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e, you are sooooo right about the EGO! Most people are not even aware that they are letting their egos control them. It's so sad.

[ ] Humans vs. the environment - A thought experiment Date: Thursday, June 24, 2010, 12:09 PM

How long have you been aware of this? For me, it's been a few years. Have I done anything about it? NOT Really!

Ok, so I try to cut back on driving the car. I run all of my errands at one time. But I haven't put my 3 wheel bicycle together, that could be used locally.

Have I cut back on electricity? Well, I don't unplug everything. I did switch to energy saving bulbs and I try to keep the electronics off, if I am not paying attention to them, like TVs. But to unplug everything, and only plug it in when we need it, is hard because of where the outlets are. Hmm. Will have to look into that.

Do I recycle. No, but our garbage pickup doesn't recycle. But I could separate the plastic, glass & paper from rest of the junk and take them to where ever they have drops.

Do I purchase because I want something or need it? Oh, It's needed or I won't buy it.

Do I collect rain for water plants? Well we do have one rainbarrel now and I am please with it, so we will be adding more of the same.

What other ways, can we as individuals do to help save? The first that we need to do, it make All aware of the critical need of saving our environment. It's going to be difficult. Americans are spoiled. They want life easy. They are impractical. Instead of driving an economical vehicle, if they can afford to, they will buy a gas hog. Even if they can't afford it, they will buy it for the status symbol. Americans are so busy, we don't look farther than our noses. It needs to change, as the article below points out. It's going to take effort on our parts. Blessings, Joy

http://www.naturaln ews.com/029056_ environmental_ protection_ population_ control.html

Humans vs. the environment - A thought experiment

(NaturalNews) Protecting the environment isn't a "liberal" idea; it's everybody's business. Liberal or conservative, Democrat or Republican, the environment provides life support for us all, and if we fail to recognize that, we are truly doomed as a civilization.To help explain this, I've put together a simple thought experiment. It begins with three undeniable truths about humans and the environment:Truth #1 - The Earth's resources are limited.This should be self-evidence, but some people still don't get it. The Earth's resources -- oil, forests, water, energy, and so on -- are finite. They do not exist in infinite quantities. If they did, they would obviously be larger than the Earth itself (and would, in fact, fill the universe). But they don't fill the universe. They are contained within the boundaries of planet Earth, and therefore they are limited.Of course, many of Earth's resources can be either regenerated or recycled, but that only happens over time -- usually a long time. In the case of oil, it's hundreds of thousands of years. For fossil water it's much the same. The rate at which modern human civilization is using up these resources is orders of magnitude faster than the rate at which they can be naturally regenerated. This holds true for oil, water, topsoil, forests and more.Truth #2 - Each person living in modern civilization consumes some amount of the Earth's limited resources.This should also be self-evident: People consume resources. When you drive your car, you're obviously consuming limited natural resources. When you buy a car, you're consuming many other natural resources (all the elements that went into making a car), too. This is true even when you buy a solar panel.Every time you turn on a light switch, or open a package of food, or swallow a piece of food, you are consuming some amount of the Earth's limited resources.The sum of your consumption is called your "ecological footprint," and your ecological footprint is much larger than the immediate space you might call your home. The things you consume in your home require the resources of a much larger area far outside your home.A human child born in America today, for example, will consume 45,000 pounds of metal in their lifetime (through the products they purchase). That's 45,000 pounds of metal that must be mined, processed, transported and manufactured into consumable products, and metal mining is a very dirty business, by the way, even if that metal goes into making clean energy devices such as wind turbines.Truth #3 - Humans are altering the environmentYou can't argue with this (although some people ridiculously try). Human activity is altering our environment in a huge way, from the massive deforestation of the planet to the release of gases into the atmosphere. We've poisoned the rivers, destroyed natural habitat, polluted the oceans (Gulf of Mexico, anyone?) and altered the chemical composition of the atmosphere. These are undeniable scientific truths. No sane person can reasonably argue that human beings have not radically altered the environment of our planet over the last 200 years.If you visited North America 200 years ago, for example, you wouldn't even have recognized it as the same continent dominated by human beings today. A few hundred years ago, North America was teeming with life, with huge old-growth forests, pristine rivers and abundant plains. Today it is relatively dead, having been over-developed, over-paved and over-population to a point so extreme that our ancestors would largely consider it "dead".Truth #4 - Humans really like to have babiesThis is also self-evidence: People like to procreate. Every family, it seems, wants children, and those children want their own children, too. In general, human beings want to procreate without limitation. This, of course, leads to an explosion in population growth. We've seen this explosion over the last two hundred years as the Earth's population has grown from less than one billion people in 1800 to nearly seven billion today.Human beings do not consider their impact on the global population when they procreate. The decision to have children is made privately, selfishly, without regard to the impact on the planet. One more child seems like no big deal from the point of view of a couple that wishes for another son or daughter, but multiplied by billions, these decisions to procreate en masse lead to overpopulation, which leads to over-consumption of the planet's limited resources.

The Easter Island effectNow let's work our little thought experiment. Given the four simple truths described above, it is only a matter of time before the continued procreation of human beings collides with the reality of limited resources, causing a crisis of unsustainability.At some point, in other words, the continued expansion of human beings will destroy so much of the natural environment (and use so many natural resources) that there will not be enough resources available to support the continuation of the existing population.I call this the "Easter Island effect," in reference to the way in which the natives of Easter Island chopped down all their trees to build ever-larger monuments to themselves, and in doing so they destroyed their entire ecosystem and soon perished. The entire human civilization is now pulling an Easter Island on a global scale.

Our two choicesGiven that the unlimited expansion of the human population must inevitably use up key resources required to sustain human life, it stands to reason that there are only two choices for how we human beings can choose to deal with the situation:Choice #1 - We can acknowledge the ecological impact of human beings on our planet and make conscious choices to live within the bounds of sustainable balance with our planet (i.e. keeping our population size relatively stable by limiting runaway population growth, reducing our ecological footprint, respecting the natural environment that supports life on our planet, etc.).Choice #2 - We can continue our mindless population expansion and resource exploitation while ignoring any long-term consequences. This is the definition of stupidity, and yet it is precisely the path that modern human civilization is now choosing. It also seems to be the chosen path of "anti-environmental ists" -- people who resist the idea that we need to protect the environment at all.Sadly, human civilization has decided to go with choice #2. I believe the future of modern civilization is now set. Population expansion and resource depletion will soon collide with the limitations of our planet and result in a cataclysmic collapse of our civilization. We human beings are pulling off the Easter Island scenario, but with more than just trees: We're doing it with oil, water, soil and habitat. We are destroying the only planet that can keep us alive, and there now appears to be no stopping this self-destructive tendency of the human species.I have personally seen no evidence that the current human species is capable of long-term, sustainable balance with any ecosystem. It lacks the intelligent foresight necessary to anticipate such outcomes and make adjustments well in advance of them coming true. Some people among us even argue against environmental protection, not realizing they are essentially arguing for their own self-destruction.Other who are more thoughtful argue only against the fear of a world government enforcing environmental regulations at the expense of losing personal freedoms. This is a legitimate concern, and I happen to agree with these concerns. "Protecting the environment" can all too easily become a slippery mantra for world domination over individual freedom. The best way to avoid losing freedom while saving our environment is through education of the public that urges people to make better decisions without turning them into criminals if they fail to make those decisions.

Can humanity save itself?Saving human civilization from its own ignorance is no easy task. It will require intelligent, forward-thinking business leaders who see the long-term picture and who genuinely care about the future. Yet sadly, there is no such thing. Business leaders are, by definition, focused on the next fiscal quarter, not the next century. They will ALWAYS mortgage our collective future to increase their immediate profits.There is almost no such thing as a successful business person who is simultaneously an effective steward of our planet's natural resources. The simple act of generating more business -- in any business -- always results in more consumption because our entire economic system is based on consumption. It's even true about internet businesses, by the way. Every bit and byte you consume over the internet has an indirect environmental cost due to the electricity consumption of the CPUs delivering that content to you as well as, more importantly, the enormous cooling demand in data centers that spend fortunes just cooling all the computers running there.The fact that our economic activity is fundamentally based on consumption rather than conservation demonstrates why humanity is doomed to destroy itself. After seeing the failure of so many environmental summits, I'm convinced of it. I don't see any possible way that human beings will suddenly gain the intelligence and foresight necessary to live in balance with our natural world. Not without a crisis to teach everybody a few lessons, anyway. But even the Gulf Coast disaster isn't fundamentally changing the way business leaders think about consumption. They think it's just an "oil problem" not a global problem with the business models that drive our world into a self-destructive cycle of mindless consumption.

What may be coming in the next few yearsWhen the population continues to expand and most of the world's resources are wiped out, the human population will plunge into a time of great darkness. The loss of life will be immense -- perhaps as much as a 90% reduction in the planetary population. Ecosystems will fail, crops will fail and civilization itself will be brought to its knees. It won't take much to crash the current global system. Once the power grid is down for as little as 5 days, there's almost no bringing civilization back -- at least not modern civilization as we know it.Once the population is drastically reduced, the natural environment will have a chance to recover. Plants and animals will re-populate areas once lost to high-density human populations. And once the abundance returns, humans will again have the abundance necessary to re-populate, too. Hopefully future generations of human beings will learn from our present mistakes and not pursue the same path we did -- the path of endless consumption of the planet's resources to the point of destruction.On a long time scale, you will likely see human population rising, then crashing, then rising again from the ashes of a collapsed civilization. This is the ebb and flow of the future of life on Earth. You might even call it a "natural" cycle of human population expansion, then collapse, followed by expansion and yet more collapse. It's very similar to the way a virus invades a human body and multiplies until it kills the very host that once gave it life. In terms of big-picture behavior, humans are much like a virus on our planet.This cycle of destruction and rebirth could be balanced out, though, by a sufficiently intelligent species gifted with sufficient foresight to see what's coming and make early adjustments to avoid the population collapse. Our current human species, sadly, is not sufficiently intelligent to do so.

The corporate greed machineI hadn't really accepted this outcome as reality until just recently. I've always maintained a more optimistic attitude, thinking that we could find innovative ways to reverse climate change, reduce consumption, educate people and invent new technologies to clean up the planetary messes we've made. But I can now see that we're up against corporate monsters that are relentlessly pushing for our collective destruction.They're destroying our seeds and genes (for profit, no less), our soils, rivers, oceans and lands. They're corrupting our minds with pro-business propaganda and our bodies with their chemicals poisons. And they absolutely will not stop until every last exploitable resource on the planet has been used up and sold to a consumer. When our world is dominated by Monsanto, DuPont, oil companies, pharmaceutical companies, weapons manufacturers, junk food giants and chemical companies, there's not much hope for meaningful change that could set humanity on a new course of conservation and protection of life.Sadly, there is no stopping the great corporate greed machine. It will keep rolling forward, aiming for more growth, more consumption and more exploitation until the very last drop of oil is squeezed out of the tar sands and every last tree is slashed to make room for cattle ranching.A profit-based economic model cannot coexist with environmental protection because the two concepts are opposites. Big Business depends on endless growth, expansion, exploitation and consumption. But the environment can only be protected by consuming less. And that's not even in the vocabulary of today's business executives. The idea of consuming less is the antithesis of corporate profit and expansion.Have you ever seen a Coca-Cola ad that urged you to "drink less Coke"?That's why as long as corporations rule our world (and make no mistake, they already do), there is no saving the environment. Ergo, there is no saving ourselves from a complete civilization blowout that will eventually see the near-destruction of our natural world... with the collapse of the human population to soon follow.

The thought experiment - SimEarthImagine you're playing a software game called SimEarth. (Such a game actually exists, I believe, but I'm not referring to any real game. This is a fictional exercise.)In this SimEarth game, you get 1 point for every year that one human being is alive on planet Earth. The simulation runs for 1000 years and begins in the year we know as 1500 A.D.In the game, just as in the real world, the survival of human beings depends on the people having access to food, water, shelter, safety and other essentials. When the game begins, you have a blank slate SimEarth planet with enormous untapped resources of fossil oil, fossil water, old-growth forests, abundant ocean life and incredible biodiversity on land and sea. The human population is relatively small, perhaps only a few million people.As the game progresses and the years tick by, you start earning more and more points by allowing the human population to multiply. At one point, you turn on the invention of the combustion engine coupled with the discovery of oil, and then things really begin to accelerate: Food production suddenly multiplies, making food resources incredibly cheap and abundant, leading to a population explosion.As the points keep racking up, you watch as your SimEarth world becomes increasingly taken over by humans. The old growth forests are cut down and replaced with farm lands and cattle ranches. The once-abundant populations of wild animals are replaced by concrete highways and housing developments. Fossil water supplies drop sharply and oil drilling rigs pump out a heavy portion of the planet's remaining oil resources.Your points are really accelerating now as you watch the human population blow past four billion people, then five, and then six. At that point, on-screen statistics begin to flash red, warning you that world's oil, water, food, soil and ocean health are all reaching critical levels of deficiency. Although you're earning big points from all the human activity, the environmental cost of supporting all those people is now threatening the ecological stability of the planetary ecosystem.It is at this point you realize that, to beat the high score, you need to keep your human population alive at some level for the next 500 years, and yet the planet's resources are running out, reaching depletion in just 50 years or less. What should you do?You decide to just watch and see what happens. With your eyes fixated on the screen, the years tick past. Twenty-five years further into the simulation, the oil runs out, thrusting your simulated societies into an energy crisis. Without cheap, plentiful oil, food production grinds to a halt. Mass starvation takes hold in just one year, leading to disease and the unleashing of a global pandemic. Over the next five years, the human population suffers a massive, catastrophic die-off, plummeting to less than a billion people. Your once-awesome score now looks pitiful: Human civilization crashed and you'll never win the simulation now. Game over.This is the outcome facing modern human civilization. .. and it's no game. The possibility is very real. Unless something drastic is done to find a balance between human consumption (which is directly tied to population) and the natural environment that supports us all, our population is going to crash, too. It is a simple matter of biology.

The population problem no one dares speak ofThere's no way around this sobering thought: Population is the problem. There are too many people consuming too much stuff. It cannot be sustained -- especially not at the very high rates of consumption our western world has grown used to.To solve this dilemma, you can either reduce the population over time (through one-child policies, for example) or reduce consumption (through a variety of means), but you've got to do something. In no way do I support the idea of a one-child policy, by the way. I don't support government intervention in our private lives, and I don't support governments mandating personal limits on our carbon consumption. But then again, if something radical doesn't change, it's fairly obvious that the human population is simply going to keep expanding until key resources are all dried up. And that, of course, will result in a devastating crash of the human population.So there you have it: The price for our expansionistic, high-consumption lifestyles today is eventually going to be the blowout of human civilization in the future, followed by a sharp population crash. The only thing that can really stop it is forced government population control, a global pandemic, or some other widespread disaster that kills off a huge percentage of the world population. None of these seem particularly desirable.Or, perhaps, the world could be saved with a sudden burst of global education that teaches people to think about the long-term consequences of their own actions, but I'm not betting on that happening anytime soon. Even really smart people in first-world nations still burn up oil and use up resources as if there were no consequences. Education alone cannot save human civilization from destroying itself. Smart people are not necessarily ecologically- aware people. In fact, you could argue that the most highly-educated people on the planet are precisely those who are consuming the greatest natural resources. (Poor, uneducated populations don't consume much for the simple reason that they cannot afford to.)There's no way around it: We are on a track headed straight for our own destruction. A planet-wide collapse is coming sometime this century.If you think I'm wrong, I'd like to hear from you. I hope I'm wrong, and I'm looking for a reasoned argument that can offer a solution to our population problem -- preferably without resorting to government-run population control initiatives or forced one-child policies. Seriously: How can the human species now save itself from its own destruction? Even free energy technologies aren't the answer, as they don't solve the problems of running out of fossil water, topsoil, natural habitat or rare earth metals used in industrial processes. Free energy will only cause the human population to explode even more rapidly, worsening the current problem of over-population.I challenge every person reading this to do the math. Run the numbers yourself. Look at the limited resources on our planet and compare them with the per-capita consumption facts associated with modern-day consumers. Then consider what happens when the population keeps expanding... and add to that the desire for poorer nations to "achieve" the consumption rates of first-world nations like the USA.If you do the math, you'll quickly see it doesn't add up. The projects all come to a screeching halt in the next hundred years (if not sooner). The population growth rates still under way lead to a literal dead end, given current rates of consumption.This may not be a popular topic to write about. Most people prefer to pretend this problem doesn't exist (much like the U.S. national debt). But it is, in reality, the single largest problem facing the future of human civilization: How do we find a way to live in balance with our natural environment while sustaining a steady population.. . without turning our world into a population control police state?I personally cannot think of any acceptable solution to this problem that does not involve some sort of massive population control measure... and that solution is, itself, unthinkable

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Here maybe a little one about energy. I know not everybody can do that as it depends a lot on climat and how your house is construct.

I'm living in a row house of 1930. At that time each house had mostly two wells for water. One for the rainwater, and one with groundwater. When we came living here in 1982 we installed a pump to have the possibilty to use the water of the wells. So the water of the rainwell is used to wash the clothes (which make that you use less soap as there is no calcium in it) and also for the toilet (no need for products here too)

With the groundwater its different, here I can only use it for the toilet as it is not clear enough, also to much iron in the water. That means that our waterbill is probably halved due to those two wells. For cooking and shower we use the normal water.

For drying clothes, I let the wind and the sun doing their job. (that also depends on your climat) When the clothes are dry they do smell wonderfull and no need for softeners and parfumed products.

Here about electricity, we do have the possibility to use two different quotes for electricity. We have day and nightprices. The nightprices are lower so we try to use dishwasher, washmachine .... between 10 pm till 7 am. In the weekend the electricity is at nightprice.

Rest of householding of food and garden go into the compost so each year I do have new earth for my garden too. Our garbage must be seperated here. We do have sacks for plastic and metal, paper must be hold apart too and then sacks for the other garbage. Each city has his own containerpark where you can go to put garbage of all kinds in different containers.

I don't know if your country has those possibilites too, as your country is so much bigger then our little country Belgium. That are all little ways to save energy or to use energy in a different way.

And now I'll start my new workday, wishing you all a nice weekend.

e :-)

From: Joyce Hudson <bjoyful@...> Sent: Sat, June 26, 2010 2:47:42 AMSubject: Re: [ ] Humans vs. the environment - A thought experiment

 I have to keep the appliances plugged in to make it easier for Dad. I have unplugged some things, like the washer and drier. Did you know that if a DVD player is plugged in, but never used, it will still go bad? I found that out a couple of years ago. Those kind of things, I do not keep plugged in, ever.

I purchased those bulbs, when they first came out, way before Al Gore started raving about them. I just don't think Al Gore is too knowledgeable. I think he's kind of gullible. None have broken yet. Thankfully. But when they finally wear out (none has yet and it's been over a year), I will place them in a container of some kind, and find out where to dispose of them.

One way to save the environment, is to conserve on water and filter all water that will be used internally. I spent about $l00. on my filtering system about 3 years ago. I love it. Also, when I do laundry, I wait until I have a full load. I never wash small loads, even though my washer has a small load setting.

Now, when the sun hits the west side of the house, I close my blinds. My room will get so hot, that the ac has to work even harder. There goes the electricity.

Well, maybe someone else has some ideas on how to save energy. :-) Thanks for sharing Michele. Love, Joy

[ ] Humans vs. the environment - A thought experiment Date: Thursday, June 24, 2010, 12:09 PM

How long have you been aware of this? For me, it's been a few years. Have I done anything about it? NOT Really!

Ok, so I try to cut back on driving the car. I run all of my errands at one time. But I haven't put my 3 wheel bicycle together, that could be used locally.

Have I cut back on electricity? Well, I don't unplug everything. I did switch to energy saving bulbs and I try to keep the electronics off, if I am not paying attention to them, like TVs. But to unplug everything, and only plug it in when we need it, is hard because of where the outlets are. Hmm. Will have to look into that.

Do I recycle. No, but our garbage pickup doesn't recycle. But I could separate the plastic, glass & paper from rest of the junk and take them to where ever they have drops.

Do I purchase because I want something or need it? Oh, It's needed or I won't buy it.

Do I collect rain for water plants? Well we do have one rainbarrel now and I am please with it, so we will be adding more of the same.

What other ways, can we as individuals do to help save? The first that we need to do, it make All aware of the critical need of saving our environment. It's going to be difficult. Americans are spoiled. They want life easy. They are impractical. Instead of driving an economical vehicle, if they can afford to, they will buy a gas hog. Even if they can't afford it, they will buy it for the status symbol. Americans are so busy, we don't look farther than our noses. It needs to change, as the article below points out. It's going to take effort on our parts. Blessings, Joy

http://www.naturaln ews.com/029056_ environmental_ protection_ population_ control.html

Humans vs. the environment - A thought experiment

(NaturalNews) Protecting the environment isn't a "liberal" idea; it's everybody's business. Liberal or conservative, Democrat or Republican, the environment provides life support for us all, and if we fail to recognize that, we are truly doomed as a civilization.To help explain this, I've put together a simple thought experiment. It begins with three undeniable truths about humans and the environment:Truth #1 - The Earth's resources are limited.This should be self-evidence, but some people still don't get it. The Earth's resources -- oil, forests, water, energy, and so on -- are finite. They do not exist in infinite quantities. If they did, they would obviously be larger than the Earth itself (and would, in fact, fill the universe). But they don't fill the universe. They are contained within the boundaries of planet Earth, and therefore they are limited.Of course, many

of Earth's resources can be either regenerated or recycled, but that only happens over time -- usually a long time. In the case of oil, it's hundreds of thousands of years. For fossil water it's much the same. The rate at which modern human civilization is using up these resources is orders of magnitude faster than the rate at which they can be naturally regenerated. This holds true for oil, water, topsoil, forests and more.Truth #2 - Each person living in modern civilization consumes some amount of the Earth's limited resources.This should also be self-evident: People consume resources. When you drive your car, you're obviously consuming limited natural resources. When you buy a car, you're consuming many other natural resources (all the elements that went into making a car), too. This is true even when you buy a solar panel.Every time you turn on a light switch, or open a

package of food, or swallow a piece of food, you are consuming some amount of the Earth's limited resources.The sum of your consumption is called your "ecological footprint," and your ecological footprint is much larger than the immediate space you might call your home. The things you consume in your home require the resources of a much larger area far outside your home.A human child born in America today, for example, will consume 45,000 pounds of metal in their lifetime (through the products they purchase). That's 45,000 pounds of metal that must be mined, processed, transported and manufactured into consumable products, and metal mining is a very dirty business, by the way, even if that metal goes into making clean energy devices such as wind turbines.Truth #3 - Humans are altering the environmentYou can't argue with this (although some people ridiculously try). Human activity is

altering our environment in a huge way, from the massive deforestation of the planet to the release of gases into the atmosphere. We've poisoned the rivers, destroyed natural habitat, polluted the oceans (Gulf of Mexico, anyone?) and altered the chemical composition of the atmosphere. These are undeniable scientific truths. No sane person can reasonably argue that human beings have not radically altered the environment of our planet over the last 200 years.If you visited North America 200 years ago, for example, you wouldn't even have recognized it as the same continent dominated by human beings today. A few hundred years ago, North America was teeming with life, with huge old-growth forests, pristine rivers and abundant plains. Today it is relatively dead, having been over-developed, over-paved and over-population to a point so extreme that our ancestors would largely consider it "dead".Truth #4 - Humans

really like to have babiesThis is also self-evidence: People like to procreate. Every family, it seems, wants children, and those children want their own children, too. In general, human beings want to procreate without limitation. This, of course, leads to an explosion in population growth. We've seen this explosion over the last two hundred years as the Earth's population has grown from less than one billion people in 1800 to nearly seven billion today.Human beings do not consider their impact on the global population when they procreate. The decision to have children is made privately, selfishly, without regard to the impact on the planet. One more child seems like no big deal from the point of view of a couple that wishes for another son or daughter, but multiplied by billions, these decisions to procreate en masse lead to overpopulation, which leads to over-consumption of the planet's limited

resources.

The Easter Island effectNow let's work our little thought experiment. Given the four simple truths described above, it is only a matter of time before the continued procreation of human beings collides with the reality of limited resources, causing a crisis of unsustainability.At some point, in other words, the continued expansion of human beings will destroy so much of the natural environment (and use so many natural resources) that there will not be enough resources available to support the continuation of the existing population.I call this the "Easter Island effect," in reference to the way in which the natives of Easter Island chopped down all their trees to build ever-larger monuments to themselves, and in doing so they destroyed their entire ecosystem and soon perished. The entire human civilization is now pulling an Easter Island on a global scale.

Our two choicesGiven that the unlimited expansion of the human population must inevitably use up key resources required to sustain human life, it stands to reason that there are only two choices for how we human beings can choose to deal with the situation:Choice #1 - We can acknowledge the ecological impact of human beings on our planet and make conscious choices to live within the bounds of sustainable balance with our planet (i.e. keeping our population size relatively stable by limiting runaway population growth, reducing our ecological footprint, respecting the natural environment that supports life on our planet, etc.).Choice #2 - We can continue our mindless population expansion and resource exploitation while ignoring any long-term consequences. This is the definition of stupidity, and yet it is precisely the path that modern human civilization is now choosing. It also seems

to be the chosen path of "anti-environmental ists" -- people who resist the idea that we need to protect the environment at all.Sadly, human civilization has decided to go with choice #2. I believe the future of modern civilization is now set. Population expansion and resource depletion will soon collide with the limitations of our planet and result in a cataclysmic collapse of our civilization. We human beings are pulling off the Easter Island scenario, but with more than just trees: We're doing it with oil, water, soil and habitat. We are destroying the only planet that can keep us alive, and there now appears to be no stopping this self-destructive tendency of the human species.I have personally seen no evidence that the current human species is capable of long-term, sustainable balance with any ecosystem. It lacks the intelligent foresight necessary to anticipate such outcomes and make adjustments well in advance of them

coming true. Some people among us even argue against environmental protection, not realizing they are essentially arguing for their own self-destruction.Other who are more thoughtful argue only against the fear of a world government enforcing environmental regulations at the expense of losing personal freedoms. This is a legitimate concern, and I happen to agree with these concerns. "Protecting the environment" can all too easily become a slippery mantra for world domination over individual freedom. The best way to avoid losing freedom while saving our environment is through education of the public that urges people to make better decisions without turning them into criminals if they fail to make those decisions.

Can humanity save itself?Saving human civilization from its own ignorance is no easy task. It will require intelligent, forward-thinking business leaders who see the long-term picture and who genuinely care about the future. Yet sadly, there is no such thing. Business leaders are, by definition, focused on the next fiscal quarter, not the next century. They will ALWAYS mortgage our collective future to increase their immediate profits.There is almost no such thing as a successful business person who is simultaneously an effective steward of our planet's natural resources. The simple act of generating more business -- in any business -- always results in more consumption because our entire economic system is based on consumption. It's even true about internet businesses, by the way. Every bit and byte you consume over the internet has an indirect environmental cost due to the electricity consumption of

the CPUs delivering that content to you as well as, more importantly, the enormous cooling demand in data centers that spend fortunes just cooling all the computers running there.The fact that our economic activity is fundamentally based on consumption rather than conservation demonstrates why humanity is doomed to destroy itself. After seeing the failure of so many environmental summits, I'm convinced of it. I don't see any possible way that human beings will suddenly gain the intelligence and foresight necessary to live in balance with our natural world. Not without a crisis to teach everybody a few lessons, anyway. But even the Gulf Coast disaster isn't fundamentally changing the way business leaders think about consumption. They think it's just an "oil problem" not a global problem with the business models that drive our world into a self-destructive cycle of mindless consumption.

What may be coming in the next few yearsWhen the population continues to expand and most of the world's resources are wiped out, the human population will plunge into a time of great darkness. The loss of life will be immense -- perhaps as much as a 90% reduction in the planetary population. Ecosystems will fail, crops will fail and civilization itself will be brought to its knees. It won't take much to crash the current global system. Once the power grid is down for as little as 5 days, there's almost no bringing civilization back -- at least not modern civilization as we know it.Once the population is drastically reduced, the natural environment will have a chance to recover. Plants and animals will re-populate areas once lost to high-density human populations. And once the abundance returns, humans will again have the abundance necessary to re-populate, too. Hopefully future generations of human beings will learn from our present

mistakes and not pursue the same path we did -- the path of endless consumption of the planet's resources to the point of destruction.On a long time scale, you will likely see human population rising, then crashing, then rising again from the ashes of a collapsed civilization. This is the ebb and flow of the future of life on Earth. You might even call it a "natural" cycle of human population expansion, then collapse, followed by expansion and yet more collapse. It's very similar to the way a virus invades a human body and multiplies until it kills the very host that once gave it life. In terms of big-picture behavior, humans are much like a virus on our planet.This cycle of destruction and rebirth could be balanced out, though, by a sufficiently intelligent species gifted with sufficient foresight to see what's coming and make early adjustments to avoid the population collapse. Our current human species, sadly, is not sufficiently

intelligent to do so.

The corporate greed machineI hadn't really accepted this outcome as reality until just recently. I've always maintained a more optimistic attitude, thinking that we could find innovative ways to reverse climate change, reduce consumption, educate people and invent new technologies to clean up the planetary messes we've made. But I can now see that we're up against corporate monsters that are relentlessly pushing for our collective destruction.They're destroying our seeds and genes (for profit, no less), our soils, rivers, oceans and lands. They're corrupting our minds with pro-business propaganda and our bodies with their chemicals poisons. And they absolutely will not stop until every last exploitable resource on the planet has been used up and sold to a consumer. When our world is dominated by Monsanto, DuPont, oil companies, pharmaceutical companies, weapons manufacturers, junk food giants and chemical

companies, there's not much hope for meaningful change that could set humanity on a new course of conservation and protection of life.Sadly, there is no stopping the great corporate greed machine. It will keep rolling forward, aiming for more growth, more consumption and more exploitation until the very last drop of oil is squeezed out of the tar sands and every last tree is slashed to make room for cattle ranching.A profit-based economic model cannot coexist with environmental protection because the two concepts are opposites. Big Business depends on endless growth, expansion, exploitation and consumption. But the environment can only be protected by consuming less. And that's not even in the vocabulary of today's business executives. The idea of consuming less is the antithesis of corporate profit and expansion.Have you ever seen a Coca-Cola ad that urged you to "drink less Coke"?That's why as long as

corporations rule our world (and make no mistake, they already do), there is no saving the environment. Ergo, there is no saving ourselves from a complete civilization blowout that will eventually see the near-destruction of our natural world... with the collapse of the human population to soon follow.

The thought experiment - SimEarthImagine you're playing a software game called SimEarth. (Such a game actually exists, I believe, but I'm not referring to any real game. This is a fictional exercise.)In this SimEarth game, you get 1 point for every year that one human being is alive on planet Earth. The simulation runs for 1000 years and begins in the year we know as 1500 A.D.In the game, just as in the real world, the survival of human beings depends on the people having access to food, water, shelter, safety and other essentials. When the game begins, you have a blank slate SimEarth planet with enormous untapped resources of fossil oil, fossil water, old-growth forests, abundant ocean life and incredible biodiversity on land and sea. The human population is relatively small, perhaps only a few million people.As the game progresses and the years tick by, you start earning more and more points

by allowing the human population to multiply. At one point, you turn on the invention of the combustion engine coupled with the discovery of oil, and then things really begin to accelerate: Food production suddenly multiplies, making food resources incredibly cheap and abundant, leading to a population explosion.As the points keep racking up, you watch as your SimEarth world becomes increasingly taken over by humans. The old growth forests are cut down and replaced with farm lands and cattle ranches. The once-abundant populations of wild animals are replaced by concrete highways and housing developments. Fossil water supplies drop sharply and oil drilling rigs pump out a heavy portion of the planet's remaining oil resources.Your points are really accelerating now as you watch the human population blow past four billion people, then five, and then six. At that point, on-screen statistics begin to flash red, warning you that world's oil,

water, food, soil and ocean health are all reaching critical levels of deficiency. Although you're earning big points from all the human activity, the environmental cost of supporting all those people is now threatening the ecological stability of the planetary ecosystem.It is at this point you realize that, to beat the high score, you need to keep your human population alive at some level for the next 500 years, and yet the planet's resources are running out, reaching depletion in just 50 years or less. What should you do?You decide to just watch and see what happens. With your eyes fixated on the screen, the years tick past. Twenty-five years further into the simulation, the oil runs out, thrusting your simulated societies into an energy crisis. Without cheap, plentiful oil, food production grinds to a halt. Mass starvation takes hold in just one year, leading to disease and the unleashing of a global pandemic. Over the next five

years, the human population suffers a massive, catastrophic die-off, plummeting to less than a billion people. Your once-awesome score now looks pitiful: Human civilization crashed and you'll never win the simulation now. Game over.This is the outcome facing modern human civilization. .. and it's no game. The possibility is very real. Unless something drastic is done to find a balance between human consumption (which is directly tied to population) and the natural environment that supports us all, our population is going to crash, too. It is a simple matter of biology.

The population problem no one dares speak ofThere's no way around this sobering thought: Population is the problem. There are too many people consuming too much stuff. It cannot be sustained -- especially not at the very high rates of consumption our western world has grown used to.To solve this dilemma, you can either reduce the population over time (through one-child policies, for example) or reduce consumption (through a variety of means), but you've got to do something. In no way do I support the idea of a one-child policy, by the way. I don't support government intervention in our private lives, and I don't support governments mandating personal limits on our carbon consumption. But then again, if something radical doesn't change, it's fairly obvious that the human population is simply going to keep expanding until key resources are all dried up. And that, of course, will result in a devastating

crash of the human population.So there you have it: The price for our expansionistic, high-consumption lifestyles today is eventually going to be the blowout of human civilization in the future, followed by a sharp population crash. The only thing that can really stop it is forced government population control, a global pandemic, or some other widespread disaster that kills off a huge percentage of the world population. None of these seem particularly desirable.Or, perhaps, the world could be saved with a sudden burst of global education that teaches people to think about the long-term consequences of their own actions, but I'm not betting on that happening anytime soon. Even really smart people in first-world nations still burn up oil and use up resources as if there were no consequences. Education alone cannot save human civilization from destroying itself. Smart people are not necessarily ecologically- aware people. In

fact, you could argue that the most highly-educated people on the planet are precisely those who are consuming the greatest natural resources. (Poor, uneducated populations don't consume much for the simple reason that they cannot afford to.)There's no way around it: We are on a track headed straight for our own destruction. A planet-wide collapse is coming sometime this century.If you think I'm wrong, I'd like to hear from you. I hope I'm wrong, and I'm looking for a reasoned argument that can offer a solution to our population problem -- preferably without resorting to government-run population control initiatives or forced one-child policies. Seriously: How can the human species now save itself from its own destruction? Even free energy technologies aren't the answer, as they don't solve the problems of running out of fossil water, topsoil, natural habitat or rare earth metals used in industrial processes. Free energy

will only cause the human population to explode even more rapidly, worsening the current problem of over-population.I challenge every person reading this to do the math. Run the numbers yourself. Look at the limited resources on our planet and compare them with the per-capita consumption facts associated with modern-day consumers. Then consider what happens when the population keeps expanding... and add to that the desire for poorer nations to "achieve" the consumption rates of first-world nations like the USA.If you do the math, you'll quickly see it doesn't add up. The projects all come to a screeching halt in the next hundred years (if not sooner). The population growth rates still under way lead to a literal dead end, given current rates of consumption.This may not be a popular topic to write about. Most people prefer to pretend this problem doesn't exist (much like the U.S. national debt). But it is, in reality, the

single largest problem facing the future of human civilization: How do we find a way to live in balance with our natural environment while sustaining a steady population.. . without turning our world into a population control police state?I personally cannot think of any acceptable solution to this problem that does not involve some sort of massive population control measure... and that solution is, itself, unthinkable

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Thank You e for sharing.

Yes, I used to hang my clothes out to dry. Loved it! I am thinking about stringing a rope across the back balcony. It would be difficult to carry wet clothes down 21 steps! Dangerous too. But you have given me a wonder idea! And it will help save energy and keep the house cooler in the summer time.

I used to have a deep well that hit an underground river. The water was pure and delicious. Wish I lived there now! What you did with the wells, is very creative!

I think the USA should be more like Belgium!

Blessings and Love, Joy

P.S. Have a wonderful day. I am headed to bed. It's 3 am. :-)

[ ] Humans vs. the environment - A thought experiment Date: Thursday, June 24, 2010, 12:09 PM

How long have you been aware of this? For me, it's been a few years. Have I done anything about it? NOT Really!

Ok, so I try to cut back on driving the car. I run all of my errands at one time. But I haven't put my 3 wheel bicycle together, that could be used locally.

Have I cut back on electricity? Well, I don't unplug everything. I did switch to energy saving bulbs and I try to keep the electronics off, if I am not paying attention to them, like TVs. But to unplug everything, and only plug it in when we need it, is hard because of where the outlets are. Hmm. Will have to look into that.

Do I recycle. No, but our garbage pickup doesn't recycle. But I could separate the plastic, glass & paper from rest of the junk and take them to where ever they have drops.

Do I purchase because I want something or need it? Oh, It's needed or I won't buy it.

Do I collect rain for water plants? Well we do have one rainbarrel now and I am please with it, so we will be adding more of the same.

What other ways, can we as individuals do to help save? The first that we need to do, it make All aware of the critical need of saving our environment. It's going to be difficult. Americans are spoiled. They want life easy. They are impractical. Instead of driving an economical vehicle, if they can afford to, they will buy a gas hog. Even if they can't afford it, they will buy it for the status symbol. Americans are so busy, we don't look farther than our noses. It needs to change, as the article below points out. It's going to take effort on our parts. Blessings, Joy

http://www.naturaln ews.com/029056_ environmental_ protection_ population_ control.html

Humans vs. the environment - A thought experiment

(NaturalNews) Protecting the environment isn't a "liberal" idea; it's everybody's business. Liberal or conservative, Democrat or Republican, the environment provides life support for us all, and if we fail to recognize that, we are truly doomed as a civilization.To help explain this, I've put together a simple thought experiment. It begins with three undeniable truths about humans and the environment:Truth #1 - The Earth's resources are limited.This should be self-evidence, but some people still don't get it. The Earth's resources -- oil, forests, water, energy, and so on -- are finite. They do not exist in infinite quantities. If they did, they would obviously be larger than the Earth itself (and would, in fact, fill the universe). But they don't fill the universe. They are contained within the boundaries of planet Earth, and therefore they are limited.Of course, many of Earth's resources can be either regenerated or recycled, but that only happens over time -- usually a long time. In the case of oil, it's hundreds of thousands of years. For fossil water it's much the same. The rate at which modern human civilization is using up these resources is orders of magnitude faster than the rate at which they can be naturally regenerated. This holds true for oil, water, topsoil, forests and more.Truth #2 - Each person living in modern civilization consumes some amount of the Earth's limited resources.This should also be self-evident: People consume resources. When you drive your car, you're obviously consuming limited natural resources. When you buy a car, you're consuming many other natural resources (all the elements that went into making a car), too. This is true even when you buy a solar panel.Every time you turn on a light switch, or open a package of food, or swallow a piece of food, you are consuming some amount of the Earth's limited resources.The sum of your consumption is called your "ecological footprint," and your ecological footprint is much larger than the immediate space you might call your home. The things you consume in your home require the resources of a much larger area far outside your home.A human child born in America today, for example, will consume 45,000 pounds of metal in their lifetime (through the products they purchase). That's 45,000 pounds of metal that must be mined, processed, transported and manufactured into consumable products, and metal mining is a very dirty business, by the way, even if that metal goes into making clean energy devices such as wind turbines.Truth #3 - Humans are altering the environmentYou can't argue with this (although some people ridiculously try). Human activity is altering our environment in a huge way, from the massive deforestation of the planet to the release of gases into the atmosphere. We've poisoned the rivers, destroyed natural habitat, polluted the oceans (Gulf of Mexico, anyone?) and altered the chemical composition of the atmosphere. These are undeniable scientific truths. No sane person can reasonably argue that human beings have not radically altered the environment of our planet over the last 200 years.If you visited North America 200 years ago, for example, you wouldn't even have recognized it as the same continent dominated by human beings today. A few hundred years ago, North America was teeming with life, with huge old-growth forests, pristine rivers and abundant plains. Today it is relatively dead, having been over-developed, over-paved and over-population to a point so extreme that our ancestors would largely consider it "dead".Truth #4 - Humans really like to have babiesThis is also self-evidence: People like to procreate. Every family, it seems, wants children, and those children want their own children, too. In general, human beings want to procreate without limitation. This, of course, leads to an explosion in population growth. We've seen this explosion over the last two hundred years as the Earth's population has grown from less than one billion people in 1800 to nearly seven billion today.Human beings do not consider their impact on the global population when they procreate. The decision to have children is made privately, selfishly, without regard to the impact on the planet. One more child seems like no big deal from the point of view of a couple that wishes for another son or daughter, but multiplied by billions, these decisions to procreate en masse lead to overpopulation, which leads to over-consumption of the planet's limited resources.

The Easter Island effectNow let's work our little thought experiment. Given the four simple truths described above, it is only a matter of time before the continued procreation of human beings collides with the reality of limited resources, causing a crisis of unsustainability.At some point, in other words, the continued expansion of human beings will destroy so much of the natural environment (and use so many natural resources) that there will not be enough resources available to support the continuation of the existing population.I call this the "Easter Island effect," in reference to the way in which the natives of Easter Island chopped down all their trees to build ever-larger monuments to themselves, and in doing so they destroyed their entire ecosystem and soon perished. The entire human civilization is now pulling an Easter Island on a global scale.

Our two choicesGiven that the unlimited expansion of the human population must inevitably use up key resources required to sustain human life, it stands to reason that there are only two choices for how we human beings can choose to deal with the situation:Choice #1 - We can acknowledge the ecological impact of human beings on our planet and make conscious choices to live within the bounds of sustainable balance with our planet (i.e. keeping our population size relatively stable by limiting runaway population growth, reducing our ecological footprint, respecting the natural environment that supports life on our planet, etc.).Choice #2 - We can continue our mindless population expansion and resource exploitation while ignoring any long-term consequences. This is the definition of stupidity, and yet it is precisely the path that modern human civilization is now choosing. It also seems to be the chosen path of "anti-environmental ists" -- people who resist the idea that we need to protect the environment at all.Sadly, human civilization has decided to go with choice #2. I believe the future of modern civilization is now set. Population expansion and resource depletion will soon collide with the limitations of our planet and result in a cataclysmic collapse of our civilization. We human beings are pulling off the Easter Island scenario, but with more than just trees: We're doing it with oil, water, soil and habitat. We are destroying the only planet that can keep us alive, and there now appears to be no stopping this self-destructive tendency of the human species.I have personally seen no evidence that the current human species is capable of long-term, sustainable balance with any ecosystem. It lacks the intelligent foresight necessary to anticipate such outcomes and make adjustments well in advance of them coming true. Some people among us even argue against environmental protection, not realizing they are essentially arguing for their own self-destruction.Other who are more thoughtful argue only against the fear of a world government enforcing environmental regulations at the expense of losing personal freedoms. This is a legitimate concern, and I happen to agree with these concerns. "Protecting the environment" can all too easily become a slippery mantra for world domination over individual freedom. The best way to avoid losing freedom while saving our environment is through education of the public that urges people to make better decisions without turning them into criminals if they fail to make those decisions.

Can humanity save itself?Saving human civilization from its own ignorance is no easy task. It will require intelligent, forward-thinking business leaders who see the long-term picture and who genuinely care about the future. Yet sadly, there is no such thing. Business leaders are, by definition, focused on the next fiscal quarter, not the next century. They will ALWAYS mortgage our collective future to increase their immediate profits.There is almost no such thing as a successful business person who is simultaneously an effective steward of our planet's natural resources. The simple act of generating more business -- in any business -- always results in more consumption because our entire economic system is based on consumption. It's even true about internet businesses, by the way. Every bit and byte you consume over the internet has an indirect environmental cost due to the electricity consumption of the CPUs delivering that content to you as well as, more importantly, the enormous cooling demand in data centers that spend fortunes just cooling all the computers running there.The fact that our economic activity is fundamentally based on consumption rather than conservation demonstrates why humanity is doomed to destroy itself. After seeing the failure of so many environmental summits, I'm convinced of it. I don't see any possible way that human beings will suddenly gain the intelligence and foresight necessary to live in balance with our natural world. Not without a crisis to teach everybody a few lessons, anyway. But even the Gulf Coast disaster isn't fundamentally changing the way business leaders think about consumption. They think it's just an "oil problem" not a global problem with the business models that drive our world into a self-destructive cycle of mindless consumption.

What may be coming in the next few yearsWhen the population continues to expand and most of the world's resources are wiped out, the human population will plunge into a time of great darkness. The loss of life will be immense -- perhaps as much as a 90% reduction in the planetary population. Ecosystems will fail, crops will fail and civilization itself will be brought to its knees. It won't take much to crash the current global system. Once the power grid is down for as little as 5 days, there's almost no bringing civilization back -- at least not modern civilization as we know it.Once the population is drastically reduced, the natural environment will have a chance to recover. Plants and animals will re-populate areas once lost to high-density human populations. And once the abundance returns, humans will again have the abundance necessary to re-populate, too. Hopefully future generations of human beings will learn from our present mistakes and not pursue the same path we did -- the path of endless consumption of the planet's resources to the point of destruction.On a long time scale, you will likely see human population rising, then crashing, then rising again from the ashes of a collapsed civilization. This is the ebb and flow of the future of life on Earth. You might even call it a "natural" cycle of human population expansion, then collapse, followed by expansion and yet more collapse. It's very similar to the way a virus invades a human body and multiplies until it kills the very host that once gave it life. In terms of big-picture behavior, humans are much like a virus on our planet.This cycle of destruction and rebirth could be balanced out, though, by a sufficiently intelligent species gifted with sufficient foresight to see what's coming and make early adjustments to avoid the population collapse. Our current human species, sadly, is not sufficiently intelligent to do so.

The corporate greed machineI hadn't really accepted this outcome as reality until just recently. I've always maintained a more optimistic attitude, thinking that we could find innovative ways to reverse climate change, reduce consumption, educate people and invent new technologies to clean up the planetary messes we've made. But I can now see that we're up against corporate monsters that are relentlessly pushing for our collective destruction.They're destroying our seeds and genes (for profit, no less), our soils, rivers, oceans and lands. They're corrupting our minds with pro-business propaganda and our bodies with their chemicals poisons. And they absolutely will not stop until every last exploitable resource on the planet has been used up and sold to a consumer. When our world is dominated by Monsanto, DuPont, oil companies, pharmaceutical companies, weapons manufacturers, junk food giants and chemical companies, there's not much hope for meaningful change that could set humanity on a new course of conservation and protection of life.Sadly, there is no stopping the great corporate greed machine. It will keep rolling forward, aiming for more growth, more consumption and more exploitation until the very last drop of oil is squeezed out of the tar sands and every last tree is slashed to make room for cattle ranching.A profit-based economic model cannot coexist with environmental protection because the two concepts are opposites. Big Business depends on endless growth, expansion, exploitation and consumption. But the environment can only be protected by consuming less. And that's not even in the vocabulary of today's business executives. The idea of consuming less is the antithesis of corporate profit and expansion.Have you ever seen a Coca-Cola ad that urged you to "drink less Coke"?That's why as long as corporations rule our world (and make no mistake, they already do), there is no saving the environment. Ergo, there is no saving ourselves from a complete civilization blowout that will eventually see the near-destruction of our natural world... with the collapse of the human population to soon follow.

The thought experiment - SimEarthImagine you're playing a software game called SimEarth. (Such a game actually exists, I believe, but I'm not referring to any real game. This is a fictional exercise.)In this SimEarth game, you get 1 point for every year that one human being is alive on planet Earth. The simulation runs for 1000 years and begins in the year we know as 1500 A.D.In the game, just as in the real world, the survival of human beings depends on the people having access to food, water, shelter, safety and other essentials. When the game begins, you have a blank slate SimEarth planet with enormous untapped resources of fossil oil, fossil water, old-growth forests, abundant ocean life and incredible biodiversity on land and sea. The human population is relatively small, perhaps only a few million people.As the game progresses and the years tick by, you start earning more and more points by allowing the human population to multiply. At one point, you turn on the invention of the combustion engine coupled with the discovery of oil, and then things really begin to accelerate: Food production suddenly multiplies, making food resources incredibly cheap and abundant, leading to a population explosion.As the points keep racking up, you watch as your SimEarth world becomes increasingly taken over by humans. The old growth forests are cut down and replaced with farm lands and cattle ranches. The once-abundant populations of wild animals are replaced by concrete highways and housing developments. Fossil water supplies drop sharply and oil drilling rigs pump out a heavy portion of the planet's remaining oil resources.Your points are really accelerating now as you watch the human population blow past four billion people, then five, and then six. At that point, on-screen statistics begin to flash red, warning you that world's oil, water, food, soil and ocean health are all reaching critical levels of deficiency. Although you're earning big points from all the human activity, the environmental cost of supporting all those people is now threatening the ecological stability of the planetary ecosystem.It is at this point you realize that, to beat the high score, you need to keep your human population alive at some level for the next 500 years, and yet the planet's resources are running out, reaching depletion in just 50 years or less. What should you do?You decide to just watch and see what happens. With your eyes fixated on the screen, the years tick past. Twenty-five years further into the simulation, the oil runs out, thrusting your simulated societies into an energy crisis. Without cheap, plentiful oil, food production grinds to a halt. Mass starvation takes hold in just one year, leading to disease and the unleashing of a global pandemic. Over the next five years, the human population suffers a massive, catastrophic die-off, plummeting to less than a billion people. Your once-awesome score now looks pitiful: Human civilization crashed and you'll never win the simulation now. Game over.This is the outcome facing modern human civilization. .. and it's no game. The possibility is very real. Unless something drastic is done to find a balance between human consumption (which is directly tied to population) and the natural environment that supports us all, our population is going to crash, too. It is a simple matter of biology.

The population problem no one dares speak ofThere's no way around this sobering thought: Population is the problem. There are too many people consuming too much stuff. It cannot be sustained -- especially not at the very high rates of consumption our western world has grown used to.To solve this dilemma, you can either reduce the population over time (through one-child policies, for example) or reduce consumption (through a variety of means), but you've got to do something. In no way do I support the idea of a one-child policy, by the way. I don't support government intervention in our private lives, and I don't support governments mandating personal limits on our carbon consumption. But then again, if something radical doesn't change, it's fairly obvious that the human population is simply going to keep expanding until key resources are all dried up. And that, of course, will result in a devastating crash of the human population.So there you have it: The price for our expansionistic, high-consumption lifestyles today is eventually going to be the blowout of human civilization in the future, followed by a sharp population crash. The only thing that can really stop it is forced government population control, a global pandemic, or some other widespread disaster that kills off a huge percentage of the world population. None of these seem particularly desirable.Or, perhaps, the world could be saved with a sudden burst of global education that teaches people to think about the long-term consequences of their own actions, but I'm not betting on that happening anytime soon. Even really smart people in first-world nations still burn up oil and use up resources as if there were no consequences. Education alone cannot save human civilization from destroying itself. Smart people are not necessarily ecologically- aware people. In fact, you could argue that the most highly-educated people on the planet are precisely those who are consuming the greatest natural resources. (Poor, uneducated populations don't consume much for the simple reason that they cannot afford to.)There's no way around it: We are on a track headed straight for our own destruction. A planet-wide collapse is coming sometime this century.If you think I'm wrong, I'd like to hear from you. I hope I'm wrong, and I'm looking for a reasoned argument that can offer a solution to our population problem -- preferably without resorting to government-run population control initiatives or forced one-child policies. Seriously: How can the human species now save itself from its own destruction? Even free energy technologies aren't the answer, as they don't solve the problems of running out of fossil water, topsoil, natural habitat or rare earth metals used in industrial processes. Free energy will only cause the human population to explode even more rapidly, worsening the current problem of over-population.I challenge every person reading this to do the math. Run the numbers yourself. Look at the limited resources on our planet and compare them with the per-capita consumption facts associated with modern-day consumers. Then consider what happens when the population keeps expanding... and add to that the desire for poorer nations to "achieve" the consumption rates of first-world nations like the USA.If you do the math, you'll quickly see it doesn't add up. The projects all come to a screeching halt in the next hundred years (if not sooner). The population growth rates still under way lead to a literal dead end, given current rates of consumption.This may not be a popular topic to write about. Most people prefer to pretend this problem doesn't exist (much like the U.S. national debt). But it is, in reality, the single largest problem facing the future of human civilization: How do we find a way to live in balance with our natural environment while sustaining a steady population.. . without turning our world into a population control police state?I personally cannot think of any acceptable solution to this problem that does not involve some sort of massive population control measure... and that solution is, itself, unthinkable

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Hi Joy and e,Another idea is hanging up your laundry to dry. I have done this in the past where I used to live in Brooklyn, NY. we had a clothes line that was very long, and would hang everything at once to dry. But here I need to set one up, that would save money and energy and not to mention the way the clothes smell so nice and all when drying outside. Another way in saving energy is saving your grey water, and using it for watering your garden, but that is something you really have to get your pipes in order for. In an event that you don't have electricity how will you get your pump to work? You need a hand pump or a generator, that is another investment to think about. I have a well.With solar you need many panels to run your appliances. I have

a fridge, washer/dryer, stove and portable dishwasher, tv's and computers. I do believe that each appliance may need a solar panel. That's a good start, buy one each year, that is IF we can get up the money to do so. Car pooling is another way to save money and gas. I do this with a friend of mine when we go to town together and do some shopping and go to Curves. We do everything we need in town together, it bonds our friendship, plus it saves us money too.Thanks e for your reply too. Ego does get in the way of learning and sharing. Some people don't realize this. Community gardens give you an opportunity to share, save money, and cooperate with your neighbors. To think that I can feed a family of 6 is amazing just in that little space I have. Too bad others don't realize this, they live to get up and go to work, come home and do it all over again. Living in their little cubicle and

feel sorry for themselves not knowing what they are missing.Gardening for me is my way of life. I enjoy it and feel that feeding my families that I love helps them too. They look forward in the summer time to my life's work. So do I. The garden brings such surprises too. I just love when my seeds come up again after the long winter, and volunteers spring up all over the place, that is a present from Mother herself, all the colors and fragrances she brings. I adore such surprises!Thanks Ladies for the talk on saving energy.Michele

From: Joyce Hudson <bjoyfuliglou (DOT) com>Subject: [ ] Humans vs. the environment - A thought experiment Date: Thursday, June 24, 2010, 12:09 PM

How long have you been aware of this? For me, it's been a few years. Have I done anything about it? NOT Really!

Ok, so I try to cut back on driving the car. I run all of my errands at one time. But I haven't put my 3 wheel bicycle together, that could be used locally.

Have I cut back on electricity? Well, I don't unplug everything. I did switch to energy saving bulbs and I try to keep the electronics off, if I am not paying attention to them, like TVs. But to unplug everything, and only plug it in when we need it, is hard because of where the outlets are. Hmm. Will have to look into that.

Do I recycle. No, but our garbage pickup doesn't recycle. But I could separate the plastic, glass & paper from rest of the junk and take them to where ever they have drops.

Do I purchase because I want something or need it? Oh, It's needed or I won't buy it.

Do I collect rain for water plants? Well we do have one rainbarrel now and I am please with it, so we will be adding more of the same.

What other ways, can we as individuals do to help save? The first that we need to do, it make All aware of the critical need of saving our environment. It's going to be difficult. Americans are spoiled. They want life easy. They are impractical. Instead of driving an economical vehicle, if they can afford to, they will buy a gas hog. Even if they can't afford it, they will buy it for the status symbol. Americans are so busy, we don't look farther than our noses. It needs to change, as the article below points out. It's going to take effort on our parts. Blessings, Joy

http://www.naturaln ews.com/029056_ environmental_ protection_ population_ control.html

Humans vs. the environment - A thought experiment

(NaturalNews) Protecting the environment isn't a "liberal" idea; it's everybody's business. Liberal or conservative, Democrat or Republican, the environment provides life support for us all, and if we fail to recognize that, we are truly doomed as a civilization.To help explain this, I've put together a simple thought experiment. It begins with three undeniable truths about humans and the environment:Truth #1 - The Earth's resources are limited.This should be self-evidence, but some people still don't get it. The Earth's resources -- oil, forests, water, energy, and so on -- are finite. They do not exist in infinite quantities. If they did, they would obviously be larger than the Earth itself (and would, in fact, fill the universe). But they don't fill the universe. They are contained within the boundaries of planet Earth, and therefore they are limited.Of course, many of Earth's resources can be either regenerated or recycled, but that only happens over time -- usually a long time. In the case of oil, it's hundreds of thousands of years. For fossil water it's much the same. The rate at which modern human civilization is using up these resources is orders of magnitude faster than the rate at which they can be naturally regenerated. This holds true for oil, water, topsoil, forests and more.Truth #2 - Each person living in modern civilization consumes some amount of the Earth's limited resources.This should also be self-evident: People consume resources. When you drive your car, you're obviously consuming limited natural resources. When you buy a car, you're consuming many other natural resources (all the elements that went into making a car), too. This is true even when you buy a solar panel.Every time you turn on a light switch, or open a package of food, or swallow a piece of food, you are consuming some amount of the Earth's limited resources.The sum of your consumption is called your "ecological footprint," and your ecological footprint is much larger than the immediate space you might call your home. The things you consume in your home require the resources of a much larger area far outside your home.A human child born in America today, for example, will consume 45,000 pounds of metal in their lifetime (through the products they purchase). That's 45,000 pounds of metal that must be mined, processed, transported and manufactured into consumable products, and metal mining is a very dirty business, by the way, even if that metal goes into making clean energy devices such as wind turbines.Truth #3 - Humans are altering the environmentYou can't argue with this (although some people ridiculously try). Human activity is altering our environment in a huge way, from the massive deforestation of the planet to the release of gases into the atmosphere. We've poisoned the rivers, destroyed natural habitat, polluted the oceans (Gulf of Mexico, anyone?) and altered the chemical composition of the atmosphere. These are undeniable scientific truths. No sane person can reasonably argue that human beings have not radically altered the environment of our planet over the last 200 years.If you visited North America 200 years ago, for example, you wouldn't even have recognized it as the same continent dominated by human beings today. A few hundred years ago, North America was teeming with life, with huge old-growth forests, pristine rivers and abundant plains. Today it is relatively dead, having been over-developed, over-paved and over-population to a point so extreme that our ancestors would largely consider it "dead".Truth #4 - Humans really like to have babiesThis is also self-evidence: People like to procreate. Every family, it seems, wants children, and those children want their own children, too. In general, human beings want to procreate without limitation. This, of course, leads to an explosion in population growth. We've seen this explosion over the last two hundred years as the Earth's population has grown from less than one billion people in 1800 to nearly seven billion today.Human beings do not consider their impact on the global population when they procreate. The decision to have children is made privately, selfishly, without regard to the impact on the planet. One more child seems like no big deal from the point of view of a couple that wishes for another son or daughter, but multiplied by billions, these decisions to procreate en masse lead to overpopulation, which leads to over-consumption of the planet's limited resources.

The Easter Island effectNow let's work our little thought experiment. Given the four simple truths described above, it is only a matter of time before the continued procreation of human beings collides with the reality of limited resources, causing a crisis of unsustainability.At some point, in other words, the continued expansion of human beings will destroy so much of the natural environment (and use so many natural resources) that there will not be enough resources available to support the continuation of the existing population.I call this the "Easter Island effect," in reference to the way in which the natives of Easter Island chopped down all their trees to build ever-larger monuments to themselves, and in doing so they destroyed their entire ecosystem and soon perished. The entire human civilization is now pulling an Easter Island on a global scale.

Our two choicesGiven that the unlimited expansion of the human population must inevitably use up key resources required to sustain human life, it stands to reason that there are only two choices for how we human beings can choose to deal with the situation:Choice #1 - We can acknowledge the ecological impact of human beings on our planet and make conscious choices to live within the bounds of sustainable balance with our planet (i.e. keeping our population size relatively stable by limiting runaway population growth, reducing our ecological footprint, respecting the natural environment that supports life on our planet, etc.).Choice #2 - We can continue our mindless population expansion and resource exploitation while ignoring any long-term consequences. This is the definition of stupidity, and yet it is precisely the path that modern human civilization is now choosing. It also seems to be the chosen path of "anti-environmental ists" -- people who resist the idea that we need to protect the environment at all.Sadly, human civilization has decided to go with choice #2. I believe the future of modern civilization is now set. Population expansion and resource depletion will soon collide with the limitations of our planet and result in a cataclysmic collapse of our civilization. We human beings are pulling off the Easter Island scenario, but with more than just trees: We're doing it with oil, water, soil and habitat. We are destroying the only planet that can keep us alive, and there now appears to be no stopping this self-destructive tendency of the human species.I have personally seen no evidence that the current human species is capable of long-term, sustainable balance with any ecosystem. It lacks the intelligent foresight necessary to anticipate such outcomes and make adjustments well in advance of them coming true. Some people among us even argue against environmental protection, not realizing they are essentially arguing for their own self-destruction.Other who are more thoughtful argue only against the fear of a world government enforcing environmental regulations at the expense of losing personal freedoms. This is a legitimate concern, and I happen to agree with these concerns. "Protecting the environment" can all too easily become a slippery mantra for world domination over individual freedom. The best way to avoid losing freedom while saving our environment is through education of the public that urges people to make better decisions without turning them into criminals if they fail to make those decisions.

Can humanity save itself?Saving human civilization from its own ignorance is no easy task. It will require intelligent, forward-thinking business leaders who see the long-term picture and who genuinely care about the future. Yet sadly, there is no such thing. Business leaders are, by definition, focused on the next fiscal quarter, not the next century. They will ALWAYS mortgage our collective future to increase their immediate profits.There is almost no such thing as a successful business person who is simultaneously an effective steward of our planet's natural resources. The simple act of generating more business -- in any business -- always results in more consumption because our entire economic system is based on consumption. It's even true about internet businesses, by the way. Every bit and byte you consume over the internet has an indirect environmental cost due to the electricity consumption of the CPUs delivering that content to you as well as, more importantly, the enormous cooling demand in data centers that spend fortunes just cooling all the computers running there.The fact that our economic activity is fundamentally based on consumption rather than conservation demonstrates why humanity is doomed to destroy itself. After seeing the failure of so many environmental summits, I'm convinced of it. I don't see any possible way that human beings will suddenly gain the intelligence and foresight necessary to live in balance with our natural world. Not without a crisis to teach everybody a few lessons, anyway. But even the Gulf Coast disaster isn't fundamentally changing the way business leaders think about consumption. They think it's just an "oil problem" not a global problem with the business models that drive our world into a self-destructive cycle of mindless consumption.

What may be coming in the next few yearsWhen the population continues to expand and most of the world's resources are wiped out, the human population will plunge into a time of great darkness. The loss of life will be immense -- perhaps as much as a 90% reduction in the planetary population. Ecosystems will fail, crops will fail and civilization itself will be brought to its knees. It won't take much to crash the current global system. Once the power grid is down for as little as 5 days, there's almost no bringing civilization back -- at least not modern civilization as we know it.Once the population is drastically reduced, the natural environment will have a chance to recover. Plants and animals will re-populate areas once lost to high-density human populations. And once the abundance returns, humans will again have the abundance necessary to re-populate, too. Hopefully future generations of human beings will learn from our present mistakes and not pursue the same path we did -- the path of endless consumption of the planet's resources to the point of destruction.On a long time scale, you will likely see human population rising, then crashing, then rising again from the ashes of a collapsed civilization. This is the ebb and flow of the future of life on Earth. You might even call it a "natural" cycle of human population expansion, then collapse, followed by expansion and yet more collapse. It's very similar to the way a virus invades a human body and multiplies until it kills the very host that once gave it life. In terms of big-picture behavior, humans are much like a virus on our planet.This cycle of destruction and rebirth could be balanced out, though, by a sufficiently intelligent species gifted with sufficient foresight to see what's coming and make early adjustments to avoid the population collapse. Our current human species, sadly, is not sufficiently intelligent to do so.

The corporate greed machineI hadn't really accepted this outcome as reality until just recently. I've always maintained a more optimistic attitude, thinking that we could find innovative ways to reverse climate change, reduce consumption, educate people and invent new technologies to clean up the planetary messes we've made. But I can now see that we're up against corporate monsters that are relentlessly pushing for our collective destruction.They're destroying our seeds and genes (for profit, no less), our soils, rivers, oceans and lands. They're corrupting our minds with pro-business propaganda and our bodies with their chemicals poisons. And they absolutely will not stop until every last exploitable resource on the planet has been used up and sold to a consumer. When our world is dominated by Monsanto, DuPont, oil companies, pharmaceutical companies, weapons manufacturers, junk food giants and chemical companies, there's not much hope for meaningful change that could set humanity on a new course of conservation and protection of life.Sadly, there is no stopping the great corporate greed machine. It will keep rolling forward, aiming for more growth, more consumption and more exploitation until the very last drop of oil is squeezed out of the tar sands and every last tree is slashed to make room for cattle ranching.A profit-based economic model cannot coexist with environmental protection because the two concepts are opposites. Big Business depends on endless growth, expansion, exploitation and consumption. But the environment can only be protected by consuming less. And that's not even in the vocabulary of today's business executives. The idea of consuming less is the antithesis of corporate profit and expansion.Have you ever seen a Coca-Cola ad that urged you to "drink less Coke"?That's why as long as corporations rule our world (and make no mistake, they already do), there is no saving the environment. Ergo, there is no saving ourselves from a complete civilization blowout that will eventually see the near-destruction of our natural world... with the collapse of the human population to soon follow.

The thought experiment - SimEarthImagine you're playing a software game called SimEarth. (Such a game actually exists, I believe, but I'm not referring to any real game. This is a fictional exercise.)In this SimEarth game, you get 1 point for every year that one human being is alive on planet Earth. The simulation runs for 1000 years and begins in the year we know as 1500 A.D.In the game, just as in the real world, the survival of human beings depends on the people having access to food, water, shelter, safety and other essentials. When the game begins, you have a blank slate SimEarth planet with enormous untapped resources of fossil oil, fossil water, old-growth forests, abundant ocean life and incredible biodiversity on land and sea. The human population is relatively small, perhaps only a few million people.As the game progresses and the years tick by, you start earning more and more points by allowing the human population to multiply. At one point, you turn on the invention of the combustion engine coupled with the discovery of oil, and then things really begin to accelerate: Food production suddenly multiplies, making food resources incredibly cheap and abundant, leading to a population explosion.As the points keep racking up, you watch as your SimEarth world becomes increasingly taken over by humans. The old growth forests are cut down and replaced with farm lands and cattle ranches. The once-abundant populations of wild animals are replaced by concrete highways and housing developments. Fossil water supplies drop sharply and oil drilling rigs pump out a heavy portion of the planet's remaining oil resources.Your points are really accelerating now as you watch the human population blow past four billion people, then five, and then six. At that point, on-screen statistics begin to flash red, warning you that world's oil, water, food, soil and ocean health are all reaching critical levels of deficiency. Although you're earning big points from all the human activity, the environmental cost of supporting all those people is now threatening the ecological stability of the planetary ecosystem.It is at this point you realize that, to beat the high score, you need to keep your human population alive at some level for the next 500 years, and yet the planet's resources are running out, reaching depletion in just 50 years or less. What should you do?You decide to just watch and see what happens. With your eyes fixated on the screen, the years tick past. Twenty-five years further into the simulation, the oil runs out, thrusting your simulated societies into an energy crisis. Without cheap, plentiful oil, food production grinds to a halt. Mass starvation takes hold in just one year, leading to disease and the unleashing of a global pandemic. Over the next five years, the human population suffers a massive, catastrophic die-off, plummeting to less than a billion people. Your once-awesome score now looks pitiful: Human civilization crashed and you'll never win the simulation now. Game over.This is the outcome facing modern human civilization. .. and it's no game. The possibility is very real. Unless something drastic is done to find a balance between human consumption (which is directly tied to population) and the natural environment that supports us all, our population is going to crash, too. It is a simple matter of biology.

The population problem no one dares speak ofThere's no way around this sobering thought: Population is the problem. There are too many people consuming too much stuff. It cannot be sustained -- especially not at the very high rates of consumption our western world has grown used to.To solve this dilemma, you can either reduce the population over time (through one-child policies, for example) or reduce consumption (through a variety of means), but you've got to do something. In no way do I support the idea of a one-child policy, by the way. I don't support government intervention in our private lives, and I don't support governments mandating personal limits on our carbon consumption. But then again, if something radical doesn't change, it's fairly obvious that the human population is simply going to keep expanding until key resources are all dried up. And that, of course, will result in a devastating crash of the human population.So there you have it: The price for our expansionistic, high-consumption lifestyles today is eventually going to be the blowout of human civilization in the future, followed by a sharp population crash. The only thing that can really stop it is forced government population control, a global pandemic, or some other widespread disaster that kills off a huge percentage of the world population. None of these seem particularly desirable.Or, perhaps, the world could be saved with a sudden burst of global education that teaches people to think about the long-term consequences of their own actions, but I'm not betting on that happening anytime soon. Even really smart people in first-world nations still burn up oil and use up resources as if there were no consequences. Education alone cannot save human civilization from destroying itself. Smart people are not necessarily ecologically- aware people. In fact, you could argue that the most highly-educated people on the planet are precisely those who are consuming the greatest natural resources. (Poor, uneducated populations don't consume much for the simple reason that they cannot afford to.)There's no way around it: We are on a track headed straight for our own destruction. A planet-wide collapse is coming sometime this century.If you think I'm wrong, I'd like to hear from you. I hope I'm wrong, and I'm looking for a reasoned argument that can offer a solution to our population problem -- preferably without resorting to government-run population control initiatives or forced one-child policies. Seriously: How can the human species now save itself from its own destruction? Even free energy technologies aren't the answer, as they don't solve the problems of running out of fossil water, topsoil, natural habitat or rare earth metals used in industrial processes. Free energy will only cause the human population to explode even more rapidly, worsening the current problem of over-population.I challenge every person reading this to do the math. Run the numbers yourself. Look at the limited resources on our planet and compare them with the per-capita consumption facts associated with modern-day consumers. Then consider what happens when the population keeps expanding... and add to that the desire for poorer nations to "achieve" the consumption rates of first-world nations like the USA.If you do the math, you'll quickly see it doesn't add up. The projects all come to a screeching halt in the next hundred years (if not sooner). The population growth rates still under way lead to a literal dead end, given current rates of consumption.This may not be a popular topic to write about. Most people prefer to pretend this problem doesn't exist (much like the U.S. national debt). But it is, in reality, the single largest problem facing the future of human civilization: How do we find a way to live in balance with our natural environment while sustaining a steady population.. . without turning our world into a population control police state?I personally cannot think of any acceptable solution to this problem that does not involve some sort of massive population control measure... and that solution is, itself, unthinkable

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I hadn't read your both replies yet and you are now speaking about drying clothes outside too. Yes, the drier cost a whole lot of money to work. We have to set up poles in the yard and secure it so it doesn't topple down. Another thing for us to work on.In the USA we don't get special pricing for electricity day/night use. Too bad for that. I even am on this program called "blue sky" with pacific power and it cost me more money just so that we use hydro/wind for electric instead of conventional methods. Go figure, they try to get as much money out of us as they possible can. My electric bill in the winter time is about $163 a month and I don't use electric for heating much, we have a wood stove. In the summer on average its about $123. sometimes goes down a bit too. We pay plenty for electricity. My parents are

on a payment plan because they can not afford any other way, they live in an apartment in the city and have electric for heat. They live in my state, Oregon.Joy, you can get one of those wooden hangers to dry clothes, you know those old fashioned one that open up that have room to hang each item, forgot what they call them. I have one on my porch I use to hang towels on or delicate things.Talk to ya later, Michele

From: Joyce Hudson <bjoyfuliglou (DOT) com>Subject: [ ] Humans vs. the environment - A thought experiment Date: Thursday, June 24, 2010, 12:09 PM

How long have you been aware of this? For me, it's been a few years. Have I done anything about it? NOT Really!

Ok, so I try to cut back on driving the car. I run all of my errands at one time. But I haven't put my 3 wheel bicycle together, that could be used locally.

Have I cut back on electricity? Well, I don't unplug everything. I did switch to energy saving bulbs and I try to keep the electronics off, if I am not paying attention to them, like TVs. But to unplug everything, and only plug it in when we need it, is hard because of where the outlets are. Hmm. Will have to look into that.

Do I recycle. No, but our garbage pickup doesn't recycle. But I could separate the plastic, glass & paper from rest of the junk and take them to where ever they have drops.

Do I purchase because I want something or need it? Oh, It's needed or I won't buy it.

Do I collect rain for water plants? Well we do have one rainbarrel now and I am please with it, so we will be adding more of the same.

What other ways, can we as individuals do to help save? The first that we need to do, it make All aware of the critical need of saving our environment. It's going to be difficult. Americans are spoiled. They want life easy. They are impractical. Instead of driving an economical vehicle, if they can afford to, they will buy a gas hog. Even if they can't afford it, they will buy it for the status symbol. Americans are so busy, we don't look farther than our noses. It needs to change, as the article below points out. It's going to take effort on our parts. Blessings, Joy

http://www.naturaln ews.com/029056_ environmental_ protection_ population_ control.html

Humans vs. the environment - A thought experiment

(NaturalNews) Protecting the environment isn't a "liberal" idea; it's everybody's business. Liberal or conservative, Democrat or Republican, the environment provides life support for us all, and if we fail to recognize that, we are truly doomed as a civilization.To help explain this, I've put together a simple thought experiment. It begins with three undeniable truths about humans and the environment:Truth #1 - The Earth's resources are limited.This should be self-evidence, but some people still don't get it. The Earth's resources -- oil, forests, water, energy, and so on -- are finite. They do not exist in infinite quantities. If they did, they would obviously be larger than the Earth itself (and would, in fact, fill the universe). But they don't fill the universe. They are contained within the boundaries of planet Earth, and therefore they are limited.Of course, many of Earth's resources can be either regenerated or recycled, but that only happens over time -- usually a long time. In the case of oil, it's hundreds of thousands of years. For fossil water it's much the same. The rate at which modern human civilization is using up these resources is orders of magnitude faster than the rate at which they can be naturally regenerated. This holds true for oil, water, topsoil, forests and more.Truth #2 - Each person living in modern civilization consumes some amount of the Earth's limited resources.This should also be self-evident: People consume resources. When you drive your car, you're obviously consuming limited natural resources. When you buy a car, you're consuming many other natural resources (all the elements that went into making a car), too. This is true even when you buy a solar panel.Every time you turn on a light switch, or open a package of food, or swallow a piece of food, you are consuming some amount of the Earth's limited resources.The sum of your consumption is called your "ecological footprint," and your ecological footprint is much larger than the immediate space you might call your home. The things you consume in your home require the resources of a much larger area far outside your home.A human child born in America today, for example, will consume 45,000 pounds of metal in their lifetime (through the products they purchase). That's 45,000 pounds of metal that must be mined, processed, transported and manufactured into consumable products, and metal mining is a very dirty business, by the way, even if that metal goes into making clean energy devices such as wind turbines.Truth #3 - Humans are altering the environmentYou can't argue with this (although some people ridiculously try). Human activity is altering our environment in a huge way, from the massive deforestation of the planet to the release of gases into the atmosphere. We've poisoned the rivers, destroyed natural habitat, polluted the oceans (Gulf of Mexico, anyone?) and altered the chemical composition of the atmosphere. These are undeniable scientific truths. No sane person can reasonably argue that human beings have not radically altered the environment of our planet over the last 200 years.If you visited North America 200 years ago, for example, you wouldn't even have recognized it as the same continent dominated by human beings today. A few hundred years ago, North America was teeming with life, with huge old-growth forests, pristine rivers and abundant plains. Today it is relatively dead, having been over-developed, over-paved and over-population to a point so extreme that our ancestors would largely consider it "dead".Truth #4 - Humans really like to have babiesThis is also self-evidence: People like to procreate. Every family, it seems, wants children, and those children want their own children, too. In general, human beings want to procreate without limitation. This, of course, leads to an explosion in population growth. We've seen this explosion over the last two hundred years as the Earth's population has grown from less than one billion people in 1800 to nearly seven billion today.Human beings do not consider their impact on the global population when they procreate. The decision to have children is made privately, selfishly, without regard to the impact on the planet. One more child seems like no big deal from the point of view of a couple that wishes for another son or daughter, but multiplied by billions, these decisions to procreate en masse lead to overpopulation, which leads to over-consumption of the planet's limited resources.

The Easter Island effectNow let's work our little thought experiment. Given the four simple truths described above, it is only a matter of time before the continued procreation of human beings collides with the reality of limited resources, causing a crisis of unsustainability.At some point, in other words, the continued expansion of human beings will destroy so much of the natural environment (and use so many natural resources) that there will not be enough resources available to support the continuation of the existing population.I call this the "Easter Island effect," in reference to the way in which the natives of Easter Island chopped down all their trees to build ever-larger monuments to themselves, and in doing so they destroyed their entire ecosystem and soon perished. The entire human civilization is now pulling an Easter Island on a global scale.

Our two choicesGiven that the unlimited expansion of the human population must inevitably use up key resources required to sustain human life, it stands to reason that there are only two choices for how we human beings can choose to deal with the situation:Choice #1 - We can acknowledge the ecological impact of human beings on our planet and make conscious choices to live within the bounds of sustainable balance with our planet (i.e. keeping our population size relatively stable by limiting runaway population growth, reducing our ecological footprint, respecting the natural environment that supports life on our planet, etc.).Choice #2 - We can continue our mindless population expansion and resource exploitation while ignoring any long-term consequences. This is the definition of stupidity, and yet it is precisely the path that modern human civilization is now choosing. It also seems to be the chosen path of "anti-environmental ists" -- people who resist the idea that we need to protect the environment at all.Sadly, human civilization has decided to go with choice #2. I believe the future of modern civilization is now set. Population expansion and resource depletion will soon collide with the limitations of our planet and result in a cataclysmic collapse of our civilization. We human beings are pulling off the Easter Island scenario, but with more than just trees: We're doing it with oil, water, soil and habitat. We are destroying the only planet that can keep us alive, and there now appears to be no stopping this self-destructive tendency of the human species.I have personally seen no evidence that the current human species is capable of long-term, sustainable balance with any ecosystem. It lacks the intelligent foresight necessary to anticipate such outcomes and make adjustments well in advance of them coming true. Some people among us even argue against environmental protection, not realizing they are essentially arguing for their own self-destruction.Other who are more thoughtful argue only against the fear of a world government enforcing environmental regulations at the expense of losing personal freedoms. This is a legitimate concern, and I happen to agree with these concerns. "Protecting the environment" can all too easily become a slippery mantra for world domination over individual freedom. The best way to avoid losing freedom while saving our environment is through education of the public that urges people to make better decisions without turning them into criminals if they fail to make those decisions.

Can humanity save itself?Saving human civilization from its own ignorance is no easy task. It will require intelligent, forward-thinking business leaders who see the long-term picture and who genuinely care about the future. Yet sadly, there is no such thing. Business leaders are, by definition, focused on the next fiscal quarter, not the next century. They will ALWAYS mortgage our collective future to increase their immediate profits.There is almost no such thing as a successful business person who is simultaneously an effective steward of our planet's natural resources. The simple act of generating more business -- in any business -- always results in more consumption because our entire economic system is based on consumption. It's even true about internet businesses, by the way. Every bit and byte you consume over the internet has an indirect environmental cost due to the electricity consumption of the CPUs delivering that content to you as well as, more importantly, the enormous cooling demand in data centers that spend fortunes just cooling all the computers running there.The fact that our economic activity is fundamentally based on consumption rather than conservation demonstrates why humanity is doomed to destroy itself. After seeing the failure of so many environmental summits, I'm convinced of it. I don't see any possible way that human beings will suddenly gain the intelligence and foresight necessary to live in balance with our natural world. Not without a crisis to teach everybody a few lessons, anyway. But even the Gulf Coast disaster isn't fundamentally changing the way business leaders think about consumption. They think it's just an "oil problem" not a global problem with the business models that drive our world into a self-destructive cycle of mindless consumption.

What may be coming in the next few yearsWhen the population continues to expand and most of the world's resources are wiped out, the human population will plunge into a time of great darkness. The loss of life will be immense -- perhaps as much as a 90% reduction in the planetary population. Ecosystems will fail, crops will fail and civilization itself will be brought to its knees. It won't take much to crash the current global system. Once the power grid is down for as little as 5 days, there's almost no bringing civilization back -- at least not modern civilization as we know it.Once the population is drastically reduced, the natural environment will have a chance to recover. Plants and animals will re-populate areas once lost to high-density human populations. And once the abundance returns, humans will again have the abundance necessary to re-populate, too. Hopefully future generations of human beings will learn from our present mistakes and not pursue the same path we did -- the path of endless consumption of the planet's resources to the point of destruction.On a long time scale, you will likely see human population rising, then crashing, then rising again from the ashes of a collapsed civilization. This is the ebb and flow of the future of life on Earth. You might even call it a "natural" cycle of human population expansion, then collapse, followed by expansion and yet more collapse. It's very similar to the way a virus invades a human body and multiplies until it kills the very host that once gave it life. In terms of big-picture behavior, humans are much like a virus on our planet.This cycle of destruction and rebirth could be balanced out, though, by a sufficiently intelligent species gifted with sufficient foresight to see what's coming and make early adjustments to avoid the population collapse. Our current human species, sadly, is not sufficiently intelligent to do so.

The corporate greed machineI hadn't really accepted this outcome as reality until just recently. I've always maintained a more optimistic attitude, thinking that we could find innovative ways to reverse climate change, reduce consumption, educate people and invent new technologies to clean up the planetary messes we've made. But I can now see that we're up against corporate monsters that are relentlessly pushing for our collective destruction.They're destroying our seeds and genes (for profit, no less), our soils, rivers, oceans and lands. They're corrupting our minds with pro-business propaganda and our bodies with their chemicals poisons. And they absolutely will not stop until every last exploitable resource on the planet has been used up and sold to a consumer. When our world is dominated by Monsanto, DuPont, oil companies, pharmaceutical companies, weapons manufacturers, junk food giants and chemical companies, there's not much hope for meaningful change that could set humanity on a new course of conservation and protection of life.Sadly, there is no stopping the great corporate greed machine. It will keep rolling forward, aiming for more growth, more consumption and more exploitation until the very last drop of oil is squeezed out of the tar sands and every last tree is slashed to make room for cattle ranching.A profit-based economic model cannot coexist with environmental protection because the two concepts are opposites. Big Business depends on endless growth, expansion, exploitation and consumption. But the environment can only be protected by consuming less. And that's not even in the vocabulary of today's business executives. The idea of consuming less is the antithesis of corporate profit and expansion.Have you ever seen a Coca-Cola ad that urged you to "drink less Coke"?That's why as long as corporations rule our world (and make no mistake, they already do), there is no saving the environment. Ergo, there is no saving ourselves from a complete civilization blowout that will eventually see the near-destruction of our natural world... with the collapse of the human population to soon follow.

The thought experiment - SimEarthImagine you're playing a software game called SimEarth. (Such a game actually exists, I believe, but I'm not referring to any real game. This is a fictional exercise.)In this SimEarth game, you get 1 point for every year that one human being is alive on planet Earth. The simulation runs for 1000 years and begins in the year we know as 1500 A.D.In the game, just as in the real world, the survival of human beings depends on the people having access to food, water, shelter, safety and other essentials. When the game begins, you have a blank slate SimEarth planet with enormous untapped resources of fossil oil, fossil water, old-growth forests, abundant ocean life and incredible biodiversity on land and sea. The human population is relatively small, perhaps only a few million people.As the game progresses and the years tick by, you start earning more and more points by allowing the human population to multiply. At one point, you turn on the invention of the combustion engine coupled with the discovery of oil, and then things really begin to accelerate: Food production suddenly multiplies, making food resources incredibly cheap and abundant, leading to a population explosion.As the points keep racking up, you watch as your SimEarth world becomes increasingly taken over by humans. The old growth forests are cut down and replaced with farm lands and cattle ranches. The once-abundant populations of wild animals are replaced by concrete highways and housing developments. Fossil water supplies drop sharply and oil drilling rigs pump out a heavy portion of the planet's remaining oil resources.Your points are really accelerating now as you watch the human population blow past four billion people, then five, and then six. At that point, on-screen statistics begin to flash red, warning you that world's oil, water, food, soil and ocean health are all reaching critical levels of deficiency. Although you're earning big points from all the human activity, the environmental cost of supporting all those people is now threatening the ecological stability of the planetary ecosystem.It is at this point you realize that, to beat the high score, you need to keep your human population alive at some level for the next 500 years, and yet the planet's resources are running out, reaching depletion in just 50 years or less. What should you do?You decide to just watch and see what happens. With your eyes fixated on the screen, the years tick past. Twenty-five years further into the simulation, the oil runs out, thrusting your simulated societies into an energy crisis. Without cheap, plentiful oil, food production grinds to a halt. Mass starvation takes hold in just one year, leading to disease and the unleashing of a global pandemic. Over the next five years, the human population suffers a massive, catastrophic die-off, plummeting to less than a billion people. Your once-awesome score now looks pitiful: Human civilization crashed and you'll never win the simulation now. Game over.This is the outcome facing modern human civilization. .. and it's no game. The possibility is very real. Unless something drastic is done to find a balance between human consumption (which is directly tied to population) and the natural environment that supports us all, our population is going to crash, too. It is a simple matter of biology.

The population problem no one dares speak ofThere's no way around this sobering thought: Population is the problem. There are too many people consuming too much stuff. It cannot be sustained -- especially not at the very high rates of consumption our western world has grown used to.To solve this dilemma, you can either reduce the population over time (through one-child policies, for example) or reduce consumption (through a variety of means), but you've got to do something. In no way do I support the idea of a one-child policy, by the way. I don't support government intervention in our private lives, and I don't support governments mandating personal limits on our carbon consumption. But then again, if something radical doesn't change, it's fairly obvious that the human population is simply going to keep expanding until key resources are all dried up. And that, of course, will result in a devastating crash of the human population.So there you have it: The price for our expansionistic, high-consumption lifestyles today is eventually going to be the blowout of human civilization in the future, followed by a sharp population crash. The only thing that can really stop it is forced government population control, a global pandemic, or some other widespread disaster that kills off a huge percentage of the world population. None of these seem particularly desirable.Or, perhaps, the world could be saved with a sudden burst of global education that teaches people to think about the long-term consequences of their own actions, but I'm not betting on that happening anytime soon. Even really smart people in first-world nations still burn up oil and use up resources as if there were no consequences. Education alone cannot save human civilization from destroying itself. Smart people are not necessarily ecologically- aware people. In fact, you could argue that the most highly-educated people on the planet are precisely those who are consuming the greatest natural resources. (Poor, uneducated populations don't consume much for the simple reason that they cannot afford to.)There's no way around it: We are on a track headed straight for our own destruction. A planet-wide collapse is coming sometime this century.If you think I'm wrong, I'd like to hear from you. I hope I'm wrong, and I'm looking for a reasoned argument that can offer a solution to our population problem -- preferably without resorting to government-run population control initiatives or forced one-child policies. Seriously: How can the human species now save itself from its own destruction? Even free energy technologies aren't the answer, as they don't solve the problems of running out of fossil water, topsoil, natural habitat or rare earth metals used in industrial processes. Free energy will only cause the human population to explode even more rapidly, worsening the current problem of over-population.I challenge every person reading this to do the math. Run the numbers yourself. Look at the limited resources on our planet and compare them with the per-capita consumption facts associated with modern-day consumers. Then consider what happens when the population keeps expanding... and add to that the desire for poorer nations to "achieve" the consumption rates of first-world nations like the USA.If you do the math, you'll quickly see it doesn't add up. The projects all come to a screeching halt in the next hundred years (if not sooner). The population growth rates still under way lead to a literal dead end, given current rates of consumption.This may not be a popular topic to write about. Most people prefer to pretend this problem doesn't exist (much like the U.S. national debt). But it is, in reality, the single largest problem facing the future of human civilization: How do we find a way to live in balance with our natural environment while sustaining a steady population.. . without turning our world into a population control police state?I personally cannot think of any acceptable solution to this problem that does not involve some sort of massive population control measure... and that solution is, itself, unthinkable

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Well, I do hang clothing on plastic coat hangers to dry. I use the shower rod, though. If I hang a clothes line between the support beams on the back porch, then I could use clothes hangers there, too. The back balcony is full with my house plants. And soon, there will be 6 patio garden containers out there, for the vegetables I want to grow, that aren't doing well in the garden. It's way too hot. The back balcony has an awning over it, so that the plants only get sun light till about noon. I put my flowers out there that I started from seeds, as soon as it was warm, and they did wonderfully. My container of violas is beautiful. I lucked out in having a good mix of colors.

Clothes racks or plastic hangers are great for drying the clothes, because they are thicker than a clothes line and there's less chance of creases. I used to have 2 3-tier wooden clothes racks. Maybe I can use one of those for towels. :-) Thanks Michele for the reminder.

Love, Joy

[ ] Humans vs. the environment - A thought experiment Date: Thursday, June 24, 2010, 12:09 PM

How long have you been aware of this? For me, it's been a few years. Have I done anything about it? NOT Really!

Ok, so I try to cut back on driving the car. I run all of my errands at one time. But I haven't put my 3 wheel bicycle together, that could be used locally.

Have I cut back on electricity? Well, I don't unplug everything. I did switch to energy saving bulbs and I try to keep the electronics off, if I am not paying attention to them, like TVs. But to unplug everything, and only plug it in when we need it, is hard because of where the outlets are. Hmm. Will have to look into that.

Do I recycle. No, but our garbage pickup doesn't recycle. But I could separate the plastic, glass & paper from rest of the junk and take them to where ever they have drops.

Do I purchase because I want something or need it? Oh, It's needed or I won't buy it.

Do I collect rain for water plants? Well we do have one rainbarrel now and I am please with it, so we will be adding more of the same.

What other ways, can we as individuals do to help save? The first that we need to do, it make All aware of the critical need of saving our environment. It's going to be difficult. Americans are spoiled. They want life easy. They are impractical. Instead of driving an economical vehicle, if they can afford to, they will buy a gas hog. Even if they can't afford it, they will buy it for the status symbol. Americans are so busy, we don't look farther than our noses. It needs to change, as the article below points out. It's going to take effort on our parts. Blessings, Joy

http://www.naturaln ews.com/029056_ environmental_ protection_ population_ control.html

Humans vs. the environment - A thought experiment

(NaturalNews) Protecting the environment isn't a "liberal" idea; it's everybody's business. Liberal or conservative, Democrat or Republican, the environment provides life support for us all, and if we fail to recognize that, we are truly doomed as a civilization.To help explain this, I've put together a simple thought experiment. It begins with three undeniable truths about humans and the environment:Truth #1 - The Earth's resources are limited.This should be self-evidence, but some people still don't get it. The Earth's resources -- oil, forests, water, energy, and so on -- are finite. They do not exist in infinite quantities. If they did, they would obviously be larger than the Earth itself (and would, in fact, fill the universe). But they don't fill the universe. They are contained within the boundaries of planet Earth, and therefore they are limited.Of course, many of Earth's resources can be either regenerated or recycled, but that only happens over time -- usually a long time. In the case of oil, it's hundreds of thousands of years. For fossil water it's much the same. The rate at which modern human civilization is using up these resources is orders of magnitude faster than the rate at which they can be naturally regenerated. This holds true for oil, water, topsoil, forests and more.Truth #2 - Each person living in modern civilization consumes some amount of the Earth's limited resources.This should also be self-evident: People consume resources. When you drive your car, you're obviously consuming limited natural resources. When you buy a car, you're consuming many other natural resources (all the elements that went into making a car), too. This is true even when you buy a solar panel.Every time you turn on a light switch, or open a package of food, or swallow a piece of food, you are consuming some amount of the Earth's limited resources.The sum of your consumption is called your "ecological footprint," and your ecological footprint is much larger than the immediate space you might call your home. The things you consume in your home require the resources of a much larger area far outside your home.A human child born in America today, for example, will consume 45,000 pounds of metal in their lifetime (through the products they purchase). That's 45,000 pounds of metal that must be mined, processed, transported and manufactured into consumable products, and metal mining is a very dirty business, by the way, even if that metal goes into making clean energy devices such as wind turbines.Truth #3 - Humans are altering the environmentYou can't argue with this (although some people ridiculously try). Human activity is altering our environment in a huge way, from the massive deforestation of the planet to the release of gases into the atmosphere. We've poisoned the rivers, destroyed natural habitat, polluted the oceans (Gulf of Mexico, anyone?) and altered the chemical composition of the atmosphere. These are undeniable scientific truths. No sane person can reasonably argue that human beings have not radically altered the environment of our planet over the last 200 years.If you visited North America 200 years ago, for example, you wouldn't even have recognized it as the same continent dominated by human beings today. A few hundred years ago, North America was teeming with life, with huge old-growth forests, pristine rivers and abundant plains. Today it is relatively dead, having been over-developed, over-paved and over-population to a point so extreme that our ancestors would largely consider it "dead".Truth #4 - Humans really like to have babiesThis is also self-evidence: People like to procreate. Every family, it seems, wants children, and those children want their own children, too. In general, human beings want to procreate without limitation. This, of course, leads to an explosion in population growth. We've seen this explosion over the last two hundred years as the Earth's population has grown from less than one billion people in 1800 to nearly seven billion today.Human beings do not consider their impact on the global population when they procreate. The decision to have children is made privately, selfishly, without regard to the impact on the planet. One more child seems like no big deal from the point of view of a couple that wishes for another son or daughter, but multiplied by billions, these decisions to procreate en masse lead to overpopulation, which leads to over-consumption of the planet's limited resources.

The Easter Island effectNow let's work our little thought experiment. Given the four simple truths described above, it is only a matter of time before the continued procreation of human beings collides with the reality of limited resources, causing a crisis of unsustainability.At some point, in other words, the continued expansion of human beings will destroy so much of the natural environment (and use so many natural resources) that there will not be enough resources available to support the continuation of the existing population.I call this the "Easter Island effect," in reference to the way in which the natives of Easter Island chopped down all their trees to build ever-larger monuments to themselves, and in doing so they destroyed their entire ecosystem and soon perished. The entire human civilization is now pulling an Easter Island on a global scale.

Our two choicesGiven that the unlimited expansion of the human population must inevitably use up key resources required to sustain human life, it stands to reason that there are only two choices for how we human beings can choose to deal with the situation:Choice #1 - We can acknowledge the ecological impact of human beings on our planet and make conscious choices to live within the bounds of sustainable balance with our planet (i.e. keeping our population size relatively stable by limiting runaway population growth, reducing our ecological footprint, respecting the natural environment that supports life on our planet, etc.).Choice #2 - We can continue our mindless population expansion and resource exploitation while ignoring any long-term consequences. This is the definition of stupidity, and yet it is precisely the path that modern human civilization is now choosing. It also seems to be the chosen path of "anti-environmental ists" -- people who resist the idea that we need to protect the environment at all.Sadly, human civilization has decided to go with choice #2. I believe the future of modern civilization is now set. Population expansion and resource depletion will soon collide with the limitations of our planet and result in a cataclysmic collapse of our civilization. We human beings are pulling off the Easter Island scenario, but with more than just trees: We're doing it with oil, water, soil and habitat. We are destroying the only planet that can keep us alive, and there now appears to be no stopping this self-destructive tendency of the human species.I have personally seen no evidence that the current human species is capable of long-term, sustainable balance with any ecosystem. It lacks the intelligent foresight necessary to anticipate such outcomes and make adjustments well in advance of them coming true. Some people among us even argue against environmental protection, not realizing they are essentially arguing for their own self-destruction.Other who are more thoughtful argue only against the fear of a world government enforcing environmental regulations at the expense of losing personal freedoms. This is a legitimate concern, and I happen to agree with these concerns. "Protecting the environment" can all too easily become a slippery mantra for world domination over individual freedom. The best way to avoid losing freedom while saving our environment is through education of the public that urges people to make better decisions without turning them into criminals if they fail to make those decisions.

Can humanity save itself?Saving human civilization from its own ignorance is no easy task. It will require intelligent, forward-thinking business leaders who see the long-term picture and who genuinely care about the future. Yet sadly, there is no such thing. Business leaders are, by definition, focused on the next fiscal quarter, not the next century. They will ALWAYS mortgage our collective future to increase their immediate profits.There is almost no such thing as a successful business person who is simultaneously an effective steward of our planet's natural resources. The simple act of generating more business -- in any business -- always results in more consumption because our entire economic system is based on consumption. It's even true about internet businesses, by the way. Every bit and byte you consume over the internet has an indirect environmental cost due to the electricity consumption of the CPUs delivering that content to you as well as, more importantly, the enormous cooling demand in data centers that spend fortunes just cooling all the computers running there.The fact that our economic activity is fundamentally based on consumption rather than conservation demonstrates why humanity is doomed to destroy itself. After seeing the failure of so many environmental summits, I'm convinced of it. I don't see any possible way that human beings will suddenly gain the intelligence and foresight necessary to live in balance with our natural world. Not without a crisis to teach everybody a few lessons, anyway. But even the Gulf Coast disaster isn't fundamentally changing the way business leaders think about consumption. They think it's just an "oil problem" not a global problem with the business models that drive our world into a self-destructive cycle of mindless consumption.

What may be coming in the next few yearsWhen the population continues to expand and most of the world's resources are wiped out, the human population will plunge into a time of great darkness. The loss of life will be immense -- perhaps as much as a 90% reduction in the planetary population. Ecosystems will fail, crops will fail and civilization itself will be brought to its knees. It won't take much to crash the current global system. Once the power grid is down for as little as 5 days, there's almost no bringing civilization back -- at least not modern civilization as we know it.Once the population is drastically reduced, the natural environment will have a chance to recover. Plants and animals will re-populate areas once lost to high-density human populations. And once the abundance returns, humans will again have the abundance necessary to re-populate, too. Hopefully future generations of human beings will learn from our present mistakes and not pursue the same path we did -- the path of endless consumption of the planet's resources to the point of destruction.On a long time scale, you will likely see human population rising, then crashing, then rising again from the ashes of a collapsed civilization. This is the ebb and flow of the future of life on Earth. You might even call it a "natural" cycle of human population expansion, then collapse, followed by expansion and yet more collapse. It's very similar to the way a virus invades a human body and multiplies until it kills the very host that once gave it life. In terms of big-picture behavior, humans are much like a virus on our planet.This cycle of destruction and rebirth could be balanced out, though, by a sufficiently intelligent species gifted with sufficient foresight to see what's coming and make early adjustments to avoid the population collapse. Our current human species, sadly, is not sufficiently intelligent to do so.

The corporate greed machineI hadn't really accepted this outcome as reality until just recently. I've always maintained a more optimistic attitude, thinking that we could find innovative ways to reverse climate change, reduce consumption, educate people and invent new technologies to clean up the planetary messes we've made. But I can now see that we're up against corporate monsters that are relentlessly pushing for our collective destruction.They're destroying our seeds and genes (for profit, no less), our soils, rivers, oceans and lands. They're corrupting our minds with pro-business propaganda and our bodies with their chemicals poisons. And they absolutely will not stop until every last exploitable resource on the planet has been used up and sold to a consumer. When our world is dominated by Monsanto, DuPont, oil companies, pharmaceutical companies, weapons manufacturers, junk food giants and chemical companies, there's not much hope for meaningful change that could set humanity on a new course of conservation and protection of life.Sadly, there is no stopping the great corporate greed machine. It will keep rolling forward, aiming for more growth, more consumption and more exploitation until the very last drop of oil is squeezed out of the tar sands and every last tree is slashed to make room for cattle ranching.A profit-based economic model cannot coexist with environmental protection because the two concepts are opposites. Big Business depends on endless growth, expansion, exploitation and consumption. But the environment can only be protected by consuming less. And that's not even in the vocabulary of today's business executives. The idea of consuming less is the antithesis of corporate profit and expansion.Have you ever seen a Coca-Cola ad that urged you to "drink less Coke"?That's why as long as corporations rule our world (and make no mistake, they already do), there is no saving the environment. Ergo, there is no saving ourselves from a complete civilization blowout that will eventually see the near-destruction of our natural world... with the collapse of the human population to soon follow.

The thought experiment - SimEarthImagine you're playing a software game called SimEarth. (Such a game actually exists, I believe, but I'm not referring to any real game. This is a fictional exercise.)In this SimEarth game, you get 1 point for every year that one human being is alive on planet Earth. The simulation runs for 1000 years and begins in the year we know as 1500 A.D.In the game, just as in the real world, the survival of human beings depends on the people having access to food, water, shelter, safety and other essentials. When the game begins, you have a blank slate SimEarth planet with enormous untapped resources of fossil oil, fossil water, old-growth forests, abundant ocean life and incredible biodiversity on land and sea. The human population is relatively small, perhaps only a few million people.As the game progresses and the years tick by, you start earning more and more points by allowing the human population to multiply. At one point, you turn on the invention of the combustion engine coupled with the discovery of oil, and then things really begin to accelerate: Food production suddenly multiplies, making food resources incredibly cheap and abundant, leading to a population explosion.As the points keep racking up, you watch as your SimEarth world becomes increasingly taken over by humans. The old growth forests are cut down and replaced with farm lands and cattle ranches. The once-abundant populations of wild animals are replaced by concrete highways and housing developments. Fossil water supplies drop sharply and oil drilling rigs pump out a heavy portion of the planet's remaining oil resources.Your points are really accelerating now as you watch the human population blow past four billion people, then five, and then six. At that point, on-screen statistics begin to flash red, warning you that world's oil, water, food, soil and ocean health are all reaching critical levels of deficiency. Although you're earning big points from all the human activity, the environmental cost of supporting all those people is now threatening the ecological stability of the planetary ecosystem.It is at this point you realize that, to beat the high score, you need to keep your human population alive at some level for the next 500 years, and yet the planet's resources are running out, reaching depletion in just 50 years or less. What should you do?You decide to just watch and see what happens. With your eyes fixated on the screen, the years tick past. Twenty-five years further into the simulation, the oil runs out, thrusting your simulated societies into an energy crisis. Without cheap, plentiful oil, food production grinds to a halt. Mass starvation takes hold in just one year, leading to disease and the unleashing of a global pandemic. Over the next five years, the human population suffers a massive, catastrophic die-off, plummeting to less than a billion people. Your once-awesome score now looks pitiful: Human civilization crashed and you'll never win the simulation now. Game over.This is the outcome facing modern human civilization. .. and it's no game. The possibility is very real. Unless something drastic is done to find a balance between human consumption (which is directly tied to population) and the natural environment that supports us all, our population is going to crash, too. It is a simple matter of biology.

The population problem no one dares speak ofThere's no way around this sobering thought: Population is the problem. There are too many people consuming too much stuff. It cannot be sustained -- especially not at the very high rates of consumption our western world has grown used to.To solve this dilemma, you can either reduce the population over time (through one-child policies, for example) or reduce consumption (through a variety of means), but you've got to do something. In no way do I support the idea of a one-child policy, by the way. I don't support government intervention in our private lives, and I don't support governments mandating personal limits on our carbon consumption. But then again, if something radical doesn't change, it's fairly obvious that the human population is simply going to keep expanding until key resources are all dried up. And that, of course, will result in a devastating crash of the human population.So there you have it: The price for our expansionistic, high-consumption lifestyles today is eventually going to be the blowout of human civilization in the future, followed by a sharp population crash. The only thing that can really stop it is forced government population control, a global pandemic, or some other widespread disaster that kills off a huge percentage of the world population. None of these seem particularly desirable.Or, perhaps, the world could be saved with a sudden burst of global education that teaches people to think about the long-term consequences of their own actions, but I'm not betting on that happening anytime soon. Even really smart people in first-world nations still burn up oil and use up resources as if there were no consequences. Education alone cannot save human civilization from destroying itself. Smart people are not necessarily ecologically- aware people. In fact, you could argue that the most highly-educated people on the planet are precisely those who are consuming the greatest natural resources. (Poor, uneducated populations don't consume much for the simple reason that they cannot afford to.)There's no way around it: We are on a track headed straight for our own destruction. A planet-wide collapse is coming sometime this century.If you think I'm wrong, I'd like to hear from you. I hope I'm wrong, and I'm looking for a reasoned argument that can offer a solution to our population problem -- preferably without resorting to government-run population control initiatives or forced one-child policies. Seriously: How can the human species now save itself from its own destruction? Even free energy technologies aren't the answer, as they don't solve the problems of running out of fossil water, topsoil, natural habitat or rare earth metals used in industrial processes. Free energy will only cause the human population to explode even more rapidly, worsening the current problem of over-population.I challenge every person reading this to do the math. Run the numbers yourself. Look at the limited resources on our planet and compare them with the per-capita consumption facts associated with modern-day consumers. Then consider what happens when the population keeps expanding... and add to that the desire for poorer nations to "achieve" the consumption rates of first-world nations like the USA.If you do the math, you'll quickly see it doesn't add up. The projects all come to a screeching halt in the next hundred years (if not sooner). The population growth rates still under way lead to a literal dead end, given current rates of consumption.This may not be a popular topic to write about. Most people prefer to pretend this problem doesn't exist (much like the U.S. national debt). But it is, in reality, the single largest problem facing the future of human civilization: How do we find a way to live in balance with our natural environment while sustaining a steady population.. . without turning our world into a population control police state?I personally cannot think of any acceptable solution to this problem that does not involve some sort of massive population control measure... and that solution is, itself, unthinkable

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Hi everybody.

For drying clothes we often use such kind of drying-parasols (reversed version of an umbrella) http://www.brabantia-webshop.nl/product-afbeelding/normaal/26055/brabantia-droogmolen-smartlift.jpg

When you do live in a city and have less place for gardening and relaxspace then this is an opportunity. Once the laundry dried you can put it away and it don't harm your 'nature-space'. I use it since 1982 as my garden is only about 16 feet on 19 feet long. I attached a pic of our little garden, it's little but we can still grow blackberries and blueberries between the flowers. We only cultivated vegetables the first year we lived here, the second year our son enjoyed running between them and then we decided to create a childfriendly little citygarden. Up till now it's more a kind of relaxgarden and maybe next year we can enjoy seeing our first grandchild enjoying it too.

For energy of electricity , gaz we pay monthly too. (we pay for two persons with our consuming for this year some 215 dollars) Sunenergy is for our purse too expensive now to investigate in it, as I'm housewife and don't have a job. So once again the people who would need the most help of such energies can't afford it, while peolple who can do it, gain money with it as they give energy back to the electricity-circuit and pay less at the end. So where is the balance?

But I don't complain, I'm happy with what we could and still try to do, within our possibilities and all little things are making us also bit more less consumers.

Joy, pity you couldn't stay in your old adress, as also my brother found a source on his property (he bought 3 years ago), next year he will probably look to use it also.

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From: Joyce Hudson <bjoyful@...>11 Sent: Sat, June 26, 2010 6:46:25 PMSubject: Re: [ ] Humans vs. the environment - A thought experiment

 Well, I do hang clothing on plastic coat hangers to dry. I use the shower rod, though. If I hang a clothes line between the support beams on the back porch, then I could use clothes hangers there, too. The back balcony is full with my house plants. And soon, there will be 6 patio garden containers out there, for the vegetables I want to grow, that aren't doing well in the garden. It's way too hot. The back balcony has an awning over it, so that the plants only get sun light till about noon. I put my flowers out there that I started from seeds, as soon as it was warm, and they did wonderfully. My container of violas is beautiful. I lucked out in having a good mix of colors.

Clothes racks or plastic hangers are great for drying the clothes, because they are thicker than a clothes line and there's less chance of creases. I used to have 2 3-tier wooden clothes racks. Maybe I can use one of those for towels. :-) Thanks Michele for the reminder.

Love, Joy

[ ] Humans vs. the environment - A thought experiment Date: Thursday, June 24, 2010, 12:09 PM

How long have you been aware of this? For me, it's been a few years. Have I done anything about it? NOT Really!

Ok, so I try to cut back on driving the car. I run all of my errands at one time. But I haven't put my 3 wheel bicycle together, that could be used locally.

Have I cut back on electricity? Well, I don't unplug everything. I did switch to energy saving bulbs and I try to keep the electronics off, if I am not paying attention to them, like TVs. But to unplug everything, and only plug it in when we need it, is hard because of where the outlets are. Hmm. Will have to look into that.

Do I recycle. No, but our garbage pickup doesn't recycle. But I could separate the plastic, glass & paper from rest of the junk and take them to where ever they have drops.

Do I purchase because I want something or need it? Oh, It's needed or I won't buy it.

Do I collect rain for water plants? Well we do have one rainbarrel now and I am please with it, so we will be adding more of the same.

What other ways, can we as individuals do to help save? The first that we need to do, it make All aware of the critical need of saving our environment. It's going to be difficult. Americans are spoiled. They want life easy. They are impractical. Instead of driving an economical vehicle, if they can afford to, they will buy a gas hog. Even if they can't afford it, they will buy it for the status symbol. Americans are so busy, we don't look farther than our noses. It needs to change, as the article below points out. It's going to take effort on our parts. Blessings, Joy

http://www.naturaln ews.com/029056_ environmental_ protection_ population_ control.html

Humans vs. the environment - A thought experiment

(NaturalNews) Protecting the environment isn't a "liberal" idea; it's everybody's business. Liberal or conservative, Democrat or Republican, the environment provides life support for us all, and if we fail to recognize that, we are truly doomed as a civilization.To help explain this, I've put together a simple thought experiment. It begins with three undeniable truths about humans and the environment:Truth #1 - The Earth's resources are limited.This should be self-evidence, but some people still don't get it. The Earth's resources -- oil, forests, water, energy, and so on -- are finite. They do not exist in infinite quantities. If they did, they would obviously be larger than the Earth itself (and would, in fact, fill the universe). But they don't fill the universe. They are contained within the boundaries of planet Earth, and therefore they are limited.Of course, many

of Earth's resources can be either regenerated or recycled, but that only happens over time -- usually a long time. In the case of oil, it's hundreds of thousands of years. For fossil water it's much the same. The rate at which modern human civilization is using up these resources is orders of magnitude faster than the rate at which they can be naturally regenerated. This holds true for oil, water, topsoil, forests and more.Truth #2 - Each person living in modern civilization consumes some amount of the Earth's limited resources.This should also be self-evident: People consume resources. When you drive your car, you're obviously consuming limited natural resources. When you buy a car, you're consuming many other natural resources (all the elements that went into making a car), too. This is true even when you buy a solar panel.Every time you turn on a light switch, or open a

package of food, or swallow a piece of food, you are consuming some amount of the Earth's limited resources.The sum of your consumption is called your "ecological footprint," and your ecological footprint is much larger than the immediate space you might call your home. The things you consume in your home require the resources of a much larger area far outside your home.A human child born in America today, for example, will consume 45,000 pounds of metal in their lifetime (through the products they purchase). That's 45,000 pounds of metal that must be mined, processed, transported and manufactured into consumable products, and metal mining is a very dirty business, by the way, even if that metal goes into making clean energy devices such as wind turbines.Truth #3 - Humans are altering the environmentYou can't argue with this (although some people ridiculously try). Human activity is

altering our environment in a huge way, from the massive deforestation of the planet to the release of gases into the atmosphere. We've poisoned the rivers, destroyed natural habitat, polluted the oceans (Gulf of Mexico, anyone?) and altered the chemical composition of the atmosphere. These are undeniable scientific truths. No sane person can reasonably argue that human beings have not radically altered the environment of our planet over the last 200 years.If you visited North America 200 years ago, for example, you wouldn't even have recognized it as the same continent dominated by human beings today. A few hundred years ago, North America was teeming with life, with huge old-growth forests, pristine rivers and abundant plains. Today it is relatively dead, having been over-developed, over-paved and over-population to a point so extreme that our ancestors would largely consider it "dead".Truth #4 - Humans

really like to have babiesThis is also self-evidence: People like to procreate. Every family, it seems, wants children, and those children want their own children, too. In general, human beings want to procreate without limitation. This, of course, leads to an explosion in population growth. We've seen this explosion over the last two hundred years as the Earth's population has grown from less than one billion people in 1800 to nearly seven billion today.Human beings do not consider their impact on the global population when they procreate. The decision to have children is made privately, selfishly, without regard to the impact on the planet. One more child seems like no big deal from the point of view of a couple that wishes for another son or daughter, but multiplied by billions, these decisions to procreate en masse lead to overpopulation, which leads to over-consumption of the planet's limited

resources.

The Easter Island effectNow let's work our little thought experiment. Given the four simple truths described above, it is only a matter of time before the continued procreation of human beings collides with the reality of limited resources, causing a crisis of unsustainability.At some point, in other words, the continued expansion of human beings will destroy so much of the natural environment (and use so many natural resources) that there will not be enough resources available to support the continuation of the existing population.I call this the "Easter Island effect," in reference to the way in which the natives of Easter Island chopped down all their trees to build ever-larger monuments to themselves, and in doing so they destroyed their entire ecosystem and soon perished. The entire human civilization is now pulling an Easter Island on a global scale.

Our two choicesGiven that the unlimited expansion of the human population must inevitably use up key resources required to sustain human life, it stands to reason that there are only two choices for how we human beings can choose to deal with the situation:Choice #1 - We can acknowledge the ecological impact of human beings on our planet and make conscious choices to live within the bounds of sustainable balance with our planet (i.e. keeping our population size relatively stable by limiting runaway population growth, reducing our ecological footprint, respecting the natural environment that supports life on our planet, etc.).Choice #2 - We can continue our mindless population expansion and resource exploitation while ignoring any long-term consequences. This is the definition of stupidity, and yet it is precisely the path that modern human civilization is now choosing. It also seems

to be the chosen path of "anti-environmental ists" -- people who resist the idea that we need to protect the environment at all.Sadly, human civilization has decided to go with choice #2. I believe the future of modern civilization is now set. Population expansion and resource depletion will soon collide with the limitations of our planet and result in a cataclysmic collapse of our civilization. We human beings are pulling off the Easter Island scenario, but with more than just trees: We're doing it with oil, water, soil and habitat. We are destroying the only planet that can keep us alive, and there now appears to be no stopping this self-destructive tendency of the human species.I have personally seen no evidence that the current human species is capable of long-term, sustainable balance with any ecosystem. It lacks the intelligent foresight necessary to anticipate such outcomes and make adjustments well in advance of them

coming true. Some people among us even argue against environmental protection, not realizing they are essentially arguing for their own self-destruction.Other who are more thoughtful argue only against the fear of a world government enforcing environmental regulations at the expense of losing personal freedoms. This is a legitimate concern, and I happen to agree with these concerns. "Protecting the environment" can all too easily become a slippery mantra for world domination over individual freedom. The best way to avoid losing freedom while saving our environment is through education of the public that urges people to make better decisions without turning them into criminals if they fail to make those decisions.

Can humanity save itself?Saving human civilization from its own ignorance is no easy task. It will require intelligent, forward-thinking business leaders who see the long-term picture and who genuinely care about the future. Yet sadly, there is no such thing. Business leaders are, by definition, focused on the next fiscal quarter, not the next century. They will ALWAYS mortgage our collective future to increase their immediate profits.There is almost no such thing as a successful business person who is simultaneously an effective steward of our planet's natural resources. The simple act of generating more business -- in any business -- always results in more consumption because our entire economic system is based on consumption. It's even true about internet businesses, by the way. Every bit and byte you consume over the internet has an indirect environmental cost due to the electricity consumption of

the CPUs delivering that content to you as well as, more importantly, the enormous cooling demand in data centers that spend fortunes just cooling all the computers running there.The fact that our economic activity is fundamentally based on consumption rather than conservation demonstrates why humanity is doomed to destroy itself. After seeing the failure of so many environmental summits, I'm convinced of it. I don't see any possible way that human beings will suddenly gain the intelligence and foresight necessary to live in balance with our natural world. Not without a crisis to teach everybody a few lessons, anyway. But even the Gulf Coast disaster isn't fundamentally changing the way business leaders think about consumption. They think it's just an "oil problem" not a global problem with the business models that drive our world into a self-destructive cycle of mindless consumption.

What may be coming in the next few yearsWhen the population continues to expand and most of the world's resources are wiped out, the human population will plunge into a time of great darkness. The loss of life will be immense -- perhaps as much as a 90% reduction in the planetary population. Ecosystems will fail, crops will fail and civilization itself will be brought to its knees. It won't take much to crash the current global system. Once the power grid is down for as little as 5 days, there's almost no bringing civilization back -- at least not modern civilization as we know it.Once the population is drastically reduced, the natural environment will have a chance to recover. Plants and animals will re-populate areas once lost to high-density human populations. And once the abundance returns, humans will again have the abundance necessary to re-populate, too. Hopefully future generations of human beings will learn from our present

mistakes and not pursue the same path we did -- the path of endless consumption of the planet's resources to the point of destruction.On a long time scale, you will likely see human population rising, then crashing, then rising again from the ashes of a collapsed civilization. This is the ebb and flow of the future of life on Earth. You might even call it a "natural" cycle of human population expansion, then collapse, followed by expansion and yet more collapse. It's very similar to the way a virus invades a human body and multiplies until it kills the very host that once gave it life. In terms of big-picture behavior, humans are much like a virus on our planet.This cycle of destruction and rebirth could be balanced out, though, by a sufficiently intelligent species gifted with sufficient foresight to see what's coming and make early adjustments to avoid the population collapse. Our current human species, sadly, is not sufficiently

intelligent to do so.

The corporate greed machineI hadn't really accepted this outcome as reality until just recently. I've always maintained a more optimistic attitude, thinking that we could find innovative ways to reverse climate change, reduce consumption, educate people and invent new technologies to clean up the planetary messes we've made. But I can now see that we're up against corporate monsters that are relentlessly pushing for our collective destruction.They're destroying our seeds and genes (for profit, no less), our soils, rivers, oceans and lands. They're corrupting our minds with pro-business propaganda and our bodies with their chemicals poisons. And they absolutely will not stop until every last exploitable resource on the planet has been used up and sold to a consumer. When our world is dominated by Monsanto, DuPont, oil companies, pharmaceutical companies, weapons manufacturers, junk food giants and chemical

companies, there's not much hope for meaningful change that could set humanity on a new course of conservation and protection of life.Sadly, there is no stopping the great corporate greed machine. It will keep rolling forward, aiming for more growth, more consumption and more exploitation until the very last drop of oil is squeezed out of the tar sands and every last tree is slashed to make room for cattle ranching.A profit-based economic model cannot coexist with environmental protection because the two concepts are opposites. Big Business depends on endless growth, expansion, exploitation and consumption. But the environment can only be protected by consuming less. And that's not even in the vocabulary of today's business executives. The idea of consuming less is the antithesis of corporate profit and expansion.Have you ever seen a Coca-Cola ad that urged you to "drink less Coke"?That's why as long as

corporations rule our world (and make no mistake, they already do), there is no saving the environment. Ergo, there is no saving ourselves from a complete civilization blowout that will eventually see the near-destruction of our natural world... with the collapse of the human population to soon follow.

The thought experiment - SimEarthImagine you're playing a software game called SimEarth. (Such a game actually exists, I believe, but I'm not referring to any real game. This is a fictional exercise.)In this SimEarth game, you get 1 point for every year that one human being is alive on planet Earth. The simulation runs for 1000 years and begins in the year we know as 1500 A.D.In the game, just as in the real world, the survival of human beings depends on the people having access to food, water, shelter, safety and other essentials. When the game begins, you have a blank slate SimEarth planet with enormous untapped resources of fossil oil, fossil water, old-growth forests, abundant ocean life and incredible biodiversity on land and sea. The human population is relatively small, perhaps only a few million people.As the game progresses and the years tick by, you start earning more and more points

by allowing the human population to multiply. At one point, you turn on the invention of the combustion engine coupled with the discovery of oil, and then things really begin to accelerate: Food production suddenly multiplies, making food resources incredibly cheap and abundant, leading to a population explosion.As the points keep racking up, you watch as your SimEarth world becomes increasingly taken over by humans. The old growth forests are cut down and replaced with farm lands and cattle ranches. The once-abundant populations of wild animals are replaced by concrete highways and housing developments. Fossil water supplies drop sharply and oil drilling rigs pump out a heavy portion of the planet's remaining oil resources.Your points are really accelerating now as you watch the human population blow past four billion people, then five, and then six. At that point, on-screen statistics begin to flash red, warning you that world's oil,

water, food, soil and ocean health are all reaching critical levels of deficiency. Although you're earning big points from all the human activity, the environmental cost of supporting all those people is now threatening the ecological stability of the planetary ecosystem.It is at this point you realize that, to beat the high score, you need to keep your human population alive at some level for the next 500 years, and yet the planet's resources are running out, reaching depletion in just 50 years or less. What should you do?You decide to just watch and see what happens. With your eyes fixated on the screen, the years tick past. Twenty-five years further into the simulation, the oil runs out, thrusting your simulated societies into an energy crisis. Without cheap, plentiful oil, food production grinds to a halt. Mass starvation takes hold in just one year, leading to disease and the unleashing of a global pandemic. Over the next five

years, the human population suffers a massive, catastrophic die-off, plummeting to less than a billion people. Your once-awesome score now looks pitiful: Human civilization crashed and you'll never win the simulation now. Game over.This is the outcome facing modern human civilization. .. and it's no game. The possibility is very real. Unless something drastic is done to find a balance between human consumption (which is directly tied to population) and the natural environment that supports us all, our population is going to crash, too. It is a simple matter of biology.

The population problem no one dares speak ofThere's no way around this sobering thought: Population is the problem. There are too many people consuming too much stuff. It cannot be sustained -- especially not at the very high rates of consumption our western world has grown used to.To solve this dilemma, you can either reduce the population over time (through one-child policies, for example) or reduce consumption (through a variety of means), but you've got to do something. In no way do I support the idea of a one-child policy, by the way. I don't support government intervention in our private lives, and I don't support governments mandating personal limits on our carbon consumption. But then again, if something radical doesn't change, it's fairly obvious that the human population is simply going to keep expanding until key resources are all dried up. And that, of course, will result in a devastating

crash of the human population.So there you have it: The price for our expansionistic, high-consumption lifestyles today is eventually going to be the blowout of human civilization in the future, followed by a sharp population crash. The only thing that can really stop it is forced government population control, a global pandemic, or some other widespread disaster that kills off a huge percentage of the world population. None of these seem particularly desirable.Or, perhaps, the world could be saved with a sudden burst of global education that teaches people to think about the long-term consequences of their own actions, but I'm not betting on that happening anytime soon. Even really smart people in first-world nations still burn up oil and use up resources as if there were no consequences. Education alone cannot save human civilization from destroying itself. Smart people are not necessarily ecologically- aware people. In

fact, you could argue that the most highly-educated people on the planet are precisely those who are consuming the greatest natural resources. (Poor, uneducated populations don't consume much for the simple reason that they cannot afford to.)There's no way around it: We are on a track headed straight for our own destruction. A planet-wide collapse is coming sometime this century.If you think I'm wrong, I'd like to hear from you. I hope I'm wrong, and I'm looking for a reasoned argument that can offer a solution to our population problem -- preferably without resorting to government-run population control initiatives or forced one-child policies. Seriously: How can the human species now save itself from its own destruction? Even free energy technologies aren't the answer, as they don't solve the problems of running out of fossil water, topsoil, natural habitat or rare earth metals used in industrial processes. Free energy

will only cause the human population to explode even more rapidly, worsening the current problem of over-population.I challenge every person reading this to do the math. Run the numbers yourself. Look at the limited resources on our planet and compare them with the per-capita consumption facts associated with modern-day consumers. Then consider what happens when the population keeps expanding... and add to that the desire for poorer nations to "achieve" the consumption rates of first-world nations like the USA.If you do the math, you'll quickly see it doesn't add up. The projects all come to a screeching halt in the next hundred years (if not sooner). The population growth rates still under way lead to a literal dead end, given current rates of consumption.This may not be a popular topic to write about. Most people prefer to pretend this problem doesn't exist (much like the U.S. national debt). But it is, in reality, the

single largest problem facing the future of human civilization: How do we find a way to live in balance with our natural environment while sustaining a steady population.. . without turning our world into a population control police state?I personally cannot think of any acceptable solution to this problem that does not involve some sort of massive population control measure... and that solution is, itself, unthinkable

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From: Joyce Hudson <bjoyful@...> Sent: Sat, June 26, 2010 9:59:57 PMSubject: Re: [ ] Humans vs. the environment - A thought experiment

 Honey, there isn't a balance! It's why, those of us who are for a natural world, have to make our voices heard! How can we do that? With Blogs, Internet groups, writing the news editors, teaching family & neighbors, signing petitions and just standing up for what we believe in.

Everything is too expensive. For those families who have men/women that are handy with their hands, building a windmill for energy and to pump water from a well, would be great. Digging a well was expensive 40 years ago, and it would be even worse now!

I love what you have done with your yard! It's beautiful! Hope you downloaded it to the group and labeled it e's back yard! I would like everyone that has a yard to do that.

Well, when my ex and I split about 30 years ago, we sold the place. I truly loved it. But it was way out in the country, and we put the trailer right in the middle of the woods. The land bordered an animal refuge wilderness. My nearest neighbor was about a 1/2 mile, either way. It really wasn't safe for me to live there alone. We had prowlers at night. Probably bored teenagers, since the nearest metropolitan city was over 100 miles away.

What I would love to do is have a little house, shack, or trailer, out in the country on an acre, with woods behind right up to the house. The front yard and sides, would be for nuts & fruit trees/bushes, herb garden, flower beds and vegetable gardens. I wouldn't have much grass. The whole lawn would be designed for what I wanted to grow. I would design it to look somewhere between wild land and a country garden. Of course, I can't afford this at all. I can't work, due to looking after Dad.

Have a good weekend.

[ ] Humans vs. the environment - A thought experiment Date: Thursday, June 24, 2010, 12:09 PM

How long have you been aware of this? For me, it's been a few years. Have I done anything about it? NOT Really!

Ok, so I try to cut back on driving the car. I run all of my errands at one time. But I haven't put my 3 wheel bicycle together, that could be used locally.

Have I cut back on electricity? Well, I don't unplug everything. I did switch to energy saving bulbs and I try to keep the electronics off, if I am not paying attention to them, like TVs. But to unplug everything, and only plug it in when we need it, is hard because of where the outlets are. Hmm. Will have to look into that.

Do I recycle. No, but our garbage pickup doesn't recycle. But I could separate the plastic, glass & paper from rest of the junk and take them to where ever they have drops.

Do I purchase because I want something or need it? Oh, It's needed or I won't buy it.

Do I collect rain for water plants? Well we do have one rainbarrel now and I am please with it, so we will be adding more of the same.

What other ways, can we as individuals do to help save? The first that we need to do, it make All aware of the critical need of saving our environment. It's going to be difficult. Americans are spoiled. They want life easy. They are impractical. Instead of driving an economical vehicle, if they can afford to, they will buy a gas hog. Even if they can't afford it, they will buy it for the status symbol. Americans are so busy, we don't look farther than our noses. It needs to change, as the article below points out. It's going to take effort on our parts. Blessings, Joy

http://www.naturaln ews.com/029056_ environmental_ protection_ population_ control.html

Humans vs. the environment - A thought experiment

(NaturalNews) Protecting the environment isn't a "liberal" idea; it's everybody's business. Liberal or conservative, Democrat or Republican, the environment provides life support for us all, and if we fail to recognize that, we are truly doomed as a civilization.To help explain this, I've put together a simple thought experiment. It begins with three undeniable truths about humans and the environment:Truth #1 - The Earth's resources are limited.This should be self-evidence, but some people still don't get it. The Earth's resources -- oil, forests, water, energy, and so on -- are finite. They do not exist in infinite quantities. If they did, they would obviously be larger than the Earth itself (and would, in fact, fill the universe). But they don't fill the universe. They are contained within the boundaries of planet Earth, and therefore they are limited.Of course, many

of Earth's resources can be either regenerated or recycled, but that only happens over time -- usually a long time. In the case of oil, it's hundreds of thousands of years. For fossil water it's much the same. The rate at which modern human civilization is using up these resources is orders of magnitude faster than the rate at which they can be naturally regenerated. This holds true for oil, water, topsoil, forests and more.Truth #2 - Each person living in modern civilization consumes some amount of the Earth's limited resources.This should also be self-evident: People consume resources. When you drive your car, you're obviously consuming limited natural resources. When you buy a car, you're consuming many other natural resources (all the elements that went into making a car), too. This is true even when you buy a solar panel.Every time you turn on a light switch, or open a

package of food, or swallow a piece of food, you are consuming some amount of the Earth's limited resources.The sum of your consumption is called your "ecological footprint," and your ecological footprint is much larger than the immediate space you might call your home. The things you consume in your home require the resources of a much larger area far outside your home.A human child born in America today, for example, will consume 45,000 pounds of metal in their lifetime (through the products they purchase). That's 45,000 pounds of metal that must be mined, processed, transported and manufactured into consumable products, and metal mining is a very dirty business, by the way, even if that metal goes into making clean energy devices such as wind turbines.Truth #3 - Humans are altering the environmentYou can't argue with this (although some people ridiculously try). Human activity is

altering our environment in a huge way, from the massive deforestation of the planet to the release of gases into the atmosphere. We've poisoned the rivers, destroyed natural habitat, polluted the oceans (Gulf of Mexico, anyone?) and altered the chemical composition of the atmosphere. These are undeniable scientific truths. No sane person can reasonably argue that human beings have not radically altered the environment of our planet over the last 200 years.If you visited North America 200 years ago, for example, you wouldn't even have recognized it as the same continent dominated by human beings today. A few hundred years ago, North America was teeming with life, with huge old-growth forests, pristine rivers and abundant plains. Today it is relatively dead, having been over-developed, over-paved and over-population to a point so extreme that our ancestors would largely consider it "dead".Truth #4 - Humans

really like to have babiesThis is also self-evidence: People like to procreate. Every family, it seems, wants children, and those children want their own children, too. In general, human beings want to procreate without limitation. This, of course, leads to an explosion in population growth. We've seen this explosion over the last two hundred years as the Earth's population has grown from less than one billion people in 1800 to nearly seven billion today.Human beings do not consider their impact on the global population when they procreate. The decision to have children is made privately, selfishly, without regard to the impact on the planet. One more child seems like no big deal from the point of view of a couple that wishes for another son or daughter, but multiplied by billions, these decisions to procreate en masse lead to overpopulation, which leads to over-consumption of the planet's limited

resources.

The Easter Island effectNow let's work our little thought experiment. Given the four simple truths described above, it is only a matter of time before the continued procreation of human beings collides with the reality of limited resources, causing a crisis of unsustainability.At some point, in other words, the continued expansion of human beings will destroy so much of the natural environment (and use so many natural resources) that there will not be enough resources available to support the continuation of the existing population.I call this the "Easter Island effect," in reference to the way in which the natives of Easter Island chopped down all their trees to build ever-larger monuments to themselves, and in doing so they destroyed their entire ecosystem and soon perished. The entire human civilization is now pulling an Easter Island on a global scale.

Our two choicesGiven that the unlimited expansion of the human population must inevitably use up key resources required to sustain human life, it stands to reason that there are only two choices for how we human beings can choose to deal with the situation:Choice #1 - We can acknowledge the ecological impact of human beings on our planet and make conscious choices to live within the bounds of sustainable balance with our planet (i.e. keeping our population size relatively stable by limiting runaway population growth, reducing our ecological footprint, respecting the natural environment that supports life on our planet, etc.).Choice #2 - We can continue our mindless population expansion and resource exploitation while ignoring any long-term consequences. This is the definition of stupidity, and yet it is precisely the path that modern human civilization is now choosing. It also seems

to be the chosen path of "anti-environmental ists" -- people who resist the idea that we need to protect the environment at all.Sadly, human civilization has decided to go with choice #2. I believe the future of modern civilization is now set. Population expansion and resource depletion will soon collide with the limitations of our planet and result in a cataclysmic collapse of our civilization. We human beings are pulling off the Easter Island scenario, but with more than just trees: We're doing it with oil, water, soil and habitat. We are destroying the only planet that can keep us alive, and there now appears to be no stopping this self-destructive tendency of the human species.I have personally seen no evidence that the current human species is capable of long-term, sustainable balance with any ecosystem. It lacks the intelligent foresight necessary to anticipate such outcomes and make adjustments well in advance of them

coming true. Some people among us even argue against environmental protection, not realizing they are essentially arguing for their own self-destruction.Other who are more thoughtful argue only against the fear of a world government enforcing environmental regulations at the expense of losing personal freedoms. This is a legitimate concern, and I happen to agree with these concerns. "Protecting the environment" can all too easily become a slippery mantra for world domination over individual freedom. The best way to avoid losing freedom while saving our environment is through education of the public that urges people to make better decisions without turning them into criminals if they fail to make those decisions.

Can humanity save itself?Saving human civilization from its own ignorance is no easy task. It will require intelligent, forward-thinking business leaders who see the long-term picture and who genuinely care about the future. Yet sadly, there is no such thing. Business leaders are, by definition, focused on the next fiscal quarter, not the next century. They will ALWAYS mortgage our collective future to increase their immediate profits.There is almost no such thing as a successful business person who is simultaneously an effective steward of our planet's natural resources. The simple act of generating more business -- in any business -- always results in more consumption because our entire economic system is based on consumption. It's even true about internet businesses, by the way. Every bit and byte you consume over the internet has an indirect environmental cost due to the electricity consumption of

the CPUs delivering that content to you as well as, more importantly, the enormous cooling demand in data centers that spend fortunes just cooling all the computers running there.The fact that our economic activity is fundamentally based on consumption rather than conservation demonstrates why humanity is doomed to destroy itself. After seeing the failure of so many environmental summits, I'm convinced of it. I don't see any possible way that human beings will suddenly gain the intelligence and foresight necessary to live in balance with our natural world. Not without a crisis to teach everybody a few lessons, anyway. But even the Gulf Coast disaster isn't fundamentally changing the way business leaders think about consumption. They think it's just an "oil problem" not a global problem with the business models that drive our world into a self-destructive cycle of mindless consumption.

What may be coming in the next few yearsWhen the population continues to expand and most of the world's resources are wiped out, the human population will plunge into a time of great darkness. The loss of life will be immense -- perhaps as much as a 90% reduction in the planetary population. Ecosystems will fail, crops will fail and civilization itself will be brought to its knees. It won't take much to crash the current global system. Once the power grid is down for as little as 5 days, there's almost no bringing civilization back -- at least not modern civilization as we know it.Once the population is drastically reduced, the natural environment will have a chance to recover. Plants and animals will re-populate areas once lost to high-density human populations. And once the abundance returns, humans will again have the abundance necessary to re-populate, too. Hopefully future generations of human beings will learn from our present

mistakes and not pursue the same path we did -- the path of endless consumption of the planet's resources to the point of destruction.On a long time scale, you will likely see human population rising, then crashing, then rising again from the ashes of a collapsed civilization. This is the ebb and flow of the future of life on Earth. You might even call it a "natural" cycle of human population expansion, then collapse, followed by expansion and yet more collapse. It's very similar to the way a virus invades a human body and multiplies until it kills the very host that once gave it life. In terms of big-picture behavior, humans are much like a virus on our planet.This cycle of destruction and rebirth could be balanced out, though, by a sufficiently intelligent species gifted with sufficient foresight to see what's coming and make early adjustments to avoid the population collapse. Our current human species, sadly, is not sufficiently

intelligent to do so.

The corporate greed machineI hadn't really accepted this outcome as reality until just recently. I've always maintained a more optimistic attitude, thinking that we could find innovative ways to reverse climate change, reduce consumption, educate people and invent new technologies to clean up the planetary messes we've made. But I can now see that we're up against corporate monsters that are relentlessly pushing for our collective destruction.They're destroying our seeds and genes (for profit, no less), our soils, rivers, oceans and lands. They're corrupting our minds with pro-business propaganda and our bodies with their chemicals poisons. And they absolutely will not stop until every last exploitable resource on the planet has been used up and sold to a consumer. When our world is dominated by Monsanto, DuPont, oil companies, pharmaceutical companies, weapons manufacturers, junk food giants and chemical

companies, there's not much hope for meaningful change that could set humanity on a new course of conservation and protection of life.Sadly, there is no stopping the great corporate greed machine. It will keep rolling forward, aiming for more growth, more consumption and more exploitation until the very last drop of oil is squeezed out of the tar sands and every last tree is slashed to make room for cattle ranching.A profit-based economic model cannot coexist with environmental protection because the two concepts are opposites. Big Business depends on endless growth, expansion, exploitation and consumption. But the environment can only be protected by consuming less. And that's not even in the vocabulary of today's business executives. The idea of consuming less is the antithesis of corporate profit and expansion.Have you ever seen a Coca-Cola ad that urged you to "drink less Coke"?That's why as long as

corporations rule our world (and make no mistake, they already do), there is no saving the environment. Ergo, there is no saving ourselves from a complete civilization blowout that will eventually see the near-destruction of our natural world... with the collapse of the human population to soon follow.

The thought experiment - SimEarthImagine you're playing a software game called SimEarth. (Such a game actually exists, I believe, but I'm not referring to any real game. This is a fictional exercise.)In this SimEarth game, you get 1 point for every year that one human being is alive on planet Earth. The simulation runs for 1000 years and begins in the year we know as 1500 A.D.In the game, just as in the real world, the survival of human beings depends on the people having access to food, water, shelter, safety and other essentials. When the game begins, you have a blank slate SimEarth planet with enormous untapped resources of fossil oil, fossil water, old-growth forests, abundant ocean life and incredible biodiversity on land and sea. The human population is relatively small, perhaps only a few million people.As the game progresses and the years tick by, you start earning more and more points

by allowing the human population to multiply. At one point, you turn on the invention of the combustion engine coupled with the discovery of oil, and then things really begin to accelerate: Food production suddenly multiplies, making food resources incredibly cheap and abundant, leading to a population explosion.As the points keep racking up, you watch as your SimEarth world becomes increasingly taken over by humans. The old growth forests are cut down and replaced with farm lands and cattle ranches. The once-abundant populations of wild animals are replaced by concrete highways and housing developments. Fossil water supplies drop sharply and oil drilling rigs pump out a heavy portion of the planet's remaining oil resources.Your points are really accelerating now as you watch the human population blow past four billion people, then five, and then six. At that point, on-screen statistics begin to flash red, warning you that world's oil,

water, food, soil and ocean health are all reaching critical levels of deficiency. Although you're earning big points from all the human activity, the environmental cost of supporting all those people is now threatening the ecological stability of the planetary ecosystem.It is at this point you realize that, to beat the high score, you need to keep your human population alive at some level for the next 500 years, and yet the planet's resources are running out, reaching depletion in just 50 years or less. What should you do?You decide to just watch and see what happens. With your eyes fixated on the screen, the years tick past. Twenty-five years further into the simulation, the oil runs out, thrusting your simulated societies into an energy crisis. Without cheap, plentiful oil, food production grinds to a halt. Mass starvation takes hold in just one year, leading to disease and the unleashing of a global pandemic. Over the next five

years, the human population suffers a massive, catastrophic die-off, plummeting to less than a billion people. Your once-awesome score now looks pitiful: Human civilization crashed and you'll never win the simulation now. Game over.This is the outcome facing modern human civilization. .. and it's no game. The possibility is very real. Unless something drastic is done to find a balance between human consumption (which is directly tied to population) and the natural environment that supports us all, our population is going to crash, too. It is a simple matter of biology.

The population problem no one dares speak ofThere's no way around this sobering thought: Population is the problem. There are too many people consuming too much stuff. It cannot be sustained -- especially not at the very high rates of consumption our western world has grown used to.To solve this dilemma, you can either reduce the population over time (through one-child policies, for example) or reduce consumption (through a variety of means), but you've got to do something. In no way do I support the idea of a one-child policy, by the way. I don't support government intervention in our private lives, and I don't support governments mandating personal limits on our carbon consumption. But then again, if something radical doesn't change, it's fairly obvious that the human population is simply going to keep expanding until key resources are all dried up. And that, of course, will result in a devastating

crash of the human population.So there you have it: The price for our expansionistic, high-consumption lifestyles today is eventually going to be the blowout of human civilization in the future, followed by a sharp population crash. The only thing that can really stop it is forced government population control, a global pandemic, or some other widespread disaster that kills off a huge percentage of the world population. None of these seem particularly desirable.Or, perhaps, the world could be saved with a sudden burst of global education that teaches people to think about the long-term consequences of their own actions, but I'm not betting on that happening anytime soon. Even really smart people in first-world nations still burn up oil and use up resources as if there were no consequences. Education alone cannot save human civilization from destroying itself. Smart people are not necessarily ecologically- aware people. In

fact, you could argue that the most highly-educated people on the planet are precisely those who are consuming the greatest natural resources. (Poor, uneducated populations don't consume much for the simple reason that they cannot afford to.)There's no way around it: We are on a track headed straight for our own destruction. A planet-wide collapse is coming sometime this century.If you think I'm wrong, I'd like to hear from you. I hope I'm wrong, and I'm looking for a reasoned argument that can offer a solution to our population problem -- preferably without resorting to government-run population control initiatives or forced one-child policies. Seriously: How can the human species now save itself from its own destruction? Even free energy technologies aren't the answer, as they don't solve the problems of running out of fossil water, topsoil, natural habitat or rare earth metals used in industrial processes. Free energy

will only cause the human population to explode even more rapidly, worsening the current problem of over-population.I challenge every person reading this to do the math. Run the numbers yourself. Look at the limited resources on our planet and compare them with the per-capita consumption facts associated with modern-day consumers. Then consider what happens when the population keeps expanding... and add to that the desire for poorer nations to "achieve" the consumption rates of first-world nations like the USA.If you do the math, you'll quickly see it doesn't add up. The projects all come to a screeching halt in the next hundred years (if not sooner). The population growth rates still under way lead to a literal dead end, given current rates of consumption.This may not be a popular topic to write about. Most people prefer to pretend this problem doesn't exist (much like the U.S. national debt). But it is, in reality, the

single largest problem facing the future of human civilization: How do we find a way to live in balance with our natural environment while sustaining a steady population.. . without turning our world into a population control police state?I personally cannot think of any acceptable solution to this problem that does not involve some sort of massive population control measure... and that solution is, itself, unthinkable

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[ ] Humans vs. the environment - A thought experiment Date: Thursday, June 24, 2010, 12:09 PM

How long have you been aware of this? For me, it's been a few years. Have I done anything about it? NOT Really!

Ok, so I try to cut back on driving the car. I run all of my errands at one time. But I haven't put my 3 wheel bicycle together, that could be used locally.

Have I cut back on electricity? Well, I don't unplug everything. I did switch to energy saving bulbs and I try to keep the electronics off, if I am not paying attention to them, like TVs. But to unplug everything, and only plug it in when we need it, is hard because of where the outlets are. Hmm. Will have to look into that.

Do I recycle. No, but our garbage pickup doesn't recycle. But I could separate the plastic, glass & paper from rest of the junk and take them to where ever they have drops.

Do I purchase because I want something or need it? Oh, It's needed or I won't buy it.

Do I collect rain for water plants? Well we do have one rainbarrel now and I am please with it, so we will be adding more of the same.

What other ways, can we as individuals do to help save? The first that we need to do, it make All aware of the critical need of saving our environment. It's going to be difficult. Americans are spoiled. They want life easy. They are impractical. Instead of driving an economical vehicle, if they can afford to, they will buy a gas hog. Even if they can't afford it, they will buy it for the status symbol. Americans are so busy, we don't look farther than our noses. It needs to change, as the article below points out. It's going to take effort on our parts. Blessings, Joy

http://www.naturaln ews.com/029056_ environmental_ protection_ population_ control.html

Humans vs. the environment - A thought experiment

(NaturalNews) Protecting the environment isn't a "liberal" idea; it's everybody's business. Liberal or conservative, Democrat or Republican, the environment provides life support for us all, and if we fail to recognize that, we are truly doomed as a civilization.To help explain this, I've put together a simple thought experiment. It begins with three undeniable truths about humans and the environment:Truth #1 - The Earth's resources are limited.This should be self-evidence, but some people still don't get it. The Earth's resources -- oil, forests, water, energy, and so on -- are finite. They do not exist in infinite quantities. If they did, they would obviously be larger than the Earth itself (and would, in fact, fill the universe). But they don't fill the universe. They are contained within the boundaries of planet Earth, and therefore they are limited.Of course, many of Earth's resources can be either regenerated or recycled, but that only happens over time -- usually a long time. In the case of oil, it's hundreds of thousands of years. For fossil water it's much the same. The rate at which modern human civilization is using up these resources is orders of magnitude faster than the rate at which they can be naturally regenerated. This holds true for oil, water, topsoil, forests and more.Truth #2 - Each person living in modern civilization consumes some amount of the Earth's limited resources.This should also be self-evident: People consume resources. When you drive your car, you're obviously consuming limited natural resources. When you buy a car, you're consuming many other natural resources (all the elements that went into making a car), too. This is true even when you buy a solar panel.Every time you turn on a light switch, or open a package of food, or swallow a piece of food, you are consuming some amount of the Earth's limited resources.The sum of your consumption is called your "ecological footprint," and your ecological footprint is much larger than the immediate space you might call your home. The things you consume in your home require the resources of a much larger area far outside your home.A human child born in America today, for example, will consume 45,000 pounds of metal in their lifetime (through the products they purchase). That's 45,000 pounds of metal that must be mined, processed, transported and manufactured into consumable products, and metal mining is a very dirty business, by the way, even if that metal goes into making clean energy devices such as wind turbines.Truth #3 - Humans are altering the environmentYou can't argue with this (although some people ridiculously try). Human activity is altering our environment in a huge way, from the massive deforestation of the planet to the release of gases into the atmosphere. We've poisoned the rivers, destroyed natural habitat, polluted the oceans (Gulf of Mexico, anyone?) and altered the chemical composition of the atmosphere. These are undeniable scientific truths. No sane person can reasonably argue that human beings have not radically altered the environment of our planet over the last 200 years.If you visited North America 200 years ago, for example, you wouldn't even have recognized it as the same continent dominated by human beings today. A few hundred years ago, North America was teeming with life, with huge old-growth forests, pristine rivers and abundant plains. Today it is relatively dead, having been over-developed, over-paved and over-population to a point so extreme that our ancestors would largely consider it "dead".Truth #4 - Humans really like to have babiesThis is also self-evidence: People like to procreate. Every family, it seems, wants children, and those children want their own children, too. In general, human beings want to procreate without limitation. This, of course, leads to an explosion in population growth. We've seen this explosion over the last two hundred years as the Earth's population has grown from less than one billion people in 1800 to nearly seven billion today.Human beings do not consider their impact on the global population when they procreate. The decision to have children is made privately, selfishly, without regard to the impact on the planet. One more child seems like no big deal from the point of view of a couple that wishes for another son or daughter, but multiplied by billions, these decisions to procreate en masse lead to overpopulation, which leads to over-consumption of the planet's limited resources.

The Easter Island effectNow let's work our little thought experiment. Given the four simple truths described above, it is only a matter of time before the continued procreation of human beings collides with the reality of limited resources, causing a crisis of unsustainability.At some point, in other words, the continued expansion of human beings will destroy so much of the natural environment (and use so many natural resources) that there will not be enough resources available to support the continuation of the existing population.I call this the "Easter Island effect," in reference to the way in which the natives of Easter Island chopped down all their trees to build ever-larger monuments to themselves, and in doing so they destroyed their entire ecosystem and soon perished. The entire human civilization is now pulling an Easter Island on a global scale.

Our two choicesGiven that the unlimited expansion of the human population must inevitably use up key resources required to sustain human life, it stands to reason that there are only two choices for how we human beings can choose to deal with the situation:Choice #1 - We can acknowledge the ecological impact of human beings on our planet and make conscious choices to live within the bounds of sustainable balance with our planet (i.e. keeping our population size relatively stable by limiting runaway population growth, reducing our ecological footprint, respecting the natural environment that supports life on our planet, etc.).Choice #2 - We can continue our mindless population expansion and resource exploitation while ignoring any long-term consequences. This is the definition of stupidity, and yet it is precisely the path that modern human civilization is now choosing. It also seems to be the chosen path of "anti-environmental ists" -- people who resist the idea that we need to protect the environment at all.Sadly, human civilization has decided to go with choice #2. I believe the future of modern civilization is now set. Population expansion and resource depletion will soon collide with the limitations of our planet and result in a cataclysmic collapse of our civilization. We human beings are pulling off the Easter Island scenario, but with more than just trees: We're doing it with oil, water, soil and habitat. We are destroying the only planet that can keep us alive, and there now appears to be no stopping this self-destructive tendency of the human species.I have personally seen no evidence that the current human species is capable of long-term, sustainable balance with any ecosystem. It lacks the intelligent foresight necessary to anticipate such outcomes and make adjustments well in advance of them coming true. Some people among us even argue against environmental protection, not realizing they are essentially arguing for their own self-destruction.Other who are more thoughtful argue only against the fear of a world government enforcing environmental regulations at the expense of losing personal freedoms. This is a legitimate concern, and I happen to agree with these concerns. "Protecting the environment" can all too easily become a slippery mantra for world domination over individual freedom. The best way to avoid losing freedom while saving our environment is through education of the public that urges people to make better decisions without turning them into criminals if they fail to make those decisions.

Can humanity save itself?Saving human civilization from its own ignorance is no easy task. It will require intelligent, forward-thinking business leaders who see the long-term picture and who genuinely care about the future. Yet sadly, there is no such thing. Business leaders are, by definition, focused on the next fiscal quarter, not the next century. They will ALWAYS mortgage our collective future to increase their immediate profits.There is almost no such thing as a successful business person who is simultaneously an effective steward of our planet's natural resources. The simple act of generating more business -- in any business -- always results in more consumption because our entire economic system is based on consumption. It's even true about internet businesses, by the way. Every bit and byte you consume over the internet has an indirect environmental cost due to the electricity consumption of the CPUs delivering that content to you as well as, more importantly, the enormous cooling demand in data centers that spend fortunes just cooling all the computers running there.The fact that our economic activity is fundamentally based on consumption rather than conservation demonstrates why humanity is doomed to destroy itself. After seeing the failure of so many environmental summits, I'm convinced of it. I don't see any possible way that human beings will suddenly gain the intelligence and foresight necessary to live in balance with our natural world. Not without a crisis to teach everybody a few lessons, anyway. But even the Gulf Coast disaster isn't fundamentally changing the way business leaders think about consumption. They think it's just an "oil problem" not a global problem with the business models that drive our world into a self-destructive cycle of mindless consumption.

What may be coming in the next few yearsWhen the population continues to expand and most of the world's resources are wiped out, the human population will plunge into a time of great darkness. The loss of life will be immense -- perhaps as much as a 90% reduction in the planetary population. Ecosystems will fail, crops will fail and civilization itself will be brought to its knees. It won't take much to crash the current global system. Once the power grid is down for as little as 5 days, there's almost no bringing civilization back -- at least not modern civilization as we know it.Once the population is drastically reduced, the natural environment will have a chance to recover. Plants and animals will re-populate areas once lost to high-density human populations. And once the abundance returns, humans will again have the abundance necessary to re-populate, too. Hopefully future generations of human beings will learn from our present mistakes and not pursue the same path we did -- the path of endless consumption of the planet's resources to the point of destruction.On a long time scale, you will likely see human population rising, then crashing, then rising again from the ashes of a collapsed civilization. This is the ebb and flow of the future of life on Earth. You might even call it a "natural" cycle of human population expansion, then collapse, followed by expansion and yet more collapse. It's very similar to the way a virus invades a human body and multiplies until it kills the very host that once gave it life. In terms of big-picture behavior, humans are much like a virus on our planet.This cycle of destruction and rebirth could be balanced out, though, by a sufficiently intelligent species gifted with sufficient foresight to see what's coming and make early adjustments to avoid the population collapse. Our current human species, sadly, is not sufficiently intelligent to do so.

The corporate greed machineI hadn't really accepted this outcome as reality until just recently. I've always maintained a more optimistic attitude, thinking that we could find innovative ways to reverse climate change, reduce consumption, educate people and invent new technologies to clean up the planetary messes we've made. But I can now see that we're up against corporate monsters that are relentlessly pushing for our collective destruction.They're destroying our seeds and genes (for profit, no less), our soils, rivers, oceans and lands. They're corrupting our minds with pro-business propaganda and our bodies with their chemicals poisons. And they absolutely will not stop until every last exploitable resource on the planet has been used up and sold to a consumer. When our world is dominated by Monsanto, DuPont, oil companies, pharmaceutical companies, weapons manufacturers, junk food giants and chemical companies, there's not much hope for meaningful change that could set humanity on a new course of conservation and protection of life.Sadly, there is no stopping the great corporate greed machine. It will keep rolling forward, aiming for more growth, more consumption and more exploitation until the very last drop of oil is squeezed out of the tar sands and every last tree is slashed to make room for cattle ranching.A profit-based economic model cannot coexist with environmental protection because the two concepts are opposites. Big Business depends on endless growth, expansion, exploitation and consumption. But the environment can only be protected by consuming less. And that's not even in the vocabulary of today's business executives. The idea of consuming less is the antithesis of corporate profit and expansion.Have you ever seen a Coca-Cola ad that urged you to "drink less Coke"?That's why as long as corporations rule our world (and make no mistake, they already do), there is no saving the environment. Ergo, there is no saving ourselves from a complete civilization blowout that will eventually see the near-destruction of our natural world... with the collapse of the human population to soon follow.

The thought experiment - SimEarthImagine you're playing a software game called SimEarth. (Such a game actually exists, I believe, but I'm not referring to any real game. This is a fictional exercise.)In this SimEarth game, you get 1 point for every year that one human being is alive on planet Earth. The simulation runs for 1000 years and begins in the year we know as 1500 A.D.In the game, just as in the real world, the survival of human beings depends on the people having access to food, water, shelter, safety and other essentials. When the game begins, you have a blank slate SimEarth planet with enormous untapped resources of fossil oil, fossil water, old-growth forests, abundant ocean life and incredible biodiversity on land and sea. The human population is relatively small, perhaps only a few million people.As the game progresses and the years tick by, you start earning more and more points by allowing the human population to multiply. At one point, you turn on the invention of the combustion engine coupled with the discovery of oil, and then things really begin to accelerate: Food production suddenly multiplies, making food resources incredibly cheap and abundant, leading to a population explosion.As the points keep racking up, you watch as your SimEarth world becomes increasingly taken over by humans. The old growth forests are cut down and replaced with farm lands and cattle ranches. The once-abundant populations of wild animals are replaced by concrete highways and housing developments. Fossil water supplies drop sharply and oil drilling rigs pump out a heavy portion of the planet's remaining oil resources.Your points are really accelerating now as you watch the human population blow past four billion people, then five, and then six. At that point, on-screen statistics begin to flash red, warning you that world's oil, water, food, soil and ocean health are all reaching critical levels of deficiency. Although you're earning big points from all the human activity, the environmental cost of supporting all those people is now threatening the ecological stability of the planetary ecosystem.It is at this point you realize that, to beat the high score, you need to keep your human population alive at some level for the next 500 years, and yet the planet's resources are running out, reaching depletion in just 50 years or less. What should you do?You decide to just watch and see what happens. With your eyes fixated on the screen, the years tick past. Twenty-five years further into the simulation, the oil runs out, thrusting your simulated societies into an energy crisis. Without cheap, plentiful oil, food production grinds to a halt. Mass starvation takes hold in just one year, leading to disease and the unleashing of a global pandemic. Over the next five years, the human population suffers a massive, catastrophic die-off, plummeting to less than a billion people. Your once-awesome score now looks pitiful: Human civilization crashed and you'll never win the simulation now. Game over.This is the outcome facing modern human civilization. .. and it's no game. The possibility is very real. Unless something drastic is done to find a balance between human consumption (which is directly tied to population) and the natural environment that supports us all, our population is going to crash, too. It is a simple matter of biology.

The population problem no one dares speak ofThere's no way around this sobering thought: Population is the problem. There are too many people consuming too much stuff. It cannot be sustained -- especially not at the very high rates of consumption our western world has grown used to.To solve this dilemma, you can either reduce the population over time (through one-child policies, for example) or reduce consumption (through a variety of means), but you've got to do something. In no way do I support the idea of a one-child policy, by the way. I don't support government intervention in our private lives, and I don't support governments mandating personal limits on our carbon consumption. But then again, if something radical doesn't change, it's fairly obvious that the human population is simply going to keep expanding until key resources are all dried up. And that, of course, will result in a devastating crash of the human population.So there you have it: The price for our expansionistic, high-consumption lifestyles today is eventually going to be the blowout of human civilization in the future, followed by a sharp population crash. The only thing that can really stop it is forced government population control, a global pandemic, or some other widespread disaster that kills off a huge percentage of the world population. None of these seem particularly desirable.Or, perhaps, the world could be saved with a sudden burst of global education that teaches people to think about the long-term consequences of their own actions, but I'm not betting on that happening anytime soon. Even really smart people in first-world nations still burn up oil and use up resources as if there were no consequences. Education alone cannot save human civilization from destroying itself. Smart people are not necessarily ecologically- aware people. In fact, you could argue that the most highly-educated people on the planet are precisely those who are consuming the greatest natural resources. (Poor, uneducated populations don't consume much for the simple reason that they cannot afford to.)There's no way around it: We are on a track headed straight for our own destruction. A planet-wide collapse is coming sometime this century.If you think I'm wrong, I'd like to hear from you. I hope I'm wrong, and I'm looking for a reasoned argument that can offer a solution to our population problem -- preferably without resorting to government-run population control initiatives or forced one-child policies. Seriously: How can the human species now save itself from its own destruction? Even free energy technologies aren't the answer, as they don't solve the problems of running out of fossil water, topsoil, natural habitat or rare earth metals used in industrial processes. Free energy will only cause the human population to explode even more rapidly, worsening the current problem of over-population.I challenge every person reading this to do the math. Run the numbers yourself. Look at the limited resources on our planet and compare them with the per-capita consumption facts associated with modern-day consumers. Then consider what happens when the population keeps expanding... and add to that the desire for poorer nations to "achieve" the consumption rates of first-world nations like the USA.If you do the math, you'll quickly see it doesn't add up. The projects all come to a screeching halt in the next hundred years (if not sooner). The population growth rates still under way lead to a literal dead end, given current rates of consumption.This may not be a popular topic to write about. Most people prefer to pretend this problem doesn't exist (much like the U.S. national debt). But it is, in reality, the single largest problem facing the future of human civilization: How do we find a way to live in balance with our natural environment while sustaining a steady population.. . without turning our world into a population control police state?I personally cannot think of any acceptable solution to this problem that does not involve some sort of massive population control measure... and that solution is, itself, unthinkable

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yes, hangers, that will work fine. I am going to get me a clothes line and hang it in my yard, glad we had this talk, I could save a good amount of money on my electric bill. Just gotta buy the clothes line and Greg said he would hang it for me! what a guy!!Sorry about your plants and garden though, too hot and humid I guess by you, huh? it got hot too fast then I am guessing. It was so hot yesterday here, and I am not used to it because of all the wet and cold weather we had recently. But my squash plants just love this weather and they grew so much over the last few days.My tomatoes have to go in the ground, we have to make a new gardens for them. We had gotten a big truck load of composted top soil in March, so that is no problem there, just need to strength, good thing I got a 17 yr old to help! I have about 20

beef steak tomato plants and sweet 100's to go in, and then I gotta get some peppers too, I didnt have much luck in the seedlings, only 2 came up.PS!! composting as e said.. is also a good way to save energy. I have 3 compost piles going at one time, and we get to use the soil after it sits over the winter, all we have are red earth worms to eat up the compost, we dont need to buy those enzymes they suggest, it works without it.Now we don't put egg shells in the compost any more, we were told that earth worms don't like egg shells or citrus, so we burn the egg shells and citrus in the wood stove or burn pile. It takes too long to decompost egg shells.En-Joy!Michele

From: Joyce Hudson <bjoyfuliglou (DOT) com>Subject: [ ] Humans vs. the environment - A thought experiment Date: Thursday, June 24, 2010, 12:09 PM

How long have you been aware of this? For me, it's been a few years. Have I done anything about it? NOT Really!

Ok, so I try to cut back on driving the car. I run all of my errands at one time. But I haven't put my 3 wheel bicycle together, that could be used locally.

Have I cut back on electricity? Well, I don't unplug everything. I did switch to energy saving bulbs and I try to keep the electronics off, if I am not paying attention to them, like TVs. But to unplug everything, and only plug it in when we need it, is hard because of where the outlets are. Hmm. Will have to look into that.

Do I recycle. No, but our garbage pickup doesn't recycle. But I could separate the plastic, glass & paper from rest of the junk and take them to where ever they have drops.

Do I purchase because I want something or need it? Oh, It's needed or I won't buy it.

Do I collect rain for water plants? Well we do have one rainbarrel now and I am please with it, so we will be adding more of the same.

What other ways, can we as individuals do to help save? The first that we need to do, it make All aware of the critical need of saving our environment. It's going to be difficult. Americans are spoiled. They want life easy. They are impractical. Instead of driving an economical vehicle, if they can afford to, they will buy a gas hog. Even if they can't afford it, they will buy it for the status symbol. Americans are so busy, we don't look farther than our noses. It needs to change, as the article below points out. It's going to take effort on our parts. Blessings, Joy

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Humans vs. the environment - A thought experiment

(NaturalNews) Protecting the environment isn't a "liberal" idea; it's everybody's business. Liberal or conservative, Democrat or Republican, the environment provides life support for us all, and if we fail to recognize that, we are truly doomed as a civilization.To help explain this, I've put together a simple thought experiment. It begins with three undeniable truths about humans and the environment:Truth #1 - The Earth's resources are limited.This should be self-evidence, but some people still don't get it. The Earth's resources -- oil, forests, water, energy, and so on -- are finite. They do not exist in infinite quantities. If they did, they would obviously be larger than the Earth itself (and would, in fact, fill the universe). But they don't fill the universe. They are contained within the boundaries of planet Earth, and therefore they are limited.Of course, many of Earth's resources can be either regenerated or recycled, but that only happens over time -- usually a long time. In the case of oil, it's hundreds of thousands of years. For fossil water it's much the same. The rate at which modern human civilization is using up these resources is orders of magnitude faster than the rate at which they can be naturally regenerated. This holds true for oil, water, topsoil, forests and more.Truth #2 - Each person living in modern civilization consumes some amount of the Earth's limited resources.This should also be self-evident: People consume resources. When you drive your car, you're obviously consuming limited natural resources. When you buy a car, you're consuming many other natural resources (all the elements that went into making a car), too. This is true even when you buy a solar panel.Every time you turn on a light switch, or open a package of food, or swallow a piece of food, you are consuming some amount of the Earth's limited resources.The sum of your consumption is called your "ecological footprint," and your ecological footprint is much larger than the immediate space you might call your home. The things you consume in your home require the resources of a much larger area far outside your home.A human child born in America today, for example, will consume 45,000 pounds of metal in their lifetime (through the products they purchase). That's 45,000 pounds of metal that must be mined, processed, transported and manufactured into consumable products, and metal mining is a very dirty business, by the way, even if that metal goes into making clean energy devices such as wind turbines.Truth #3 - Humans are altering the environmentYou can't argue with this (although some people ridiculously try). Human activity is altering our environment in a huge way, from the massive deforestation of the planet to the release of gases into the atmosphere. We've poisoned the rivers, destroyed natural habitat, polluted the oceans (Gulf of Mexico, anyone?) and altered the chemical composition of the atmosphere. These are undeniable scientific truths. No sane person can reasonably argue that human beings have not radically altered the environment of our planet over the last 200 years.If you visited North America 200 years ago, for example, you wouldn't even have recognized it as the same continent dominated by human beings today. A few hundred years ago, North America was teeming with life, with huge old-growth forests, pristine rivers and abundant plains. Today it is relatively dead, having been over-developed, over-paved and over-population to a point so extreme that our ancestors would largely consider it "dead".Truth #4 - Humans really like to have babiesThis is also self-evidence: People like to procreate. Every family, it seems, wants children, and those children want their own children, too. In general, human beings want to procreate without limitation. This, of course, leads to an explosion in population growth. We've seen this explosion over the last two hundred years as the Earth's population has grown from less than one billion people in 1800 to nearly seven billion today.Human beings do not consider their impact on the global population when they procreate. The decision to have children is made privately, selfishly, without regard to the impact on the planet. One more child seems like no big deal from the point of view of a couple that wishes for another son or daughter, but multiplied by billions, these decisions to procreate en masse lead to overpopulation, which leads to over-consumption of the planet's limited resources.

The Easter Island effectNow let's work our little thought experiment. Given the four simple truths described above, it is only a matter of time before the continued procreation of human beings collides with the reality of limited resources, causing a crisis of unsustainability.At some point, in other words, the continued expansion of human beings will destroy so much of the natural environment (and use so many natural resources) that there will not be enough resources available to support the continuation of the existing population.I call this the "Easter Island effect," in reference to the way in which the natives of Easter Island chopped down all their trees to build ever-larger monuments to themselves, and in doing so they destroyed their entire ecosystem and soon perished. The entire human civilization is now pulling an Easter Island on a global scale.

Our two choicesGiven that the unlimited expansion of the human population must inevitably use up key resources required to sustain human life, it stands to reason that there are only two choices for how we human beings can choose to deal with the situation:Choice #1 - We can acknowledge the ecological impact of human beings on our planet and make conscious choices to live within the bounds of sustainable balance with our planet (i.e. keeping our population size relatively stable by limiting runaway population growth, reducing our ecological footprint, respecting the natural environment that supports life on our planet, etc.).Choice #2 - We can continue our mindless population expansion and resource exploitation while ignoring any long-term consequences. This is the definition of stupidity, and yet it is precisely the path that modern human civilization is now choosing. It also seems to be the chosen path of "anti-environmental ists" -- people who resist the idea that we need to protect the environment at all.Sadly, human civilization has decided to go with choice #2. I believe the future of modern civilization is now set. Population expansion and resource depletion will soon collide with the limitations of our planet and result in a cataclysmic collapse of our civilization. We human beings are pulling off the Easter Island scenario, but with more than just trees: We're doing it with oil, water, soil and habitat. We are destroying the only planet that can keep us alive, and there now appears to be no stopping this self-destructive tendency of the human species.I have personally seen no evidence that the current human species is capable of long-term, sustainable balance with any ecosystem. It lacks the intelligent foresight necessary to anticipate such outcomes and make adjustments well in advance of them coming true. Some people among us even argue against environmental protection, not realizing they are essentially arguing for their own self-destruction.Other who are more thoughtful argue only against the fear of a world government enforcing environmental regulations at the expense of losing personal freedoms. This is a legitimate concern, and I happen to agree with these concerns. "Protecting the environment" can all too easily become a slippery mantra for world domination over individual freedom. The best way to avoid losing freedom while saving our environment is through education of the public that urges people to make better decisions without turning them into criminals if they fail to make those decisions.

Can humanity save itself?Saving human civilization from its own ignorance is no easy task. It will require intelligent, forward-thinking business leaders who see the long-term picture and who genuinely care about the future. Yet sadly, there is no such thing. Business leaders are, by definition, focused on the next fiscal quarter, not the next century. They will ALWAYS mortgage our collective future to increase their immediate profits.There is almost no such thing as a successful business person who is simultaneously an effective steward of our planet's natural resources. The simple act of generating more business -- in any business -- always results in more consumption because our entire economic system is based on consumption. It's even true about internet businesses, by the way. Every bit and byte you consume over the internet has an indirect environmental cost due to the electricity consumption of the CPUs delivering that content to you as well as, more importantly, the enormous cooling demand in data centers that spend fortunes just cooling all the computers running there.The fact that our economic activity is fundamentally based on consumption rather than conservation demonstrates why humanity is doomed to destroy itself. After seeing the failure of so many environmental summits, I'm convinced of it. I don't see any possible way that human beings will suddenly gain the intelligence and foresight necessary to live in balance with our natural world. Not without a crisis to teach everybody a few lessons, anyway. But even the Gulf Coast disaster isn't fundamentally changing the way business leaders think about consumption. They think it's just an "oil problem" not a global problem with the business models that drive our world into a self-destructive cycle of mindless consumption.

What may be coming in the next few yearsWhen the population continues to expand and most of the world's resources are wiped out, the human population will plunge into a time of great darkness. The loss of life will be immense -- perhaps as much as a 90% reduction in the planetary population. Ecosystems will fail, crops will fail and civilization itself will be brought to its knees. It won't take much to crash the current global system. Once the power grid is down for as little as 5 days, there's almost no bringing civilization back -- at least not modern civilization as we know it.Once the population is drastically reduced, the natural environment will have a chance to recover. Plants and animals will re-populate areas once lost to high-density human populations. And once the abundance returns, humans will again have the abundance necessary to re-populate, too. Hopefully future generations of human beings will learn from our present mistakes and not pursue the same path we did -- the path of endless consumption of the planet's resources to the point of destruction.On a long time scale, you will likely see human population rising, then crashing, then rising again from the ashes of a collapsed civilization. This is the ebb and flow of the future of life on Earth. You might even call it a "natural" cycle of human population expansion, then collapse, followed by expansion and yet more collapse. It's very similar to the way a virus invades a human body and multiplies until it kills the very host that once gave it life. In terms of big-picture behavior, humans are much like a virus on our planet.This cycle of destruction and rebirth could be balanced out, though, by a sufficiently intelligent species gifted with sufficient foresight to see what's coming and make early adjustments to avoid the population collapse. Our current human species, sadly, is not sufficiently intelligent to do so.

The corporate greed machineI hadn't really accepted this outcome as reality until just recently. I've always maintained a more optimistic attitude, thinking that we could find innovative ways to reverse climate change, reduce consumption, educate people and invent new technologies to clean up the planetary messes we've made. But I can now see that we're up against corporate monsters that are relentlessly pushing for our collective destruction.They're destroying our seeds and genes (for profit, no less), our soils, rivers, oceans and lands. They're corrupting our minds with pro-business propaganda and our bodies with their chemicals poisons. And they absolutely will not stop until every last exploitable resource on the planet has been used up and sold to a consumer. When our world is dominated by Monsanto, DuPont, oil companies, pharmaceutical companies, weapons manufacturers, junk food giants and chemical companies, there's not much hope for meaningful change that could set humanity on a new course of conservation and protection of life.Sadly, there is no stopping the great corporate greed machine. It will keep rolling forward, aiming for more growth, more consumption and more exploitation until the very last drop of oil is squeezed out of the tar sands and every last tree is slashed to make room for cattle ranching.A profit-based economic model cannot coexist with environmental protection because the two concepts are opposites. Big Business depends on endless growth, expansion, exploitation and consumption. But the environment can only be protected by consuming less. And that's not even in the vocabulary of today's business executives. The idea of consuming less is the antithesis of corporate profit and expansion.Have you ever seen a Coca-Cola ad that urged you to "drink less Coke"?That's why as long as corporations rule our world (and make no mistake, they already do), there is no saving the environment. Ergo, there is no saving ourselves from a complete civilization blowout that will eventually see the near-destruction of our natural world... with the collapse of the human population to soon follow.

The thought experiment - SimEarthImagine you're playing a software game called SimEarth. (Such a game actually exists, I believe, but I'm not referring to any real game. This is a fictional exercise.)In this SimEarth game, you get 1 point for every year that one human being is alive on planet Earth. The simulation runs for 1000 years and begins in the year we know as 1500 A.D.In the game, just as in the real world, the survival of human beings depends on the people having access to food, water, shelter, safety and other essentials. When the game begins, you have a blank slate SimEarth planet with enormous untapped resources of fossil oil, fossil water, old-growth forests, abundant ocean life and incredible biodiversity on land and sea. The human population is relatively small, perhaps only a few million people.As the game progresses and the years tick by, you start earning more and more points by allowing the human population to multiply. At one point, you turn on the invention of the combustion engine coupled with the discovery of oil, and then things really begin to accelerate: Food production suddenly multiplies, making food resources incredibly cheap and abundant, leading to a population explosion.As the points keep racking up, you watch as your SimEarth world becomes increasingly taken over by humans. The old growth forests are cut down and replaced with farm lands and cattle ranches. The once-abundant populations of wild animals are replaced by concrete highways and housing developments. Fossil water supplies drop sharply and oil drilling rigs pump out a heavy portion of the planet's remaining oil resources.Your points are really accelerating now as you watch the human population blow past four billion people, then five, and then six. At that point, on-screen statistics begin to flash red, warning you that world's oil, water, food, soil and ocean health are all reaching critical levels of deficiency. Although you're earning big points from all the human activity, the environmental cost of supporting all those people is now threatening the ecological stability of the planetary ecosystem.It is at this point you realize that, to beat the high score, you need to keep your human population alive at some level for the next 500 years, and yet the planet's resources are running out, reaching depletion in just 50 years or less. What should you do?You decide to just watch and see what happens. With your eyes fixated on the screen, the years tick past. Twenty-five years further into the simulation, the oil runs out, thrusting your simulated societies into an energy crisis. Without cheap, plentiful oil, food production grinds to a halt. Mass starvation takes hold in just one year, leading to disease and the unleashing of a global pandemic. Over the next five years, the human population suffers a massive, catastrophic die-off, plummeting to less than a billion people. Your once-awesome score now looks pitiful: Human civilization crashed and you'll never win the simulation now. Game over.This is the outcome facing modern human civilization. .. and it's no game. The possibility is very real. Unless something drastic is done to find a balance between human consumption (which is directly tied to population) and the natural environment that supports us all, our population is going to crash, too. It is a simple matter of biology.

The population problem no one dares speak ofThere's no way around this sobering thought: Population is the problem. There are too many people consuming too much stuff. It cannot be sustained -- especially not at the very high rates of consumption our western world has grown used to.To solve this dilemma, you can either reduce the population over time (through one-child policies, for example) or reduce consumption (through a variety of means), but you've got to do something. In no way do I support the idea of a one-child policy, by the way. I don't support government intervention in our private lives, and I don't support governments mandating personal limits on our carbon consumption. But then again, if something radical doesn't change, it's fairly obvious that the human population is simply going to keep expanding until key resources are all dried up. And that, of course, will result in a devastating crash of the human population.So there you have it: The price for our expansionistic, high-consumption lifestyles today is eventually going to be the blowout of human civilization in the future, followed by a sharp population crash. The only thing that can really stop it is forced government population control, a global pandemic, or some other widespread disaster that kills off a huge percentage of the world population. None of these seem particularly desirable.Or, perhaps, the world could be saved with a sudden burst of global education that teaches people to think about the long-term consequences of their own actions, but I'm not betting on that happening anytime soon. Even really smart people in first-world nations still burn up oil and use up resources as if there were no consequences. Education alone cannot save human civilization from destroying itself. Smart people are not necessarily ecologically- aware people. In fact, you could argue that the most highly-educated people on the planet are precisely those who are consuming the greatest natural resources. (Poor, uneducated populations don't consume much for the simple reason that they cannot afford to.)There's no way around it: We are on a track headed straight for our own destruction. A planet-wide collapse is coming sometime this century.If you think I'm wrong, I'd like to hear from you. I hope I'm wrong, and I'm looking for a reasoned argument that can offer a solution to our population problem -- preferably without resorting to government-run population control initiatives or forced one-child policies. Seriously: How can the human species now save itself from its own destruction? Even free energy technologies aren't the answer, as they don't solve the problems of running out of fossil water, topsoil, natural habitat or rare earth metals used in industrial processes. Free energy will only cause the human population to explode even more rapidly, worsening the current problem of over-population.I challenge every person reading this to do the math. Run the numbers yourself. Look at the limited resources on our planet and compare them with the per-capita consumption facts associated with modern-day consumers. Then consider what happens when the population keeps expanding... and add to that the desire for poorer nations to "achieve" the consumption rates of first-world nations like the USA.If you do the math, you'll quickly see it doesn't add up. The projects all come to a screeching halt in the next hundred years (if not sooner). The population growth rates still under way lead to a literal dead end, given current rates of consumption.This may not be a popular topic to write about. Most people prefer to pretend this problem doesn't exist (much like the U.S. national debt). But it is, in reality, the single largest problem facing the future of human civilization: How do we find a way to live in balance with our natural environment while sustaining a steady population.. . without turning our world into a population control police state?I personally cannot think of any acceptable solution to this problem that does not involve some sort of massive population control measure... and that solution is, itself, unthinkable

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Hi Michele, for eggshells use an old or an old electrical coffee grinder and the eggshells become like powder. If too much snails around my plants then I use it to make a kind of protection for the plants, if not then I put the powder in the compost.

From: michele horton <epifany97523@...> Sent: Sun, June 27, 2010 5:16:02 PMSubject: Re: [ ] Humans vs. the environment - A thought experiment

yes, hangers, that will work fine. I am going to get me a clothes line and hang it in my yard, glad we had this talk, I could save a good amount of money on my electric bill. Just gotta buy the clothes line and Greg said he would hang it for me! what a guy!!

Sorry about your plants and garden though, too hot and humid I guess by you, huh? it got hot too fast then I am guessing. It was so hot yesterday here, and I am not used to it because of all the wet and cold weather we had recently. But my squash plants just love this weather and they grew so much over the last few days.

My tomatoes have to go in the ground, we have to make a new gardens for them. We had gotten a big truck load of composted top soil in March, so that is no problem there, just need to strength, good thing I got a 17 yr old to help! I have about 20 beef steak tomato plants and sweet 100's to go in, and then I gotta get some peppers too, I didnt have much luck in the seedlings, only 2 came up.

PS!! composting as e said.. is also a good way to save energy. I have 3 compost piles going at one time, and we get to use the soil after it sits over the winter, all we have are red earth worms to eat up the compost, we dont need to buy those enzymes they suggest, it works without it.

Now we don't put egg shells in the compost any more, we were told that earth worms don't like egg shells or citrus, so we burn the egg shells and citrus in the wood stove or burn pile. It takes too long to decompost egg shells.

En-Joy!

Michele

From: Joyce Hudson <bjoyfuliglou (DOT) com>Subject: [ ] Humans vs. the environment - A thought experiment Date: Thursday, June 24, 2010, 12:09 PM

How long have you been aware of this? For me, it's been a few years. Have I done anything about it? NOT Really!

Ok, so I try to cut back on driving the car. I run all of my errands at one time. But I haven't put my 3 wheel bicycle together, that could be used locally.

Have I cut back on electricity? Well, I don't unplug everything. I did switch to energy saving bulbs and I try to keep the electronics off, if I am not paying attention to them, like TVs. But to unplug everything, and only plug it in when we need it, is hard because of where the outlets are. Hmm. Will have to look into that.

Do I recycle. No, but our garbage pickup doesn't recycle. But I could separate the plastic, glass & paper from rest of the junk and take them to where ever they have drops.

Do I purchase because I want something or need it? Oh, It's needed or I won't buy it.

Do I collect rain for water plants? Well we do have one rainbarrel now and I am please with it, so we will be adding more of the same.

What other ways, can we as individuals do to help save? The first that we need to do, it make All aware of the critical need of saving our environment. It's going to be difficult. Americans are spoiled. They want life easy. They are impractical. Instead of driving an economical vehicle, if they can afford to, they will buy a gas hog. Even if they can't afford it, they will buy it for the status symbol. Americans are so busy, we don't look farther than our noses. It needs to change, as the article below points out. It's going to take effort on our parts. Blessings, Joy

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Humans vs. the environment - A thought experiment

(NaturalNews) Protecting the environment isn't a "liberal" idea; it's everybody's business. Liberal or conservative, Democrat or Republican, the environment provides life support for us all, and if we fail to recognize that, we are truly doomed as a civilization.To help explain this, I've put together a simple thought experiment. It begins with three undeniable truths about humans and the environment:Truth #1 - The Earth's resources are limited.This should be self-evidence, but some people still don't get it. The Earth's resources -- oil, forests, water, energy, and so on -- are finite. They do not exist in infinite quantities. If they did, they would obviously be larger than the Earth itself (and would, in fact, fill the universe). But they don't fill the universe. They are contained within the boundaries of planet Earth, and therefore they are limited.Of course, many

of Earth's resources can be either regenerated or recycled, but that only happens over time -- usually a long time. In the case of oil, it's hundreds of thousands of years. For fossil water it's much the same. The rate at which modern human civilization is using up these resources is orders of magnitude faster than the rate at which they can be naturally regenerated. This holds true for oil, water, topsoil, forests and more.Truth #2 - Each person living in modern civilization consumes some amount of the Earth's limited resources.This should also be self-evident: People consume resources. When you drive your car, you're obviously consuming limited natural resources. When you buy a car, you're consuming many other natural resources (all the elements that went into making a car), too. This is true even when you buy a solar panel.Every time you turn on a light switch, or open a

package of food, or swallow a piece of food, you are consuming some amount of the Earth's limited resources.The sum of your consumption is called your "ecological footprint," and your ecological footprint is much larger than the immediate space you might call your home. The things you consume in your home require the resources of a much larger area far outside your home.A human child born in America today, for example, will consume 45,000 pounds of metal in their lifetime (through the products they purchase). That's 45,000 pounds of metal that must be mined, processed, transported and manufactured into consumable products, and metal mining is a very dirty business, by the way, even if that metal goes into making clean energy devices such as wind turbines.Truth #3 - Humans are altering the environmentYou can't argue with this (although some people ridiculously try). Human activity is

altering our environment in a huge way, from the massive deforestation of the planet to the release of gases into the atmosphere. We've poisoned the rivers, destroyed natural habitat, polluted the oceans (Gulf of Mexico, anyone?) and altered the chemical composition of the atmosphere. These are undeniable scientific truths. No sane person can reasonably argue that human beings have not radically altered the environment of our planet over the last 200 years.If you visited North America 200 years ago, for example, you wouldn't even have recognized it as the same continent dominated by human beings today. A few hundred years ago, North America was teeming with life, with huge old-growth forests, pristine rivers and abundant plains. Today it is relatively dead, having been over-developed, over-paved and over-population to a point so extreme that our ancestors would largely consider it "dead".Truth #4 - Humans

really like to have babiesThis is also self-evidence: People like to procreate. Every family, it seems, wants children, and those children want their own children, too. In general, human beings want to procreate without limitation. This, of course, leads to an explosion in population growth. We've seen this explosion over the last two hundred years as the Earth's population has grown from less than one billion people in 1800 to nearly seven billion today.Human beings do not consider their impact on the global population when they procreate. The decision to have children is made privately, selfishly, without regard to the impact on the planet. One more child seems like no big deal from the point of view of a couple that wishes for another son or daughter, but multiplied by billions, these decisions to procreate en masse lead to overpopulation, which leads to over-consumption of the planet's limited

resources.

The Easter Island effectNow let's work our little thought experiment. Given the four simple truths described above, it is only a matter of time before the continued procreation of human beings collides with the reality of limited resources, causing a crisis of unsustainability.At some point, in other words, the continued expansion of human beings will destroy so much of the natural environment (and use so many natural resources) that there will not be enough resources available to support the continuation of the existing population.I call this the "Easter Island effect," in reference to the way in which the natives of Easter Island chopped down all their trees to build ever-larger monuments to themselves, and in doing so they destroyed their entire ecosystem and soon perished. The entire human civilization is now pulling an Easter Island on a global scale.

Our two choicesGiven that the unlimited expansion of the human population must inevitably use up key resources required to sustain human life, it stands to reason that there are only two choices for how we human beings can choose to deal with the situation:Choice #1 - We can acknowledge the ecological impact of human beings on our planet and make conscious choices to live within the bounds of sustainable balance with our planet (i.e. keeping our population size relatively stable by limiting runaway population growth, reducing our ecological footprint, respecting the natural environment that supports life on our planet, etc.).Choice #2 - We can continue our mindless population expansion and resource exploitation while ignoring any long-term consequences. This is the definition of stupidity, and yet it is precisely the path that modern human civilization is now choosing. It also seems

to be the chosen path of "anti-environmental ists" -- people who resist the idea that we need to protect the environment at all.Sadly, human civilization has decided to go with choice #2. I believe the future of modern civilization is now set. Population expansion and resource depletion will soon collide with the limitations of our planet and result in a cataclysmic collapse of our civilization. We human beings are pulling off the Easter Island scenario, but with more than just trees: We're doing it with oil, water, soil and habitat. We are destroying the only planet that can keep us alive, and there now appears to be no stopping this self-destructive tendency of the human species.I have personally seen no evidence that the current human species is capable of long-term, sustainable balance with any ecosystem. It lacks the intelligent foresight necessary to anticipate such outcomes and make adjustments well in advance of them

coming true. Some people among us even argue against environmental protection, not realizing they are essentially arguing for their own self-destruction.Other who are more thoughtful argue only against the fear of a world government enforcing environmental regulations at the expense of losing personal freedoms. This is a legitimate concern, and I happen to agree with these concerns. "Protecting the environment" can all too easily become a slippery mantra for world domination over individual freedom. The best way to avoid losing freedom while saving our environment is through education of the public that urges people to make better decisions without turning them into criminals if they fail to make those decisions.

Can humanity save itself?Saving human civilization from its own ignorance is no easy task. It will require intelligent, forward-thinking business leaders who see the long-term picture and who genuinely care about the future. Yet sadly, there is no such thing. Business leaders are, by definition, focused on the next fiscal quarter, not the next century. They will ALWAYS mortgage our collective future to increase their immediate profits.There is almost no such thing as a successful business person who is simultaneously an effective steward of our planet's natural resources. The simple act of generating more business -- in any business -- always results in more consumption because our entire economic system is based on consumption. It's even true about internet businesses, by the way. Every bit and byte you consume over the internet has an indirect environmental cost due to the electricity consumption of

the CPUs delivering that content to you as well as, more importantly, the enormous cooling demand in data centers that spend fortunes just cooling all the computers running there.The fact that our economic activity is fundamentally based on consumption rather than conservation demonstrates why humanity is doomed to destroy itself. After seeing the failure of so many environmental summits, I'm convinced of it. I don't see any possible way that human beings will suddenly gain the intelligence and foresight necessary to live in balance with our natural world. Not without a crisis to teach everybody a few lessons, anyway. But even the Gulf Coast disaster isn't fundamentally changing the way business leaders think about consumption. They think it's just an "oil problem" not a global problem with the business models that drive our world into a self-destructive cycle of mindless consumption.

What may be coming in the next few yearsWhen the population continues to expand and most of the world's resources are wiped out, the human population will plunge into a time of great darkness. The loss of life will be immense -- perhaps as much as a 90% reduction in the planetary population. Ecosystems will fail, crops will fail and civilization itself will be brought to its knees. It won't take much to crash the current global system. Once the power grid is down for as little as 5 days, there's almost no bringing civilization back -- at least not modern civilization as we know it.Once the population is drastically reduced, the natural environment will have a chance to recover. Plants and animals will re-populate areas once lost to high-density human populations. And once the abundance returns, humans will again have the abundance necessary to re-populate, too. Hopefully future generations of human beings will learn from our present

mistakes and not pursue the same path we did -- the path of endless consumption of the planet's resources to the point of destruction.On a long time scale, you will likely see human population rising, then crashing, then rising again from the ashes of a collapsed civilization. This is the ebb and flow of the future of life on Earth. You might even call it a "natural" cycle of human population expansion, then collapse, followed by expansion and yet more collapse. It's very similar to the way a virus invades a human body and multiplies until it kills the very host that once gave it life. In terms of big-picture behavior, humans are much like a virus on our planet.This cycle of destruction and rebirth could be balanced out, though, by a sufficiently intelligent species gifted with sufficient foresight to see what's coming and make early adjustments to avoid the population collapse. Our current human species, sadly, is not sufficiently

intelligent to do so.

The corporate greed machineI hadn't really accepted this outcome as reality until just recently. I've always maintained a more optimistic attitude, thinking that we could find innovative ways to reverse climate change, reduce consumption, educate people and invent new technologies to clean up the planetary messes we've made. But I can now see that we're up against corporate monsters that are relentlessly pushing for our collective destruction.They're destroying our seeds and genes (for profit, no less), our soils, rivers, oceans and lands. They're corrupting our minds with pro-business propaganda and our bodies with their chemicals poisons. And they absolutely will not stop until every last exploitable resource on the planet has been used up and sold to a consumer. When our world is dominated by Monsanto, DuPont, oil companies, pharmaceutical companies, weapons manufacturers, junk food giants and chemical

companies, there's not much hope for meaningful change that could set humanity on a new course of conservation and protection of life.Sadly, there is no stopping the great corporate greed machine. It will keep rolling forward, aiming for more growth, more consumption and more exploitation until the very last drop of oil is squeezed out of the tar sands and every last tree is slashed to make room for cattle ranching.A profit-based economic model cannot coexist with environmental protection because the two concepts are opposites. Big Business depends on endless growth, expansion, exploitation and consumption. But the environment can only be protected by consuming less. And that's not even in the vocabulary of today's business executives. The idea of consuming less is the antithesis of corporate profit and expansion.Have you ever seen a Coca-Cola ad that urged you to "drink less Coke"?That's why as long as

corporations rule our world (and make no mistake, they already do), there is no saving the environment. Ergo, there is no saving ourselves from a complete civilization blowout that will eventually see the near-destruction of our natural world... with the collapse of the human population to soon follow.

The thought experiment - SimEarthImagine you're playing a software game called SimEarth. (Such a game actually exists, I believe, but I'm not referring to any real game. This is a fictional exercise.)In this SimEarth game, you get 1 point for every year that one human being is alive on planet Earth. The simulation runs for 1000 years and begins in the year we know as 1500 A.D.In the game, just as in the real world, the survival of human beings depends on the people having access to food, water, shelter, safety and other essentials. When the game begins, you have a blank slate SimEarth planet with enormous untapped resources of fossil oil, fossil water, old-growth forests, abundant ocean life and incredible biodiversity on land and sea. The human population is relatively small, perhaps only a few million people.As the game progresses and the years tick by, you start earning more and more points

by allowing the human population to multiply. At one point, you turn on the invention of the combustion engine coupled with the discovery of oil, and then things really begin to accelerate: Food production suddenly multiplies, making food resources incredibly cheap and abundant, leading to a population explosion.As the points keep racking up, you watch as your SimEarth world becomes increasingly taken over by humans. The old growth forests are cut down and replaced with farm lands and cattle ranches. The once-abundant populations of wild animals are replaced by concrete highways and housing developments. Fossil water supplies drop sharply and oil drilling rigs pump out a heavy portion of the planet's remaining oil resources.Your points are really accelerating now as you watch the human population blow past four billion people, then five, and then six. At that point, on-screen statistics begin to flash red, warning you that world's oil,

water, food, soil and ocean health are all reaching critical levels of deficiency. Although you're earning big points from all the human activity, the environmental cost of supporting all those people is now threatening the ecological stability of the planetary ecosystem.It is at this point you realize that, to beat the high score, you need to keep your human population alive at some level for the next 500 years, and yet the planet's resources are running out, reaching depletion in just 50 years or less. What should you do?You decide to just watch and see what happens. With your eyes fixated on the screen, the years tick past. Twenty-five years further into the simulation, the oil runs out, thrusting your simulated societies into an energy crisis. Without cheap, plentiful oil, food production grinds to a halt. Mass starvation takes hold in just one year, leading to disease and the unleashing of a global pandemic. Over the next five

years, the human population suffers a massive, catastrophic die-off, plummeting to less than a billion people. Your once-awesome score now looks pitiful: Human civilization crashed and you'll never win the simulation now. Game over.This is the outcome facing modern human civilization. .. and it's no game. The possibility is very real. Unless something drastic is done to find a balance between human consumption (which is directly tied to population) and the natural environment that supports us all, our population is going to crash, too. It is a simple matter of biology.

The population problem no one dares speak ofThere's no way around this sobering thought: Population is the problem. There are too many people consuming too much stuff. It cannot be sustained -- especially not at the very high rates of consumption our western world has grown used to.To solve this dilemma, you can either reduce the population over time (through one-child policies, for example) or reduce consumption (through a variety of means), but you've got to do something. In no way do I support the idea of a one-child policy, by the way. I don't support government intervention in our private lives, and I don't support governments mandating personal limits on our carbon consumption. But then again, if something radical doesn't change, it's fairly obvious that the human population is simply going to keep expanding until key resources are all dried up. And that, of course, will result in a devastating

crash of the human population.So there you have it: The price for our expansionistic, high-consumption lifestyles today is eventually going to be the blowout of human civilization in the future, followed by a sharp population crash. The only thing that can really stop it is forced government population control, a global pandemic, or some other widespread disaster that kills off a huge percentage of the world population. None of these seem particularly desirable.Or, perhaps, the world could be saved with a sudden burst of global education that teaches people to think about the long-term consequences of their own actions, but I'm not betting on that happening anytime soon. Even really smart people in first-world nations still burn up oil and use up resources as if there were no consequences. Education alone cannot save human civilization from destroying itself. Smart people are not necessarily ecologically- aware people. In

fact, you could argue that the most highly-educated people on the planet are precisely those who are consuming the greatest natural resources. (Poor, uneducated populations don't consume much for the simple reason that they cannot afford to.)There's no way around it: We are on a track headed straight for our own destruction. A planet-wide collapse is coming sometime this century.If you think I'm wrong, I'd like to hear from you. I hope I'm wrong, and I'm looking for a reasoned argument that can offer a solution to our population problem -- preferably without resorting to government-run population control initiatives or forced one-child policies. Seriously: How can the human species now save itself from its own destruction? Even free energy technologies aren't the answer, as they don't solve the problems of running out of fossil water, topsoil, natural habitat or rare earth metals used in industrial processes. Free energy

will only cause the human population to explode even more rapidly, worsening the current problem of over-population.I challenge every person reading this to do the math. Run the numbers yourself. Look at the limited resources on our planet and compare them with the per-capita consumption facts associated with modern-day consumers. Then consider what happens when the population keeps expanding... and add to that the desire for poorer nations to "achieve" the consumption rates of first-world nations like the USA.If you do the math, you'll quickly see it doesn't add up. The projects all come to a screeching halt in the next hundred years (if not sooner). The population growth rates still under way lead to a literal dead end, given current rates of consumption.This may not be a popular topic to write about. Most people prefer to pretend this problem doesn't exist (much like the U.S. national debt). But it is, in reality, the

single largest problem facing the future of human civilization: How do we find a way to live in balance with our natural environment while sustaining a steady population.. . without turning our world into a population control police state?I personally cannot think of any acceptable solution to this problem that does not involve some sort of massive population control measure... and that solution is, itself, unthinkable

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Good idea. thank you for that.We burn the egg shells. Don't have a coffee grinder, I don't drink coffee, but I do have a food processor which I could use. The egg shells are high in calcium, which is like a bone meal which enable the plants to have bountiful flower production.We even burn bones like chicken, and use the ashes from our wood stove for potash that is great for the garden.take a look at my garden pictures when you have a chance.Michele

From: Joyce Hudson <bjoyfuliglou (DOT) com>Subject: [ ] Humans vs. the environment - A thought experiment Date: Thursday, June 24, 2010, 12:09 PM

How long have you been aware of this? For me, it's been a few years. Have I done anything about it? NOT Really!

Ok, so I try to cut back on driving the car. I run all of my errands at one time. But I haven't put my 3 wheel bicycle together, that could be used locally.

Have I cut back on electricity? Well, I don't unplug everything. I did switch to energy saving bulbs and I try to keep the electronics off, if I am not paying attention to them, like TVs. But to unplug everything, and only plug it in when we need it, is hard because of where the outlets are. Hmm. Will have to look into that.

Do I recycle. No, but our garbage pickup doesn't recycle. But I could separate the plastic, glass & paper from rest of the junk and take them to where ever they have drops.

Do I purchase because I want something or need it? Oh, It's needed or I won't buy it.

Do I collect rain for water plants? Well we do have one rainbarrel now and I am please with it, so we will be adding more of the same.

What other ways, can we as individuals do to help save? The first that we need to do, it make All aware of the critical need of saving our environment. It's going to be difficult. Americans are spoiled. They want life easy. They are impractical. Instead of driving an economical vehicle, if they can afford to, they will buy a gas hog. Even if they can't afford it, they will buy it for the status symbol. Americans are so busy, we don't look farther than our noses. It needs to change, as the article below points out. It's going to take effort on our parts. Blessings, Joy

http://www.naturaln ews.com/029056_ environmental_ protection_ population_ control.html

Humans vs. the environment - A thought experiment

(NaturalNews) Protecting the environment isn't a "liberal" idea; it's everybody's business. Liberal or conservative, Democrat or Republican, the environment provides life support for us all, and if we fail to recognize that, we are truly doomed as a civilization.To help explain this, I've put together a simple thought experiment. It begins with three undeniable truths about humans and the environment:Truth #1 - The Earth's resources are limited.This should be self-evidence, but some people still don't get it. The Earth's resources -- oil, forests, water, energy, and so on -- are finite. They do not exist in infinite quantities. If they did, they would obviously be larger than the Earth itself (and would, in fact, fill the universe). But they don't fill the universe. They are contained within the boundaries of planet Earth, and therefore they are limited.Of course, many

of Earth's resources can be either regenerated or recycled, but that only happens over time -- usually a long time. In the case of oil, it's hundreds of thousands of years. For fossil water it's much the same. The rate at which modern human civilization is using up these resources is orders of magnitude faster than the rate at which they can be naturally regenerated. This holds true for oil, water, topsoil, forests and more.Truth #2 - Each person living in modern civilization consumes some amount of the Earth's limited resources.This should also be self-evident: People consume resources. When you drive your car, you're obviously consuming limited natural resources. When you buy a car, you're consuming many other natural resources (all the elements that went into making a car), too. This is true even when you buy a solar panel.Every time you turn on a light switch, or open a

package of food, or swallow a piece of food, you are consuming some amount of the Earth's limited resources.The sum of your consumption is called your "ecological footprint," and your ecological footprint is much larger than the immediate space you might call your home. The things you consume in your home require the resources of a much larger area far outside your home.A human child born in America today, for example, will consume 45,000 pounds of metal in their lifetime (through the products they purchase). That's 45,000 pounds of metal that must be mined, processed, transported and manufactured into consumable products, and metal mining is a very dirty business, by the way, even if that metal goes into making clean energy devices such as wind turbines.Truth #3 - Humans are altering the environmentYou can't argue with this (although some people ridiculously try). Human activity is

altering our environment in a huge way, from the massive deforestation of the planet to the release of gases into the atmosphere. We've poisoned the rivers, destroyed natural habitat, polluted the oceans (Gulf of Mexico, anyone?) and altered the chemical composition of the atmosphere. These are undeniable scientific truths. No sane person can reasonably argue that human beings have not radically altered the environment of our planet over the last 200 years.If you visited North America 200 years ago, for example, you wouldn't even have recognized it as the same continent dominated by human beings today. A few hundred years ago, North America was teeming with life, with huge old-growth forests, pristine rivers and abundant plains. Today it is relatively dead, having been over-developed, over-paved and over-population to a point so extreme that our ancestors would largely consider it "dead".Truth #4 - Humans

really like to have babiesThis is also self-evidence: People like to procreate. Every family, it seems, wants children, and those children want their own children, too. In general, human beings want to procreate without limitation. This, of course, leads to an explosion in population growth. We've seen this explosion over the last two hundred years as the Earth's population has grown from less than one billion people in 1800 to nearly seven billion today.Human beings do not consider their impact on the global population when they procreate. The decision to have children is made privately, selfishly, without regard to the impact on the planet. One more child seems like no big deal from the point of view of a couple that wishes for another son or daughter, but multiplied by billions, these decisions to procreate en masse lead to overpopulation, which leads to over-consumption of the planet's limited

resources.

The Easter Island effectNow let's work our little thought experiment. Given the four simple truths described above, it is only a matter of time before the continued procreation of human beings collides with the reality of limited resources, causing a crisis of unsustainability.At some point, in other words, the continued expansion of human beings will destroy so much of the natural environment (and use so many natural resources) that there will not be enough resources available to support the continuation of the existing population.I call this the "Easter Island effect," in reference to the way in which the natives of Easter Island chopped down all their trees to build ever-larger monuments to themselves, and in doing so they destroyed their entire ecosystem and soon perished. The entire human civilization is now pulling an Easter Island on a global scale.

Our two choicesGiven that the unlimited expansion of the human population must inevitably use up key resources required to sustain human life, it stands to reason that there are only two choices for how we human beings can choose to deal with the situation:Choice #1 - We can acknowledge the ecological impact of human beings on our planet and make conscious choices to live within the bounds of sustainable balance with our planet (i.e. keeping our population size relatively stable by limiting runaway population growth, reducing our ecological footprint, respecting the natural environment that supports life on our planet, etc.).Choice #2 - We can continue our mindless population expansion and resource exploitation while ignoring any long-term consequences. This is the definition of stupidity, and yet it is precisely the path that modern human civilization is now choosing. It also

seems

to be the chosen path of "anti-environmental ists" -- people who resist the idea that we need to protect the environment at all.Sadly, human civilization has decided to go with choice #2. I believe the future of modern civilization is now set. Population expansion and resource depletion will soon collide with the limitations of our planet and result in a cataclysmic collapse of our civilization. We human beings are pulling off the Easter Island scenario, but with more than just trees: We're doing it with oil, water, soil and habitat. We are destroying the only planet that can keep us alive, and there now appears to be no stopping this self-destructive tendency of the human species.I have personally seen no evidence that the current human species is capable of long-term, sustainable balance with any ecosystem. It lacks the intelligent foresight necessary to anticipate such outcomes and make adjustments well in advance of them

coming true. Some people among us even argue against environmental protection, not realizing they are essentially arguing for their own self-destruction.Other who are more thoughtful argue only against the fear of a world government enforcing environmental regulations at the expense of losing personal freedoms. This is a legitimate concern, and I happen to agree with these concerns. "Protecting the environment" can all too easily become a slippery mantra for world domination over individual freedom. The best way to avoid losing freedom while saving our environment is through education of the public that urges people to make better decisions without turning them into criminals if they fail to make those decisions.

Can humanity save itself?Saving human civilization from its own ignorance is no easy task. It will require intelligent, forward-thinking business leaders who see the long-term picture and who genuinely care about the future. Yet sadly, there is no such thing. Business leaders are, by definition, focused on the next fiscal quarter, not the next century. They will ALWAYS mortgage our collective future to increase their immediate profits.There is almost no such thing as a successful business person who is simultaneously an effective steward of our planet's natural resources. The simple act of generating more business -- in any business -- always results in more consumption because our entire economic system is based on consumption. It's even true about internet businesses, by the way. Every bit and byte you consume over the internet has an indirect environmental cost due to the electricity consumption of

the CPUs delivering that content to you as well as, more importantly, the enormous cooling demand in data centers that spend fortunes just cooling all the computers running there.The fact that our economic activity is fundamentally based on consumption rather than conservation demonstrates why humanity is doomed to destroy itself. After seeing the failure of so many environmental summits, I'm convinced of it. I don't see any possible way that human beings will suddenly gain the intelligence and foresight necessary to live in balance with our natural world. Not without a crisis to teach everybody a few lessons, anyway. But even the Gulf Coast disaster isn't fundamentally changing the way business leaders think about consumption. They think it's just an "oil problem" not a global problem with the business models that drive our world into a self-destructive cycle of mindless consumption.

What may be coming in the next few yearsWhen the population continues to expand and most of the world's resources are wiped out, the human population will plunge into a time of great darkness. The loss of life will be immense -- perhaps as much as a 90% reduction in the planetary population. Ecosystems will fail, crops will fail and civilization itself will be brought to its knees. It won't take much to crash the current global system. Once the power grid is down for as little as 5 days, there's almost no bringing civilization back -- at least not modern civilization as we know it.Once the population is drastically reduced, the natural environment will have a chance to recover. Plants and animals will re-populate areas once lost to high-density human populations. And once the abundance returns, humans will again have the abundance necessary to re-populate, too. Hopefully future generations of human beings will learn from our present

mistakes and not pursue the same path we did -- the path of endless consumption of the planet's resources to the point of destruction.On a long time scale, you will likely see human population rising, then crashing, then rising again from the ashes of a collapsed civilization. This is the ebb and flow of the future of life on Earth. You might even call it a "natural" cycle of human population expansion, then collapse, followed by expansion and yet more collapse. It's very similar to the way a virus invades a human body and multiplies until it kills the very host that once gave it life. In terms of big-picture behavior, humans are much like a virus on our planet.This cycle of destruction and rebirth could be balanced out, though, by a sufficiently intelligent species gifted with sufficient foresight to see what's coming and make early adjustments to avoid the population collapse. Our current human species, sadly, is not sufficiently

intelligent to do so.

The corporate greed machineI hadn't really accepted this outcome as reality until just recently. I've always maintained a more optimistic attitude, thinking that we could find innovative ways to reverse climate change, reduce consumption, educate people and invent new technologies to clean up the planetary messes we've made. But I can now see that we're up against corporate monsters that are relentlessly pushing for our collective destruction.They're destroying our seeds and genes (for profit, no less), our soils, rivers, oceans and lands. They're corrupting our minds with pro-business propaganda and our bodies with their chemicals poisons. And they absolutely will not stop until every last exploitable resource on the planet has been used up and sold to a consumer. When our world is dominated by Monsanto, DuPont, oil companies, pharmaceutical companies, weapons manufacturers, junk food giants and chemical

companies, there's not much hope for meaningful change that could set humanity on a new course of conservation and protection of life.Sadly, there is no stopping the great corporate greed machine. It will keep rolling forward, aiming for more growth, more consumption and more exploitation until the very last drop of oil is squeezed out of the tar sands and every last tree is slashed to make room for cattle ranching.A profit-based economic model cannot coexist with environmental protection because the two concepts are opposites. Big Business depends on endless growth, expansion, exploitation and consumption. But the environment can only be protected by consuming less. And that's not even in the vocabulary of today's business executives. The idea of consuming less is the antithesis of corporate profit and expansion.Have you ever seen a Coca-Cola ad that urged you to "drink less Coke"?That's why as long as

corporations rule our world (and make no mistake, they already do), there is no saving the environment. Ergo, there is no saving ourselves from a complete civilization blowout that will eventually see the near-destruction of our natural world... with the collapse of the human population to soon follow.

The thought experiment - SimEarthImagine you're playing a software game called SimEarth. (Such a game actually exists, I believe, but I'm not referring to any real game. This is a fictional exercise.)In this SimEarth game, you get 1 point for every year that one human being is alive on planet Earth. The simulation runs for 1000 years and begins in the year we know as 1500 A.D.In the game, just as in the real world, the survival of human beings depends on the people having access to food, water, shelter, safety and other essentials. When the game begins, you have a blank slate SimEarth planet with enormous untapped resources of fossil oil, fossil water, old-growth forests, abundant ocean life and incredible biodiversity on land and sea. The human population is relatively small, perhaps only a few million people.As the game progresses and the years tick by, you start earning more and more points

by allowing the human population to multiply. At one point, you turn on the invention of the combustion engine coupled with the discovery of oil, and then things really begin to accelerate: Food production suddenly multiplies, making food resources incredibly cheap and abundant, leading to a population explosion.As the points keep racking up, you watch as your SimEarth world becomes increasingly taken over by humans. The old growth forests are cut down and replaced with farm lands and cattle ranches. The once-abundant populations of wild animals are replaced by concrete highways and housing developments. Fossil water supplies drop sharply and oil drilling rigs pump out a heavy portion of the planet's remaining oil resources.Your points are really accelerating now as you watch the human population blow past four billion people, then five, and then six. At that point, on-screen statistics begin to flash red, warning you that world's oil,

water, food, soil and ocean health are all reaching critical levels of deficiency. Although you're earning big points from all the human activity, the environmental cost of supporting all those people is now threatening the ecological stability of the planetary ecosystem.It is at this point you realize that, to beat the high score, you need to keep your human population alive at some level for the next 500 years, and yet the planet's resources are running out, reaching depletion in just 50 years or less. What should you do?You decide to just watch and see what happens. With your eyes fixated on the screen, the years tick past. Twenty-five years further into the simulation, the oil runs out, thrusting your simulated societies into an energy crisis. Without cheap, plentiful oil, food production grinds to a halt. Mass starvation takes hold in just one year, leading to disease and the unleashing of a global pandemic. Over the next five

years, the human population suffers a massive, catastrophic die-off, plummeting to less than a billion people. Your once-awesome score now looks pitiful: Human civilization crashed and you'll never win the simulation now. Game over.This is the outcome facing modern human civilization. .. and it's no game. The possibility is very real. Unless something drastic is done to find a balance between human consumption (which is directly tied to population) and the natural environment that supports us all, our population is going to crash, too. It is a simple matter of biology.

The population problem no one dares speak ofThere's no way around this sobering thought: Population is the problem. There are too many people consuming too much stuff. It cannot be sustained -- especially not at the very high rates of consumption our western world has grown used to.To solve this dilemma, you can either reduce the population over time (through one-child policies, for example) or reduce consumption (through a variety of means), but you've got to do something. In no way do I support the idea of a one-child policy, by the way. I don't support government intervention in our private lives, and I don't support governments mandating personal limits on our carbon consumption. But then again, if something radical doesn't change, it's fairly obvious that the human population is simply going to keep expanding until key resources are all dried up. And that, of course, will result in a devastating

crash of the human population.So there you have it: The price for our expansionistic, high-consumption lifestyles today is eventually going to be the blowout of human civilization in the future, followed by a sharp population crash. The only thing that can really stop it is forced government population control, a global pandemic, or some other widespread disaster that kills off a huge percentage of the world population. None of these seem particularly desirable.Or, perhaps, the world could be saved with a sudden burst of global education that teaches people to think about the long-term consequences of their own actions, but I'm not betting on that happening anytime soon. Even really smart people in first-world nations still burn up oil and use up resources as if there were no consequences. Education alone cannot save human civilization from destroying itself. Smart people are not necessarily ecologically- aware people. In

fact, you could argue that the most highly-educated people on the planet are precisely those who are consuming the greatest natural resources. (Poor, uneducated populations don't consume much for the simple reason that they cannot afford to.)There's no way around it: We are on a track headed straight for our own destruction. A planet-wide collapse is coming sometime this century.If you think I'm wrong, I'd like to hear from you. I hope I'm wrong, and I'm looking for a reasoned argument that can offer a solution to our population problem -- preferably without resorting to government-run population control initiatives or forced one-child policies. Seriously: How can the human species now save itself from its own destruction? Even free energy technologies aren't the answer, as they don't solve the problems of running out of fossil water, topsoil, natural habitat or rare earth metals used in industrial processes. Free energy

will only cause the human population to explode even more rapidly, worsening the current problem of over-population.I challenge every person reading this to do the math. Run the numbers yourself. Look at the limited resources on our planet and compare them with the per-capita consumption facts associated with modern-day consumers. Then consider what happens when the population keeps expanding... and add to that the desire for poorer nations to "achieve" the consumption rates of first-world nations like the USA.If you do the math, you'll quickly see it doesn't add up. The projects all come to a screeching halt in the next hundred years (if not sooner). The population growth rates still under way lead to a literal dead end, given current rates of consumption.This may not be a popular topic to write about. Most people prefer to pretend this problem doesn't exist (much like the U.S. national debt). But it is, in reality, the

single largest problem facing the future of human civilization: How do we find a way to live in balance with our natural environment while sustaining a steady population.. . without turning our world into a population control police state?I personally cannot think of any acceptable solution to this problem that does not involve some sort of massive population control measure... and that solution is, itself, unthinkable

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You can use a rolling pin instead too (no electricity then, just musclepower ) My brother also use ashes for his garden, but we don't have a wood stove

Vegetables from the garden is fun and very healty only we prefer kind of "zen"garden with that little space. But we have some fruit and tomatoes and that is still something. Our three kids needed a bit space to run around.

Included a pic of our little pool in the garden.

From: michele horton <epifany97523@...> Sent: Sun, June 27, 2010 6:16:08 PMSubject: Re: [ ] Humans vs. the environment - A thought experiment

Good idea. thank you for that.

We burn the egg shells. Don't have a coffee grinder, I don't drink coffee, but I do have a food processor which I could use. The egg shells are high in calcium, which is like a bone meal which enable the plants to have bountiful flower production.

We even burn bones like chicken, and use the ashes from our wood stove for potash that is great for the garden.

take a look at my garden pictures when you have a chance.

Michele

From: Joyce Hudson <bjoyfuliglou (DOT) com>Subject: [ ] Humans vs. the environment - A thought experiment Date: Thursday, June 24, 2010, 12:09 PM

How long have you been aware of this? For me, it's been a few years. Have I done anything about it? NOT Really!

Ok, so I try to cut back on driving the car. I run all of my errands at one time. But I haven't put my 3 wheel bicycle together, that could be used locally.

Have I cut back on electricity? Well, I don't unplug everything. I did switch to energy saving bulbs and I try to keep the electronics off, if I am not paying attention to them, like TVs. But to unplug everything, and only plug it in when we need it, is hard because of where the outlets are. Hmm. Will have to look into that.

Do I recycle. No, but our garbage pickup doesn't recycle. But I could separate the plastic, glass & paper from rest of the junk and take them to where ever they have drops.

Do I purchase because I want something or need it? Oh, It's needed or I won't buy it.

Do I collect rain for water plants? Well we do have one rainbarrel now and I am please with it, so we will be adding more of the same.

What other ways, can we as individuals do to help save? The first that we need to do, it make All aware of the critical need of saving our environment. It's going to be difficult. Americans are spoiled. They want life easy. They are impractical. Instead of driving an economical vehicle, if they can afford to, they will buy a gas hog. Even if they can't afford it, they will buy it for the status symbol. Americans are so busy, we don't look farther than our noses. It needs to change, as the article below points out. It's going to take effort on our parts. Blessings, Joy

http://www.naturaln ews.com/029056_ environmental_ protection_ population_ control.html

Humans vs. the environment - A thought experiment

(NaturalNews) Protecting the environment isn't a "liberal" idea; it's everybody's business. Liberal or conservative, Democrat or Republican, the environment provides life support for us all, and if we fail to recognize that, we are truly doomed as a civilization.To help explain this, I've put together a simple thought experiment. It begins with three undeniable truths about humans and the environment:Truth #1 - The Earth's resources are limited.This should be self-evidence, but some people still don't get it. The Earth's resources -- oil, forests, water, energy, and so on -- are finite. They do not exist in infinite quantities. If they did, they would obviously be larger than the Earth itself (and would, in fact, fill the universe). But they don't fill the universe. They are contained within the boundaries of planet Earth, and therefore they are limited.Of course, many

of Earth's resources can be either regenerated or recycled, but that only happens over time -- usually a long time. In the case of oil, it's hundreds of thousands of years. For fossil water it's much the same. The rate at which modern human civilization is using up these resources is orders of magnitude faster than the rate at which they can be naturally regenerated. This holds true for oil, water, topsoil, forests and more.Truth #2 - Each person living in modern civilization consumes some amount of the Earth's limited resources.This should also be self-evident: People consume resources. When you drive your car, you're obviously consuming limited natural resources. When you buy a car, you're consuming many other natural resources (all the elements that went into making a car), too. This is true even when you buy a solar panel.Every time you turn on a light switch, or open a

package of food, or swallow a piece of food, you are consuming some amount of the Earth's limited resources.The sum of your consumption is called your "ecological footprint," and your ecological footprint is much larger than the immediate space you might call your home. The things you consume in your home require the resources of a much larger area far outside your home.A human child born in America today, for example, will consume 45,000 pounds of metal in their lifetime (through the products they purchase). That's 45,000 pounds of metal that must be mined, processed, transported and manufactured into consumable products, and metal mining is a very dirty business, by the way, even if that metal goes into making clean energy devices such as wind turbines.Truth #3 - Humans are altering the environmentYou can't argue with this (although some people ridiculously try). Human activity is

altering our environment in a huge way, from the massive deforestation of the planet to the release of gases into the atmosphere. We've poisoned the rivers, destroyed natural habitat, polluted the oceans (Gulf of Mexico, anyone?) and altered the chemical composition of the atmosphere. These are undeniable scientific truths. No sane person can reasonably argue that human beings have not radically altered the environment of our planet over the last 200 years.If you visited North America 200 years ago, for example, you wouldn't even have recognized it as the same continent dominated by human beings today. A few hundred years ago, North America was teeming with life, with huge old-growth forests, pristine rivers and abundant plains. Today it is relatively dead, having been over-developed, over-paved and over-population to a point so extreme that our ancestors would largely consider it "dead".Truth #4 - Humans

really like to have babiesThis is also self-evidence: People like to procreate. Every family, it seems, wants children, and those children want their own children, too. In general, human beings want to procreate without limitation. This, of course, leads to an explosion in population growth. We've seen this explosion over the last two hundred years as the Earth's population has grown from less than one billion people in 1800 to nearly seven billion today.Human beings do not consider their impact on the global population when they procreate. The decision to have children is made privately, selfishly, without regard to the impact on the planet. One more child seems like no big deal from the point of view of a couple that wishes for another son or daughter, but multiplied by billions, these decisions to procreate en masse lead to overpopulation, which leads to over-consumption of the planet's limited

resources.

The Easter Island effectNow let's work our little thought experiment. Given the four simple truths described above, it is only a matter of time before the continued procreation of human beings collides with the reality of limited resources, causing a crisis of unsustainability.At some point, in other words, the continued expansion of human beings will destroy so much of the natural environment (and use so many natural resources) that there will not be enough resources available to support the continuation of the existing population.I call this the "Easter Island effect," in reference to the way in which the natives of Easter Island chopped down all their trees to build ever-larger monuments to themselves, and in doing so they destroyed their entire ecosystem and soon perished. The entire human civilization is now pulling an Easter Island on a global scale.

Our two choicesGiven that the unlimited expansion of the human population must inevitably use up key resources required to sustain human life, it stands to reason that there are only two choices for how we human beings can choose to deal with the situation:Choice #1 - We can acknowledge the ecological impact of human beings on our planet and make conscious choices to live within the bounds of sustainable balance with our planet (i.e. keeping our population size relatively stable by limiting runaway population growth, reducing our ecological footprint, respecting the natural environment that supports life on our planet, etc.).Choice #2 - We can continue our mindless population expansion and resource exploitation while ignoring any long-term consequences. This is the definition of stupidity, and yet it is precisely the path that modern human civilization is now choosing. It also seems

to be the chosen path of "anti-environmental ists" -- people who resist the idea that we need to protect the environment at all.Sadly, human civilization has decided to go with choice #2. I believe the future of modern civilization is now set. Population expansion and resource depletion will soon collide with the limitations of our planet and result in a cataclysmic collapse of our civilization. We human beings are pulling off the Easter Island scenario, but with more than just trees: We're doing it with oil, water, soil and habitat. We are destroying the only planet that can keep us alive, and there now appears to be no stopping this self-destructive tendency of the human species.I have personally seen no evidence that the current human species is capable of long-term, sustainable balance with any ecosystem. It lacks the intelligent foresight necessary to anticipate such outcomes and make adjustments well in advance of them

coming true. Some people among us even argue against environmental protection, not realizing they are essentially arguing for their own self-destruction.Other who are more thoughtful argue only against the fear of a world government enforcing environmental regulations at the expense of losing personal freedoms. This is a legitimate concern, and I happen to agree with these concerns. "Protecting the environment" can all too easily become a slippery mantra for world domination over individual freedom. The best way to avoid losing freedom while saving our environment is through education of the public that urges people to make better decisions without turning them into criminals if they fail to make those decisions.

Can humanity save itself?Saving human civilization from its own ignorance is no easy task. It will require intelligent, forward-thinking business leaders who see the long-term picture and who genuinely care about the future. Yet sadly, there is no such thing. Business leaders are, by definition, focused on the next fiscal quarter, not the next century. They will ALWAYS mortgage our collective future to increase their immediate profits.There is almost no such thing as a successful business person who is simultaneously an effective steward of our planet's natural resources. The simple act of generating more business -- in any business -- always results in more consumption because our entire economic system is based on consumption. It's even true about internet businesses, by the way. Every bit and byte you consume over the internet has an indirect environmental cost due to the electricity consumption of

the CPUs delivering that content to you as well as, more importantly, the enormous cooling demand in data centers that spend fortunes just cooling all the computers running there.The fact that our economic activity is fundamentally based on consumption rather than conservation demonstrates why humanity is doomed to destroy itself. After seeing the failure of so many environmental summits, I'm convinced of it. I don't see any possible way that human beings will suddenly gain the intelligence and foresight necessary to live in balance with our natural world. Not without a crisis to teach everybody a few lessons, anyway. But even the Gulf Coast disaster isn't fundamentally changing the way business leaders think about consumption. They think it's just an "oil problem" not a global problem with the business models that drive our world into a self-destructive cycle of mindless consumption.

What may be coming in the next few yearsWhen the population continues to expand and most of the world's resources are wiped out, the human population will plunge into a time of great darkness. The loss of life will be immense -- perhaps as much as a 90% reduction in the planetary population. Ecosystems will fail, crops will fail and civilization itself will be brought to its knees. It won't take much to crash the current global system. Once the power grid is down for as little as 5 days, there's almost no bringing civilization back -- at least not modern civilization as we know it.Once the population is drastically reduced, the natural environment will have a chance to recover. Plants and animals will re-populate areas once lost to high-density human populations. And once the abundance returns, humans will again have the abundance necessary to re-populate, too. Hopefully future generations of human beings will learn from our present

mistakes and not pursue the same path we did -- the path of endless consumption of the planet's resources to the point of destruction.On a long time scale, you will likely see human population rising, then crashing, then rising again from the ashes of a collapsed civilization. This is the ebb and flow of the future of life on Earth. You might even call it a "natural" cycle of human population expansion, then collapse, followed by expansion and yet more collapse. It's very similar to the way a virus invades a human body and multiplies until it kills the very host that once gave it life. In terms of big-picture behavior, humans are much like a virus on our planet.This cycle of destruction and rebirth could be balanced out, though, by a sufficiently intelligent species gifted with sufficient foresight to see what's coming and make early adjustments to avoid the population collapse. Our current human species, sadly, is not sufficiently

intelligent to do so.

The corporate greed machineI hadn't really accepted this outcome as reality until just recently. I've always maintained a more optimistic attitude, thinking that we could find innovative ways to reverse climate change, reduce consumption, educate people and invent new technologies to clean up the planetary messes we've made. But I can now see that we're up against corporate monsters that are relentlessly pushing for our collective destruction.They're destroying our seeds and genes (for profit, no less), our soils, rivers, oceans and lands. They're corrupting our minds with pro-business propaganda and our bodies with their chemicals poisons. And they absolutely will not stop until every last exploitable resource on the planet has been used up and sold to a consumer. When our world is dominated by Monsanto, DuPont, oil companies, pharmaceutical companies, weapons manufacturers, junk food giants and chemical

companies, there's not much hope for meaningful change that could set humanity on a new course of conservation and protection of life.Sadly, there is no stopping the great corporate greed machine. It will keep rolling forward, aiming for more growth, more consumption and more exploitation until the very last drop of oil is squeezed out of the tar sands and every last tree is slashed to make room for cattle ranching.A profit-based economic model cannot coexist with environmental protection because the two concepts are opposites. Big Business depends on endless growth, expansion, exploitation and consumption. But the environment can only be protected by consuming less. And that's not even in the vocabulary of today's business executives. The idea of consuming less is the antithesis of corporate profit and expansion.Have you ever seen a Coca-Cola ad that urged you to "drink less Coke"?That's why as long as

corporations rule our world (and make no mistake, they already do), there is no saving the environment. Ergo, there is no saving ourselves from a complete civilization blowout that will eventually see the near-destruction of our natural world... with the collapse of the human population to soon follow.

The thought experiment - SimEarthImagine you're playing a software game called SimEarth. (Such a game actually exists, I believe, but I'm not referring to any real game. This is a fictional exercise.)In this SimEarth game, you get 1 point for every year that one human being is alive on planet Earth. The simulation runs for 1000 years and begins in the year we know as 1500 A.D.In the game, just as in the real world, the survival of human beings depends on the people having access to food, water, shelter, safety and other essentials. When the game begins, you have a blank slate SimEarth planet with enormous untapped resources of fossil oil, fossil water, old-growth forests, abundant ocean life and incredible biodiversity on land and sea. The human population is relatively small, perhaps only a few million people.As the game progresses and the years tick by, you start earning more and more points

by allowing the human population to multiply. At one point, you turn on the invention of the combustion engine coupled with the discovery of oil, and then things really begin to accelerate: Food production suddenly multiplies, making food resources incredibly cheap and abundant, leading to a population explosion.As the points keep racking up, you watch as your SimEarth world becomes increasingly taken over by humans. The old growth forests are cut down and replaced with farm lands and cattle ranches. The once-abundant populations of wild animals are replaced by concrete highways and housing developments. Fossil water supplies drop sharply and oil drilling rigs pump out a heavy portion of the planet's remaining oil resources.Your points are really accelerating now as you watch the human population blow past four billion people, then five, and then six. At that point, on-screen statistics begin to flash red, warning you that world's oil,

water, food, soil and ocean health are all reaching critical levels of deficiency. Although you're earning big points from all the human activity, the environmental cost of supporting all those people is now threatening the ecological stability of the planetary ecosystem.It is at this point you realize that, to beat the high score, you need to keep your human population alive at some level for the next 500 years, and yet the planet's resources are running out, reaching depletion in just 50 years or less. What should you do?You decide to just watch and see what happens. With your eyes fixated on the screen, the years tick past. Twenty-five years further into the simulation, the oil runs out, thrusting your simulated societies into an energy crisis. Without cheap, plentiful oil, food production grinds to a halt. Mass starvation takes hold in just one year, leading to disease and the unleashing of a global pandemic. Over the next five

years, the human population suffers a massive, catastrophic die-off, plummeting to less than a billion people. Your once-awesome score now looks pitiful: Human civilization crashed and you'll never win the simulation now. Game over.This is the outcome facing modern human civilization. .. and it's no game. The possibility is very real. Unless something drastic is done to find a balance between human consumption (which is directly tied to population) and the natural environment that supports us all, our population is going to crash, too. It is a simple matter of biology.

The population problem no one dares speak ofThere's no way around this sobering thought: Population is the problem. There are too many people consuming too much stuff. It cannot be sustained -- especially not at the very high rates of consumption our western world has grown used to.To solve this dilemma, you can either reduce the population over time (through one-child policies, for example) or reduce consumption (through a variety of means), but you've got to do something. In no way do I support the idea of a one-child policy, by the way. I don't support government intervention in our private lives, and I don't support governments mandating personal limits on our carbon consumption. But then again, if something radical doesn't change, it's fairly obvious that the human population is simply going to keep expanding until key resources are all dried up. And that, of course, will result in a devastating

crash of the human population.So there you have it: The price for our expansionistic, high-consumption lifestyles today is eventually going to be the blowout of human civilization in the future, followed by a sharp population crash. The only thing that can really stop it is forced government population control, a global pandemic, or some other widespread disaster that kills off a huge percentage of the world population. None of these seem particularly desirable.Or, perhaps, the world could be saved with a sudden burst of global education that teaches people to think about the long-term consequences of their own actions, but I'm not betting on that happening anytime soon. Even really smart people in first-world nations still burn up oil and use up resources as if there were no consequences. Education alone cannot save human civilization from destroying itself. Smart people are not necessarily ecologically- aware people. In

fact, you could argue that the most highly-educated people on the planet are precisely those who are consuming the greatest natural resources. (Poor, uneducated populations don't consume much for the simple reason that they cannot afford to.)There's no way around it: We are on a track headed straight for our own destruction. A planet-wide collapse is coming sometime this century.If you think I'm wrong, I'd like to hear from you. I hope I'm wrong, and I'm looking for a reasoned argument that can offer a solution to our population problem -- preferably without resorting to government-run population control initiatives or forced one-child policies. Seriously: How can the human species now save itself from its own destruction? Even free energy technologies aren't the answer, as they don't solve the problems of running out of fossil water, topsoil, natural habitat or rare earth metals used in industrial processes. Free energy

will only cause the human population to explode even more rapidly, worsening the current problem of over-population.I challenge every person reading this to do the math. Run the numbers yourself. Look at the limited resources on our planet and compare them with the per-capita consumption facts associated with modern-day consumers. Then consider what happens when the population keeps expanding... and add to that the desire for poorer nations to "achieve" the consumption rates of first-world nations like the USA.If you do the math, you'll quickly see it doesn't add up. The projects all come to a screeching halt in the next hundred years (if not sooner). The population growth rates still under way lead to a literal dead end, given current rates of consumption.This may not be a popular topic to write about. Most people prefer to pretend this problem doesn't exist (much like the U.S. national debt). But it is, in reality, the

single largest problem facing the future of human civilization: How do we find a way to live in balance with our natural environment while sustaining a steady population.. . without turning our world into a population control police state?I personally cannot think of any acceptable solution to this problem that does not involve some sort of massive population control measure... and that solution is, itself, unthinkable

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[ ] Humans vs. the environment - A thought experiment Date: Thursday, June 24, 2010, 12:09 PM

How long have you been aware of this? For me, it's been a few years. Have I done anything about it? NOT Really!

Ok, so I try to cut back on driving the car. I run all of my errands at one time. But I haven't put my 3 wheel bicycle together, that could be used locally.

Have I cut back on electricity? Well, I don't unplug everything. I did switch to energy saving bulbs and I try to keep the electronics off, if I am not paying attention to them, like TVs. But to unplug everything, and only plug it in when we need it, is hard because of where the outlets are. Hmm. Will have to look into that.

Do I recycle. No, but our garbage pickup doesn't recycle. But I could separate the plastic, glass & paper from rest of the junk and take them to where ever they have drops.

Do I purchase because I want something or need it? Oh, It's needed or I won't buy it.

Do I collect rain for water plants? Well we do have one rainbarrel now and I am please with it, so we will be adding more of the same.

What other ways, can we as individuals do to help save? The first that we need to do, it make All aware of the critical need of saving our environment. It's going to be difficult. Americans are spoiled. They want life easy. They are impractical. Instead of driving an economical vehicle, if they can afford to, they will buy a gas hog. Even if they can't afford it, they will buy it for the status symbol. Americans are so busy, we don't look farther than our noses. It needs to change, as the article below points out. It's going to take effort on our parts. Blessings, Joy

http://www.naturaln ews.com/029056_ environmental_ protection_ population_ control.html

Humans vs. the environment - A thought experiment

(NaturalNews) Protecting the environment isn't a "liberal" idea; it's everybody's business. Liberal or conservative, Democrat or Republican, the environment provides life support for us all, and if we fail to recognize that, we are truly doomed as a civilization.To help explain this, I've put together a simple thought experiment. It begins with three undeniable truths about humans and the environment:Truth #1 - The Earth's resources are limited.This should be self-evidence, but some people still don't get it. The Earth's resources -- oil, forests, water, energy, and so on -- are finite. They do not exist in infinite quantities. If they did, they would obviously be larger than the Earth itself (and would, in fact, fill the universe). But they don't fill the universe. They are contained within the boundaries of planet Earth, and therefore they are limited.Of course, many of Earth's resources can be either regenerated or recycled, but that only happens over time -- usually a long time. In the case of oil, it's hundreds of thousands of years. For fossil water it's much the same. The rate at which modern human civilization is using up these resources is orders of magnitude faster than the rate at which they can be naturally regenerated. This holds true for oil, water, topsoil, forests and more.Truth #2 - Each person living in modern civilization consumes some amount of the Earth's limited resources.This should also be self-evident: People consume resources. When you drive your car, you're obviously consuming limited natural resources. When you buy a car, you're consuming many other natural resources (all the elements that went into making a car), too. This is true even when you buy a solar panel.Every time you turn on a light switch, or open a package of food, or swallow a piece of food, you are consuming some amount of the Earth's limited resources.The sum of your consumption is called your "ecological footprint," and your ecological footprint is much larger than the immediate space you might call your home. The things you consume in your home require the resources of a much larger area far outside your home.A human child born in America today, for example, will consume 45,000 pounds of metal in their lifetime (through the products they purchase). That's 45,000 pounds of metal that must be mined, processed, transported and manufactured into consumable products, and metal mining is a very dirty business, by the way, even if that metal goes into making clean energy devices such as wind turbines.Truth #3 - Humans are altering the environmentYou can't argue with this (although some people ridiculously try). Human activity is altering our environment in a huge way, from the massive deforestation of the planet to the release of gases into the atmosphere. We've poisoned the rivers, destroyed natural habitat, polluted the oceans (Gulf of Mexico, anyone?) and altered the chemical composition of the atmosphere. These are undeniable scientific truths. No sane person can reasonably argue that human beings have not radically altered the environment of our planet over the last 200 years.If you visited North America 200 years ago, for example, you wouldn't even have recognized it as the same continent dominated by human beings today. A few hundred years ago, North America was teeming with life, with huge old-growth forests, pristine rivers and abundant plains. Today it is relatively dead, having been over-developed, over-paved and over-population to a point so extreme that our ancestors would largely consider it "dead".Truth #4 - Humans really like to have babiesThis is also self-evidence: People like to procreate. Every family, it seems, wants children, and those children want their own children, too. In general, human beings want to procreate without limitation. This, of course, leads to an explosion in population growth. We've seen this explosion over the last two hundred years as the Earth's population has grown from less than one billion people in 1800 to nearly seven billion today.Human beings do not consider their impact on the global population when they procreate. The decision to have children is made privately, selfishly, without regard to the impact on the planet. One more child seems like no big deal from the point of view of a couple that wishes for another son or daughter, but multiplied by billions, these decisions to procreate en masse lead to overpopulation, which leads to over-consumption of the planet's limited resources.

The Easter Island effectNow let's work our little thought experiment. Given the four simple truths described above, it is only a matter of time before the continued procreation of human beings collides with the reality of limited resources, causing a crisis of unsustainability.At some point, in other words, the continued expansion of human beings will destroy so much of the natural environment (and use so many natural resources) that there will not be enough resources available to support the continuation of the existing population.I call this the "Easter Island effect," in reference to the way in which the natives of Easter Island chopped down all their trees to build ever-larger monuments to themselves, and in doing so they destroyed their entire ecosystem and soon perished. The entire human civilization is now pulling an Easter Island on a global scale.

Our two choicesGiven that the unlimited expansion of the human population must inevitably use up key resources required to sustain human life, it stands to reason that there are only two choices for how we human beings can choose to deal with the situation:Choice #1 - We can acknowledge the ecological impact of human beings on our planet and make conscious choices to live within the bounds of sustainable balance with our planet (i.e. keeping our population size relatively stable by limiting runaway population growth, reducing our ecological footprint, respecting the natural environment that supports life on our planet, etc.).Choice #2 - We can continue our mindless population expansion and resource exploitation while ignoring any long-term consequences. This is the definition of stupidity, and yet it is precisely the path that modern human civilization is now choosing. It also seems to be the chosen path of "anti-environmental ists" -- people who resist the idea that we need to protect the environment at all.Sadly, human civilization has decided to go with choice #2. I believe the future of modern civilization is now set. Population expansion and resource depletion will soon collide with the limitations of our planet and result in a cataclysmic collapse of our civilization. We human beings are pulling off the Easter Island scenario, but with more than just trees: We're doing it with oil, water, soil and habitat. We are destroying the only planet that can keep us alive, and there now appears to be no stopping this self-destructive tendency of the human species.I have personally seen no evidence that the current human species is capable of long-term, sustainable balance with any ecosystem. It lacks the intelligent foresight necessary to anticipate such outcomes and make adjustments well in advance of them coming true. Some people among us even argue against environmental protection, not realizing they are essentially arguing for their own self-destruction.Other who are more thoughtful argue only against the fear of a world government enforcing environmental regulations at the expense of losing personal freedoms. This is a legitimate concern, and I happen to agree with these concerns. "Protecting the environment" can all too easily become a slippery mantra for world domination over individual freedom. The best way to avoid losing freedom while saving our environment is through education of the public that urges people to make better decisions without turning them into criminals if they fail to make those decisions.

Can humanity save itself?Saving human civilization from its own ignorance is no easy task. It will require intelligent, forward-thinking business leaders who see the long-term picture and who genuinely care about the future. Yet sadly, there is no such thing. Business leaders are, by definition, focused on the next fiscal quarter, not the next century. They will ALWAYS mortgage our collective future to increase their immediate profits.There is almost no such thing as a successful business person who is simultaneously an effective steward of our planet's natural resources. The simple act of generating more business -- in any business -- always results in more consumption because our entire economic system is based on consumption. It's even true about internet businesses, by the way. Every bit and byte you consume over the internet has an indirect environmental cost due to the electricity consumption of the CPUs delivering that content to you as well as, more importantly, the enormous cooling demand in data centers that spend fortunes just cooling all the computers running there.The fact that our economic activity is fundamentally based on consumption rather than conservation demonstrates why humanity is doomed to destroy itself. After seeing the failure of so many environmental summits, I'm convinced of it. I don't see any possible way that human beings will suddenly gain the intelligence and foresight necessary to live in balance with our natural world. Not without a crisis to teach everybody a few lessons, anyway. But even the Gulf Coast disaster isn't fundamentally changing the way business leaders think about consumption. They think it's just an "oil problem" not a global problem with the business models that drive our world into a self-destructive cycle of mindless consumption.

What may be coming in the next few yearsWhen the population continues to expand and most of the world's resources are wiped out, the human population will plunge into a time of great darkness. The loss of life will be immense -- perhaps as much as a 90% reduction in the planetary population. Ecosystems will fail, crops will fail and civilization itself will be brought to its knees. It won't take much to crash the current global system. Once the power grid is down for as little as 5 days, there's almost no bringing civilization back -- at least not modern civilization as we know it.Once the population is drastically reduced, the natural environment will have a chance to recover. Plants and animals will re-populate areas once lost to high-density human populations. And once the abundance returns, humans will again have the abundance necessary to re-populate, too. Hopefully future generations of human beings will learn from our present mistakes and not pursue the same path we did -- the path of endless consumption of the planet's resources to the point of destruction.On a long time scale, you will likely see human population rising, then crashing, then rising again from the ashes of a collapsed civilization. This is the ebb and flow of the future of life on Earth. You might even call it a "natural" cycle of human population expansion, then collapse, followed by expansion and yet more collapse. It's very similar to the way a virus invades a human body and multiplies until it kills the very host that once gave it life. In terms of big-picture behavior, humans are much like a virus on our planet.This cycle of destruction and rebirth could be balanced out, though, by a sufficiently intelligent species gifted with sufficient foresight to see what's coming and make early adjustments to avoid the population collapse. Our current human species, sadly, is not sufficiently intelligent to do so.

The corporate greed machineI hadn't really accepted this outcome as reality until just recently. I've always maintained a more optimistic attitude, thinking that we could find innovative ways to reverse climate change, reduce consumption, educate people and invent new technologies to clean up the planetary messes we've made. But I can now see that we're up against corporate monsters that are relentlessly pushing for our collective destruction.They're destroying our seeds and genes (for profit, no less), our soils, rivers, oceans and lands. They're corrupting our minds with pro-business propaganda and our bodies with their chemicals poisons. And they absolutely will not stop until every last exploitable resource on the planet has been used up and sold to a consumer. When our world is dominated by Monsanto, DuPont, oil companies, pharmaceutical companies, weapons manufacturers, junk food giants and chemical companies, there's not much hope for meaningful change that could set humanity on a new course of conservation and protection of life.Sadly, there is no stopping the great corporate greed machine. It will keep rolling forward, aiming for more growth, more consumption and more exploitation until the very last drop of oil is squeezed out of the tar sands and every last tree is slashed to make room for cattle ranching.A profit-based economic model cannot coexist with environmental protection because the two concepts are opposites. Big Business depends on endless growth, expansion, exploitation and consumption. But the environment can only be protected by consuming less. And that's not even in the vocabulary of today's business executives. The idea of consuming less is the antithesis of corporate profit and expansion.Have you ever seen a Coca-Cola ad that urged you to "drink less Coke"?That's why as long as corporations rule our world (and make no mistake, they already do), there is no saving the environment. Ergo, there is no saving ourselves from a complete civilization blowout that will eventually see the near-destruction of our natural world... with the collapse of the human population to soon follow.

The thought experiment - SimEarthImagine you're playing a software game called SimEarth. (Such a game actually exists, I believe, but I'm not referring to any real game. This is a fictional exercise.)In this SimEarth game, you get 1 point for every year that one human being is alive on planet Earth. The simulation runs for 1000 years and begins in the year we know as 1500 A.D.In the game, just as in the real world, the survival of human beings depends on the people having access to food, water, shelter, safety and other essentials. When the game begins, you have a blank slate SimEarth planet with enormous untapped resources of fossil oil, fossil water, old-growth forests, abundant ocean life and incredible biodiversity on land and sea. The human population is relatively small, perhaps only a few million people.As the game progresses and the years tick by, you start earning more and more points by allowing the human population to multiply. At one point, you turn on the invention of the combustion engine coupled with the discovery of oil, and then things really begin to accelerate: Food production suddenly multiplies, making food resources incredibly cheap and abundant, leading to a population explosion.As the points keep racking up, you watch as your SimEarth world becomes increasingly taken over by humans. The old growth forests are cut down and replaced with farm lands and cattle ranches. The once-abundant populations of wild animals are replaced by concrete highways and housing developments. Fossil water supplies drop sharply and oil drilling rigs pump out a heavy portion of the planet's remaining oil resources.Your points are really accelerating now as you watch the human population blow past four billion people, then five, and then six. At that point, on-screen statistics begin to flash red, warning you that world's oil, water, food, soil and ocean health are all reaching critical levels of deficiency. Although you're earning big points from all the human activity, the environmental cost of supporting all those people is now threatening the ecological stability of the planetary ecosystem.It is at this point you realize that, to beat the high score, you need to keep your human population alive at some level for the next 500 years, and yet the planet's resources are running out, reaching depletion in just 50 years or less. What should you do?You decide to just watch and see what happens. With your eyes fixated on the screen, the years tick past. Twenty-five years further into the simulation, the oil runs out, thrusting your simulated societies into an energy crisis. Without cheap, plentiful oil, food production grinds to a halt. Mass starvation takes hold in just one year, leading to disease and the unleashing of a global pandemic. Over the next five years, the human population suffers a massive, catastrophic die-off, plummeting to less than a billion people. Your once-awesome score now looks pitiful: Human civilization crashed and you'll never win the simulation now. Game over.This is the outcome facing modern human civilization. .. and it's no game. The possibility is very real. Unless something drastic is done to find a balance between human consumption (which is directly tied to population) and the natural environment that supports us all, our population is going to crash, too. It is a simple matter of biology.

The population problem no one dares speak ofThere's no way around this sobering thought: Population is the problem. There are too many people consuming too much stuff. It cannot be sustained -- especially not at the very high rates of consumption our western world has grown used to.To solve this dilemma, you can either reduce the population over time (through one-child policies, for example) or reduce consumption (through a variety of means), but you've got to do something. In no way do I support the idea of a one-child policy, by the way. I don't support government intervention in our private lives, and I don't support governments mandating personal limits on our carbon consumption. But then again, if something radical doesn't change, it's fairly obvious that the human population is simply going to keep expanding until key resources are all dried up. And that, of course, will result in a devastating crash of the human population.So there you have it: The price for our expansionistic, high-consumption lifestyles today is eventually going to be the blowout of human civilization in the future, followed by a sharp population crash. The only thing that can really stop it is forced government population control, a global pandemic, or some other widespread disaster that kills off a huge percentage of the world population. None of these seem particularly desirable.Or, perhaps, the world could be saved with a sudden burst of global education that teaches people to think about the long-term consequences of their own actions, but I'm not betting on that happening anytime soon. Even really smart people in first-world nations still burn up oil and use up resources as if there were no consequences. Education alone cannot save human civilization from destroying itself. Smart people are not necessarily ecologically- aware people. In fact, you could argue that the most highly-educated people on the planet are precisely those who are consuming the greatest natural resources. (Poor, uneducated populations don't consume much for the simple reason that they cannot afford to.)There's no way around it: We are on a track headed straight for our own destruction. A planet-wide collapse is coming sometime this century.If you think I'm wrong, I'd like to hear from you. I hope I'm wrong, and I'm looking for a reasoned argument that can offer a solution to our population problem -- preferably without resorting to government-run population control initiatives or forced one-child policies. Seriously: How can the human species now save itself from its own destruction? Even free energy technologies aren't the answer, as they don't solve the problems of running out of fossil water, topsoil, natural habitat or rare earth metals used in industrial processes. Free energy will only cause the human population to explode even more rapidly, worsening the current problem of over-population.I challenge every person reading this to do the math. Run the numbers yourself. Look at the limited resources on our planet and compare them with the per-capita consumption facts associated with modern-day consumers. Then consider what happens when the population keeps expanding... and add to that the desire for poorer nations to "achieve" the consumption rates of first-world nations like the USA.If you do the math, you'll quickly see it doesn't add up. The projects all come to a screeching halt in the next hundred years (if not sooner). The population growth rates still under way lead to a literal dead end, given current rates of consumption.This may not be a popular topic to write about. Most people prefer to pretend this problem doesn't exist (much like the U.S. national debt). But it is, in reality, the single largest problem facing the future of human civilization: How do we find a way to live in balance with our natural environment while sustaining a steady population.. . without turning our world into a population control police state?I personally cannot think of any acceptable solution to this problem that does not involve some sort of massive population control measure... and that solution is, itself, unthinkable

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