Guest guest Posted July 14, 2008 Report Share Posted July 14, 2008 Last week I attended my first WP meeting. I just completed 8 weeks of the Protocol and am now wondering how I can make these mylar packages actually work for me without out going bonkers. Out of the dozen women who were in the meeting the dosage was tweaked and even more radical than the original dosages. Two of the " older " women (in their mid 60's) we now on Testosterone. Another two of the women had put on so much weight they were now doing the HGC diet (injecting urine from pregnant women and consuming only 500 calories a day). Naturally, I listed my complaints and lack of a period since I have had an endometrial ablation. I explained that the first two weeks were not in tune with the lunar calendar and that I did two below the line. I felt great--no more hot flashes and cheery. When I increased the E and introduced the P I gained 6lbs., had cramps, was sick to my stomach, depressed, yadayadayada. It was suggested to me to simply lower everything two below the line yet continue with the protocol. I called my regular GYN who unfortunately was just taking off for a two week vacation. She called in a prescription for an E patch (low dose) and a P pill that is to be taken every day. I am not going to continue introducing the huge of amounts of E or P. I am glad I figured this out during the first month. I am NOT 20 years old and what made me happy then certainly doesn't make me happy now. So...with all of that being said, would anyone on the list suggest it to be okay to continue with 2-3 lines of E daily and then on the 14th day introduce 2-3 lines of P until the 25th day? After the readings I have done I see that I need some P--the question is how much. As mentioned above the GYN suggested a " daily " pill. Egads. Thanks for the imput. Jacquie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2008 Report Share Posted July 14, 2008 If you have no uterus, why take P? If you needed to add it later because you felt you needed it, you could. Gael Ladies: Thank you for the feedback. My eyes are going buggy from all of thereading I have done lately trying to get adequate information neededto make some healthy choices. I truly appreciate what you have tosay. I believe that experience is the best guide. Since I cannot have periods I suppose taking the 100 mgs for half thetime would work for me as well. I like that non-compliantstance--which is why I started out with the WP to begin with. Thebasic premise behind WP appears logical however, after reading theside effects of toxic doses of P I am seeking yet another alternativeroute. One month on the protocol was enough to hear that my body wasNOT happy.j>> The amount of P needed may be very individual. I take two pumps ofEstrogel> each day. Six days of 100 mg Prometrium is more than enough to causecycling> for me. I still get some side effects, (and five high flow days withcramps)> PMS like bloating and am going to try even shorter dose. I use the> Prometrium vaginally because I don¹t tolerate it well orally.> > There seems to be a consensus here that vaginal application has stronger> effects than Prometrium taken orally, but my GYN doesn¹t seem awareof that> and wants me to use continuously. So I am now a noncompliant patientwith> 10Xs more Prometrium sitting around than I can use.> > In hindsight, my unpleasant perimenopausal symptoms were all thoseof too> much P relative to E, heavy bleeding, bloating, slow digestion, lethargy> etc. etc.> > Karima> > > > > > > > > > > According to Dr. Gillespie (www.hormonediva.com) estradiol is noteasily> > transported through a cream base. Indeed, I have posted researchhere that> > shows that estradiol and estriol creams are both good facialtreatments> > because they penetrate only the very upper depths of the dermis,but are not> > reflected in blood tests nor endometrium growth.> > > > Wiley E is in a cream base of some sort. I know some women heregot high> > estradiol levels with it but it seems I remember some not able toget their> > estradiol up very high. I cannot tell you what to do.> > > > If you are willing to have a period, you can take 200 mg of thePrometrium> > for 10 - 12 days/month instead of taking it every day. Over thecourse of a> > month, you would take in less P if you cycle with it.> > > > I am totally off all hormones until I have my primary aldosteronism> > addressed. When I was taking hormones, I used 1.5 mg of transdermal> > estradiol gel (Estrogel) and took 200 mg of Prometrium on thefirst nine> > days of each calendar month. That regimen was good for me.> > > > Val> > > > -----Original Message----- From: rhythmicliving > > <mailto:rhythmicliving%40yahoogroups.com>> > [mailto:rhythmicliving > > <mailto:rhythmicliving%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of JacquelynSproul> > > > Yes, it is Prometrium and an E patch. Would you suggest then totake the P> > pill that has been prescribed and continue with the E cream? Orsimply 86> > the creams altogether and use the pill and the patch? My healthand feeling> > good is worth much more than the money spent on the WP.> > > > Thanks Val for your thoughts and advice.> > > >> > I don't recommend any P cream if you are using exogenous E. Too much> >> chance > >> > it will not protect your endometrium.> >> > > >> > I imagine your gyn phoned in Prometrium. That is bioidenticaloral P. The> >> > usual dose is 100 mg/day, every day (no period), or 200 mg for10 - 12> >> > days/month (then you get a period).> >> > > > > > > >> Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2008 Report Share Posted July 14, 2008 If you have no uterus, why take P? If you needed to add it later because you felt you needed it, you could. Gael Ladies: Thank you for the feedback. My eyes are going buggy from all of thereading I have done lately trying to get adequate information neededto make some healthy choices. I truly appreciate what you have tosay. I believe that experience is the best guide. Since I cannot have periods I suppose taking the 100 mgs for half thetime would work for me as well. I like that non-compliantstance--which is why I started out with the WP to begin with. Thebasic premise behind WP appears logical however, after reading theside effects of toxic doses of P I am seeking yet another alternativeroute. One month on the protocol was enough to hear that my body wasNOT happy.j>> The amount of P needed may be very individual. I take two pumps ofEstrogel> each day. Six days of 100 mg Prometrium is more than enough to causecycling> for me. I still get some side effects, (and five high flow days withcramps)> PMS like bloating and am going to try even shorter dose. I use the> Prometrium vaginally because I don¹t tolerate it well orally.> > There seems to be a consensus here that vaginal application has stronger> effects than Prometrium taken orally, but my GYN doesn¹t seem awareof that> and wants me to use continuously. So I am now a noncompliant patientwith> 10Xs more Prometrium sitting around than I can use.> > In hindsight, my unpleasant perimenopausal symptoms were all thoseof too> much P relative to E, heavy bleeding, bloating, slow digestion, lethargy> etc. etc.> > Karima> > > > > > > > > > > According to Dr. Gillespie (www.hormonediva.com) estradiol is noteasily> > transported through a cream base. Indeed, I have posted researchhere that> > shows that estradiol and estriol creams are both good facialtreatments> > because they penetrate only the very upper depths of the dermis,but are not> > reflected in blood tests nor endometrium growth.> > > > Wiley E is in a cream base of some sort. I know some women heregot high> > estradiol levels with it but it seems I remember some not able toget their> > estradiol up very high. I cannot tell you what to do.> > > > If you are willing to have a period, you can take 200 mg of thePrometrium> > for 10 - 12 days/month instead of taking it every day. Over thecourse of a> > month, you would take in less P if you cycle with it.> > > > I am totally off all hormones until I have my primary aldosteronism> > addressed. When I was taking hormones, I used 1.5 mg of transdermal> > estradiol gel (Estrogel) and took 200 mg of Prometrium on thefirst nine> > days of each calendar month. That regimen was good for me.> > > > Val> > > > -----Original Message----- From: rhythmicliving > > <mailto:rhythmicliving%40yahoogroups.com>> > [mailto:rhythmicliving > > <mailto:rhythmicliving%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of JacquelynSproul> > > > Yes, it is Prometrium and an E patch. Would you suggest then totake the P> > pill that has been prescribed and continue with the E cream? Orsimply 86> > the creams altogether and use the pill and the patch? My healthand feeling> > good is worth much more than the money spent on the WP.> > > > Thanks Val for your thoughts and advice.> > > >> > I don't recommend any P cream if you are using exogenous E. Too much> >> chance > >> > it will not protect your endometrium.> >> > > >> > I imagine your gyn phoned in Prometrium. That is bioidenticaloral P. The> >> > usual dose is 100 mg/day, every day (no period), or 200 mg for10 - 12> >> > days/month (then you get a period).> >> > > > > > > >> Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2008 Report Share Posted July 14, 2008 I don't recommend any P cream if you are using exogenous E. Too much chance it will not protect your endometrium. I imagine your gyn phoned in Prometrium. That is bioidentical oral P. The usual dose is 100 mg/day, every day (no period), or 200 mg for 10 - 12 days/month (then you get a period). Val -----Original Message----- From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ] On Behalf Of Jacquelyn Sproul So...with all of that being said, would anyone on the list suggest it to be okay to continue with 2-3 lines of E daily and then on the 14th day introduce 2-3 lines of P until the 25th day? After the readings I have done I see that I need some P--the question is how much. As mentioned above the GYN suggested a " daily " pill. Egads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2008 Report Share Posted July 14, 2008 Yes, it is Prometrium and an E patch. Would you suggest then to take the P pill that has been prescribed and continue with the E cream? Or simply 86 the creams altogether and use the pill and the patch? My health and feeling good is worth much more than the money spent on the WP. Thanks Val for your thoughts and advice. j > I don't recommend any P cream if you are using exogenous E. Too much chance > it will not protect your endometrium. > > I imagine your gyn phoned in Prometrium. That is bioidentical oral P. The > usual dose is 100 mg/day, every day (no period), or 200 mg for 10 - 12 > days/month (then you get a period). > > Val > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ] > On Behalf Of Jacquelyn Sproul > > So...with all of that being said, would anyone on the list suggest it > to be okay to continue with 2-3 lines of E daily and then on the 14th > day introduce 2-3 lines of P until the 25th day? After the readings I > have done I see that I need some P--the question is how much. As > mentioned above the GYN suggested a " daily " pill. Egads. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2008 Report Share Posted July 14, 2008 Yes, it is Prometrium and an E patch. Would you suggest then to take the P pill that has been prescribed and continue with the E cream? Or simply 86 the creams altogether and use the pill and the patch? My health and feeling good is worth much more than the money spent on the WP. Thanks Val for your thoughts and advice. j > I don't recommend any P cream if you are using exogenous E. Too much chance > it will not protect your endometrium. > > I imagine your gyn phoned in Prometrium. That is bioidentical oral P. The > usual dose is 100 mg/day, every day (no period), or 200 mg for 10 - 12 > days/month (then you get a period). > > Val > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ] > On Behalf Of Jacquelyn Sproul > > So...with all of that being said, would anyone on the list suggest it > to be okay to continue with 2-3 lines of E daily and then on the 14th > day introduce 2-3 lines of P until the 25th day? After the readings I > have done I see that I need some P--the question is how much. As > mentioned above the GYN suggested a " daily " pill. Egads. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2008 Report Share Posted July 14, 2008 According to Dr. Gillespie (www.hormonediva.com) estradiol is not easily transported through a cream base. Indeed, I have posted research here that shows that estradiol and estriol creams are both good facial treatments because they penetrate only the very upper depths of the dermis, but are not reflected in blood tests nor endometrium growth. Wiley E is in a cream base of some sort. I know some women here got high estradiol levels with it but it seems I remember some not able to get their estradiol up very high. I cannot tell you what to do. If you are willing to have a period, you can take 200 mg of the Prometrium for 10 - 12 days/month instead of taking it every day. Over the course of a month, you would take in less P if you cycle with it. I am totally off all hormones until I have my primary aldosteronism addressed. When I was taking hormones, I used 1.5 mg of transdermal estradiol gel (Estrogel) and took 200 mg of Prometrium on the first nine days of each calendar month. That regimen was good for me. Val -----Original Message----- From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ] On Behalf Of Jacquelyn Sproul Yes, it is Prometrium and an E patch. Would you suggest then to take the P pill that has been prescribed and continue with the E cream? Or simply 86 the creams altogether and use the pill and the patch? My health and feeling good is worth much more than the money spent on the WP. Thanks Val for your thoughts and advice. > I don't recommend any P cream if you are using exogenous E. Too much chance > it will not protect your endometrium. > > I imagine your gyn phoned in Prometrium. That is bioidentical oral P. The > usual dose is 100 mg/day, every day (no period), or 200 mg for 10 - 12 > days/month (then you get a period). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2008 Report Share Posted July 14, 2008 The amount of P needed may be very individual. I take two pumps of Estrogel each day. Six days of 100 mg Prometrium is more than enough to cause cycling for me. I still get some side effects, (and five high flow days with cramps) PMS like bloating and am going to try even shorter dose. I use the Prometrium vaginally because I don’t tolerate it well orally. There seems to be a consensus here that vaginal application has stronger effects than Prometrium taken orally, but my GYN doesn’t seem aware of that and wants me to use continuously. So I am now a noncompliant patient with 10Xs more Prometrium sitting around than I can use. In hindsight, my unpleasant perimenopausal symptoms were all those of too much P relative to E, heavy bleeding, bloating, slow digestion, lethargy etc. etc. Karima According to Dr. Gillespie (www.hormonediva.com) estradiol is not easily transported through a cream base. Indeed, I have posted research here that shows that estradiol and estriol creams are both good facial treatments because they penetrate only the very upper depths of the dermis, but are not reflected in blood tests nor endometrium growth. Wiley E is in a cream base of some sort. I know some women here got high estradiol levels with it but it seems I remember some not able to get their estradiol up very high. I cannot tell you what to do. If you are willing to have a period, you can take 200 mg of the Prometrium for 10 - 12 days/month instead of taking it every day. Over the course of a month, you would take in less P if you cycle with it. I am totally off all hormones until I have my primary aldosteronism addressed. When I was taking hormones, I used 1.5 mg of transdermal estradiol gel (Estrogel) and took 200 mg of Prometrium on the first nine days of each calendar month. That regimen was good for me. Val -----Original Message----- From: rhythmicliving <mailto:rhythmicliving%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:rhythmicliving <mailto:rhythmicliving%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Jacquelyn Sproul Yes, it is Prometrium and an E patch. Would you suggest then to take the P pill that has been prescribed and continue with the E cream? Or simply 86 the creams altogether and use the pill and the patch? My health and feeling good is worth much more than the money spent on the WP. Thanks Val for your thoughts and advice. > I don't recommend any P cream if you are using exogenous E. Too much chance > it will not protect your endometrium. > > I imagine your gyn phoned in Prometrium. That is bioidentical oral P. The > usual dose is 100 mg/day, every day (no period), or 200 mg for 10 - 12 > days/month (then you get a period). > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2008 Report Share Posted July 14, 2008 Ladies: Thank you for the feedback. My eyes are going buggy from all of the reading I have done lately trying to get adequate information needed to make some healthy choices. I truly appreciate what you have to say. I believe that experience is the best guide. Since I cannot have periods I suppose taking the 100 mgs for half the time would work for me as well. I like that non-compliant stance--which is why I started out with the WP to begin with. The basic premise behind WP appears logical however, after reading the side effects of toxic doses of P I am seeking yet another alternative route. One month on the protocol was enough to hear that my body was NOT happy. j > > The amount of P needed may be very individual. I take two pumps of Estrogel > each day. Six days of 100 mg Prometrium is more than enough to cause cycling > for me. I still get some side effects, (and five high flow days with cramps) > PMS like bloating and am going to try even shorter dose. I use the > Prometrium vaginally because I don¹t tolerate it well orally. > > There seems to be a consensus here that vaginal application has stronger > effects than Prometrium taken orally, but my GYN doesn¹t seem aware of that > and wants me to use continuously. So I am now a noncompliant patient with > 10Xs more Prometrium sitting around than I can use. > > In hindsight, my unpleasant perimenopausal symptoms were all those of too > much P relative to E, heavy bleeding, bloating, slow digestion, lethargy > etc. etc. > > Karima > > > > > > > > > > > According to Dr. Gillespie (www.hormonediva.com) estradiol is not easily > > transported through a cream base. Indeed, I have posted research here that > > shows that estradiol and estriol creams are both good facial treatments > > because they penetrate only the very upper depths of the dermis, but are not > > reflected in blood tests nor endometrium growth. > > > > Wiley E is in a cream base of some sort. I know some women here got high > > estradiol levels with it but it seems I remember some not able to get their > > estradiol up very high. I cannot tell you what to do. > > > > If you are willing to have a period, you can take 200 mg of the Prometrium > > for 10 - 12 days/month instead of taking it every day. Over the course of a > > month, you would take in less P if you cycle with it. > > > > I am totally off all hormones until I have my primary aldosteronism > > addressed. When I was taking hormones, I used 1.5 mg of transdermal > > estradiol gel (Estrogel) and took 200 mg of Prometrium on the first nine > > days of each calendar month. That regimen was good for me. > > > > Val > > > > -----Original Message----- From: rhythmicliving > > <mailto:rhythmicliving%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:rhythmicliving > > <mailto:rhythmicliving%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Jacquelyn Sproul > > > > Yes, it is Prometrium and an E patch. Would you suggest then to take the P > > pill that has been prescribed and continue with the E cream? Or simply 86 > > the creams altogether and use the pill and the patch? My health and feeling > > good is worth much more than the money spent on the WP. > > > > Thanks Val for your thoughts and advice. > > > >> > I don't recommend any P cream if you are using exogenous E. Too much > >> chance > >> > it will not protect your endometrium. > >> > > >> > I imagine your gyn phoned in Prometrium. That is bioidentical oral P. The > >> > usual dose is 100 mg/day, every day (no period), or 200 mg for 10 - 12 > >> > days/month (then you get a period). > >> > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2008 Report Share Posted July 14, 2008 Ladies: Thank you for the feedback. My eyes are going buggy from all of the reading I have done lately trying to get adequate information needed to make some healthy choices. I truly appreciate what you have to say. I believe that experience is the best guide. Since I cannot have periods I suppose taking the 100 mgs for half the time would work for me as well. I like that non-compliant stance--which is why I started out with the WP to begin with. The basic premise behind WP appears logical however, after reading the side effects of toxic doses of P I am seeking yet another alternative route. One month on the protocol was enough to hear that my body was NOT happy. j > > The amount of P needed may be very individual. I take two pumps of Estrogel > each day. Six days of 100 mg Prometrium is more than enough to cause cycling > for me. I still get some side effects, (and five high flow days with cramps) > PMS like bloating and am going to try even shorter dose. I use the > Prometrium vaginally because I don¹t tolerate it well orally. > > There seems to be a consensus here that vaginal application has stronger > effects than Prometrium taken orally, but my GYN doesn¹t seem aware of that > and wants me to use continuously. So I am now a noncompliant patient with > 10Xs more Prometrium sitting around than I can use. > > In hindsight, my unpleasant perimenopausal symptoms were all those of too > much P relative to E, heavy bleeding, bloating, slow digestion, lethargy > etc. etc. > > Karima > > > > > > > > > > > According to Dr. Gillespie (www.hormonediva.com) estradiol is not easily > > transported through a cream base. Indeed, I have posted research here that > > shows that estradiol and estriol creams are both good facial treatments > > because they penetrate only the very upper depths of the dermis, but are not > > reflected in blood tests nor endometrium growth. > > > > Wiley E is in a cream base of some sort. I know some women here got high > > estradiol levels with it but it seems I remember some not able to get their > > estradiol up very high. I cannot tell you what to do. > > > > If you are willing to have a period, you can take 200 mg of the Prometrium > > for 10 - 12 days/month instead of taking it every day. Over the course of a > > month, you would take in less P if you cycle with it. > > > > I am totally off all hormones until I have my primary aldosteronism > > addressed. When I was taking hormones, I used 1.5 mg of transdermal > > estradiol gel (Estrogel) and took 200 mg of Prometrium on the first nine > > days of each calendar month. That regimen was good for me. > > > > Val > > > > -----Original Message----- From: rhythmicliving > > <mailto:rhythmicliving%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:rhythmicliving > > <mailto:rhythmicliving%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Jacquelyn Sproul > > > > Yes, it is Prometrium and an E patch. Would you suggest then to take the P > > pill that has been prescribed and continue with the E cream? Or simply 86 > > the creams altogether and use the pill and the patch? My health and feeling > > good is worth much more than the money spent on the WP. > > > > Thanks Val for your thoughts and advice. > > > >> > I don't recommend any P cream if you are using exogenous E. Too much > >> chance > >> > it will not protect your endometrium. > >> > > >> > I imagine your gyn phoned in Prometrium. That is bioidentical oral P. The > >> > usual dose is 100 mg/day, every day (no period), or 200 mg for 10 - 12 > >> > days/month (then you get a period). > >> > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2008 Report Share Posted July 14, 2008 Find what makes your body happy and be sure your endometrium is protected. After six months to a year on E and P, you should consider a vaginal ultrasound. Val -----Original Message----- From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ] On Behalf Of Jacquelyn Sproul One month on the protocol was enough to hear that my body was NOT happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2008 Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 I do have a uterus. I had an endometrial ablation where they go in and cauterize the uterus to destroy the uterine lining to help eliminate periods (they were awful and long). Which is why the WP is difficult for me. The extra amounts of E give a build up of blood flow in the uterus but elimination doesn't happen because the lining isn't able to slough. I will go in for an ultra sound after a six months--thanks for the idea. Any feedback on the Vivelle Dot? > If you have no uterus, why take P? If you needed to add it later because > you felt you needed it, you could. > > Gael > > > > > In a message dated 7/14/2008 10:53:18 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > jacquelynlaurie@... writes: > > > > > Ladies: > > Thank you for the feedback. My eyes are going buggy from all of the > reading I have done lately trying to get adequate information needed > to make some healthy choices. I truly appreciate what you have to > say. I believe that experience is the best guide. > > Since I cannot have periods I suppose taking the 100 mgs for half the > time would work for me as well. I like that non-compliant > stance--which is why I started out with the WP to begin with. The > basic premise behind WP appears logical however, after reading the > side effects of toxic doses of P I am seeking yet another alternative > route. One month on the protocol was enough to hear that my body was > NOT happy. > > j > > > > > The amount of P needed may be very individual. I take two pumps of > Estrogel > > each day. Six days of 100 mg Prometrium is more than enough to cause > cycling > > for me. I still get some side effects, (and five high flow days with > cramps) > > PMS like bloating and am going to try even shorter dose. I use the > > Prometrium vaginally because I don¹t tolerate it well orally. > > > > There seems to be a consensus here that vaginal application has stronger > > effects than Prometrium taken orally, but my GYN doesn¹t seem aware > of that > > and wants me to use continuously. So I am now a noncompliant patient > with > > 10Xs more Prometrium sitting around than I can use. > > > > In hindsight, my unpleasant perimenopausal symptoms were all those > of too > > much P relative to E, heavy bleeding, bloating, slow digestion, lethargy > > etc. etc. > > > > Karima > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > According to Dr. Gillespie (www.hormonediva. According to Dr. Gillesp > easily > > > transported through a cream base. Indeed, I have posted research > here that > > > shows that estradiol and estriol creams are both good facial > treatments > > > because they penetrate only the very upper depths of the dermis, > but are not > > > reflected in blood tests nor endometrium growth. > > > > > > Wiley E is in a cream base of some sort. I know some women here > got high > > > estradiol levels with it but it seems I remember some not able to > get their > > > estradiol up very high. I cannot tell you what to do. > > > > > > If you are willing to have a period, you can take 200 mg of the > Prometrium > > > for 10 - 12 days/month instead of taking it every day. Over the > course of a > > > month, you would take in less P if you cycle with it. > > > > > > I am totally off all hormones until I have my primary aldosteronism > > > addressed. When I was taking hormones, I used 1.5 mg of transdermal > > > estradiol gel (Estrogel) and took 200 mg of Prometrium on the > first nine > > > days of each calendar month. That regimen was good for me. > > > > > > Val > > > > > > -----Original Message----- From: _rhythmicliving@rhythmiclivirhy_ > (mailto:rhythmicliving ) > > > <mailto:rhythmiclivmailto:rhythmiclmailt> > > > [mailto:_rhythmicliving@rhythmiclivirhy_ > (mailto:rhythmicliving ) > > > <mailto:rhythmiclivmailto:rhythmiclmailt> ] On Behalf Of Jacquelyn > Sproul > > > > > > Yes, it is Prometrium and an E patch. Would you suggest then to > take the P > > > pill that has been prescribed and continue with the E cream? Or > simply 86 > > > the creams altogether and use the pill and the patch? My health > and feeling > > > good is worth much more than the money spent on the WP. > > > > > > Thanks Val for your thoughts and advice. > > > > > >> > I don't recommend any P cream if you are using exogenous E. > Too much > > >> chance > > >> > it will not protect your endometrium. > > >> > > > >> > I imagine your gyn phoned in Prometrium. That is bioidentical > oral P. The > > >> > usual dose is 100 mg/day, every day (no period), or 200 mg for > 10 - 12 > > >> > days/month (then you get a period). > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music > scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! > (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2008 Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 I do have a uterus. I had an endometrial ablation where they go in and cauterize the uterus to destroy the uterine lining to help eliminate periods (they were awful and long). Which is why the WP is difficult for me. The extra amounts of E give a build up of blood flow in the uterus but elimination doesn't happen because the lining isn't able to slough. I will go in for an ultra sound after a six months--thanks for the idea. Any feedback on the Vivelle Dot? > If you have no uterus, why take P? If you needed to add it later because > you felt you needed it, you could. > > Gael > > > > > In a message dated 7/14/2008 10:53:18 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > jacquelynlaurie@... writes: > > > > > Ladies: > > Thank you for the feedback. My eyes are going buggy from all of the > reading I have done lately trying to get adequate information needed > to make some healthy choices. I truly appreciate what you have to > say. I believe that experience is the best guide. > > Since I cannot have periods I suppose taking the 100 mgs for half the > time would work for me as well. I like that non-compliant > stance--which is why I started out with the WP to begin with. The > basic premise behind WP appears logical however, after reading the > side effects of toxic doses of P I am seeking yet another alternative > route. One month on the protocol was enough to hear that my body was > NOT happy. > > j > > > > > The amount of P needed may be very individual. I take two pumps of > Estrogel > > each day. Six days of 100 mg Prometrium is more than enough to cause > cycling > > for me. I still get some side effects, (and five high flow days with > cramps) > > PMS like bloating and am going to try even shorter dose. I use the > > Prometrium vaginally because I don¹t tolerate it well orally. > > > > There seems to be a consensus here that vaginal application has stronger > > effects than Prometrium taken orally, but my GYN doesn¹t seem aware > of that > > and wants me to use continuously. So I am now a noncompliant patient > with > > 10Xs more Prometrium sitting around than I can use. > > > > In hindsight, my unpleasant perimenopausal symptoms were all those > of too > > much P relative to E, heavy bleeding, bloating, slow digestion, lethargy > > etc. etc. > > > > Karima > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > According to Dr. Gillespie (www.hormonediva. According to Dr. Gillesp > easily > > > transported through a cream base. Indeed, I have posted research > here that > > > shows that estradiol and estriol creams are both good facial > treatments > > > because they penetrate only the very upper depths of the dermis, > but are not > > > reflected in blood tests nor endometrium growth. > > > > > > Wiley E is in a cream base of some sort. I know some women here > got high > > > estradiol levels with it but it seems I remember some not able to > get their > > > estradiol up very high. I cannot tell you what to do. > > > > > > If you are willing to have a period, you can take 200 mg of the > Prometrium > > > for 10 - 12 days/month instead of taking it every day. Over the > course of a > > > month, you would take in less P if you cycle with it. > > > > > > I am totally off all hormones until I have my primary aldosteronism > > > addressed. When I was taking hormones, I used 1.5 mg of transdermal > > > estradiol gel (Estrogel) and took 200 mg of Prometrium on the > first nine > > > days of each calendar month. That regimen was good for me. > > > > > > Val > > > > > > -----Original Message----- From: _rhythmicliving@rhythmiclivirhy_ > (mailto:rhythmicliving ) > > > <mailto:rhythmiclivmailto:rhythmiclmailt> > > > [mailto:_rhythmicliving@rhythmiclivirhy_ > (mailto:rhythmicliving ) > > > <mailto:rhythmiclivmailto:rhythmiclmailt> ] On Behalf Of Jacquelyn > Sproul > > > > > > Yes, it is Prometrium and an E patch. Would you suggest then to > take the P > > > pill that has been prescribed and continue with the E cream? Or > simply 86 > > > the creams altogether and use the pill and the patch? My health > and feeling > > > good is worth much more than the money spent on the WP. > > > > > > Thanks Val for your thoughts and advice. > > > > > >> > I don't recommend any P cream if you are using exogenous E. > Too much > > >> chance > > >> > it will not protect your endometrium. > > >> > > > >> > I imagine your gyn phoned in Prometrium. That is bioidentical > oral P. The > > >> > usual dose is 100 mg/day, every day (no period), or 200 mg for > 10 - 12 > > >> > days/month (then you get a period). > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music > scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! > (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2008 Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 Hi Jacquelyn, You might want to run this by Dr. Uzzi Reiss in Los Angeles. He is the doctor I use in the U.S. for bio-identicals and one of the longest running doctors using them and an expert – treating thousands of women. He recommended I get an ablation this past year (I have gotten polyps twice), but also to continue using E in a gel form. And lots of women get ablations when their bodies are still producing a lot of E with no problems. He didn’t seem to think using extra E would create a problem with the build up of the lining in the uterus after the procedure. If there is no lining, where would it build up? I didn’t have it done though, so I can’t say anything from personal experience. Nora Reply-To: <rhythmicliving > Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 14:15:35 -0000 To: <rhythmicliving > Subject: Re: Wiley Protocol Meeting I do have a uterus. I had an endometrial ablation where they go in and cauterize the uterus to destroy the uterine lining to help eliminate periods (they were awful and long). Which is why the WP is difficult for me. The extra amounts of E give a build up of blood flow in the uterus but elimination doesn't happen because the lining isn't able to slough. I will go in for an ultra sound after a six months--thanks for the idea. Any feedback on the Vivelle Dot? > If you have no uterus, why take P? If you needed to add it later because > you felt you needed it, you could. > > Gael > > > > > In a message dated 7/14/2008 10:53:18 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > jacquelynlaurie@... writes: > > > > > Ladies: > > Thank you for the feedback. My eyes are going buggy from all of the > reading I have done lately trying to get adequate information needed > to make some healthy choices. I truly appreciate what you have to > say. I believe that experience is the best guide. > > Since I cannot have periods I suppose taking the 100 mgs for half the > time would work for me as well. I like that non-compliant > stance--which is why I started out with the WP to begin with. The > basic premise behind WP appears logical however, after reading the > side effects of toxic doses of P I am seeking yet another alternative > route. One month on the protocol was enough to hear that my body was > NOT happy. > > j > > > > > The amount of P needed may be very individual. I take two pumps of > Estrogel > > each day. Six days of 100 mg Prometrium is more than enough to cause > cycling > > for me. I still get some side effects, (and five high flow days with > cramps) > > PMS like bloating and am going to try even shorter dose. I use the > > Prometrium vaginally because I don’t tolerate it well orally. > > > > There seems to be a consensus here that vaginal application has stronger > > effects than Prometrium taken orally, but my GYN doesn’t seem aware > of that > > and wants me to use continuously. So I am now a noncompliant patient > with > > 10Xs more Prometrium sitting around than I can use. > > > > In hindsight, my unpleasant perimenopausal symptoms were all those > of too > > much P relative to E, heavy bleeding, bloating, slow digestion, lethargy > > etc. etc. > > > > Karima > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > According to Dr. Gillespie (www.hormonediva. According to Dr. Gillesp > easily > > > transported through a cream base. Indeed, I have posted research > here that > > > shows that estradiol and estriol creams are both good facial > treatments > > > because they penetrate only the very upper depths of the dermis, > but are not > > > reflected in blood tests nor endometrium growth. > > > > > > Wiley E is in a cream base of some sort. I know some women here > got high > > > estradiol levels with it but it seems I remember some not able to > get their > > > estradiol up very high. I cannot tell you what to do. > > > > > > If you are willing to have a period, you can take 200 mg of the > Prometrium > > > for 10 - 12 days/month instead of taking it every day. Over the > course of a > > > month, you would take in less P if you cycle with it. > > > > > > I am totally off all hormones until I have my primary aldosteronism > > > addressed. When I was taking hormones, I used 1.5 mg of transdermal > > > estradiol gel (Estrogel) and took 200 mg of Prometrium on the > first nine > > > days of each calendar month. That regimen was good for me. > > > > > > Val > > > > > > -----Original Message----- From: _rhythmicliving@rhythmiclivirhy_ > (mailto:rhythmicliving <mailto:rhythmicliving%40yahoogroups.com> ) > > > <mailto:rhythmiclivmailto:rhythmiclmailt> > > > [mailto:_rhythmicliving@rhythmiclivirhy_ > (mailto:rhythmicliving <mailto:rhythmicliving%40yahoogroups.com> ) > > > <mailto:rhythmiclivmailto:rhythmiclmailt> ] On Behalf Of Jacquelyn > Sproul > > > > > > Yes, it is Prometrium and an E patch. Would you suggest then to > take the P > > > pill that has been prescribed and continue with the E cream? Or > simply 86 > > > the creams altogether and use the pill and the patch? 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Guest guest Posted July 15, 2008 Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 I do have a uterus. I had an endometrial ablation where they go inand cauterize the uterus to destroy the uterine lining to helpeliminate periods (they were awful and long). Which is why the WP isdifficult for me. The extra amounts of E give a build up of bloodflow in the uterus but elimination doesn't happen because the liningisn't able to slough. I will go in for an ultra sound after a sixmonths--thanks for the idea. Any feedback on the Vivelle Dot? Sorry, I misunderstood and thought you had a hysterectomy. Have you thought of not doing the WP, but instead doing regular doses, so that you don't have so much buildup? I use Vivelle dot and love it. It is so convenient and easy, and my absorption is better with the dot than it was with gel. I use the .75, even though the 1.0 made me feel somewhat better, it also made me a bit anxious and made my skin break out due to the estrogen heading down an androgen pathway, per Dr. Gillespie's view. GaelGet the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2008 Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 I do have a uterus. I had an endometrial ablation where they go inand cauterize the uterus to destroy the uterine lining to helpeliminate periods (they were awful and long). Which is why the WP isdifficult for me. The extra amounts of E give a build up of bloodflow in the uterus but elimination doesn't happen because the liningisn't able to slough. I will go in for an ultra sound after a sixmonths--thanks for the idea. Any feedback on the Vivelle Dot? Sorry, I misunderstood and thought you had a hysterectomy. Have you thought of not doing the WP, but instead doing regular doses, so that you don't have so much buildup? I use Vivelle dot and love it. It is so convenient and easy, and my absorption is better with the dot than it was with gel. I use the .75, even though the 1.0 made me feel somewhat better, it also made me a bit anxious and made my skin break out due to the estrogen heading down an androgen pathway, per Dr. Gillespie's view. GaelGet the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2008 Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 G:Thank you. I just filled the prescription for the Vivelle dot .0375and will begin it tomorrow. Do you use any P? If you do, how muchand how often? *************** Is .375 the lowest dose? I hope that works. I wish the lower doses worked for me, but they do not. I was told that the .1 is equivalent to 1.25 of the gel, and I could never use that much gel without getting almost instant anxiety and terribly oily hair and skin, so I am on a compromise with the .75 and occasional very small amounts of gel. I don't use P now, as I had a hysterectomy (uterus only) in December, for thickened lining, polyps, and adenomyosis. Good luck with your regimen! GaelGet the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2008 Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 > Sorry, I misunderstood and thought you had a hysterectomy. Have you thought > of not doing the WP, but instead doing regular doses, so that you don't have > so much buildup? > > I use Vivelle dot and love it. It is so convenient and easy, and my > absorption is better with the dot than it was with gel. I use the ..75, even though > the 1.0 made me feel somewhat better, it also made me a bit anxious and made > my skin break out due to the estrogen heading down an androgen pathway, per > Dr. Gillespie's view. > > Gael G: Thank you. I just filled the prescription for the Vivelle dot .0375 and will begin it tomorrow. Do you use any P? If you do, how much and how often? J > > > > **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music > scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! > (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2008 Report Share Posted July 15, 2008 > Sorry, I misunderstood and thought you had a hysterectomy. Have you thought > of not doing the WP, but instead doing regular doses, so that you don't have > so much buildup? > > I use Vivelle dot and love it. It is so convenient and easy, and my > absorption is better with the dot than it was with gel. I use the ..75, even though > the 1.0 made me feel somewhat better, it also made me a bit anxious and made > my skin break out due to the estrogen heading down an androgen pathway, per > Dr. Gillespie's view. > > Gael G: Thank you. I just filled the prescription for the Vivelle dot .0375 and will begin it tomorrow. Do you use any P? If you do, how much and how often? J > > > > **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music > scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! > (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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