Re: the hla geno type/sorry,delayed thought process

[Guest guest]

forgot what I last learned on the HLA involvement.

th17,th1,th2 involvement in the first responce and the HLA plays a

role in the secondary responcem after the foreign invaders pass the

mucosa lingings and get into the tissues and blood

(system). this is where HLA plays role of less than 45 persent

because other cells also present foreign invaders to be distroyed.

HLA does play a role in autoimmune disease. I dont think a accurate

percentage could be put on this as it may depend largely on exposure

dose and HLA geno types. with a really heavy exposure it might not

matter weither you have these geno types or not and theres some

evidence that shows they could actually be mutations caused by breaks

in the chains, what ever they are called, cant remember, amino acid

chains? couldn't find much info. at that point.

if that turns out to be true than the HLA types would be proof of

damage. seems a possability as these changes in genes has to start

somewhere as mutations to be passed down. like so many illnesses once

thought to be inherited that are now being found to be enviromentally

caused, who knows. the fact still remains that it doesn't come into

play unless you have a bad exposure and first defences cant fight off

the invaders. in other words there is already some major damage done.

if you dont have these geno types you will detox a little faster

which will stop further damage but if you were exposed to high

amounts and suffered much damage and you immune system and liver were

damaged also, i'm not sure haveing these geno types would make much

difference at all. I fell that the word predisposed to get this

disease is not a accurate statement. from what I've learned, gene

mutations are caused by toxic exposures,even passed through the womb

and no dought play a role in many birth defects. who's to say that

our exposure hasn't caused gene mutations.

>

> because theres lot's of misunderstanding about it.

> no.1 it really has nothing to do with your exposure and how much

> damage you will suffer.

> the amount of organs and system damage is what will deturmine how

> well and or if you recover.

> 2. even with the having the geno types you will detox unless your

> immune system is totally whacked in which case you well be dead or

> dieing. haveing the geno type or types plays less than around 45

> percent on the role of detoxing.

> and really is only a marker to use to show these people are more

> sisceptable to mold exposure and may, even at a somewhat lower dose

> exposure suffer illness from it.

> repeat: it basiclly doesn't have a damn thing to do with exposure

> that are in high enough amounts that will cause anyone or any

living

> thing with a immune system to suffer damage.

> 3. high C4-a cell count is now considered the best marker to prove

> mold exposure and the damage it's caused to the immune system and

> that haveing high C4a counts,inflammation is a sign of re-exposure

to

> molds.

> 4. even Dr. Shoemaker say's his book " mold warriors " was already

> outdated by the time it was sold. and reading this book is a good

> thing to do but it's not up to date.

> 5. remember, you had these geno types way before you got sick from

> your exposure and that itself show's just how little it has to do

> with anything and it may really just play more of a role after the

> fact and only if you suffered severe immune system damage to the

> point that those bad geno types are now just going to help keep you

> sick.

> let's be very careful about bringing up this subject because it has

> and will be tooken out of context and we will be blamed for our

> illness instead of the exposure, as everyone is exposed to a small

> amount of mold everyday and you dont get sick from that until after

> you have had a severe exposure which causes organ and system damage

> and makes you hypersinsitive to molds and for some, many other

> chemical's.

>

[Guest guest]

NO. I think he is overloaded with patients, hopeing more doctors well

start reconizeing and treating people.

here's a link to some vedios of his

biotoxin illness 101 part 1

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8831727139286753564

part 3

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5603543970500117297

--- In , Frohna <vafrohna@...>

wrote:

>

> Does anybody know if Dr Shoemaker has a newer & more up to date

book out?

> tHANKS!

>

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