Alpha Lipoic Acid research

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Alpha Lipoic Acid research

>Stan Angilley is our Supplements God on the " secret diabetics' list " .

Being new, I'm not sure I fully comprehend the " secret diabetics' list. "

With due respect, to me, medically-related information should be from a

reputable, acknowledged source with substantiation for anything said, backed by

peer reviewed articles and double-blind studies. Information supported only by

apocryphal evidence or testimonials fails, in my book, to be authentic, and I

cannot subscribe to it. In many instances, the source of information is or

equal, if not greater, importance as the text. Will you be good enough to

please indicate when any information you relate in this list is from such

unauthentic or unverified sources?

I find your reference to a " Supplements God " to be equally perplexing.

Dietary supplements are a multi-billion dollar industry. A very interesting,

informative article, titled " An FDA Guide to Dietary Supplements " by a

Kurtzweil, can be read in its entirety at

http://vm.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/fdsupp.html.

An excerpt from that article says:

" One thing dietary supplements are not is drugs. A drug, which sometimes can

be derived from plants used as traditional medicines, is an article that, among

other things, is intended to diagnose, cure, mitigate, treat, or prevent

diseases. Before marketing, drugs must undergo clinical studies to determine

their effectiveness, safety, possible interactions with other substances, and

appropriate dosages, and FDA must review these data and authorize the drugs' use

before they are marketed. FDA does not authorize or test dietary supplements. "

The above excerpt and the full article (shown in the link) specifically denies

drug status for any supplements, and, as you will see, the manufacturer of such

supplements is specifically prohibited from advertising any supplement for use

with any disease or symptoms except in a rare number of cases in which " an

authoritative statement from certain scientific bodies, such as the National

Academy of Sciences, that shows or describes a well-established diet-to-health

link " Notice that this prohibition is against the manufacturers and not

against distributors and sellers with questionable ethics, who may make any

representations they wish -- as long as somebody doesn't challenge them. While

drug manufacturers are required to provide Package Inserts showing any

contradictions with other drugs that can occur and/or any reactions a person

using the medication may experience, supplement manufacturers are not. As an

example, persons taking supplements containing Gingko Bilabo or Garlic may be in

extreme jeopardy if they are also taking medications that thin blood -- even

aspirin for aspirin therapy.

>This is the first of two parts describing the benefits of lipoic acid

>supplementation and especially, the blessing benefits of lipoic acid for

>diabetics ...

I reviewed the above-referenced materials, and found they failed the test of

authenticity on several counts.

First, the apocryphal evidence contained in those articles DOES NOT satisfy

the requirement for peer-reviewed, double blind studies required for all drugs

approved by the FDA. The manufacturer is not permitted to represent the product

any benefits to be derived for neuropathy of for diabetics. All such

representations are made as a result of studies -- not confirmed by any medical

authority of research organization. Coincidentally, the FDA also publishes a

report " Supplements Associated with Illnesses and Injuries " , which can be read

in totality at http://vm.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/fdsuppch.html. An excerpt from

that article shows that L-trytopham, also known as Alpha Lipoic Acid, poses the

following health hazards:

" Herbal Ingredient: L-tryptophan (an amino acid)

Possible Health Hazards: eosinophilia myalgia syndrome, a potentially fatal

blood disorder that can cause high fever, muscle and joint pain, weakness, skin

rash, and swelling of the arms and legs "

Finally, I suggest that a person taking any medication whatsoever should not

add a dietary supplement to their regimen without consulting with their medical

team. There are legitimate supplements in the marketplace, but I am not about

to take one without first consulting my endocrinologist. I am firmly convinced

that the best hope we have for the treatment of diabetes is vested in the

medical community. To that end, if a supplement is any good for medical

treatment, I can't imagine any doctor that wouldn't jump to treat his patients

with it. As a footnote to this, I read an article in our Houston Chronicle

earlier this week reporting the problems airing from cancer patients using

supplements and not notifying their doctors. That article may be viewed online

at

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/health/632826

While this article deals with cancer patients, I'll bet the same could be said

of diabetics -- unfortunately, and I don't know anyone that has been helped by

one of these products.

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Chaarles wrote:

I ordered them from Puritans Pride

http://www.puritan.com/scriptsp/start.exe/puritan/mainnew.html

If you catch a 3-for-1 sale, some sample alpha lipoic acid prices ....

30 mg 360 capsules $24.95

100 mg 360 capsules $49.95

200 mg 300 capsules $74.50

Sorry, Susie, they don't package ALA in more than 100 capsule packages. See

the prices at:

http://www.puritan.com/scriptsp/htmlos.exe/p.a.g.epuritan/mainnew.html/2645.

1.34815643787

The prices you quoted above should have been as follows:

30 mg 60 capsules $24.95

100 mg 60 capsules $49.95

200 mg 100 capsules $74.50

Uhhhh ... I did ... as I emphasized above, IF you catch the 3-for-1 ... they

also have 2-for-1, or 5-for-2. I have mentioned this co. several times,

saying they always have " some sort " of a sale. I gave an example of their

sale prices, and suggested others wait until they get those prices.

I truly am trying ... Anyone else in the group getting tired of this

heckling?

Susie (

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Re: Alpha Lipoic Acid research

Chaarles wrote:

I ordered them from Puritans Pride

http://www.puritan.com/scriptsp/start.exe/puritan/mainnew.html

If you catch a 3-for-1 sale, some sample alpha lipoic acid prices ....

30 mg 360 capsules $24.95

100 mg 360 capsules $49.95

200 mg 300 capsules $74.50

Sorry, Susie, they don't package ALA in more than 100 capsule packages. See

the prices at:

http://www.puritan.com/scriptsp/htmlos.exe/p.a.g.epuritan/mainnew.html/2645.

1.34815643787

The prices you quoted above should have been as follows:

30 mg 60 capsules $24.95

100 mg 60 capsules $49.95

200 mg 100 capsules $74.50

Uhhhh ... I did ... as I emphasized above, IF you catch the 3-for-1 ... they

also have 2-for-1, or 5-for-2. I have mentioned this co. several times,

saying they always have " some sort " of a sale. I gave an example of their

sale prices, and suggested others wait until they get those prices.

I truly am trying ... Anyone else in the group getting tired of this

heckling?

Susie (

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THAT was not heckling, Susie. You quoted prices that were wrong, and

quantities of 360 capsules for each category of price. There are no quantities

of 360 capsules available. I'm sorry if you call the correction of your

colossal incorrectness heckling? Should I sit by and allow everyone to be

terribly misled? I won't do it, and you shouldn't ask it.

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