Re: Walking the Ponds

[Guest guest]

With respect to cold snaps and warm days, New Orleans weather is like

that and natives think nothing of the fluctuations.

Woke up this morning (Monday) the temperature was about 30 degrees F.

Tomorrow (Tuesday) the high is expected to be in the 70's and near

the weekend the lows are expected to be again in the low 30's.

>

> we had a cold snap and then a couple of warm days and a lot of

> things started budding out and now it's really really cold. i hope

> everything fares well. the camillas camillias? were getting ready

> to bloom and i saw some other things as well.

>

> do you guys have any suggestions of what to use passion fruit for?

> the stuff is growing like mad around here, i'm wondering if it will

> become too much of a good thing.

>

> laurie

[Guest guest]

, your area was talked about on public radio today. They said that all the dying trees are giving off CO2 and there are so many of them, all the trees in the US are barely enough to absorb it all (don't know how close the trees actually have to be to absorb it but they were saying all the trees in US so people could understand how many trees are needed to do the job). They also said it was the mushrooms living off the trees that give off the CO2 but later talked about all the dying trees doing it. I was only passively listening but it was interesting. Becca did a wonderful thing when she saved those plants. All the living ones are so needed to counteract those that didn't make it.

Elaine

Glad you got a little snow for your birthday, anyway, Janet.

In the 60's when I was in college, I was a counsellor and riding instructor at a summer camp near Asheville. The counsellors lived on porches of the camper cabins, and I had an army bunk which was lined between the mattress and springs with a thick layer of newspaper to keep the cold from seeping upwards, and two quilts and a comforter on top. Many nights all this was necessary, and this was from mid June to mid August. Now, you seldom get nights like that in the middle of the summer. All my relatives confirm that it is consistantly warmer and has been for a long time.

Down here on the gulf coast, in the 50's and 60's, you would see snow about every five years. I have been back on the coast 24 years now, and have seen only one snow that stuck to the ground even for a few hours, and this winter is the first in over ten years that we have had a freeze enough to kill the tropical type plants, and even so, the roses have not yet gone dormant.

W

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[Guest guest]

I missed it on the radio, but caught it on the NPR website, Elaine. I tend to doubt the extent of the damage by his assessment. The flooding damage, both from storm surge and levy failure was unprecedented in Katrina, but wind damage from Camille in l969 was far greater. The tree damage was wind caused and is extensive and, I may have mentioned, trees continue to die from damage that was not apparent immediately, but we saw worse with Camille, and I do not doubt that , Hugo and a number of others caused at least as much tree damage. Also, lots of those trees are not just rotting, but have been harvested, or the area cleared burned and replanted. My private thought is that the man got a grant to do research and the whole thing got a bit more attention than it deserved.

W

Re: Walking the Ponds

, your area was talked about on public radio today. They said that all the dying trees are giving off CO2 and there are so many of them, all the trees in the US are barely enough to absorb it all (don't know how close the trees actually have to be to absorb it but they were saying all the trees in US so people could understand how many trees are needed to do the job). They also said it was the mushrooms living off the trees that give off the CO2 but later talked about all the dying trees doing it. I was only passively listening but it was interesting. Becca did a wonderful thing when she saved those plants. All the living ones are so needed to counteract those that didn't make it.

Elaine

On 1/20/08, labtrek1941 <labtrek1941bellsouth (DOT) net> wrote:

Glad you got a little snow for your birthday, anyway, Janet.

In the 60's when I was in college, I was a counsellor and riding instructor at a summer camp near Asheville. The counsellors lived on porches of the camper cabins, and I had an army bunk which was lined between the mattress and springs with a thick layer of newspaper to keep the cold from seeping upwards, and two quilts and a comforter on top. Many nights all this was necessary, and this was from mid June to mid August. Now, you seldom get nights like that in the middle of the summer. All my relatives confirm that it is consistantly warmer and has been for a long time.

Down here on the gulf coast, in the 50's and 60's, you would see snow about every five years. I have been back on the coast 24 years now, and have seen only one snow that stuck to the ground even for a few hours, and this winter is the first in over ten years that we have had a freeze enough to kill the tropical type plants, and even so, the roses have not yet gone dormant.

W

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[Guest guest]

That's interesting, . I hadn't thought of it before but I imagine there are quite a few people working on grant money haphazardly, as he may also be doing. I had only half-listened because my mind was on other things but the topic caused me to think of you talking about the trees that have latent problems from the storm.

Elaine

I missed it on the radio, but caught it on the NPR website, Elaine. I tend to doubt the extent of the damage by his assessment. The flooding damage, both from storm surge and levy failure was unprecedented in Katrina, but wind damage from Camille in l969 was far greater. The tree damage was wind caused and is extensive and, I may have mentioned, trees continue to die from damage that was not apparent immediately, but we saw worse with Camille, and I do not doubt that , Hugo and a number of others caused at least as much tree damage. Also, lots of those trees are not just rotting, but have been harvested, or the area cleared burned and replanted. My private thought is that the man got a grant to do research and the whole thing got a bit more attention than it deserved.

W

Re: Walking the Ponds

, your area was talked about on public radio today. They said that all the dying trees are giving off CO2 and there are so many of them, all the trees in the US are barely enough to absorb it all (don't know how close the trees actually have to be to absorb it but they were saying all the trees in US so people could understand how many trees are needed to do the job). They also said it was the mushrooms living off the trees that give off the CO2 but later talked about all the dying trees doing it. I was only passively listening but it was interesting. Becca did a wonderful thing when she saved those plants. All the living ones are so needed to counteract those that didn't make it.

Elaine

On 1/20/08, labtrek1941 <labtrek1941@...

> wrote:

Glad you got a little snow for your birthday, anyway, Janet.

In the 60's when I was in college, I was a counsellor and riding instructor at a summer camp near Asheville. The counsellors lived on porches of the camper cabins, and I had an army bunk which was lined between the mattress and springs with a thick layer of newspaper to keep the cold from seeping upwards, and two quilts and a comforter on top. Many nights all this was necessary, and this was from mid June to mid August. Now, you seldom get nights like that in the middle of the summer. All my relatives confirm that it is consistantly warmer and has been for a long time.

Down here on the gulf coast, in the 50's and 60's, you would see snow about every five years. I have been back on the coast 24 years now, and have seen only one snow that stuck to the ground even for a few hours, and this winter is the first in over ten years that we have had a freeze enough to kill the tropical type plants, and even so, the roses have not yet gone dormant.

W

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[Guest guest]

The remarkable thing, maybe, is that his work got national attention via NPR. And then, I could be wrong, and he be right in the seriousness of the situation, but common sense and a lot of years of observation tell me that this hurricane did not do forest damage exceeding that of some more powerful ones in the recent past. I know that Hugo did tremendous damage in the Carolinas because it did not lose power very fast. As far inland as Charlotte, NC there was massive tree damage. The trees here are what we call "storm pruned" from repeated hurricanes so that they have fewer long, major branches to lose. Probably sort of like what happens with trees in northern places with the ice storms. Anyway, I filed it under "dubious". The bad thing is, we are all left wondering what all else taxpayers' money may be being wasted on when there is so much legitimate need, here and elsewhere.

Re: Walking the Ponds

, your area was talked about on public radio today. They said that all the dying trees are giving off CO2 and there are so many of them, all the trees in the US are barely enough to absorb it all (don't know how close the trees actually have to be to absorb it but they were saying all the trees in US so people could understand how many trees are needed to do the job). They also said it was the mushrooms living off the trees that give off the CO2 but later talked about all the dying trees doing it. I was only passively listening but it was interesting. Becca did a wonderful thing when she saved those plants. All the living ones are so needed to counteract those that didn't make it.

Elaine

On 1/20/08, labtrek1941 <labtrek1941bellsouth (DOT) net > wrote:

Glad you got a little snow for your birthday, anyway, Janet.

In the 60's when I was in college, I was a counsellor and riding instructor at a summer camp near Asheville. The counsellors lived on porches of the camper cabins, and I had an army bunk which was lined between the mattress and springs with a thick layer of newspaper to keep the cold from seeping upwards, and two quilts and a comforter on top. Many nights all this was necessary, and this was from mid June to mid August. Now, you seldom get nights like that in the middle of the summer. All my relatives confirm that it is consistantly warmer and has been for a long time.

Down here on the gulf coast, in the 50's and 60's, you would see snow about every five years. I have been back on the coast 24 years now, and have seen only one snow that stuck to the ground even for a few hours, and this winter is the first in over ten years that we have had a freeze enough to kill the tropical type plants, and even so, the roses have not yet gone dormant.

W

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[Guest guest]

Rita did A LOT of tree damage all the way to Woodville, which is about 2 hours from the coast....on my land here in Warren I have tops of pine trees just snatched off...and there were lots of trees lost here. However, not as many were lost as are clear cut on a daily basis by the forest industry. Bethlabtrek1941 wrote: The remarkable thing, maybe, is that his work got national attention via NPR. And then, I could be wrong, and he be right in the seriousness of the situation, but

common sense and a lot of years of observation tell me that this hurricane did not do forest damage exceeding that of some more powerful ones in the recent past. I know that Hugo did tremendous damage in the Carolinas because it did not lose power very fast. As far inland as Charlotte, NC there was massive tree damage. The trees here are what we call "storm pruned" from repeated hurricanes so that they have fewer long, major branches to lose. Probably sort of like what happens with trees in northern places with the ice storms. Anyway, I filed it under "dubious". The bad thing is, we are all left wondering what all else taxpayers' money may be being wasted on when there is so much legitimate need, here and elsewhere. Re: Walking the Ponds , your area was talked about on public radio today. They said that all the dying trees are giving off CO2 and there are so many of them, all the trees in the US are barely enough to absorb it all (don't know how close the trees actually have to be to absorb it but they were saying all the trees in US so people could understand how many trees are needed to do the job). They also said it was the mushrooms living off the trees that give off the CO2 but later talked about all the dying trees doing it. I was only passively listening but it was interesting. Becca did a wonderful thing when she saved those plants. All the living ones are so needed to counteract those that didn't make it. Elaine On 1/20/08, labtrek1941 <labtrek1941bellsouth (DOT) net > wrote: Glad you got a little snow for your birthday, anyway, Janet. In the 60's when I was in college, I was a counsellor and riding instructor at a summer camp near Asheville. The counsellors lived on porches of the camper cabins, and I had an army bunk which was lined between the mattress and springs with a thick layer of newspaper to keep the cold from seeping upwards, and two quilts and a comforter on top. Many nights all this was necessary, and this was from mid June to mid August. Now, you seldom get nights like that in the middle of the summer. All my relatives confirm that it is consistantly warmer and has been for a long time. Down here on the gulf coast, in the 50's and 60's, you would see snow about every five years. I have been back on the coast 24 years now, and have seen only one snow that stuck to the ground even for a few hours, and this winter is the first in over ten years that we have had a freeze enough to kill the tropical type plants, and even so, the roses have not yet gone dormant. W .

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[Guest guest]

With respect to CO2 I have NOT seen any of the programs & it has been

quite a few years since my formal education which was up through 1964.

As to what I REMEMBER about production of and removal of CO2

(carbondioxide [spelling]) is as follows:

1) Live vegitation which includes live trees takes in/uses CO2 and

produces oxygen.

2) Animals takes in/uses/breathes in oxygen and produces/breathes out

CO2.

3) Fires due to burning combinds oxygen and carbon producing CO2 when

there is enough oxygen present - IF insufficient oxygen then CO or

carbonmonoxide (spelling) is produced.

With the removal of live trees for whatever reason will cause a

higher presence of CO2 due to their not being present living to

remove the CO2.

Also dead trees decaying is a haven for micro-orgasms (animals)

producing CO2 or the dead trees being a fire source also a CO2 source.

Hope this does not cause more confusion.

Gerar

Glad you got a little snow for your birthday, anyway, Janet.

> In the 60's when I was in college, I was a counsellor and riding

instructor at a summer camp near Asheville. The counsellors lived on

porches of the camper cabins, and I had an army bunk which was lined

between the mattress and springs with a thick layer of newspaper to

keep the cold from seeping upwards, and two quilts and a comforter on

top. Many nights all this was necessary, and this was from mid June

to mid August. Now, you seldom get nights like that in the middle of

the summer. All my relatives confirm that it is consistantly warmer

and has been for a long time.

> Down here on the gulf coast, in the 50's and 60's, you would see

snow about every five years. I have been back on the coast 24 years

now, and have seen only one snow that stuck to the ground even for a

few hours, and this winter is the first in over ten years that we

have had a freeze enough to kill the tropical type plants, and even

so, the roses have not yet gone dormant.

> W

>

[Guest guest]

made perfect sense to me. and now to pass on a joke about something

similar

recent postings have circulated the internet about Di-hydrogen Oxy and

how everyone needs to use big caution about this dangerous chemical,

one un-educated politician was on the to starting up a committee to

study it and was passing the information to her colleagues when

someone pointed out that it was a joke about H 2 O water.

someone else recently also had a question about what was that H2O

stuff in the water that they were talking about on a commercial, that

i thought was really funny and kinda sad at the same time.

laurie

ps. i also suspect the scientists summary is overblown.

but there is also some interesting studies about vining plants doing

very well in the carbon dioxide rich environment and are growing at an

amazing rate as the Co2 is increasing. They said that the vines don't

produce nearly as much O2 as other plants so they recommended people

make sure to get rid of invasive vines and poison ivy on their

properties and plant some navtive shrubs instead

there was also a really neat article about how it would be just as bad

to plant a whole bunch of trees in the wrong areas because the trees

draw more moisture into the soil which in turn releases more

greenhouse gases. they said we should be sure to plant trees where

the trees have grown recently and not over plant in areas that havent

had any substantial tree growth in the last couple hundred years. I

guess there were some lands in CA near some low water areas where

someone was proposing planting a huge amount of trees, which would

likely need watering to get started and the scientists were against

it. i'm a little fuzzy as to if it was just the water they were

concerned about or something else as well that increased the

greenhouse emissions. drat my fuzzy memory of specifics. maybe i can

find the article again.

laurie

> Glad you got a little snow for your birthday, anyway, Janet.

> > In the 60's when I was in college, I was a counsellor and riding

> instructor at a summer camp near Asheville. The counsellors lived on

> porches of the camper cabins, and I had an army bunk which was lined

> between the mattress and springs with a thick layer of newspaper to

> keep the cold from seeping upwards, and two quilts and a comforter on

> top. Many nights all this was necessary, and this was from mid June

> to mid August. Now, you seldom get nights like that in the middle of

> the summer. All my relatives confirm that it is consistantly warmer

> and has been for a long time.

> > Down here on the gulf coast, in the 50's and 60's, you would see

> snow about every five years. I have been back on the coast 24 years

> now, and have seen only one snow that stuck to the ground even for a

> few hours, and this winter is the first in over ten years that we

> have had a freeze enough to kill the tropical type plants, and even

> so, the roses have not yet gone dormant.

> > W

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