Guest guest Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 A reminder: eat more protein, less fat and carbohydrates CHICAGO (Reuters) - Diets high in protein may be the best way to keep hunger in check, U.S. researchers said on Thursday in a study that offers insight into how diets work. They found that protein does the best job at keeping a hunger hormone in check, while carbohydrates and fats may well deserve their current nasty reputation. The study, which will appear in the Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism, looked at the effectiveness of different nutrients at suppressing ghrelin, a hormone secreted by the stomach that stimulates appetite. " Suppression of ghrelin is one of the ways that you lose your appetite as you begin to eat and become sated, " said Dr. Cummings of the University of Washington in Seattle, who worked on the study. The researchers gave 16 people three different beverages, each with varying levels of carbohydrates, fats, and proteins. They took blood samples before the first beverage, then every 20 minutes for six hours afterward, measuring ghrelin levels in each sample. " The interesting findings were that fats suppress ghrelin quite poorly, " Cummings said in a telephone interview. They fared the poorest overall. " Proteins were the best suppressor of ghrelin in terms of the combination of the depth and duration of suppression, " he said. " That is truly satisfying because high proteins are essentially common to almost all of the popular diets. " They also found that eating carbohydrates resulted in a strong ghrelin suppression at first, but ghrelin levels rebounded with a vengeance, rising to an even higher level. Basically, the carbohydrates eventually made people even hungrier than before they had eaten. Cummings said the findings may aid in future research on the effectiveness of different diets. And the study likely means that nightly bowl of ice cream is out. " That is a bad idea no matter what, " he said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 I always wondered why eating cereal in the morning made me starving two hours later, while bacon and eggs kept me going way past lunchtime. Interesting...I wonder if it would help diabetics? Ed Frey wrote: A reminder: eat more protein, less fat and carbohydratesCHICAGO (Reuters) - Diets high in protein may be the best way to keep hunger in check, U.S. researchers said on Thursday in a study that offers insight into how diets work. They found that protein does the best job at keeping a hunger hormone in check, while carbohydrates and fats may well deserve their current nasty reputation.The study, which will appear in the Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism, looked at the effectiveness of different nutrients at suppressing ghrelin, a hormone secreted by the stomach that stimulates appetite."Suppression of ghrelin is one of the ways that you lose your appetite as you begin to eat and become sated," said Dr. Cummings of the University of Washington in Seattle, who worked on the study.The researchers gave 16 people three different beverages, each with varying levels of carbohydrates, fats, and proteins. They took blood samples before the first beverage, then every 20 minutes for six hours afterward, measuring ghrelin levels in each sample."The interesting findings were that fats suppress ghrelin quite poorly," Cummings said in a telephone interview. They fared the poorest overall."Proteins were the best suppressor of ghrelin in terms of the combination of the depth and duration of suppression," he said. "That is truly satisfying because high proteins are essentially common to almost all of the popular diets."They also found that eating carbohydrates resulted in a strong ghrelin suppression at first, but ghrelin levels rebounded with a vengeance, rising to an even higher level.Basically, the carbohydrates eventually made people even hungrier than before they had eaten.Cummings said the findings may aid in future research on the effectiveness of different diets.And the study likely means that nightly bowl of ice cream is out. "That is a bad idea no matter what," he said Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 A reminder: eat more protein, less fat and carbohydrates This is one study. There are a whole lot of other studies that do NOT agree with the benefits of eating high amounts of protein. Personally, I think that staying away from the whites (sugar, rice) and processed foods and eating good carbs like vegetables and fruits and foods high in fiber is a better way to maintain a healthy diet. This is especially true if you are getting your protein from sources like red meat, which is unhealthy for a whole lot of reasons! (check out The China Study!) JanetStart the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 I always wondered why eating cereal in the morning made me starving two hours later, while bacon and eggs kept me going way past lunchtime. Interesting...I wonder if it would help diabetics? After 20+ years of teaching diabetic home health patients, I believe it is all about balance. Personally, I think an egg in the morning is a great idea. (I would not recommend bacon to anyone - but then I teach a lot about cardiac issues as well). I would recommend a slice of whole grain toast with the egg and a piece of fruit. I think its all about balance. One of the things I like about Sparkpeople.com is that you can plug everything you eat and at the end of the day click and see how your nutrition balances out (I also love the fact that its free). For advice to diabetics, I think the most wonderful site I have found on the internet is Mendosa: A Writer on the Web If you have diabetes, learning about the glycemic index is one of the best things you can do for yourself. JanetStart the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2008 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 Thanks, Janet - Sparkpeople.com sounds worthwhile. No, I'm not diabetic...but my dog is...I have to cook for her and you're right, balance is so important. I have to include complex carbs with her protein because they breakdown slower and her blood sugar stays stable longer. I can really tell when she's spiking up...her behavior is totally different. She's also gone blind from the diabetes - it's such a horrible disease! OHHHH...I do love bacon - yep, the egg is all about the bacon here on the farm - lol - BethDreamOn145@... wrote: In a message dated 1/19/2008 1:11:04 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, BethLackey writes: I always wondered why eating cereal in the morning made me starving two hours later, while bacon and eggs kept me going way past lunchtime. Interesting...I wonder if it would help diabetics? After 20+ years of teaching diabetic home health patients, I believe it is all about balance. Personally, I think an egg in the morning is a great idea. (I would not recommend bacon to anyone - but then I teach a lot about cardiac issues as well). I would recommend a slice of whole grain toast with the egg and a piece of fruit. I think its all about balance. One of the things I like about Sparkpeople.com is that you can plug everything you eat and at the end of the day click and see how your nutrition balances out (I also love the fact that its free). For advice to diabetics, I think the most wonderful site I have found on the internet is Mendosa: A Writer on the Web If you have diabetes, learning about the glycemic index is one of the best things you can do for yourself. Janet Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year. Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2008 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 it's really cool that someone finally did a really useful test about something people have been saying for a long time. everyone in my family is hypoglycemic and all the hypo books have always said, protein, protein, protein. you shouldn't over do it though, you get a case of acidosis with too much protein. i find that even the protein doesnt work if i forget to make some veggies and have a small bite of carbs with the meal. laurie > > A reminder: eat more protein, less fat and carbohydrates > > CHICAGO (Reuters) - Diets high in protein may be the best way to keep > hunger in check, U.S. researchers said on Thursday in a study that > offers insight into how diets work. > > They found that protein does the best job at keeping a hunger hormone > in check, while carbohydrates and fats may well deserve their current > nasty reputation. > > The study, which will appear in the Journal of Clinical Endocrinology > & Metabolism, looked at the effectiveness of different nutrients at > suppressing ghrelin, a hormone secreted by the stomach that > stimulates appetite. > > " Suppression of ghrelin is one of the ways that you lose your > appetite as you begin to eat and become sated, " said Dr. > Cummings of the University of Washington in Seattle, who worked on > the study. > > The researchers gave 16 people three different beverages, each with > varying levels of carbohydrates, fats, and proteins. They took blood > samples before the first beverage, then every 20 minutes for six > hours afterward, measuring ghrelin levels in each sample. > > " The interesting findings were that fats suppress ghrelin quite > poorly, " Cummings said in a telephone interview. They fared the > poorest overall. > > " Proteins were the best suppressor of ghrelin in terms of the > combination of the depth and duration of suppression, " he said. " That > is truly satisfying because high proteins are essentially common to > almost all of the popular diets. " > > They also found that eating carbohydrates resulted in a strong > ghrelin suppression at first, but ghrelin levels rebounded with a > vengeance, rising to an even higher level. > > Basically, the carbohydrates eventually made people even hungrier > than before they had eaten. > > Cummings said the findings may aid in future research on the > effectiveness of different diets. > > And the study likely means that nightly bowl of ice cream is > out. " That is a bad idea no matter what, " he said > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2008 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 higher protein lower carbs has long been known by good drs to help diabetics! Jane I always wondered why eating cereal in the morning made me starving two hours later, while bacon and eggs kept me going way past lunchtime. Interesting...I wonder if it would help diabetics? Ed Frey <edlfrey> wrote: A reminder: eat more protein, less fat and carbohydratesCHICAGO (Reuters) - Diets high in protein may be the best way to keep hunger in check, U.S. researchers said on Thursday in a study that offers insight into how diets work. They found that protein does the best job at keeping a hunger hormone in check, while carbohydrates and fats may well deserve their current nasty reputation.The study, which will appear in the Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism, looked at the effectiveness of different nutrients at suppressing ghrelin, a hormone secreted by the stomach that stimulates appetite."Suppression of ghrelin is one of the ways that you lose your appetite as you begin to eat and become sated," said Dr. Cummings of the University of Washington in Seattle, who worked on the study.The researchers gave 16 people three different beverages, each with varying levels of carbohydrates, fats, and proteins. They took blood samples before the first beverage, then every 20 minutes for six hours afterward, measuring ghrelin levels in each sample."The interesting findings were that fats suppress ghrelin quite poorly," Cummings said in a telephone interview. They fared the poorest overall."Proteins were the best suppressor of ghrelin in terms of the combination of the depth and duration of suppression," he said. "That is truly satisfying because high proteins are essentially common to almost all of the popular diets."They also found that eating carbohydrates resulted in a strong ghrelin suppression at first, but ghrelin levels rebounded with a vengeance, rising to an even higher level.Basically, the carbohydrates eventually made people even hungrier than before they had eaten.Cummings said the findings may aid in future research on the effectiveness of different diets.And the study likely means that nightly bowl of ice cream is out. "That is a bad idea no matter what," he said Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2008 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 depends on the type of diabetes.i have a friend who is type 1 since age 9 or so and he said fully insulin dep diabetics cant process a lot of protein and fats, so he's pretty careful and doesn't eat more than the minimum of protein. for type 2, i would guess it would help the same as hypoglycemics laurie A reminder: eat more protein, less fat and carbohydrates > > CHICAGO (Reuters) - Diets high in protein may be the best way to keep > hunger in check, U.S. researchers said on Thursday in a study that > offers insight into how diets work. > > They found that protein does the best job at keeping a hunger hormone > in check, while carbohydrates and fats may well deserve their current > nasty reputation. > > The study, which will appear in the Journal of Clinical Endocrinology > & Metabolism, looked at the effectiveness of different nutrients at > suppressing ghrelin, a hormone secreted by the stomach that > stimulates appetite. > > " Suppression of ghrelin is one of the ways that you lose your > appetite as you begin to eat and become sated, " said Dr. > Cummings of the University of Washington in Seattle, who worked on > the study. > > The researchers gave 16 people three different beverages, each with > varying levels of carbohydrates, fats, and proteins. They took blood > samples before the first beverage, then every 20 minutes for six > hours afterward, measuring ghrelin levels in each sample. > > " The interesting findings were that fats suppress ghrelin quite > poorly, " Cummings said in a telephone interview. They fared the > poorest overall. > > " Proteins were the best suppressor of ghrelin in terms of the > combination of the depth and duration of suppression, " he said. " That > is truly satisfying because high proteins are essentially common to > almost all of the popular diets. " > > They also found that eating carbohydrates resulted in a strong > ghrelin suppression at first, but ghrelin levels rebounded with a > vengeance, rising to an even higher level. > > Basically, the carbohydrates eventually made people even hungrier > than before they had eaten. > > Cummings said the findings may aid in future research on the > effectiveness of different diets. > > And the study likely means that nightly bowl of ice cream is > out. " That is a bad idea no matter what, " he said > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2008 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 most doctors suggest not exceeding 2 to 3 ounces per meal. i generally eat 3oz for breakfast 2 for lunch and 3 for dinner. mostly eggs or chicken with the occasional steak or porkchop a month. i also eat tofu with many of my asian dishes. laurie > > > > A reminder: eat more protein, less fat and carbohydrates > > > > CHICAGO (Reuters) - Diets high in protein may be the best way to keep > > hunger in check, U.S. researchers said on Thursday in a study that > > offers insight into how diets work. > > > > They found that protein does the best job at keeping a hunger hormone > > in check, while carbohydrates and fats may well deserve their current > > nasty reputation. > > > > The study, which will appear in the Journal of Clinical Endocrinology > > & Metabolism, looked at the effectiveness of different nutrients at > > suppressing ghrelin, a hormone secreted by the stomach that > > stimulates appetite. > > > > " Suppression of ghrelin is one of the ways that you lose your > > appetite as you begin to eat and become sated, " said Dr. > > Cummings of the University of Washington in Seattle, who worked on > > the study. > > > > The researchers gave 16 people three different beverages, each with > > varying levels of carbohydrates, fats, and proteins. They took blood > > samples before the first beverage, then every 20 minutes for six > > hours afterward, measuring ghrelin levels in each sample. > > > > " The interesting findings were that fats suppress ghrelin quite > > poorly, " Cummings said in a telephone interview. They fared the > > poorest overall. > > > > " Proteins were the best suppressor of ghrelin in terms of the > > combination of the depth and duration of suppression, " he said. " That > > is truly satisfying because high proteins are essentially common to > > almost all of the popular diets. " > > > > They also found that eating carbohydrates resulted in a strong > > ghrelin suppression at first, but ghrelin levels rebounded with a > > vengeance, rising to an even higher level. > > > > Basically, the carbohydrates eventually made people even hungrier > > than before they had eaten. > > > > Cummings said the findings may aid in future research on the > > effectiveness of different diets. > > > > And the study likely means that nightly bowl of ice cream is > > out. " That is a bad idea no matter what, " he said > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2008 Report Share Posted January 20, 2008 higher protein lower carbs has long been known by good drs to help diabetics! Jane, We could launch into a discussion of diets and nutrition that would last forever and arrive at no definitive conclusions because the number of studies is vast and the results are conflicting. When it comes to the idea of high protein, the first question has go to be, protein from what sources? If you are talking about increasing your consumption of Tofu, beans, and nonanimal protein sources, that is one thing. If you are talking about increasing consumption of animal products then you talking about increasing your risk of problems with cardiovascular health. Personally, the only diet I seen which has actually been demonstrated to reverse diabetes and not just control it is the program promoted by Fuhrman in his Eat to Live book (website Dr. Fuhrman Improves Health - Lose Weight Naturally | Reverse Diabetes | Prevent Heart Disease and Cancer | Lower Choles..) and which is pretty closely patterned after the Dean Ornish diet which, as far as I know, is the only diet which has been documented to reverse cardiovascular disease. (website Dean Ornish, MD, Lifestyle Program ) Both of these programs are essentially plant based diets which promote large amounts of minimally processed and raw foods. I belonged to an Eat to Live yahoo group for a while and there are people in there who tell amazing stories about disease reversal as a result of giving up sugar and processed carbs. One of the women has a website (Fatfree Vegan Recipes) which I still frequent for recipes and I am slowly replacing all of my old cookbooks with vegetarian cookbooks and trying to develop vegetarian dishes that I like as well as my old favorites. In 2008 I also plan to start attempting some of the raw food "recipes" I have seen. I am not a vegetarian, but I have significantly lowered my meat consumption and the meat that I do eat is normally in stews or stir fries so that my portions are closer to 2 oz then 4. I also rarely eat meat more than once a day. Unfortunately for me, I do love to cook and have not been successful in switching over to lifestyle as completely as I believe that I should! lol As far as doctors recommendations, very few doctors know much about nutrition. They get it in med school and then rely on nutritionists for education. Even now, when patients are sent to diabetic education, they come home with book about how to "count carbs" and are told not to have more than (generally) 60 carbs per meal. They frequently come away with the idea that as long as they don't exceed their carb limit, they can eat what they want, which is simply not the case. And they receive NO education in diabetic education about the quality of the carbs that they eat. Then their cardiologist sends them to cardiac rehab and they come home with a cardiac diet. That tells them to lower their consumption of saturated fat and animal products and increase their consumption of fruits and vegetables. Eventually, if their diabetes is uncontrolled long enough, they come home with a kidney diet because their kidneys start to fail! I actually have home health patients with all of these diets stuck on their walls!! They get so confused they go to Bojangles for breakfast and forget it! What is needed is an ongoing program of nutritional health education which covers all aspects of eating for health. Good luck finding it! JanetStart the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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