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I have learned I can exercise, get enough sleep, cook healthy tasty treats, eat healthy foods, express feelings, look better, and feel better.

What a wonderful success story !!! Your hard work has paid off. Congratulations! I'm going to look into that cookbook you mentioned, thanks.

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Kathy,

Your story was very helpful. I will let you know how it goes. Thanks very much

and all the best.

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To: tetheredspinalcord

Sent: Sun, March 21, 2010 8:16:16 AM

Subject: Re: My story

 

Hi Steve,

I am 48, was diagnosed with Lipomeningocele at 37, and have had five untethering

surgeries over an approximate 8-10 year period. This is my story. Before the

initial untethering, I exercised almost every day and I exercised hard - I was

raising four children, worked full-time as a teacher and was enjoying everything

in my left except bladder leaking and a left leg that would not build muscle no

matter how hard I worked-out.

They thought the leaking was from a prolapsed bladder (four children) and I had

a bladder tuck surgery which never healed correctly. I could not empty my

bladder after this surgery which finally led me to a very smart uro who noticed

my flabby left leg and also noted hyper reflexes in my left and right

legs/clonus in my ankles and a positive Babinski. He sent me to a neurologist

who did an MRI that showed the Lipo. Neuro sent me to a neurosurgeon (nsg) who

explained what Lipomeningocele is, why I needed surgery (to possibly return

bladder function, to reverse muscle wasting) and what the reflexes and Babinski

meant (screwed up nervous system from the tether).

I had surgery, woke up in agony, and unfortunately, the pain did not leave - it

faded a bit for a while, I went back to work, but couldn't keep up and retired

early. My bladder function did not return and within months, other " areas "

started to show signs of neuro decline - progressive spasticity, bowel issues,

etc. My nsg sent me, with new MRI's in tow to a specialist at Mass Gen. Hosp.

This nsg said I never should have had the first untethering - he went on to

explain because I had been tethered since birth (obviously before), that my

nervous system had rewired at some point to allow for the problems that the

tether presented. Because there were not any surgical interventions as a child

(I did have odd problems as a child that no one put blame on a tether that my

parents knew about, but never told me; thankfully), basically once I reached

full height, because these problems I had as a kid had settled down (peeing when

I laughed, orthotic problems that

were not a big deal), he felt that once I had been untethered, my nervous

system tried to 're-heal " , unwired, rewired and rewired incorrectly. Hence pain

signals to areas where nothing was wrong (legs, hips, back, buttocks, genital

area, feet, etc), bladder/bowel problems, spasticity, etc.

That said - he did say I was stuck at that point though. I had had the surgery -

was left with decline and needed to decide if I felt another painful surgery was

worth the risks - he said he didn't know at that point only time would tell. He

just said he was sorry and wished I had come to him first because many adults do

not have a full childhood history taken and looked at - if I had, my nsg would

have realized I had symptoms as a child that stopped once I reached full height

which would have (hopefully) given him pause.

I went back to Maine and had another untethering for a spinal cord stuck to scar

tissue on the left side. I desperately wanted my body and life back. I so badly

wanted it back - because each surgery brought some relief for a time, then

decline and more decline than I had before the surgery, I kept chasing this body

that was not going to return. I had two spinal fluid leaks (not the kind that

can be corrected with blood patches) and needed lengthy surgeries for repairs.

After the fourth surgery, I started to lose function once cold air hit me. It

would slowly return once warm. This became much worse the more I was exposed to

bitter cold air - for whatever reason it sent my nervous system into overdrive.

I was housebound in the winter and fall (and some Springs), showered every

night, but dreaded the temperate change I was going to experience in the shower,

plus the water hitting me hurt. Sheets touching me hurt - socks, pants, etc.

Botox injections in my legs helped a lot, but didn't touch the cold weather

problem.

I had a fifth untethering and the same as above occurred. We had had it - our

son, our youngest was a freshman in high school and we decided that once he left

for college, we were moving to a southern state, near a good hospital. We waited

and four years ago moved to NC. The best thing we ever did and the way things

fell in place for us once we put our home on the market in Maine - we should

have known how this move was meant to be.

Fast-forward - I found a great pain clinic and joined a study for a pain pump

filled with gabapentin (an anti-seizure med). It took probably 70% of my back

pain away, made my legs less sensitive, but didn't help any other problems.

However, without that debilitating back pain, I returned to teaching. I am now

losing the use of my right leg, have incredible pain in my legs - to the point

where nothing is really helping except laying in bed after work and most of

Saturday, then the cycle starts again Monday (work). I am retethered on the

right side; hence the right leg loss and back pain has increased but still

helped by intrathecal gabapentin.

I had a myleogram done in Dec.and my nsg has not recommended surgery " until " I

lose the use of my leg or just before (if I can figure that point out). He also

offered me a new surgery that has been discussed at length on the list recently.

He does not recommend surgery for many reasons - he said the surgery is

horrendous on someone that has as much scar tissue as I have - no amount of

monitoring helps - he said the outcome rate is not good, and that because of my

surgical outcome history, he would also not recommend surgery until the above

point. That said, pretty much every area that can be affected is and has been

for a while - I forgot to mention the feeling that I lost after the first

surgery - lost from my left butt cheek down - a spiraling sensation loss that is

permanent in my right leg and now my legs go completely dead - no feeling at all

- once Tuesday is here. My right leg drags behind me by Tuesday/Wed. and my left

foot drops. No idea why and

all my nsg could do was give me hypothesis of why. They're not God and I came

to realize that years ago.

After each untethering - and as the symptoms returned and more problems came - I

would see another nsg in Boston for a second opinion (the one I first saw had

retired). Some would say they recommended further surgery - some said no way. No

one agreed. I also have a Chiari malformation that thankfully has not needed

surgery. I finally realized that for my situation, if I saw a good nsg, one who

had a lot of experience, had a decent bed-side manner and was one that I trusted

and could talk with - I was not going to run around and get different opinions

any longer which is why I am staying put with no surgery right now. I don't know

how long I can put it off - I will have surgery, I guess, once I feel that my

leg is on its way out or I lose it. I'll be honest, the surgery is painful and

although they say you forget pain, for whatever reason, the pain I experience

after untetherings is not something I forget even though it only lasts at that

level for maybe

two days.

I do want to emphasize and reiterate, this is my story only. Everyone is

different and those that have been on this long enough and still experience

problems will tell you this also - for the most part, only those of us with

problems remain on the list. Those that get better after surgery usually leave

the list eventually - there are a couple that have thankfully remained. However,

remember, this is a bit of a lop-sided membership.

Let us know what you decide and I hope your pain mgt. group is aggressive in

treating the pain. Once it gets ahead of you it's harder to control ... I wish I

had been like you though and waited, listened to others, and I wish I had seen

more than one nsg. My nsg that did my surgeries is fantastic and never did one

thing wrong - but that initial intake may have put me in a different spot. I

don't dwell on that at all though and am thankful for many, many things. Good

luck -

Kathy

My story

I am a 56 year old male who was diagnosed with TCS about two years ago.

Previously to that, i had never experienced any back issues others than the

occassional stiffness of aging in an active lifestyle. Two years ago, i woke one

morning with severe nerve pain in the lower left back, left buttock and genital

area. After failures to get satisfactory answers from my GP, i made my way to a

'pain doctor' who conducted MRI and provdied me with the diagnosis and directed

me to a neurosurgeon. This surgeon supported the diagnosis and said that he

would not operate 'on his brother' if he had same diagnosis. I left very

dejected but not unwilling to pursue the quest for satisfactory answers and

physical solutions.

Fast forward over the past two years, I have wored to ensure the pain wouldn't

alter my lifestyle but it has eventually crept in with more severity (especially

during and after sitting) and long stints of standing leaves my 56 year old legs

a little weak but standing does relieve the pain a good degree. During these two

years, I have seen 3 more neurosurgeons and each of them has been open to

surgery and feels like this could lead to relieving pain. They also say that

surgery could lead to some paralysis and bladder/bowel dimished function but

they go on to say that these are low risk. Each indicate that following surgery,

there will not be any adjustments to lifestyle in terms of being able to do and

have the same level of physical activity I do currently. I love to golf and

exercise regularly and don't want to risk that. ly, these are factors at

the core of my considerations. So that said, I searching through this group to

find adults with

similar situations who have had surgery and what were outcomes and also find

individuals who have elected not to have surgery and if their condition has

progressed. Thank you in advance for your feedback.

SJ

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Hi Steve - welcome to the group! I am 45 yrs old and was detethered two years

ago. I do have less aching in my legs from the surgery (this took over a year

to see the benefits) but I'm still left with low back and leg pain while

walking, bending and lifting and a weak left leg with nerve damage and muscle

wasting. No b & b issues before or after the surgery. However, I do have other

underlying issues (spondylolisthesis) for which I am contemplating a spinal

fusion. So, I am not a perfect specimen for judging how well the surgery worked

for me as my spondo is likely also contributing to many of my symptoms. I have

had back problems since the age of 18 but managed to lead and extremely active

life until about 10 + years ago.

As mentioned to you already - everyone's situation is different - this medical

condition seems to affect everyone slightly differently and there are several

forms of TC. Mine was a tight/fatty filum which is a less risky surgery to

" correct " than say a tether involving a lipoma. Nina, one of our group members

wrote has a good website explaining the different types of TC that she wrote

years ago. Here is the link:

http://www.btinternet.com/~tetheredcordresources/

Basically, all you can do is way to pros and cons of doing the surgery versus

not doing the surgery - and make sure you are seeing a NS who is experienced

with this surgery - very important! If you have no neurological decline you are

in a good position to wait if you don't want to go ahead with it right now, and

can be carefully monitored. Nerve damage is difficult to reverse once it's been

going on for awhile.

There have been many people who've come and gone on this site who have had good

results, and unfortunately some that have not done so well.

Dee

To: tetheredspinalcord

From: stevegray54@...

Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 06:49:47 -0700

Subject: Re: My story

Kathy,

Your story was very helpful. I will let you know how it goes. Thanks very much

and all the best.

________________________________

To: tetheredspinalcord

Sent: Sun, March 21, 2010 8:16:16 AM

Subject: Re: My story

Hi Steve,

I am 48, was diagnosed with Lipomeningocele at 37, and have had five untethering

surgeries over an approximate 8-10 year period. This is my story. Before the

initial untethering, I exercised almost every day and I exercised hard - I was

raising four children, worked full-time as a teacher and was enjoying everything

in my left except bladder leaking and a left leg that would not build muscle no

matter how hard I worked-out.

They thought the leaking was from a prolapsed bladder (four children) and I had

a bladder tuck surgery which never healed correctly. I could not empty my

bladder after this surgery which finally led me to a very smart uro who noticed

my flabby left leg and also noted hyper reflexes in my left and right

legs/clonus in my ankles and a positive Babinski. He sent me to a neurologist

who did an MRI that showed the Lipo. Neuro sent me to a neurosurgeon (nsg) who

explained what Lipomeningocele is, why I needed surgery (to possibly return

bladder function, to reverse muscle wasting) and what the reflexes and Babinski

meant (screwed up nervous system from the tether).

I had surgery, woke up in agony, and unfortunately, the pain did not leave - it

faded a bit for a while, I went back to work, but couldn't keep up and retired

early. My bladder function did not return and within months, other " areas "

started to show signs of neuro decline - progressive spasticity, bowel issues,

etc. My nsg sent me, with new MRI's in tow to a specialist at Mass Gen. Hosp.

This nsg said I never should have had the first untethering - he went on to

explain because I had been tethered since birth (obviously before), that my

nervous system had rewired at some point to allow for the problems that the

tether presented. Because there were not any surgical interventions as a child

(I did have odd problems as a child that no one put blame on a tether that my

parents knew about, but never told me; thankfully), basically once I reached

full height, because these problems I had as a kid had settled down (peeing when

I laughed, orthotic problems that

were not a big deal), he felt that once I had been untethered, my nervous

system tried to 're-heal " , unwired, rewired and rewired incorrectly. Hence pain

signals to areas where nothing was wrong (legs, hips, back, buttocks, genital

area, feet, etc), bladder/bowel problems, spasticity, etc.

That said - he did say I was stuck at that point though. I had had the surgery -

was left with decline and needed to decide if I felt another painful surgery was

worth the risks - he said he didn't know at that point only time would tell. He

just said he was sorry and wished I had come to him first because many adults do

not have a full childhood history taken and looked at - if I had, my nsg would

have realized I had symptoms as a child that stopped once I reached full height

which would have (hopefully) given him pause.

I went back to Maine and had another untethering for a spinal cord stuck to scar

tissue on the left side. I desperately wanted my body and life back. I so badly

wanted it back - because each surgery brought some relief for a time, then

decline and more decline than I had before the surgery, I kept chasing this body

that was not going to return. I had two spinal fluid leaks (not the kind that

can be corrected with blood patches) and needed lengthy surgeries for repairs.

After the fourth surgery, I started to lose function once cold air hit me. It

would slowly return once warm. This became much worse the more I was exposed to

bitter cold air - for whatever reason it sent my nervous system into overdrive.

I was housebound in the winter and fall (and some Springs), showered every

night, but dreaded the temperate change I was going to experience in the shower,

plus the water hitting me hurt. Sheets touching me hurt - socks, pants, etc.

Botox injections in my legs helped a lot, but didn't touch the cold weather

problem.

I had a fifth untethering and the same as above occurred. We had had it - our

son, our youngest was a freshman in high school and we decided that once he left

for college, we were moving to a southern state, near a good hospital. We waited

and four years ago moved to NC. The best thing we ever did and the way things

fell in place for us once we put our home on the market in Maine - we should

have known how this move was meant to be.

Fast-forward - I found a great pain clinic and joined a study for a pain pump

filled with gabapentin (an anti-seizure med). It took probably 70% of my back

pain away, made my legs less sensitive, but didn't help any other problems.

However, without that debilitating back pain, I returned to teaching. I am now

losing the use of my right leg, have incredible pain in my legs - to the point

where nothing is really helping except laying in bed after work and most of

Saturday, then the cycle starts again Monday (work). I am retethered on the

right side; hence the right leg loss and back pain has increased but still

helped by intrathecal gabapentin.

I had a myleogram done in Dec.and my nsg has not recommended surgery " until " I

lose the use of my leg or just before (if I can figure that point out). He also

offered me a new surgery that has been discussed at length on the list recently.

He does not recommend surgery for many reasons - he said the surgery is

horrendous on someone that has as much scar tissue as I have - no amount of

monitoring helps - he said the outcome rate is not good, and that because of my

surgical outcome history, he would also not recommend surgery until the above

point. That said, pretty much every area that can be affected is and has been

for a while - I forgot to mention the feeling that I lost after the first

surgery - lost from my left butt cheek down - a spiraling sensation loss that is

permanent in my right leg and now my legs go completely dead - no feeling at all

- once Tuesday is here. My right leg drags behind me by Tuesday/Wed. and my left

foot drops. No idea why and

all my nsg could do was give me hypothesis of why. They're not God and I came

to realize that years ago.

After each untethering - and as the symptoms returned and more problems came - I

would see another nsg in Boston for a second opinion (the one I first saw had

retired). Some would say they recommended further surgery - some said no way. No

one agreed. I also have a Chiari malformation that thankfully has not needed

surgery. I finally realized that for my situation, if I saw a good nsg, one who

had a lot of experience, had a decent bed-side manner and was one that I trusted

and could talk with - I was not going to run around and get different opinions

any longer which is why I am staying put with no surgery right now. I don't know

how long I can put it off - I will have surgery, I guess, once I feel that my

leg is on its way out or I lose it. I'll be honest, the surgery is painful and

although they say you forget pain, for whatever reason, the pain I experience

after untetherings is not something I forget even though it only lasts at that

level for maybe

two days.

I do want to emphasize and reiterate, this is my story only. Everyone is

different and those that have been on this long enough and still experience

problems will tell you this also - for the most part, only those of us with

problems remain on the list. Those that get better after surgery usually leave

the list eventually - there are a couple that have thankfully remained. However,

remember, this is a bit of a lop-sided membership.

Let us know what you decide and I hope your pain mgt. group is aggressive in

treating the pain. Once it gets ahead of you it's harder to control ... I wish I

had been like you though and waited, listened to others, and I wish I had seen

more than one nsg. My nsg that did my surgeries is fantastic and never did one

thing wrong - but that initial intake may have put me in a different spot. I

don't dwell on that at all though and am thankful for many, many things. Good

luck -

Kathy

My story

I am a 56 year old male who was diagnosed with TCS about two years ago.

Previously to that, i had never experienced any back issues others than the

occassional stiffness of aging in an active lifestyle. Two years ago, i woke one

morning with severe nerve pain in the lower left back, left buttock and genital

area. After failures to get satisfactory answers from my GP, i made my way to a

'pain doctor' who conducted MRI and provdied me with the diagnosis and directed

me to a neurosurgeon. This surgeon supported the diagnosis and said that he

would not operate 'on his brother' if he had same diagnosis. I left very

dejected but not unwilling to pursue the quest for satisfactory answers and

physical solutions.

Fast forward over the past two years, I have wored to ensure the pain wouldn't

alter my lifestyle but it has eventually crept in with more severity (especially

during and after sitting) and long stints of standing leaves my 56 year old legs

a little weak but standing does relieve the pain a good degree. During these two

years, I have seen 3 more neurosurgeons and each of them has been open to

surgery and feels like this could lead to relieving pain. They also say that

surgery could lead to some paralysis and bladder/bowel dimished function but

they go on to say that these are low risk. Each indicate that following surgery,

there will not be any adjustments to lifestyle in terms of being able to do and

have the same level of physical activity I do currently. I love to golf and

exercise regularly and don't want to risk that. ly, these are factors at

the core of my considerations. So that said, I searching through this group to

find adults with

similar situations who have had surgery and what were outcomes and also find

individuals who have elected not to have surgery and if their condition has

progressed. Thank you in advance for your feedback.

SJ

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Hello SJ,

I'm a 54 year old female just diagnoised with Lipoma with tethered spinal cord,

over the past year the pains in my legs have gotten bad I don't even have to be

moving them and I will still feel pain shooting down my legs, exercize seems to

make it worst even walking, sitting causes more pain, but for me and this is my

own opionion I would never risk the surgery to go from one problem to another

extreme problem with bladder and bowel issues and the recouperation that it will

take to recover....I can still do things but in moderation, I rather

take pain medication then have the operation.....

Sharon 

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To: tetheredspinalcord

Sent: Sun, March 21, 2010 7:50:25 AM

Subject: My story

 

I am a 56 year old male who was diagnosed with TCS about two years ago.

Previously to that, i had never experienced any back issues others than the

occassional stiffness of aging in an active lifestyle. Two years ago, i woke one

morning with severe nerve pain in the lower left back, left buttock and genital

area. After failures to get satisfactory answers from my GP, i made my way to a

'pain doctor' who conducted MRI and provdied me with the diagnosis and directed

me to a neurosurgeon. This surgeon supported the diagnosis and said that he

would not operate 'on his brother' if he had same diagnosis. I left very

dejected but not unwilling to pursue the quest for satisfactory answers and

physical solutions.

Fast forward over the past two years, I have wored to ensure the pain

wouldn't alter my lifestyle but it has eventually crept in with more severity

(especially during and after sitting) and long stints of standing leaves my 56

year old legs a little weak but standing does relieve the pain a good

degree. During these two years, I have seen 3 more neurosurgeons and each of

them has been open to surgery and feels like this could lead to relieving pain.

They also say that surgery could lead to some paralysis and bladder/bowel

dimished function but they go on to say that these are low risk. Each indicate

that following surgery, there will not be any adjustments to lifestyle in terms

of being able to do and have the same level of physical activity I do currently.

I love to golf and exercise regularly and don't want to risk that. ly,

these are factors at the core of my considerations. So that said, I searching

through this group to find adults with

similar situations who have had surgery and what were outcomes and also find

individuals who have elected not to have surgery and if their condition has

progressed. Thank you in advance for your feedback.

SJ

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