Re[5]: Re: Too Much Inflamation - sewer gas in hot water

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I'm including several " small " solutions for your parents " black " on the pipes.

I imply large solutions would be best, but understand budget constraints...

At least the small solutions should be done, as they will clear up the

air somewhat, and provide a longer term solution than just cleaning

the pipes every 6 months. Good luck.

At 07:58 AM 4/19/2009, you wrote:

> >>and they have

> >>complained, but the city denies that it's their problem. I don't

> >>believe that they have even investigated.

>

>PB> Correct action on their part. See above, and past post. I try

>PB> to keep my posts short, and to the point, as typing is a slow

>PB> process. One day all my posts will be online, by the end

>PB> of summer. Then I can earn money on my typing time.

>

>Guess we'll have to be very careful about our comments, then -

>especially those of us who are working on active cases!

I never make public anything that someone emailed me privately,

or posted in a mailing list. I will not repurpose it, not even in my

own words, without written permission, and without removing

all possible references that would reveal the source. I will ask

you first via email if I can post the included modified copy to somewhere.

That's the best thing for me.

> >>PB> So, your parents have everyone on their side, including the neighbors

> >>PB> who are suffering from sewer gas exposure as well.

> >>

> >>I never thought about having them ask the neighbors. They might even

> >>be too timid to do that. They're afraid to bother anyone.

>

>PB> They do not " know " their neighbors? Sigh. Only in the USA.

>

>Of course they know their neighbors!

But do neighbors want neighbors to be ill? <g>

> >>call. My Son cleaned it out for them (all black inside),

>

>PB> Inside what? On walls?

>

>The sink pipes.

Oh, condensation moisture. That is very hard to fight.

But there is an easy solution. After a severe disinfection

sterilization of the pipes, and surrounding area, put both

the cold and hot water pipes into insulation to prevent

the moisture from reaching the cold metal surface.

And do the same for the pipes just outside.

And seal the foam surrounding the pipes so

the black can not get back in, or moisture.

A problem occurs when the black mold regrows on the

pipes and is hidden by the insulation. Bad voodoo there.

Be very careful. Yearly inspection is tough, but needed for

the first 3-5 years. Any sign, and begin all over with fresh

material.

The wall where the pipes come out... can leak in moldy air

forced in by outside air pressure. The pipes are likely

moldy inside the wall. The only solution is to remove

the wall, and look. You can drill a 1 inch hole and use

a fiber optic flashlight and viewing system to look without

full wall removal.

Where the pipe exits the wall must be sealed with lots

of plaster, spackle, etc.

Without knowing how moist the air is outside, near ocean or not,

or how old the building is, there is not much more I can type as

the number of variations is huge.

My advise is to tear out at least 6 inches of wall around the pipe

and inspect the interior of the wall. It can be so bad as to condemn

the building, but on this list I should not have to post those details,

and the range of things that might be found. I hope that has already

been covered.

>PB> They should sell and move to clean home, it sounds like.

>PB> If they have bad health symptoms, then they should only

>PB> sleep there, in a safe bedroom, and leave during the day

>PB> and night.

>

>Not at their ages!

Phooey. It's just the moldy home weakening them.

If they got out, they would have plenty of energy,

and live longer, too.