RE: Re: WP rhythm/dose amounts - Marty

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yes, thanks, that info is very helpful. there has been alot of discussion here whether estradiol can be absorbed in a cream base - apparently you dont have a problem with getting the E absorbed?

Christa

To: rhythmicliving From: marty@...Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 12:06:56 -0800Subject: Re: Re: WP rhythm/dose amounts

It just happens that I go to a Compounding Pharmacy that became Wley certified , and even though I am not on the Wiey protocol they give me this prescription complete which started using this gaudy packaging, which is kind of a turn off to me. Kind of strange because my doc, and the pharmacist knows that I am not "technically" using the protocol. (I don't fill the prescription often enough to be on the protocol so it has been obvious to the pharmacist ) Sometimes I wonder if I am in the statistics of being on the protocol, which would be an error. I was only on the WP 2 1/2 months before I figured it was nuts to think a one size fits all was appropriate, or to try to get testing numbers up to a certain level. I came to this realization after reading Rythmicliving website and women's experiences. I am very thankful for the sharing everyone has done.

If you are at all familiar with the WP, the variation during the month is someone complicated. It is what is written in her book. You increase dosage of E until day 12, then drop down until day 28. P is started on day 14 and continued until day 28, increasing dosage up to day 21, then decrease until day 28 then stop. Way too complicated for me, and too much. Since I am so terrible at taking anything on a daily basis (never took birth control) it is remarkable that I have done as well as I have remembering to use these creams twice a day.

The dosages are measured in lines (I like this delivery method) :

E (Estradiol) is 1.0mg/.0.1 ml (one line) crm, P is 25 mg/0.1 ml (one line) crm

For E it starts at (4)lines, continues to 8, then goes back down to (4), twice a day.

For P it starts at (4) lines, goes up to 14, then back down to (4), twice a day.

What I do is make sure I have enough variation in dosage to have a cycle. I make sure that I take enough E during the month, and enough P and then stop the P. Then I have a period. So far I have had a somewhat normal period (3+ days moderate light flow) almost every month for almost 3 yrs.

My E dosage is a little more than half of the Wiley protocal. I stay at about (2+) lines a day, twice a day, increase it towards day 12 then drop down. My P dosage is at most half of the dosage, which by many peoples standards is still high. I also keep it more simple as well, increase dosage a little more towards day 21. I have read that the creams are not the best delivery system for P, but have yet to change to something different. But I am open to changing in the future.

I hope this somewhat answers your question, I guess I don't know what the base is (I did at one time, and probably should talk to my pharmacist, who is very good)

Thanks,

Marty

Marty - just curious what doses of E and P you have been using that are working for you. and what base are they each in? I currently use 6mg of E and 4mg T per day in OO skin drops days 4 thru 27, and have stopped P all-together for a few cycles to detox from a P overdose I had from going by my prescribing drs protocol of high P doses. I am waiting for saliva test results to see if I even need any P at all. I am 43 in peri. thanksChrista

To: rhythmicliving From: martyfiorovichgroupDate: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 13:35:31 -0800Subject: Re: Re: WP rhythem

I am able to cycle on about 1/2 the Wiley doses, a little more E than half. I was in menopause for 1 1/2 yrs before I started, and I have been doing this for 3 years. I should mention that I've always had an easy time with my cycles, very regular, probably not many hormonal fluctuations.

Marty

I asked my Dr. the same thing about doing rhythmic cycling and usinglower doses and he said it is possible to do that but in the schemeof things because our hormones fluctuate minute to minute he said itwould be very difficult to do. I chose not to go on the WP becauseof the very high doses of E and P. The problem is you may do OK forawhile but then as the hormones build up you can get into big trouble. My ARNP gave me a list of side effects from too much E, Pand T and I will locate it today and share with you all. Basically,I am on Bi-est 50/50 2 mg twice a day, progesterone 20 mg twice a dayday 15-30 and testosterone 1.5 mg twice a day. This is a new proto-col (slightly lower doses on everything) and I switched from prom-etrium to transdermal cream. I think I am a science project. I do feel great and my Dr. is so wonderful to work with. He really listens and gives advice. Makes sense to me too. Take care all of you.Barbara> > > > > >> > > > > > , not all doctors "push estriol." Certainly, mine > > doesn't. > > > I > > > > > think a> > > > > > lot of "natural" ones are stuck in the Lee, > > > > > > > > era and do> > > > > > not keep up with research.> > > > > > > > > > > > Val> > > > > > > > > > > > From: rhythmicliving@ <mailto:rhythmicliv <mailto:rhythmicliv?>> ing%> > 40yahoogroups.com>> > > yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:rhythmicliv <mailto:rhythmicliv?> ing%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > [mailto:rhythmicliv <mailto:rhythmicliv?> ing@ <mailto:rhythmicliv> <mailto:rhythmicliv?> ing%> > 40yahoogroups.com>> > > yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:rhythmicliv <mailto:rhythmicliv?> ing%40yahoogroups.com> ]> > > > > > On Behalf Of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Val - once and for all, I would like to know why doctors > > keep > > > > > pushing > > > > > > the estriol instead of estradiol. And why wasn't it FDA > > > approved? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > _____ > > More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail> <http://o.aolcdn.com/cdn.webmail.aol.com/mailtour/aol/en-us/text.htm?ncid=ao> lcmp00050000000003> !>

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