RE: Need help interpreting blood labs ()

[Guest guest]

Are you seeing a fertility doc? At your age, you really don't have a lot

of time to waste. It seems to me

that you're not getting the mid-cycle increase in estrogen and progesterone and

may need help during those times. A

fertility doc would know better than anyone here, I think.

Val

-----Original Message-----

From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ] On

Behalf Of

I'm in need of some serious help. I'm 39 and feeling

awful (chronic headaches not migraines) and having

many symptoms of low progesterone and/or

estrogen/testosterone

but don't fit the menopausal profile. I usually feel

the worse for the first 2-3 weeks of my cycle! I also

got married and would like

to get pregnant asap.

I'm on cortisol and armour thyroid and just began

compounded

prog. cream two months ago and began feeling bettter

after two

months of use. My periods were always on time (28

days) until

beginning the cream. After two months on the cream, my

period

came after " 2 weeks " . And the past year, it's

been

rather light.

Can anyone help interpreting my blood labs that were

taken prior to beginning the cream? I'm not clear on

the phase that I was in and notice how the lab changed

the words in the ranges for estradiol.

completed on 7 day of cycle:

Progesterone = <0.5

follicular phase: <1.4

luteal phase: 3.3 - 26.0

mid-luteal phase: 4.4 - 28.0

Estradiol = 122

follicular phase: 11-212

mid cycle: 18-480

luteal phase: < or = 247

------------ --------- --------- --------- ---------

------

completed on 14 day of cycle:

Progesterone = 0.6

follicular phase: <1.4

luteal phase: 3.3 - 26.0

mid-luteal phase: 4.4 - 28.0

Estradiol = <7

follicular phase: 11-212

mid cycle: 18-480

luteal phase: < or = 247

These both look very low to me.

------------ --------- --------- --------- ---------

------

completed on 21 day of cycle:

Progesterone = 20.8

follicular phase: <1.4

luteal phase: 3.3 - 26.0

mid-luteal phase: 4.4 - 28.0

Estradiol = 183

follicular phase: 11-212

mid cycle: 18-480

luteal phase: < or = 247

[Guest guest]

Well, that was my next step. I'm seeing an

alternative/complimentary medicine doctor who treats

many women with hormone imbalances but I don't think

he understands fertility. Thanks,

--- Valarie wrote:

> Are you seeing a fertility doc? At your age, you

> really don't have a lot of

> time to waste. It seems to me that you're not

> getting the mid-cycle

> increase in estrogen and progesterone and may need

> help during those times.

> A fertility doc would know better than anyone here,

> I think.

>

> Val

>

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: rhythmicliving

> [mailto:rhythmicliving ]

> On Behalf Of

>

>

> I'm in need of some serious help. I'm 39 and feeling

> awful (chronic headaches not migraines) and having

> many symptoms of low progesterone and/or

> estrogen/testosterone

> but don't fit the menopausal profile. I usually feel

> the worse for the first 2-3 weeks of my cycle! I

> also

> got married and would like

> to get pregnant asap.

>

> I'm on cortisol and armour thyroid and just began

> compounded

> prog. cream two months ago and began feeling bettter

> after two

> months of use. My periods were always on time (28

> days) until

> beginning the cream. After two months on the cream,

> my

> period

> came after " 2 weeks " . And the past year, it's been

> rather light.

>

> Can anyone help interpreting my blood labs that were

> taken prior to beginning the cream? I'm not clear on

> the phase that I was in and notice how the lab

> changed

> the words in the ranges for estradiol.

>

> completed on 7 day of cycle:

> Progesterone = <0.5

> follicular phase: <1.4

> luteal phase: 3.3 - 26.0

> mid-luteal phase: 4.4 - 28.0

>

> Estradiol = 122

> follicular phase: 11-212

> mid cycle: 18-480

> luteal phase: < or = 247

> ------------ --------- --------- --------- ---------

> ------

> completed on 14 day of cycle:

> Progesterone = 0.6

> follicular phase: <1.4

> luteal phase: 3.3 - 26.0

> mid-luteal phase: 4.4 - 28.0

>

> Estradiol = <7

> follicular phase: 11-212

> mid cycle: 18-480

> luteal phase: < or = 247

>

> These both look very low to me.

> ------------ --------- --------- --------- ---------

> ------

> completed on 21 day of cycle:

> Progesterone = 20.8

> follicular phase: <1.4

> luteal phase: 3.3 - 26.0

> mid-luteal phase: 4.4 - 28.0

>

> Estradiol = 183

> follicular phase: 11-212

> mid cycle: 18-480

> luteal phase: < or = 247

>

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Your day 21 P without progesterone cream (20.8) doesn't look like a

call for progesterone cream!!! If I read that correctly. It is

very common for alternative practitioners to advocate the use of P

cream. Dr. Vliet says she often finds young women with not enough E

rather than not enough P.

When I was 39 I went to Dr. Vliet's clinic in Dallas. My E at the

beginning of my cycle was menopausal. On day 21 my P was fertile

myrtle high!! The solution was birth control and oral E, t4 and t3

(they dx me as autoimmune thyroid) I was told to up my E and P dose

until I stopped bleeding. I couldn't stop bleeding, got scared and

went to a local women's health person in Austin. The alternative

practitioner announced (in spite of my blood tests) that I was E

dominant. !! grrrr that damn Lee book !! She convinced me I needed

to use P cream. I did, and at first it seemed good and I thought all

was well. My periods got so they were nearly not there. This after

a lifetime of 28-29 day cycles. At some point I lowered the P dose

and muddled along. I switched to Armour and t3. I realize now after

doing the WP that I was P overdosed and the allergies for the first

time in my life showed up then after using the P cream for about 4

months.

I eventually decided to have another babe and conceived immediately

at the age of 40. I think one of the helps for that was that I was

getting enough t3. It wasn't the P. I was easily fertile before I

ever touched the stuff. I had loads of low E symptoms for years

before conceiving - actually all my life from puberty onwards. Your

situation could be very different, but good idea to use caution about

P cream when you are seeing such high day 21 P even before the P

cream --- looks like fertility to my understanding.

BTW, were you tested for thyroid antibodies before getting on

Armour? Dr. Vliet's books and podcasts are fantastic. Her clinics

solution wasn't great for me and I wasn't willing to pay to fix

things, but I think her educational work is outstanding. Website is

herplace.com

Laurel

> Well, that was my next step. I'm seeing an

> alternative/complimentary medicine doctor who treats

> many women with hormone imbalances but I don't think

> he understands fertility. Thanks,

>

> --- Valarie wrote:

>

>> Are you seeing a fertility doc? At your age, you

>> really don't have a lot of

>> time to waste. It seems to me that you're not

>> getting the mid-cycle

>> increase in estrogen and progesterone and may need

>> help during those times.

>> A fertility doc would know better than anyone here,

>> I think.

>>

>> Val

>>

>>

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: rhythmicliving

>> [mailto:rhythmicliving ]

>> On Behalf Of

>>

>>

>> I'm in need of some serious help. I'm 39 and feeling

>> awful (chronic headaches not migraines) and having

>> many symptoms of low progesterone and/or

>> estrogen/testosterone

>> but don't fit the menopausal profile. I usually feel

>> the worse for the first 2-3 weeks of my cycle! I

>> also

>> got married and would like

>> to get pregnant asap.

>>

>> I'm on cortisol and armour thyroid and just began

>> compounded

>> prog. cream two months ago and began feeling bettter

>> after two

>> months of use. My periods were always on time (28

>> days) until

>> beginning the cream. After two months on the cream,

>> my

>> period

>> came after " 2 weeks " . And the past year, it's been

>> rather light.

>>

>> Can anyone help interpreting my blood labs that were

>> taken prior to beginning the cream? I'm not clear on

>> the phase that I was in and notice how the lab

>> changed

>> the words in the ranges for estradiol.

>>

>> completed on 7 day of cycle:

>> Progesterone = <0.5

>> follicular phase: <1.4

>> luteal phase: 3.3 - 26.0

>> mid-luteal phase: 4.4 - 28.0

>>

>> Estradiol = 122

>> follicular phase: 11-212

>> mid cycle: 18-480

>> luteal phase: < or = 247

>> ------------ --------- --------- --------- ---------

>> ------

>> completed on 14 day of cycle:

>> Progesterone = 0.6

>> follicular phase: <1.4

>> luteal phase: 3.3 - 26.0

>> mid-luteal phase: 4.4 - 28.0

>>

>> Estradiol = <7

>> follicular phase: 11-212

>> mid cycle: 18-480

>> luteal phase: < or = 247

>>

>> These both look very low to me.

>> ------------ --------- --------- --------- ---------

>> ------

>> completed on 21 day of cycle:

>> Progesterone = 20.8

>> follicular phase: <1.4

>> luteal phase: 3.3 - 26.0

>> mid-luteal phase: 4.4 - 28.0

>>

>> Estradiol = 183

>> follicular phase: 11-212

>> mid cycle: 18-480

>> luteal phase: < or = 247

>>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I'm taking the P when my labs showed low and stop

around the17th day. Doesn't that make more sense? Then

again, I was also very low in estrogen too at that

time, so he should have given me a little of that to

take too! I don't know but your story is very

interesting. I do have thyroid antibodies (hashi's)

that showed up on a saliva test before beginning

Armour. I introduced T3 after not getting the results

from Armour and still didn't feel well. The P cream

made a difference so far, but then the periods are

getting out whack and too close together! I'd hate to

have to see another doctor for this. My doctor will

probably give me estrogen but I wish I could find a

doctor that can look at all my hormones together, but

none of them understand them all except for Vliet.

Thanks,

--- Laurel wrote:

> Your day 21 P without progesterone cream (20.8)

> doesn't look like a

> call for progesterone cream!!! If I read that

> correctly. It is

> very common for alternative practitioners to

> advocate the use of P

> cream. Dr. Vliet says she often finds young women

> with not enough E

> rather than not enough P.

>

> When I was 39 I went to Dr. Vliet's clinic in

> Dallas. My E at the

> beginning of my cycle was menopausal. On day 21 my

> P was fertile

> myrtle high!! The solution was birth control and

> oral E, t4 and t3

> (they dx me as autoimmune thyroid) I was told to up

> my E and P dose

> until I stopped bleeding. I couldn't stop

> bleeding, got scared and

> went to a local women's health person in Austin.

> The alternative

> practitioner announced (in spite of my blood tests)

> that I was E

> dominant. !! grrrr that damn Lee book !! She

> convinced me I needed

> to use P cream. I did, and at first it seemed good

> and I thought all

> was well. My periods got so they were nearly not

> there. This after

> a lifetime of 28-29 day cycles. At some point I

> lowered the P dose

> and muddled along. I switched to Armour and t3. I

> realize now after

> doing the WP that I was P overdosed and the

> allergies for the first

> time in my life showed up then after using the P

> cream for about 4

> months.

>

> I eventually decided to have another babe and

> conceived immediately

> at the age of 40. I think one of the helps for that

> was that I was

> getting enough t3. It wasn't the P. I was easily

> fertile before I

> ever touched the stuff. I had loads of low E

> symptoms for years

> before conceiving - actually all my life from

> puberty onwards. Your

> situation could be very different, but good idea to

> use caution about

> P cream when you are seeing such high day 21 P even

> before the P

> cream --- looks like fertility to my understanding.

>

> BTW, were you tested for thyroid antibodies before

> getting on

> Armour? Dr. Vliet's books and podcasts are

> fantastic. Her clinics

> solution wasn't great for me and I wasn't willing to

> pay to fix

> things, but I think her educational work is

> outstanding. Website is

> herplace.com

>

> Laurel

>

>

>

>

>

>

> > Well, that was my next step. I'm seeing an

> > alternative/complimentary medicine doctor who

> treats

> > many women with hormone imbalances but I don't

> think

> > he understands fertility. Thanks,

> >

> > --- Valarie wrote:

> >

> >> Are you seeing a fertility doc? At your age, you

> >> really don't have a lot of

> >> time to waste. It seems to me that you're not

> >> getting the mid-cycle

> >> increase in estrogen and progesterone and may

> need

> >> help during those times.

> >> A fertility doc would know better than anyone

> here,

> >> I think.

> >>

> >> Val

> >>

> >>

> >> -----Original Message-----

> >> From: rhythmicliving

> >> [mailto:rhythmicliving ]

> >> On Behalf Of

> >>

> >>

> >> I'm in need of some serious help. I'm 39 and

> feeling

> >> awful (chronic headaches not migraines) and

> having

> >> many symptoms of low progesterone and/or

> >> estrogen/testosterone

> >> but don't fit the menopausal profile. I usually

> feel

> >> the worse for the first 2-3 weeks of my cycle! I

> >> also

> >> got married and would like

> >> to get pregnant asap.

> >>

> >> I'm on cortisol and armour thyroid and just began

> >> compounded

> >> prog. cream two months ago and began feeling

> bettter

> >> after two

> >> months of use. My periods were always on time (28

> >> days) until

> >> beginning the cream. After two months on the

> cream,

> >> my

> >> period

> >> came after " 2 weeks " . And the past year, it's

> been

> >> rather light.

> >>

> >> Can anyone help interpreting my blood labs that

> were

> >> taken prior to beginning the cream? I'm not clear

> on

> >> the phase that I was in and notice how the lab

> >> changed

> >> the words in the ranges for estradiol.

> >>

> >> completed on 7 day of cycle:

> >> Progesterone = <0.5

> >> follicular phase: <1.4

> >> luteal phase: 3.3 - 26.0

> >> mid-luteal phase: 4.4 - 28.0

> >>

> >> Estradiol = 122

> >> follicular phase: 11-212

> >> mid cycle: 18-480

> >> luteal phase: < or = 247

> >> ------------ --------- --------- ---------

> ---------

> >> ------

> >> completed on 14 day of cycle:

> >> Progesterone = 0.6

> >> follicular phase: <1.4

> >> luteal phase: 3.3 - 26.0

> >> mid-luteal phase: 4.4 - 28.0

> >>

> >> Estradiol = <7

> >> follicular phase: 11-212

> >> mid cycle: 18-480

> >> luteal phase: < or = 247

> >>

> >> These both look very low to me.

> >> ------------ --------- --------- ---------

> ---------

> >> ------

> >> completed on 21 day of cycle:

> >> Progesterone = 20.8

> >> follicular phase: <1.4

> >> luteal phase: 3.3 - 26.0

> >> mid-luteal phase: 4.4 - 28.0

> >>

> >> Estradiol = 183

> >> follicular phase: 11-212

> >> mid cycle: 18-480

> >> luteal phase: < or = 247

> >>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

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> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> > click here for our webpage

> http://rhythmicliving.com/

> >

> > **The group conversation is informational in

> nature and is not

> > intended as medical advice.**

[Guest guest]

Your P is supposed to be low, low until ovulation. I don't trust saliva

tests for hormones, especially if you're using transdermal P cream. It

seems to be unduly excreted in the saliva glands. Here's some reading for

you:

http://www.mja.com.au/public/issues/182_05_070305/wre10534_fm.html

Here's a picture of what your hormones are supposed to be doing throughout

the cycle:

http://www.wyosip.com/cycle.jpg

Note that first half, P is low. If your saliva tests are correct, you're

probably missing the burst of E2 at mid-cycle.

Val

-----Original Message-----

From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ]

On Behalf Of

I'm taking the P when my labs showed low and stop

around the17th day. Doesn't that make more sense? Then

again, I was also very low in estrogen too at that

time, so he should have given me a little of that to

take too! I don't know but your story is very

interesting. I do have thyroid antibodies (hashi's)

that showed up on a saliva test before beginning

Armour. I introduced T3 after not getting the results

from Armour and still didn't feel well. The P cream

made a difference so far, but then the periods are

getting out whack and too close together! I'd hate to

have to see another doctor for this. My doctor will

probably give me estrogen but I wish I could find a

doctor that can look at all my hormones together, but

none of them understand them all except for Vliet.

Thanks,

--- Laurel wrote:

> Your day 21 P without progesterone cream (20.8)

> doesn't look like a

> call for progesterone cream!!! If I read that

> correctly. It is

> very common for alternative practitioners to

> advocate the use of P

> cream. Dr. Vliet says she often finds young women

> with not enough E

> rather than not enough P.

>

> When I was 39 I went to Dr. Vliet's clinic in

> Dallas. My E at the

> beginning of my cycle was menopausal. On day 21 my

> P was fertile

> myrtle high!! The solution was birth control and

> oral E, t4 and t3

> (they dx me as autoimmune thyroid) I was told to up

> my E and P dose

> until I stopped bleeding. I couldn't stop

> bleeding, got scared and

> went to a local women's health person in Austin.

> The alternative

> practitioner announced (in spite of my blood tests)

> that I was E

> dominant. !! grrrr that damn Lee book !! She

> convinced me I needed

> to use P cream. I did, and at first it seemed good

> and I thought all

> was well. My periods got so they were nearly not

> there. This after

> a lifetime of 28-29 day cycles. At some point I

> lowered the P dose

> and muddled along. I switched to Armour and t3. I

> realize now after

> doing the WP that I was P overdosed and the

> allergies for the first

> time in my life showed up then after using the P

> cream for about 4

> months.

>

> I eventually decided to have another babe and

> conceived immediately

> at the age of 40. I think one of the helps for that

> was that I was

> getting enough t3. It wasn't the P. I was easily

> fertile before I

> ever touched the stuff. I had loads of low E

> symptoms for years

> before conceiving - actually all my life from

> puberty onwards. Your

> situation could be very different, but good idea to

> use caution about

> P cream when you are seeing such high day 21 P even

> before the P

> cream --- looks like fertility to my understanding.

>

> BTW, were you tested for thyroid antibodies before

> getting on

> Armour? Dr. Vliet's books and podcasts are

> fantastic. Her clinics

> solution wasn't great for me and I wasn't willing to

> pay to fix

> things, but I think her educational work is

> outstanding. Website is

> herplace.com

>

> Laurel

>

>

>

>

>

>

> > Well, that was my next step. I'm seeing an

> > alternative/complimentary medicine doctor who

> treats

> > many women with hormone imbalances but I don't

> think

> > he understands fertility. Thanks,

> >

> > --- Valarie wrote:

> >

> >> Are you seeing a fertility doc? At your age, you

> >> really don't have a lot of

> >> time to waste. It seems to me that you're not

> >> getting the mid-cycle

> >> increase in estrogen and progesterone and may

> need

> >> help during those times.

> >> A fertility doc would know better than anyone

> here,

> >> I think.

> >>

> >> Val

> >>

> >>

> >> -----Original Message-----

> >> From: rhythmicliving

> >> [mailto:rhythmicliving ]

> >> On Behalf Of

> >>

> >>

> >> I'm in need of some serious help. I'm 39 and

> feeling

> >> awful (chronic headaches not migraines) and

> having

> >> many symptoms of low progesterone and/or

> >> estrogen/testosterone

> >> but don't fit the menopausal profile. I usually

> feel

> >> the worse for the first 2-3 weeks of my cycle! I

> >> also

> >> got married and would like

> >> to get pregnant asap.

> >>

> >> I'm on cortisol and armour thyroid and just began

> >> compounded

> >> prog. cream two months ago and began feeling

> bettter

> >> after two

> >> months of use. My periods were always on time (28

> >> days) until

> >> beginning the cream. After two months on the

> cream,

> >> my

> >> period

> >> came after " 2 weeks " . And the past year, it's

> been

> >> rather light.

> >>

> >> Can anyone help interpreting my blood labs that

> were

> >> taken prior to beginning the cream? I'm not clear

> on

> >> the phase that I was in and notice how the lab

> >> changed

> >> the words in the ranges for estradiol.

> >>

> >> completed on 7 day of cycle:

> >> Progesterone = <0.5

> >> follicular phase: <1.4

> >> luteal phase: 3.3 - 26.0

> >> mid-luteal phase: 4.4 - 28.0

> >>

> >> Estradiol = 122

> >> follicular phase: 11-212

> >> mid cycle: 18-480

> >> luteal phase: < or = 247

> >> ------------ --------- --------- ---------

> ---------

> >> ------

> >> completed on 14 day of cycle:

> >> Progesterone = 0.6

> >> follicular phase: <1.4

> >> luteal phase: 3.3 - 26.0

> >> mid-luteal phase: 4.4 - 28.0

> >>

> >> Estradiol = <7

> >> follicular phase: 11-212

> >> mid cycle: 18-480

> >> luteal phase: < or = 247

> >>

> >> These both look very low to me.

> >> ------------ --------- --------- ---------

> ---------

> >> ------

> >> completed on 21 day of cycle:

> >> Progesterone = 20.8

> >> follicular phase: <1.4

> >> luteal phase: 3.3 - 26.0

> >> mid-luteal phase: 4.4 - 28.0

> >>

> >> Estradiol = 183

> >> follicular phase: 11-212

> >> mid cycle: 18-480

> >> luteal phase: < or = 247

> >>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

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> > click here for our webpage

> http://rhythmicliving.com/

> >

> > **The group conversation is informational in

> nature and is not

> > intended as medical advice.**

[Guest guest]

I had blood testing not saliva testing for P and E.

Also I was out of range for the P and E where I was

almost flatlined and I think you need a little bit to

keep you going. I will read up on this link you sent,

thanks!

--- Valarie wrote:

> Your P is supposed to be low, low until ovulation.

> I don't trust saliva

> tests for hormones, especially if you're using

> transdermal P cream. It

> seems to be unduly excreted in the saliva glands.

> Here's some reading for

> you:

>

>

http://www.mja.com.au/public/issues/182_05_070305/wre10534_fm.html

>

> Here's a picture of what your hormones are supposed

> to be doing throughout

> the cycle:

> http://www.wyosip.com/cycle.jpg

>

> Note that first half, P is low. If your saliva

> tests are correct, you're

> probably missing the burst of E2 at mid-cycle.

>

> Val

>

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: rhythmicliving

> [mailto:rhythmicliving ]

> On Behalf Of

>

> I'm taking the P when my labs showed low and stop

> around the17th day. Doesn't that make more sense?

> Then

> again, I was also very low in estrogen too at that

> time, so he should have given me a little of that to

> take too! I don't know but your story is very

> interesting. I do have thyroid antibodies (hashi's)

> that showed up on a saliva test before beginning

> Armour. I introduced T3 after not getting the

> results

> from Armour and still didn't feel well. The P cream

> made a difference so far, but then the periods are

> getting out whack and too close together! I'd hate

> to

> have to see another doctor for this. My doctor will

> probably give me estrogen but I wish I could find a

> doctor that can look at all my hormones together,

> but

> none of them understand them all except for Vliet.

>

> Thanks,

>

>

> --- Laurel wrote:

>

> > Your day 21 P without progesterone cream (20.8)

> > doesn't look like a

> > call for progesterone cream!!! If I read that

> > correctly. It is

> > very common for alternative practitioners to

> > advocate the use of P

> > cream. Dr. Vliet says she often finds young women

> > with not enough E

> > rather than not enough P.

> >

> > When I was 39 I went to Dr. Vliet's clinic in

> > Dallas. My E at the

> > beginning of my cycle was menopausal. On day 21

> my

> > P was fertile

> > myrtle high!! The solution was birth control and

> > oral E, t4 and t3

> > (they dx me as autoimmune thyroid) I was told to

> up

> > my E and P dose

> > until I stopped bleeding. I couldn't stop

> > bleeding, got scared and

> > went to a local women's health person in Austin.

> > The alternative

> > practitioner announced (in spite of my blood

> tests)

> > that I was E

> > dominant. !! grrrr that damn Lee book !! She

> > convinced me I needed

> > to use P cream. I did, and at first it seemed

> good

> > and I thought all

> > was well. My periods got so they were nearly not

> > there. This after

> > a lifetime of 28-29 day cycles. At some point I

> > lowered the P dose

> > and muddled along. I switched to Armour and t3.

> I

> > realize now after

> > doing the WP that I was P overdosed and the

> > allergies for the first

> > time in my life showed up then after using the P

> > cream for about 4

> > months.

> >

> > I eventually decided to have another babe and

> > conceived immediately

> > at the age of 40. I think one of the helps for

> that

> > was that I was

> > getting enough t3. It wasn't the P. I was

> easily

> > fertile before I

> > ever touched the stuff. I had loads of low E

> > symptoms for years

> > before conceiving - actually all my life from

> > puberty onwards. Your

> > situation could be very different, but good idea

> to

> > use caution about

> > P cream when you are seeing such high day 21 P

> even

> > before the P

> > cream --- looks like fertility to my

> understanding.

> >

> > BTW, were you tested for thyroid antibodies before

> > getting on

> > Armour? Dr. Vliet's books and podcasts are

> > fantastic. Her clinics

> > solution wasn't great for me and I wasn't willing

> to

> > pay to fix

> > things, but I think her educational work is

> > outstanding. Website is

> > herplace.com

> >

> > Laurel

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > On May 10, 2008, at 10:46 AM,

> wrote:

> >

> > > Well, that was my next step. I'm seeing an

> > > alternative/complimentary medicine doctor who

> > treats

> > > many women with hormone imbalances but I don't

> > think

> > > he understands fertility. Thanks,

> > >

> > > --- Valarie wrote:

> > >

> > >> Are you seeing a fertility doc? At your age,

> you

> > >> really don't have a lot of

> > >> time to waste. It seems to me that you're not

> > >> getting the mid-cycle

> > >> increase in estrogen and progesterone and may

> > need

> > >> help during those times.

> > >> A fertility doc would know better than anyone

> > here,

> > >> I think.

> > >>

> > >> Val

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> -----Original Message-----

> > >> From: rhythmicliving

> > >> [mailto:rhythmicliving ]

> > >> On Behalf Of

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> I'm in need of some serious help. I'm 39 and

> > feeling

> > >> awful (chronic headaches not migraines) and

> > having

> > >> many symptoms of low progesterone and/or

> > >> estrogen/testosterone

> > >> but don't fit the menopausal profile. I usually

> > feel

> > >> the worse for the first 2-3 weeks of my cycle!

> I

> > >> also

> > >> got married and would like

> > >> to get pregnant asap.

> > >>

> > >> I'm on cortisol and armour thyroid and just

> began

> > >> compounded

> > >> prog. cream two months ago and began feeling

> > bettter

> > >> after two

> > >> months of use. My periods were always on time

> (28

> > >> days) until

> > >> beginning the cream. After two months on the

> > cream,

> > >> my

> > >> period

> > >> came after " 2 weeks " . And the past year, it's

> > been

> > >> rather light.

> > >>

> > >> Can anyone help interpreting my blood labs that

> > were

> > >> taken prior to beginning the cream? I'm not

> clear

>

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I'm sorry, I was reading too fast.

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I had blood testing not saliva testing for P and E.