Guest guest Posted September 16, 2000 Report Share Posted September 16, 2000 In a message dated 00-09-16 01:14:31 EDT, you write: << When I'm on the lo-carb regime, it's almost militant--30-50/day. >> 30-50 carbs per day sounds pretty good. Here's something sweet I discovered you might like to add to your regime, doesn't do too much damage...for dessert try ricotta cheese mixed with either " cinnamnon-sugar " (using Equal or Splenda) and a few strawberries...or even better if you can get it, Twist (which is a yummy low-carb chocolate-hazelnut spread) mixed in. Low-fat ricotta has 5.140 carbs per 100 grams and if you can find the whole-milk kind it, interestingly, has even less carbs, 3.040 per 100 grams. I like it by the spoonful but it also tastes great on a piece of (low-carb) bread. I think you can buy the low-carb bread mix (for bread machines) through one of the low-carb site on the web. The Twist is from Holland and they have a website but it's not finished yet so you can't order from the web yet. But it'll be up soon, I hope. I'm lucky -- there's a low-carb store near my house. And the next time they get it in I'm buying three or four bottles. Vicki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2000 Report Share Posted September 16, 2000 In a message dated 00-09-16 01:28:00 EDT, you write: << Vicki, a stretched out peak isn't a peak anymore is it. >> Right, it's a bread loaf! :-) V. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2000 Report Share Posted September 16, 2000 > Hi, Bob. Welcome to our group - and I'm glad Teri got you onboard. Your > introduction was delightful, and I look forward to having you with us. > > We all backslide from time to time, I'm sure. Personally, I'm a carb > addict, and am much better on a moderate to low intake thereof. However, > since my apples, plums and rasberries are ripe, and peaches not far behind, > this isn't always the way. I'm scrambling like mad to give it all away, so > it's not here and in my face. Thanks Barb. It must be tough occupying the center axis of orchards and berry tracts, even while the fruit be mainly forbidden. As I recall--correct me if I'm wrong--there was another woman, long, long ago who was stuck in the same predicament. I think her name was Eve. God must have known she was diabetic, else why would He restrict her carb intake? Even went to the extent of exhorting that if she didn't go lo-carb " Thou shalt surely die! " an urging which we know through modern, diabetic science was the exact right thing to say! But, then again, if it were really Eden, most surely there must have been croissants, pasta prima vera and beer-battered shrimp just laying around too. But God, being the divine glucometer, would surely have cast a stern eye in her direction had she reached for one of those other carbohydratic sins too. These features didn't make it the King version of the Bible, perhaps, for editorial reasons, like concision. I mean the Bible is quite long enough, without itemizing the complete Edenic inventory from A to Z, from almond meringue to zucchini bread. The genealogical 'begets', rather, get such a full treatment, later in Numbers and such. It was decided that listing people's names and the names of their offspring reasonably counted more than listing everything in the kitchen cupboards, the orchards, the lands of milk and honey. Probably the best thing, too, since no one really complains about the decision, quite satisfied are we with the final result, the best best seller of all time. And the side benefit of listing all Eve's offspring and their offsprings means that we diabetics are all related to one another. Our family tree is there in black and white. Now, had Eve reached He would've felt the BG (By God!) spike. She did. He did. He did feel a spike, like a wound. Got to get her out of there, away from the Eden's starchy abundance. Could just as easily have been a bagel or even Haagen Daaz that did Eve in--piece o' cake in Eden!-- but it just happened to be an apple, that's all. Which variety wasn't specified, maybe a Cortland, maybe a Gravenstein, but likely a 's Orange. The situation seems to have found its contemporary rehearsal, at a farm named 'Rainbow'with an Eve stand-in named Barb! Only the names have changed. Notice though that all the names carry equivalent amounts of syllables, I suspect, by divine design. And our divine glucometer goes by several names (also beginning with Capital Letters) these days, and we each of us, the pious diabetics, have small shrines where we offer up our blood sacrifices everyday. But we should remain comforted knowing our direct family linkage lines up straight with the first diabetic, Eve, she, an otherwise perfect creation. (sorry for blathering stream of consciousness; I've been pent up for a long time; I promise: it will abate, just as the flood did) Bob ****************************** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2000 Report Share Posted September 16, 2000 In a message dated 00-09-16 08:57:39 EDT, you write: << (sorry for blathering stream of consciousness; I've been pent up for a long time; I promise: it will abate, just as the flood did) >> Not blathering, Bob, loved that post...I'm saving it! Vicki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2000 Report Share Posted September 16, 2000 In a message dated 00-09-16 10:05:19 EDT, you write: << ****Thanks, Vick. I'm pretty compulsive (as in overeater), so there's no such thing as a small treat, if they're in the house. >> Sure, I understand...I'm sorta compulsive myself. But I handle Small Amounts of Treats by counting 'em out, putting the rest out of sight and leaving the kitchen. (i.e. ten almonds)...you could pick the berries, pack 'em up to give away but hold out ten or twelve for yourself, get the rest out of sight then eat your 10 or 12 Very Slowly, Savoring each burst of flavor...then do something else, Quick! Well it works for me...but maybe not for you. V. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2000 Report Share Posted September 16, 2000 Boy, any little distraction around here and my brain falls out! I meant to say that experiments have shown that just squeezing on our kidneys can cause them to leak protein. I wrote: << One study found that just squeezing on our kidneys with our arms and hands increases the pressure in them. >> Susie < picking brain up off floor, poking it back in via my left ear > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2000 Report Share Posted September 16, 2000 > Welcome Bob! I remember you from way back, and wondered what had > happened to the gent from Nova Scotia. > Nice to see you found us here. Thanks. The tone of conversation in this place is very friendly. Bob ****************************** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2000 Report Share Posted September 16, 2000 > Gee Bob, on this list, you can even talk about herbals, and supplements > without getting bombed! Imagine that! Is Simon diabetic? Parsley, sage, rosemary... > My regimen consists of 1000mg evening primrose 3x daily, 400ui vitamin E > 3x daily, in addition to glucophage. What does the evening primrose do? Bob ****************************** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2000 Report Share Posted September 16, 2000 > Welcome Bob, > > I'm one of those guys that hide in the back. I read a lot but don't post > two often. Weight training has become my passion. No, I don't even plan on > struting round on stage, but I like my strenght gains, and busting a gut to > push a few more pounds! > Besides, as a type two diabetic, muscle mass is more sensitive to insulin > that body fat. And the NEW muscle is not tainted with high sugars, insulin, > or " plastic foods " . Ya, muscles are good. I think I've gained about 10-15 lbs worth of them. What I don't look forward to, though, are those darn DOMS! More sleep, I need, I guess. Bob ****************************** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2000 Report Share Posted September 16, 2000 > Welcome to the list, Bob! There are a number of us Cdns on this list. Halifax is a great place (we were there last summer). Thanks, . Ya, Halifax is okay, though, I suppose its diabetic clinic as about as Pleistocenic as most places. The nutrionist at my final check-up looked horrified by my diet report. She encouraged me to 'up' the carbs to achieve more 'balance'. I listened patiently and on the way out, I dumped the pamphet on 'Low-Fat Muffin Recipes' into the waste. Old paradigms die hard. Bob ****************************** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2000 Report Share Posted September 16, 2000 Susie wrote: > I'm sure they are as charmed as I am, Bob. They already know you, through my > repetition of your catchy phrases, such as " working the perimeters of the > grocery stores " and " we diabetics are all spread along the continuum. " I said those things? Ha! Still, I should read posting guidelines if you have them, since, as you know, I can sometimes overswing my welcome, something like a chimp on a chandelier at a royal ball. Bob ****************************** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2000 Report Share Posted September 16, 2000 > > In a message dated 00-09-16 08:57:39 EDT, you write: > > << (sorry for blathering stream of consciousness; I've been pent up for a > long time; I promise: it will abate, just as the flood did) >> > > Not blathering, Bob, loved that post...I'm saving it! Vicki Vicki, who is the moderator? Is the list owned? Does the moderator participate. What are the edges of acceptable decorum? Bob ****************************** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2000 Report Share Posted September 16, 2000 Bob wrote: > Ya, Halifax is okay, though, I suppose its diabetic clinic > as about as Pleistocenic as most places. <snip> I listened patiently and on the way out, I dumped the pamphet on 'Low-Fat > Muffin Recipes' into the waste. Old paradigms die hard. They certainly do... and many paradigms are still quite healthy and living in our health care system. My own doctor was horrified when I told him that I was " low carbing " ... after all ... he'd been eating low fat and see how much weight he has lost eating veggie pizza! (geez!!!) and when I offered to give him some reading material on what I was doing, he dismissed it and said that he didn't have time to read!!! Luckily for me, my endo is a little more reasonable in this regard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2000 Report Share Posted September 16, 2000 > > (sorry for blathering stream of consciousness; I've been pent up for a > > long time; I promise: it will abate, just as the flood did) > > > > Bob > > > > ****************************** > > Hi, Bob. Does this mean we can look forward to this for another 39 > days? <VBG> No, although you've caught me with the broad side of one of the arc's oars with this biblical technicality. Let us thus call mine a 'flash flood', like in the movies. You can decide which is better, the book or the movie, though in most cases it's the book that wins out. Bob ****************************** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2000 Report Share Posted September 16, 2000 > Welcome Bob, > I am looking forward to your future posts. > I also have Susie to thank for pointing me in the direction of diabetes_int. > I haven't been able to get to where I am low carbing yet but I am trying. > Any suggestions or ideas from someone whom overcame the difficulties of > changing their whole way of eating is always appreciated. > I do have certain medical " excuses " that I am trying to overcome such as > chronic severe gastritis from years of NSAID use. > Pleased to see another Canadian on the list, British Columbia here. All the > figures posted in American numbers are sometimes confusing to me but I just > keep my calculator handy and divide by 18. > Now step up to the front of the room and share what helps you " low-carb " . Mine may be an incongruous perspective on lo-carb. Although our focus is trained on the foods themselves, lo-carb, hi-carb, whatever, I assert that context is everything. It's everything other than the foods that conditions our focus toward it. Mediating the environment in which lo-carb eating is to be situated is like a putting a color filter in front of everything you eat. Family support, with it, that's a positive mediating force, but without it, your sunk. Reading about LC strengthens the intellectual shell. Metaphors work for me in grocery store, another alterable environment. For instance, we shop only what we call the 'perimeter' of the store, that is vegetables, meat, poultry, cheese. The center aisles we call the 'razor-wired rows'. Military metaphors. For stuff like coffee, my wife enters those rows. I just walk the big square on the outside. Also, I don't watch television. The ads for Raisin Bran and 17 million other carb-soaked food are 'cognitive programming devices'. Advertising works, most especially on those who stiffen up and say, 'Oh, those darn stupid ads don't work on me'. Ya, right. I never eat out. Only special pre-planned outings. Eating out is like sending a fox do a census count at a chicken barn. That's environment too. In the house, carbs have their own designated cupboard, and even then, only a small section. My wife has more or less come in my direction on this count. She's thin and eats fries or a donut at work, but once home, she pretty much eats what I do. When she does eat carbs, it's boring stuff that I don't like anyway--boiled potatoe, Wonderbread, Mr.Noodles..ick! That's environment. Run your autobiography through your mind and that might throw a cold spotlight on psychological conditionings which obstruct your progress. A good example: When you describe the lo-carb diet to most people, they often reel in horror, with the refrain, " Oh my! I could never live like that! No bananas? No way! " That's the perfectly stiff welder's joint of conditioning speaking that refrain. Mind already fixed to fail. If one look around one's complete personal environment with a contemplative but critical eye, all the sabateurs begin to emerge from the shadows of their ambush. Each of has her own peculiar set of environmental forces which lie in wait for chances to subvert. Hoisting a forkful of chicken to your mouth is the easy part. As Mark Twain offered, " Context is everything: it's the difference between lightning and the lightning bug " . Bob ****************************** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2000 Report Share Posted September 16, 2000 > In a message dated 00-09-16 17:24:02 EDT, you write: > > << What I don't look forward to, though, are those darn DOMS >> > > what are DOMS? V. 'Delayed Muscle Onset Soreness'. Lift a good workout of weights on Monday, feel fine Tuesday, but on Wednesday feel the slow onset of muscles repairing, renovating, adding more rooms, digging a new septic tank, getting bigger. A little soreness, in short, delayed. Of the best kind, though, like that consuming tranquility of complete exhaustion and soreness after a hard day of picking apples or moving an entire household.. that feeling in bed, just before the the onset of a peaceful, restorative sleep. DOMS. Bob ****************************** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2000 Report Share Posted September 16, 2000 > > In a message dated 00-09-16 17:28:57 EDT, you write: > > << , though, I suppose its diabetic clinic as about as Pleistocenic as most > places. >> > > ...tho I'm not 'zactly sure if " Pleistocenic " is an actual word...but we get > the idea. V. Ya, well, I thought 'Pleistocenic' telegraphed a better sense of the retrogradationality of the nutritionist, than, say, 'backward'. I make up new words all the time because the million or so words we have in English are not nearly enough to cover the infinitudinicular nature of human experience. I'm not alone in this. Shakespeare didn't know what what 'slam-dunk' meant because no one had thunk it up yet. Bob ****************************** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2000 Report Share Posted September 17, 2000 DaveO, with all that oil and glucophage, not surprising you read a lot in the reading room. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2000 Report Share Posted September 17, 2000 Do you see why I love Bob? We're all delighted you decided to join our group. Bob can step in and explain things so wonderfully! He wrote: << Run your autobiography through your mind and that might throw a cold spotlight on psychological conditionings which obstruct your progress. A good example: When you describe the lo-carb diet to most people, they often reel in horror, with the refrain, " Oh my! I could never live like that! No bananas? No way! " That's the perfectly stiff welder's joint of conditioning speaking that refrain. Mind already fixed to fail. >> Bob, your response to Faye Dunn was perfect. When my sister went to Mayo Clinic with her rheumatoid arthritis, gout, and Sjogren's to be checked for food allergies, they gave her a list that was basically grains. She came home, depressed, and said, " I'm allergic to everything! " No she wasn't. But in her mind, she was, because she loves to eat out, and she couldn't possibly imagine meals that didn't contain bread, pasta, rice and potatoes. Go to a restaurant and tell the waitstaff you want something with your meat other than potatoes or rice dishes, and they're stumped! (Hint: just ask for more veggies, if what they're serving isn't a starchy offering.) You can ask the staff not to bring you bread, and they'll do it anyway ... It's such a habit. Many of us find carbohydrates so addicting that we don't dare allow them in the house. We check the nutritional labels, and set an upper limit per serving. We really have to watch the serving sizes ... my portions tend to be 2-4 times what they list. That has to be factored in when " counting carbs off the label. " Susie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2000 Report Share Posted September 17, 2000 Bob wrote: > > > > > > Gee Bob, on this list, you can even talk about herbals, and supplements > > without getting bombed! Imagine that! > > Is Simon diabetic? Parsley, sage, rosemary... > > > My regimen consists of 1000mg evening primrose 3x daily, 400ui vitamin E > > 3x daily, in addition to glucophage. > > What does the evening primrose do? For one: Supplementing with 4 grams of evening primrose oil per day for six months has been found to reverse the cause of diabetic nerve damage and improve this painful condition. In double blind research, 6 grams per day helped reduce nerve damage in people with both IDDM and NIDDM.95 95. Reichert R. Evening primrose oil and diabetic neuropathy. Quarterly Rev Natural Med Summer 1995:129–33 [review]. And: What does it do? Evening primrose oil (EPO), black currant seed oil, and borage oil contain gamma linolenic acid (GLA), a fatty acid that the body converts to a hormone-like substance called prostaglandin E1 (PGE1). PGE1 has anti-inflammatory properties and may also act as a blood thinner and blood vessel dilator. The anti-inflammatory properties of EPO have been studied in double blind research with people suffering from rheumatoid arthritis. Some, but not all, studies have reported that EPO supplementation provides significant benefit to these people. GLA, the primary active ingredient in EPO, has anti-cancer activity in test tube studies and in some, but not all, animal studies. Injecting GLA into tumors has caused regression of cancer in people in preliminary research. Very preliminary evidence in people with cancer suggested “marked subjective improvement,” though not all studies find GLA helpful. EPO has been reported to lower cholesterol levels in people in some, but not all, research. Linoleic acid, a common fatty acid found in nuts, seeds, and most vegetable oils (including EPO), should theoretically convert to PGE1. But many things can interfere with this conversion, including disease, the aging process, saturated fat, hydrogenated oils, blood sugar problems, and inadequate vitamin C, magnesium, zinc, and B vitamins. Supplements that provide GLA circumvent these conversion problems, leading to more predictable formation of PGE1. Where is it found? EPO is found primarily in supplements. The active ingredient, GLA, can also be found in black current seed oil and borage oil supplements. -- Dave -- Sunday, September 17, 2000 t2 8/98 Glucophage & *anything* laced with Aspartame ICQ 10312009 «» DavOr's daily aphorism: Hypochondria is the only disease I haven't got. -- Visit my photo page @ http://www.dorcutt.homepage.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2000 Report Share Posted September 17, 2000 astrocarly@... wrote: > > > In a message dated 9/16/00 7:32:35 AM Pacific Daylight Time, fencible@... > writes: > > << 400ui vitamin E > 3x daily, >> > > Tell me about this, why do you take it 3x aday? thanks Vitamin E Also known as: Tocopherol, tocopheryl (acetate, succinate, etc.) What does it do? Vitamin E is a powerful antioxidant that protects cell membranes and other fat-soluble parts of the body, such as LDL cholesterol (the “bad” cholesterol). Protection of LDL cholesterol may reduce the risk of heart disease. Two studies published in the New England Journal of Medicine show that both men1 and women2 who supplement with at least 100 IU of vitamin E per day for at least two years have a 37–41% drop in the risk of heart disease. Even more impressive is the 77% drop in nonfatal heart attacks reported in the double blind CHAOS study, in which people were given 400–800 IU vitamin E per day.3 What about the different kinds of vitamin E? The names of all types of vitamin E begin with either “d” or “dl,” which refer to differences in chemical structure. The “d” form is natural and “dl” is synthetic. The natural form is more active. More synthetic vitamin E is added to supplements to compensate for the low level of activity. For example, 100 IU of vitamin E requires about 67 mg of the natural form but at least 100 mg of the synthetic. Little is known about how the synthetic “dl” form affects the body, though no clear toxicity has been discovered. Most doctors of natural medicine advise people to use only the natural (“d”) form of vitamin E. After the “d” or “dl” designation, often the Greek letter “alpha” appears, which also describes the structure. Synthetic “dl” vitamin E is found only in the alpha form—as in “dl-alpha tocopherol.” Natural vitamin E can be found either as alpha—as in “d-alpha tocopherol”—or in combination with beta, gamma, and delta—this combination is labeled “mixed” (as in mixed natural tocopherols). Human trials with vitamin E have almost always been done with the alpha (not gamma) form. Historically the synthetic “dl” form was used in most trials, but some trials are now using the natural form. The two reports mentioned above (men and women who supplement vitamin E have fewer heart attacks) measured alpha intake. The double blind CHAOS trial mentioned above, showing a 77% reduction in nonfatal attacks, used alpha and not gamma. This strongly suggests that the alpha form is protective. A group of researchers recently claimed that gamma might better protect against oxidative damage;4 the evidence comes from a test tube study. As a result, some have hypothesized that alpha might interfere with the activity of gamma-tocopherol, a claim that remains unproven. The issue of alpha versus gamma requires much more research before it can be fully understood. Almost all vitamin E research shows that positive results require hundreds of units per day—an amount easily obtained with supplements but impossible with food. Therefore, switching to food sources as suggested by some researchers is impractical. Until more is known, people seeking to add gamma tocopherol can find mixed natural tocopherol supplements. They contain a small amount of gamma, but the percentage remains much lower than that found in food. Vitamin E forms are listed as either “tocopherol” or “tocopheryl” followed by the name of what is attached to it, as in “tocopheryl acetate.” The two forms are not greatly different; however, tocopherol may absorb a little better, while tocopheryl forms may have slightly better shelf life. Both forms are active when taken by mouth. However, the skin cannot utilize the tocopheryl forms, so those planning to apply vitamin E to the skin should buy tocopherol. In health food stores, the most common forms of vitamin E are d-alpha tocopherol and d-alpha tocopheryl (acetate or succinate). Both of these d (natural) alpha forms are frequently recommended by doctors of natural medicine. Where is it found? Wheat germ oil, nuts, seeds, vegetable oils, whole grains, egg yolks, and leafy green vegetables all contain vitamin E. However, the high levels found in supplements, often 100–800 IU per day, are not obtainable from eating food. But then this study says: (This is the one that influenced me) Wednesday, July 12, 2000 Vitamin E Lowers Risks in Diabetics Scientists have found another benefit to vitamin E: it can help diabetes patients reduce their risk of heart disease and stroke. Having type II diabetes can increase an individual's risk for cardiovascular problems, including heart disease and stroke. Researchers at the University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center in Dallas compared the benefits of taking vitamin E supplements in three groups: Type II diabetes patients who have inflammation caused by white blood cells, type II diabetes patients without this inflammation, and a control group that doesn't have diabetes. Each group had 25 persons. The inflammation plays a role in plaque formation in the arteries, which can eventually lead to heart disease or stroke. All participants took 1,200 International Units of vitamin E daily for three months, followed by two months without the supplement. Study results show vitamin E had anti-inflammatory effects in all three groups. Researcher say this finding is particularly important to diabetics trying to reduce their risks of health-related complications. " It could be a further therapy to prevent vascular complications in diabetes ... " says lead researcher Dr. Ishwarlal Jialal. This study is published in the July 11 issue of Circulation: Journal of the American Heart Association. --By Katrina Woznicki I take it for cardiac concerns, along with the anti-inflammatory results, which seem to help my knees which both have surgically-induced degenerative arthritis. -- Dave -- Sunday, September 17, 2000 t2 8/98 Glucophage & *anything* laced with Aspartame ICQ 10312009 «» DavOr's daily aphorism: * Montana -- At least our cows are sane! -- Visit my photo page @ http://www.dorcutt.homepage.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2000 Report Share Posted September 17, 2000 whimsy2@... wrote: > In a message dated 00-09-16 17:28:57 EDT, you write: > > << , though, I suppose its diabetic clinic as about as Pleistocenic as most > places. >> > > ...tho I'm not 'zactly sure if " Pleistocenic " is an actual word...but we get > the idea. V. Just for you: Main Entry: Pleis·to·cene Pronunciation: 'plIs-t & - " sEn Function: adjective Etymology: Greek pleistos most + International Scientific Vocabulary -cene; akin to Greek pleiOn more Date: 1839 : of, relating to, or being the earlier epoch of the Quaternary or the corresponding system of rocks -- see GEOLOGIC TIME table - Pleistocene noun It's all Greek to me.. Only a writer would know where to place this one.. -- Dave -- Sunday, September 17, 2000 t2 8/98 Glucophage & *anything* laced with Aspartame ICQ 10312009 «» DavOr's daily aphorism: Old age is better than the alternative. -- Visit my photo page @ http://www.dorcutt.homepage.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2000 Report Share Posted September 17, 2000 Bob wrote: > > > > Vicki, who is the moderator? Is the list owned? Does the moderator > > > participate. > > > > > > What are the edges of acceptable decorum? > > > > ***I'm not Vicki. Teri and Norgaard are the moderators. Wasn't it > > Teri who helped you join, and I would imagine that the edges of acceptable > > decorum would human decency, but she'd be the one to respond more > > accurately. > > > > Barb > > -------- > > Whoops, my apologies. It'll take me a little while to learn who's who and > to be a little more attentive. > > I guess I was wondering because 'decorum' suffers from a lot of semantic > slippage, meaning that its meaning is subject to local and sometimes > peculiar interpretation. > > Still, judging from the posts I've read in last two days, I'm getting a > feel for the range. When Norgaard of Denmark started this list (list owner) the emphasis was placed on diabetics helping one another with information, be it anecdotal or clinical. 's studies have taken his time away and so Teri graciously accepted the job of co-moderator. As sweet as she is, she can be a damn tough one also.. We need very little moderation here. We generally get away with a moderate amount of off-topic stuff thanks to a few jokers in the group (myself included). What is not allowed is flaming, in every aspect of that definition. Many of us have come from MHD, where anything goes, and insanity prevails at times. Condescending remarks will be promptly addressed by just about everyone because we feel safe here, and it just doesn't fly. While most don't know others personally, I feel that I can say that we have a family of cyber-friends here, who genuinely care about each other. The above is mainly IMHO only, others may modify. -- Dave -- Sunday, September 17, 2000 t2 8/98 Glucophage & *anything* laced with Aspartame ICQ 10312009 «» DavOr's daily aphorism: I'm an absolute, off-the-wall fanatical moderate. -- Visit my photo page @ http://www.dorcutt.homepage.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2000 Report Share Posted September 17, 2000 In a message dated 00-09-16 23:52:32 EDT, you write: << I guess I was wondering because 'decorum' suffers from a lot of semantic slippage, meaning that its meaning is subject to local and sometimes peculiar interpretation. >> We do tend to slip off topic sometimes but it's usually something funny or important or personal and no one objects...I like to think of us as sorta extended family. I do care about you all. Vicki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2000 Report Share Posted September 17, 2000 In a message dated 00-09-16 23:52:32 EDT, you write: << I guess I was wondering because 'decorum' suffers from a lot of semantic slippage, meaning that its meaning is subject to local and sometimes peculiar interpretation. >> We do tend to slip off topic sometimes but it's usually something funny or important or personal and no one objects...I like to think of us as sorta extended family. I do care about you all. Vicki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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