remediation.

Not a smart thing to do. A year or so later, I started hauling them

out the door. Had another mini house exposure. That mold made me

violently ill. Got new carpeting again.

Took a few years to finally get rid of all the moldy furniture.

It's not worth it. Get rid of it all now (sell it). Maybe you can

have the house remediated and new carpeting installed and move back

in. Don't go back after remediation unless the carpeting has been

replaced.

All the big furniture is gone now and we bought plastic drawers

instead. Even had to get rid of all the curtains. We are in debt over

this, mind you, but we do have good health.

" God grand me the power to accept the things I cannot change, Courage

to change the things I can, And wisdom to know the difference " llaci

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> I hope this gets posted because I never see my posts.

>

[Guest guest]

Jill, I'm so sorry you are going through this. We have a whole group

devoted to these issues over at http://cfsunited.proboards104.com.

The best advice I can offer you is not to take a single thing with

you. That's not to say you must toss everything, but don't bring it

with you. Whatever you will keep should go into storage. The toxins

will denature over time, but bewarned, it can be 5 years or so for

some things.

Regardless of what you decide to do with your house,

cleaning/remediating it yourself is not a good idea. Your best chance

for getting clear is getting out, take nothing with you, and don't go

back.

I'm so sorry this is happening to you!

Khaly

>

> We are giving up on our home, belongings, cars because of mycotoxin

> cross contamination. Now we are wondering:

[Guest guest]

Barb,

Thank you for your great responce. IIlaci none of your post have

been denied as far as I am aware of. You can click on messages on

the left side of the home page and do a search on your posts. I see

them all the time.

Hope this helps

KC

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> > I hope this gets posted because I never see my posts.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I threw all my stuff away. I was not going to be responsible for possibly

making someone

else sick. I oould never do this to another person. Whoever gets your

belongings will get

your mold too.

To the poster who said to run garage sales, etc, " People will take anything that

looks

good " , SHAME ON YOU! How would YOU like to purchase something at a garage sale,

only

to learn months down the road it has contaminated your home and made your family

sick?

>

> We are giving up on our home, belongings, cars because of mycotoxin

> cross contamination. Now we are wondering: