bottled water

August 3, 2009

Filtration " denatures " water?? Hmmm, I'd like to see references on

that. Sounds like pop science.

I have nothing against Crystal Geyser in particular, just bottled

water in general. As I said, the plastic bottles are a huge

environmental problem; more than 60 million bottles are thrown away

daily, according to the Container Recycling Institute, and only a

paltry percentage is recycled. They form a large part of the Great

Pacific Garbage Patch. Plastic doesn't biodegrade, it only

photodegrades into smaller and smaller particles of plastic, which

then gets ingested by many animals, especially marine animals since

that's where so much plastic ends up. This is having a devastating

effect on animal and fish reproduction and nutrition. Lots of kids

seem to be growing up thinking bottled is the only kind of water you

can drink, whereas most are simply tap water and are not even

regulated as much as tap water; tests have shown many brands of

bottled water to be higher in contaminants than municipal water. The

plastic is not a high-grade plastic and there is much concern that it

leaches chemicals, especially if it is re-used or sits in the sun. The

companies that bottle and sell water are usually taking a public good

(the local groundwater) and selling it for private profit. This

reduces the water table for local residents and may have devastating

effects on the ecosystem. I recommend two excellent documentaries on

water issues: Thirst, and Flow (For Love of Water). They cover some of

the same ground and are quite eye-opening. (Another, Blue Gold: World

Water Wars, just came out and I haven't see it yet, but it's won all

kinds of film awards.) Crystal Geyser may well be one of the better

brands, but it's still in a plastic bottle and they're still selling

the public something we get cheaper and with more disclosure/

transparency from municipalities. Water is the third biggest industry,

after oil and electricity, and it's fast becoming a geopolitical

crisis. More and more watersheds are becoming privatized, putting

clean drinking water, which out to be every one's right, into the

hands of profit-driven multinational corporations that increasingly

wield political power and are accountable to no one but shareholders

(and then only for making money). On many levels, a bottle of water is

not as innocuous as it looks at first glance.

On Aug 2, 2009, at 10:41 PM, Holt wrote:

> It got a low grade because there isn't very much information on it

> listed from the company and it is put through minimal filtration. I

> prefer that spring water is put through minimal filtration because

> filtration denatures the water. A lot of companies will go 50%

> spring water and 50% filtered tap water.

>

> I buy the gallon containers for 78 cents a piece and throw it into a

> 5 gallon glass container. I think it is wasteful to get the 16 oz

> packs. I can just add some bentonite or pyrophilite clay into it to

> filter out any extra impurities. You know the expensive Evian water

> is naturally filtered by clay at their site. There are other cheap

> remedies I can do to further purify it. I was told by a

> nutritionist it takes a year for the plastic particles to start

> mixing into the water.

>

> If I could afford it I would go with Evian, fiji, or maybe even

> perrier instead. I don't feel like I'm missing out on much else

> though.

>

> Is there any other reason you don't like crystal geyser than the

> reasons I listed above?

>

> From: Jeanmarie Todd <jaytee3@...>

> Subject: Re: magnesium chloride oil, crystal geyser

>

> Date: Sunday, August 2, 2009, 10:23 PM

>

> Thanks, . I just checked and I think I was thinking of Calistoga

>

> Water Co. as one of the many bottled water brands owned by Nestle.

>

> I just found this report card on the Environmental Working Group

>

> site. They list the owner as Crystal Geyser Alpine Spring Water/ CG

>

> Roxane, LLC. EWG gives this water a D grade. For details, see:

>

> http://www.ewg. org/health/ report/bottledwa ter-scorecard/ search?

> id= BW14

>

August 3, 2009

It costs $2000 for a water filter that even comes close to bringing water back

to it's natural state after all the filtration and running through city pipes.

Water was meant to run over rocks with the magnetism of the earth all around it

lacking in tap water.

Check out this article and other articles on this website:

http://www.radiantlifecatalog.com/pure_water

There's technology for " resetting " the memory of water though. I follow message

boards in the ormus community and they use various water for their alchemy.

They say they get better results with their monatomic elements if they use

spring water vs. filtered tap water with it's memory reset and reprogrammed.

Vinny Pinto states it took millions of years for that water to develop in such

the way as it does. I guess it has to do with being put through all those miles

of pipes and all the filtration that denatures it. There are a couple things

you can do though to bring it back to form, such as putting it into an oval egg

shaped glass and setting it on a device that mimics the magnetic pull of the

earth. That is one quality tap water lacks, the earth's pull effect it has on

water. That's why it's better to even drink straight from the springs it came

from.

I wish the company that produces crystal geyser spring water would sell 10

gallon glass containers of it's spring water. The would fix the problem waste

problem. If everyone got the gallon containers instead that would only be 5.3

million bottles of waste a day.

>

> From: Jeanmarie Todd <jaytee3mac (DOT) com>

> Subject: Re: magnesium chloride oil, crystal geyser

>

> Date: Sunday, August 2, 2009, 10:23 PM

>

> Thanks, . I just checked and I think I was thinking of Calistoga

>

> Water Co. as one of the many bottled water brands owned by Nestle.

>

> I just found this report card on the Environmental Working Group

>

> site. They list the owner as Crystal Geyser Alpine Spring Water/ CG

>

> Roxane, LLC. EWG gives this water a D grade. For details, see:

>

> http://www.ewg. org/health/ report/bottledwa ter-scorecard/ search?

> id= BW14

>

August 3, 2009

Undoubtedly, water from a local spring or running over rocks in a

clean river is best. Or filtered rainwater. The radiant life filtering

systems are great but, as you point out, very pricey. It's a lifetime

investment, that's for sure. There aren't necessarily simple solutions

for everyone, depending on their local situation.

I'm skeptical about water " memory " etc. without some credible

references on it. Sounds like new agey marketing hype. And water can

hardly escape the magnetic pull of the earth except in a spaceship

taking it out of earth's orbit. But I'm open to being convinced with

evidence.

10-gallon glass bottles would be quite heavy and obviously breakable.

Unfortunately more and more water companies that used to use glass

bottles (liter-sized) are switching to plastic, such as Gerolsteiner,

because of the cost to transport using them. I've seen Perrier in both

plastic and glass.

Water is *the* big environmental issue on the horizon. What's

happening already around the world is very frightening. About one-

sixth the earth's population doesn't have access to clean drinking

water. Increasingly, big water utilities buy up their local aquifers,

with all kinds of promises of free housing and jobs etc. to be moved

off their land, and then the people are plunged into poverty because

the water company raises prices. So the poor haul buckets of

contaminated river water, they get cholera. It's a nasty business.

Jeanmarie

On Aug 3, 2009, at 2:29 AM, Holt wrote:

> It costs $2000 for a water filter that even comes close to bringing

> water back to it's natural state after all the filtration and

> running through city pipes. Water was meant to run over rocks with

> the magnetism of the earth all around it lacking in tap water.

>

> Check out this article and other articles on this website:

>

> http://www.radiantlifecatalog.com/pure_water

>

> There's technology for " resetting " the memory of water though. I

> follow message boards in the ormus community and they use various

> water for their alchemy. They say they get better results with

> their monatomic elements if they use spring water vs. filtered tap

> water with it's memory reset and reprogrammed. Vinny Pinto states

> it took millions of years for that water to develop in such the way

> as it does. I guess it has to do with being put through all those

> miles of pipes and all the filtration that denatures it. There are

> a couple things you can do though to bring it back to form, such as

> putting it into an oval egg shaped glass and setting it on a device

> that mimics the magnetic pull of the earth. That is one quality tap

> water lacks, the earth's pull effect it has on water. That's why

> it's better to even drink straight from the springs it came from.

>

> I wish the company that produces crystal geyser spring water would

> sell 10 gallon glass containers of it's spring water. The would fix

> the problem waste problem. If everyone got the gallon containers

> instead that would only be 5.3 million bottles of waste a day.

>

> From: Jeanmarie Todd <jaytee3@...>

> Subject: Re: bottled water

>

> Date: Monday, August 3, 2009, 12:43 AM

>

> Filtration " denatures " water?? Hmmm, I'd like to see references on

>

> that. Sounds like pop science.

>

August 3, 2009

I believe the problem with rain water is that it may be stripped of it's

minerals.

>

> From: Jeanmarie Todd <jaytee3mac (DOT) com>

> Subject: Re: bottled water

>

> Date: Monday, August 3, 2009, 12:43 AM

>

> Filtration " denatures " water?? Hmmm, I'd like to see references on

>

> that. Sounds like pop science.

>

August 3, 2009

Interesting. How would that happen? I've read only positive things

about it. Of course, if you live in a heavily industrialized area, it

would need filtering.

Jeanmarie

On Aug 3, 2009, at 11:03 AM, Holt wrote:

> I believe the problem with rain water is that it may be stripped of

> it's minerals.

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Water is such a tough subject that drives me so crazy that I find myself not

drinking as much waster as I should b/c I am so filled with doubts. I just drink

a variety b/c it's so hard to get to the truth. I sometimes do reverse osmosis

but then I heard (from someone who sells very expensive water ozone machines)

that reverse osmosis is horrible and that if you put reverse osmosis water in a

jar for a few days, black stuff grows on it or in it or near it...I don't

remember exactly. But he said there used to be all this information available

about how bad R.O is and now you can't find anything about it. Being that I am

partial to conspiracy theories, that got under my skin a little. Then there is

spring water where you don't know what the heck is in it or if it's just tap

water. I drink perrier sometimes and then I wonder if the carbonation is bad for

me, then there's a machine at whole foods that gives ionized water and I don't

even know what that does but I throw that into the mix just in case.

I use the gallon glass containers and I am there every three days anyways to

shop for freah meat so it's not an issue and when I use filtered water I put

those concentrace in them, but I wonder if the molecules are combining the way

they should. Sometimes I put the water out in the sun, supposedly it's better in

a blue glass container.

It's so overwhelming, it's like you want to feel good about what you are

drinking. I think they will never successfully come up with anything to

depollute water. It just seems it's not possible to escape the negative effects

of technology with more technology. I look at the lunacy of modern medicine and

it just drives the point home. I remember at the conference in 2005 when there

were panel discussions about various topics and singer told this story of

these people on a train in europe, or something, and they had their burger king

and they blessed it and just seemed to enjoy what they were eating, and that

story always stayed with me (was anyone else there?) I should take my filled

water containers to the local church and have the priest bless it for me b/c I

can't seem to get any closer to some good water options at this point.

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August 3, 2009

Me too. I started using my RO water to make fermented infusions to

replenish minerals and probiotics. I rarely drink plain water anymore.

-jennifer

On Aug 3, 2009, at 6:44 PM, Cray Fish wrote:

> Water is such a tough subject that drives me so crazy....

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August 4, 2009

I've had RO water in glass jars for a few months and no black stuff grew on it.

> Water is such a tough subject that drives me so crazy that I find myself not