Guest guest Posted June 7, 2012 Report Share Posted June 7, 2012 Firstly thank you for the suggestion re Raspberry seed oil, which I hadn't heard of - do you know where I can get this? The other query is regarding Urtica rad. A client has recently had a hair analysis done, which reveals primarily that she has to combat a fungus (probably Candida albicans) and the company has suggested she takes two herbs - Tabebuia and Urtica rad. I can't find any reference to Urtica rad being used for this purpose and would like to know if anyone else knows of this use, and also how reliable they find hair analysis. Thanks Liz Lillicrap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2012 Report Share Posted June 7, 2012 I have found hair analysis to be inconsistant for the most part. If there is a lot of say, Beryllium , in the hair, they can say either a. you are very toxic and you need help to get this out or b. your body is doing a good job of getting this out ..depending on who you talk to. Generally I have found that it is a vehicle to sell huge amounts of supplements, not taking into consideration the person's constitution and health history.Tabebuia for yeast is great - won't be enough unless diet and stress are addressed though, esp. if the person has hidden food allergies. Never used Urt rad for it! J Fidler, MCPP, (RH) AHGHerbalist To: ukherbal-list Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2012 9:25 AM Subject: Nettle root Firstly thank you for the suggestion re Raspberry seed oil, which I hadn't heard of - do you know where I can get this? The other query is regarding Urtica rad. A client has recently had a hair analysis done, which reveals primarily that she has to combat a fungus (probably Candida albicans) and the company has suggested she takes two herbs - Tabebuia and Urtica rad. I can't find any reference to Urtica rad being used for this purpose and would like to know if anyone else knows of this use, and also how reliable they find hair analysis. Thanks Liz Lillicrap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 Be careful Liz, Using Urtica root came in to treat BPH when it was discovered the lactones acted on it. However, certainly fresh the root can cause quite violent diarrhoea. Obviously this is the risk we run when using unfamilar plant parts without the usual centuries of tradtion to support it. Lorraine Firstly thank you for the suggestion re Raspberry seed oil, which I hadn't heard of - do you know where I can get this? The other query is regarding Urtica rad. A client has recently had a hair analysis done, which reveals primarily that she has to combat a fungus (probably Candida albicans) and the company has suggested she takes two herbs - Tabebuia and Urtica rad. I can't find any reference to Urtica rad being used for this purpose and would like to know if anyone else knows of this use, and also how reliable they find hair analysis. Thanks Liz Lillicrap -- Lorraine Hodgkinson AHG MRCHMHERBS AND HELPERS6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth,Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK.Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2) www.herbalmedicineuk.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 We have supplied what I work out to be about 140,000 5ml doses of fresh nettle root tincture and extract to practitioners over the past decade and am not aware of an ADR - let alone of diarrhoea. I think that supports it's safe use by practitioners. So I was surprised by your observation but I guess you mean the unprepared fresh root, in which case irritation to the lower bowel might not be unexpected?We often seem to fall into the trap of confusing meanings of 'fresh root' with 'fresh root tincture' for example! KR Be careful Liz, Using Urtica root came in to treat BPH when it was discovered the lactones acted on it. However, certainly fresh the root can cause quite violent diarrhoea. Obviously this is the risk we run when using unfamilar plant parts without the usual centuries of tradtion to support it. Lorraine Firstly thank you for the suggestion re Raspberry seed oil, which I hadn't heard of - do you know where I can get this? The other query is regarding Urtica rad. A client has recently had a hair analysis done, which reveals primarily that she has to combat a fungus (probably Candida albicans) and the company has suggested she takes two herbs - Tabebuia and Urtica rad. I can't find any reference to Urtica rad being used for this purpose and would like to know if anyone else knows of this use, and also how reliable they find hair analysis. Thanks Liz Lillicrap -- Lorraine Hodgkinson AHG MRCHMHERBS AND HELPERS6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth,Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK.Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392 Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2) www.herbalmedicineuk.com -- Chenery MNIMH MCPP MSB QPDirector, Rutland Biodynamics Ltd., Organic Medicinal Herb Growers andDepartment of Health (MHRA) Licensed Medicines Manufacturer, Town Park Farm, , Rutland, LE15 8DG, UKEmail: pc@... Website: www.rutlandbio.comConfidentiality: This e-mail and its attachments are intended for the above named only and may be confidential. If they have come to you in error you must take no action based on them, nor must you copy or show them to anyone; please reply to this e-mail and highlight the error. Security Warning: Please note that this e-mail has been created in the knowledge that Internet e-mail is not a 100% secure communications medium. We advise that you understand and observe this lack of security when e-mailing us. Viruses: Although we have taken steps to ensure that this e-mail and attachments are free from any virus, we advise that in keeping with good computing practice the recipient should ensure they are actually virus free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 I am referring to fresh root. Not sure if this applies to dried, certainly tincture will be different again. These observations were from when usage was introduced mainly related to applications for BPH.LorraineLorraine Hodgkinson AHG MRCHMHERBS AND HELPERS6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth,Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK.Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2)www.herbalmedicineuk.comOn 19 Jun 2012, at 08:55, Chenery wrote: We have supplied what I work out to be about 140,000 5ml doses of fresh nettle root tincture and extract to practitioners over the past decade and am not aware of an ADR - let alone of diarrhoea. I think that supports it's safe use by practitioners. So I was surprised by your observation but I guess you mean the unprepared fresh root, in which case irritation to the lower bowel might not be unexpected?We often seem to fall into the trap of confusing meanings of 'fresh root' with 'fresh root tincture' for example! KR Be careful Liz, Using Urtica root came in to treat BPH when it was discovered the lactones acted on it. However, certainly fresh the root can cause quite violent diarrhoea. Obviously this is the risk we run when using unfamilar plant parts without the usual centuries of tradtion to support it. Lorraine Firstly thank you for the suggestion re Raspberry seed oil, which I hadn't heard of - do you know where I can get this? The other query is regarding Urtica rad. A client has recently had a hair analysis done, which reveals primarily that she has to combat a fungus (probably Candida albicans) and the company has suggested she takes two herbs - Tabebuia and Urtica rad. I can't find any reference to Urtica rad being used for this purpose and would like to know if anyone else knows of this use, and also how reliable they find hair analysis. Thanks Liz Lillicrap -- Lorraine Hodgkinson AHG MRCHMHERBS AND HELPERS6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth,Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK.Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392 Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2) www.herbalmedicineuk.com -- Chenery MNIMH MCPP MSB QPDirector, Rutland Biodynamics Ltd., Organic Medicinal Herb Growers andDepartment of Health (MHRA) Licensed Medicines Manufacturer, Town Park Farm, , Rutland, LE15 8DG, UKEmail: pc@... Website: www.rutlandbio.comConfidentiality: This e-mail and its attachments are intended for the above named only and may be confidential. If they have come to you in error you must take no action based on them, nor must you copy or show them to anyone; please reply to this e-mail and highlight the error. Security Warning: Please note that this e-mail has been created in the knowledge that Internet e-mail is not a 100% secure communications medium. We advise that you understand and observe this lack of security when e-mailing us. Viruses: Although we have taken steps to ensure that this e-mail and attachments are free from any virus, we advise that in keeping with good computing practice the recipient should ensure they are actually virus free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 Just for the avoidance of ambiguity, how was the fresh root taken, when it caused diarrhoea. Was this some sort of trial?Thanks I am referring to fresh root. Not sure if this applies to dried, certainly tincture will be different again. These observations were from when usage was introduced mainly related to applications for BPH. LorraineLorraine Hodgkinson AHG MRCHMHERBS AND HELPERS6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth,Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK.Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392 Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2)www.herbalmedicineuk.comOn 19 Jun 2012, at 08:55, Chenery wrote: We have supplied what I work out to be about 140,000 5ml doses of fresh nettle root tincture and extract to practitioners over the past decade and am not aware of an ADR - let alone of diarrhoea. I think that supports it's safe use by practitioners. So I was surprised by your observation but I guess you mean the unprepared fresh root, in which case irritation to the lower bowel might not be unexpected?We often seem to fall into the trap of confusing meanings of 'fresh root' with 'fresh root tincture' for example! KR Be careful Liz, Using Urtica root came in to treat BPH when it was discovered the lactones acted on it. However, certainly fresh the root can cause quite violent diarrhoea. Obviously this is the risk we run when using unfamilar plant parts without the usual centuries of tradtion to support it. Lorraine Firstly thank you for the suggestion re Raspberry seed oil, which I hadn't heard of - do you know where I can get this? The other query is regarding Urtica rad. A client has recently had a hair analysis done, which reveals primarily that she has to combat a fungus (probably Candida albicans) and the company has suggested she takes two herbs - Tabebuia and Urtica rad. I can't find any reference to Urtica rad being used for this purpose and would like to know if anyone else knows of this use, and also how reliable they find hair analysis. Thanks Liz Lillicrap -- Lorraine Hodgkinson AHG MRCHMHERBS AND HELPERS6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth,Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK.Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392 Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2) www.herbalmedicineuk.com -- Chenery MNIMH MCPP MSB QP Director, Rutland Biodynamics Ltd., Organic Medicinal Herb Growers andDepartment of Health (MHRA) Licensed Medicines Manufacturer, Town Park Farm, , Rutland, LE15 8DG, UKEmail: pc@... Website: www.rutlandbio.comConfidentiality: This e-mail and its attachments are intended for the above named only and may be confidential. If they have come to you in error you must take no action based on them, nor must you copy or show them to anyone; please reply to this e-mail and highlight the error. Security Warning: Please note that this e-mail has been created in the knowledge that Internet e-mail is not a 100% secure communications medium. We advise that you understand and observe this lack of security when e-mailing us. Viruses: Although we have taken steps to ensure that this e-mail and attachments are free from any virus, we advise that in keeping with good computing practice the recipient should ensure they are actually virus free. -- Chenery MNIMH MCPP MSB QPDirector, Rutland Biodynamics Ltd., Organic Medicinal Herb Growers andDepartment of Health (MHRA) Licensed Medicines Manufacturer, Town Park Farm, , Rutland, LE15 8DG, UKEmail: pc@... Website: www.rutlandbio.comConfidentiality: This e-mail and its attachments are intended for the above named only and may be confidential. If they have come to you in error you must take no action based on them, nor must you copy or show them to anyone; please reply to this e-mail and highlight the error. Security Warning: Please note that this e-mail has been created in the knowledge that Internet e-mail is not a 100% secure communications medium. We advise that you understand and observe this lack of security when e-mailing us. Viruses: Although we have taken steps to ensure that this e-mail and attachments are free from any virus, we advise that in keeping with good computing practice the recipient should ensure they are actually virus free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 I heard about this very early on in my practice, early 90's. It was a long time ago and as I recall coroborated by others. Maybe it was when the research first broke and application was being experimented with. As far as I know it had to be fresh root and perhaps someone had done small trial !???!Certainly I've tried fresh Rumex crispus root decocted and had a rather rapid but normal exvacuation with a few minutes, although this is anecdotal.Do the lactones still work for BPH in tincture form?LorraineLorraine Hodgkinson AHG MRCHMHERBS AND HELPERS6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth,Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK.Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2)www.herbalmedicineuk.comOn 19 Jun 2012, at 08:55, Chenery wrote: We have supplied what I work out to be about 140,000 5ml doses of fresh nettle root tincture and extract to practitioners over the past decade and am not aware of an ADR - let alone of diarrhoea. I think that supports it's safe use by practitioners. So I was surprised by your observation but I guess you mean the unprepared fresh root, in which case irritation to the lower bowel might not be unexpected?We often seem to fall into the trap of confusing meanings of 'fresh root' with 'fresh root tincture' for example! KR Be careful Liz, Using Urtica root came in to treat BPH when it was discovered the lactones acted on it. However, certainly fresh the root can cause quite violent diarrhoea. Obviously this is the risk we run when using unfamilar plant parts without the usual centuries of tradtion to support it. Lorraine Firstly thank you for the suggestion re Raspberry seed oil, which I hadn't heard of - do you know where I can get this? The other query is regarding Urtica rad. A client has recently had a hair analysis done, which reveals primarily that she has to combat a fungus (probably Candida albicans) and the company has suggested she takes two herbs - Tabebuia and Urtica rad. I can't find any reference to Urtica rad being used for this purpose and would like to know if anyone else knows of this use, and also how reliable they find hair analysis. Thanks Liz Lillicrap -- Lorraine Hodgkinson AHG MRCHMHERBS AND HELPERS6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth,Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK.Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392 Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2) www.herbalmedicineuk.com -- Chenery MNIMH MCPP MSB QPDirector, Rutland Biodynamics Ltd., Organic Medicinal Herb Growers andDepartment of Health (MHRA) Licensed Medicines Manufacturer, Town Park Farm, , Rutland, LE15 8DG, UKEmail: pc@... Website: www.rutlandbio.comConfidentiality: This e-mail and its attachments are intended for the above named only and may be confidential. If they have come to you in error you must take no action based on them, nor must you copy or show them to anyone; please reply to this e-mail and highlight the error. Security Warning: Please note that this e-mail has been created in the knowledge that Internet e-mail is not a 100% secure communications medium. We advise that you understand and observe this lack of security when e-mailing us. Viruses: Although we have taken steps to ensure that this e-mail and attachments are free from any virus, we advise that in keeping with good computing practice the recipient should ensure they are actually virus free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 Please see my other email on this. Yes I think a small trial had been conducted to experiment with application. I'm sorry but the exact detail escapes me. Sure someone else can recall, I do remember it being discussed in herbal circles and thought what a shame if it's so good!LorraineLorraine Hodgkinson AHG MRCHMHERBS AND HELPERS6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth,Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK.Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2)www.herbalmedicineuk.comOn 19 Jun 2012, at 09:29, Chenery wrote: Just for the avoidance of ambiguity, how was the fresh root taken, when it caused diarrhoea. Was this some sort of trial?Thanks I am referring to fresh root. Not sure if this applies to dried, certainly tincture will be different again. These observations were from when usage was introduced mainly related to applications for BPH. LorraineLorraine Hodgkinson AHG MRCHMHERBS AND HELPERS6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth,Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK.Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392 Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2)www.herbalmedicineuk.comOn 19 Jun 2012, at 08:55, Chenery wrote: We have supplied what I work out to be about 140,000 5ml doses of fresh nettle root tincture and extract to practitioners over the past decade and am not aware of an ADR - let alone of diarrhoea. I think that supports it's safe use by practitioners. So I was surprised by your observation but I guess you mean the unprepared fresh root, in which case irritation to the lower bowel might not be unexpected?We often seem to fall into the trap of confusing meanings of 'fresh root' with 'fresh root tincture' for example! KR Be careful Liz, Using Urtica root came in to treat BPH when it was discovered the lactones acted on it. However, certainly fresh the root can cause quite violent diarrhoea. Obviously this is the risk we run when using unfamilar plant parts without the usual centuries of tradtion to support it. Lorraine Firstly thank you for the suggestion re Raspberry seed oil, which I hadn't heard of - do you know where I can get this? The other query is regarding Urtica rad. A client has recently had a hair analysis done, which reveals primarily that she has to combat a fungus (probably Candida albicans) and the company has suggested she takes two herbs - Tabebuia and Urtica rad. I can't find any reference to Urtica rad being used for this purpose and would like to know if anyone else knows of this use, and also how reliable they find hair analysis. Thanks Liz Lillicrap -- Lorraine Hodgkinson AHG MRCHMHERBS AND HELPERS6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth,Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK.Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392 Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2) www.herbalmedicineuk.com -- Chenery MNIMH MCPP MSB QP Director, Rutland Biodynamics Ltd., Organic Medicinal Herb Growers andDepartment of Health (MHRA) Licensed Medicines Manufacturer, Town Park Farm, , Rutland, LE15 8DG, UKEmail: pc@... Website: www.rutlandbio.comConfidentiality: This e-mail and its attachments are intended for the above named only and may be confidential. If they have come to you in error you must take no action based on them, nor must you copy or show them to anyone; please reply to this e-mail and highlight the error. Security Warning: Please note that this e-mail has been created in the knowledge that Internet e-mail is not a 100% secure communications medium. We advise that you understand and observe this lack of security when e-mailing us. Viruses: Although we have taken steps to ensure that this e-mail and attachments are free from any virus, we advise that in keeping with good computing practice the recipient should ensure they are actually virus free. -- Chenery MNIMH MCPP MSB QPDirector, Rutland Biodynamics Ltd., Organic Medicinal Herb Growers andDepartment of Health (MHRA) Licensed Medicines Manufacturer, Town Park Farm, , Rutland, LE15 8DG, UKEmail: pc@... Website: www.rutlandbio.comConfidentiality: This e-mail and its attachments are intended for the above named only and may be confidential. If they have come to you in error you must take no action based on them, nor must you copy or show them to anyone; please reply to this e-mail and highlight the error. Security Warning: Please note that this e-mail has been created in the knowledge that Internet e-mail is not a 100% secure communications medium. We advise that you understand and observe this lack of security when e-mailing us. Viruses: Although we have taken steps to ensure that this e-mail and attachments are free from any virus, we advise that in keeping with good computing practice the recipient should ensure they are actually virus free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 Indeed, Rumex is indicated for constipation and is a brilliant mild lower gut irritant.But I wonder if anyone else can report such effects form fresh Urtica radix tincture / extract? Let's hope that the report you heard about was due to some other effect and not the Urtica rad!KR I heard about this very early on in my practice, early 90's. It was a long time ago and as I recall coroborated by others. Maybe it was when the research first broke and application was being experimented with. As far as I know it had to be fresh root and perhaps someone had done small trial !???! Certainly I've tried fresh Rumex crispus root decocted and had a rather rapid but normal exvacuation with a few minutes, although this is anecdotal.Do the lactones still work for BPH in tincture form? LorraineLorraine Hodgkinson AHG MRCHMHERBS AND HELPERS6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth,Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK. Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2)www.herbalmedicineuk.com We have supplied what I work out to be about 140,000 5ml doses of fresh nettle root tincture and extract to practitioners over the past decade and am not aware of an ADR - let alone of diarrhoea. I think that supports it's safe use by practitioners. So I was surprised by your observation but I guess you mean the unprepared fresh root, in which case irritation to the lower bowel might not be unexpected?We often seem to fall into the trap of confusing meanings of 'fresh root' with 'fresh root tincture' for example! KR Be careful Liz, Using Urtica root came in to treat BPH when it was discovered the lactones acted on it. However, certainly fresh the root can cause quite violent diarrhoea. Obviously this is the risk we run when using unfamilar plant parts without the usual centuries of tradtion to support it. Lorraine Firstly thank you for the suggestion re Raspberry seed oil, which I hadn't heard of - do you know where I can get this? The other query is regarding Urtica rad. A client has recently had a hair analysis done, which reveals primarily that she has to combat a fungus (probably Candida albicans) and the company has suggested she takes two herbs - Tabebuia and Urtica rad. I can't find any reference to Urtica rad being used for this purpose and would like to know if anyone else knows of this use, and also how reliable they find hair analysis. Thanks Liz Lillicrap -- Lorraine Hodgkinson AHG MRCHMHERBS AND HELPERS6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth,Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK.Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392 Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2) www.herbalmedicineuk.com -- Chenery MNIMH MCPP MSB QP Director, Rutland Biodynamics Ltd., Organic Medicinal Herb Growers andDepartment of Health (MHRA) Licensed Medicines Manufacturer, Town Park Farm, , Rutland, LE15 8DG, UKEmail: pc@... Website: www.rutlandbio.comConfidentiality: This e-mail and its attachments are intended for the above named only and may be confidential. If they have come to you in error you must take no action based on them, nor must you copy or show them to anyone; please reply to this e-mail and highlight the error. Security Warning: Please note that this e-mail has been created in the knowledge that Internet e-mail is not a 100% secure communications medium. We advise that you understand and observe this lack of security when e-mailing us. Viruses: Although we have taken steps to ensure that this e-mail and attachments are free from any virus, we advise that in keeping with good computing practice the recipient should ensure they are actually virus free. -- Chenery MNIMH MCPP MSB QPDirector, Rutland Biodynamics Ltd., Organic Medicinal Herb Growers andDepartment of Health (MHRA) Licensed Medicines Manufacturer, Town Park Farm, , Rutland, LE15 8DG, UKEmail: pc@... Website: www.rutlandbio.comConfidentiality: This e-mail and its attachments are intended for the above named only and may be confidential. If they have come to you in error you must take no action based on them, nor must you copy or show them to anyone; please reply to this e-mail and highlight the error. Security Warning: Please note that this e-mail has been created in the knowledge that Internet e-mail is not a 100% secure communications medium. We advise that you understand and observe this lack of security when e-mailing us. Viruses: Although we have taken steps to ensure that this e-mail and attachments are free from any virus, we advise that in keeping with good computing practice the recipient should ensure they are actually virus free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 It definately wasn't tincture, I had the idea that this somehow was because the alcohol would destroy the lactones!??! Can you clarify if this is the case. As it wasn't available then in any prepared form. I think initial experiments were on rats.LorraineLorraine Hodgkinson AHG MRCHMHERBS AND HELPERS6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth,Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK.Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2)www.herbalmedicineuk.comOn 19 Jun 2012, at 09:42, Chenery wrote: Indeed, Rumex is indicated for constipation and is a brilliant mild lower gut irritant.But I wonder if anyone else can report such effects form fresh Urtica radix tincture / extract? Let's hope that the report you heard about was due to some other effect and not the Urtica rad!KR I heard about this very early on in my practice, early 90's. It was a long time ago and as I recall coroborated by others. Maybe it was when the research first broke and application was being experimented with. As far as I know it had to be fresh root and perhaps someone had done small trial !???! Certainly I've tried fresh Rumex crispus root decocted and had a rather rapid but normal exvacuation with a few minutes, although this is anecdotal.Do the lactones still work for BPH in tincture form? LorraineLorraine Hodgkinson AHG MRCHMHERBS AND HELPERS6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth,Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK. Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2)www.herbalmedicineuk.com We have supplied what I work out to be about 140,000 5ml doses of fresh nettle root tincture and extract to practitioners over the past decade and am not aware of an ADR - let alone of diarrhoea. I think that supports it's safe use by practitioners. So I was surprised by your observation but I guess you mean the unprepared fresh root, in which case irritation to the lower bowel might not be unexpected?We often seem to fall into the trap of confusing meanings of 'fresh root' with 'fresh root tincture' for example! KR Be careful Liz, Using Urtica root came in to treat BPH when it was discovered the lactones acted on it. However, certainly fresh the root can cause quite violent diarrhoea. Obviously this is the risk we run when using unfamilar plant parts without the usual centuries of tradtion to support it. Lorraine Firstly thank you for the suggestion re Raspberry seed oil, which I hadn't heard of - do you know where I can get this? The other query is regarding Urtica rad. A client has recently had a hair analysis done, which reveals primarily that she has to combat a fungus (probably Candida albicans) and the company has suggested she takes two herbs - Tabebuia and Urtica rad. I can't find any reference to Urtica rad being used for this purpose and would like to know if anyone else knows of this use, and also how reliable they find hair analysis. Thanks Liz Lillicrap -- Lorraine Hodgkinson AHG MRCHMHERBS AND HELPERS6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth,Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK.Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392 Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2) www.herbalmedicineuk.com -- Chenery MNIMH MCPP MSB QP Director, Rutland Biodynamics Ltd., Organic Medicinal Herb Growers andDepartment of Health (MHRA) Licensed Medicines Manufacturer, Town Park Farm, , Rutland, LE15 8DG, UKEmail: pc@... Website: www.rutlandbio.comConfidentiality: This e-mail and its attachments are intended for the above named only and may be confidential. If they have come to you in error you must take no action based on them, nor must you copy or show them to anyone; please reply to this e-mail and highlight the error. Security Warning: Please note that this e-mail has been created in the knowledge that Internet e-mail is not a 100% secure communications medium. We advise that you understand and observe this lack of security when e-mailing us. Viruses: Although we have taken steps to ensure that this e-mail and attachments are free from any virus, we advise that in keeping with good computing practice the recipient should ensure they are actually virus free. -- Chenery MNIMH MCPP MSB QPDirector, Rutland Biodynamics Ltd., Organic Medicinal Herb Growers andDepartment of Health (MHRA) Licensed Medicines Manufacturer, Town Park Farm, , Rutland, LE15 8DG, UKEmail: pc@... Website: www.rutlandbio.comConfidentiality: This e-mail and its attachments are intended for the above named only and may be confidential. If they have come to you in error you must take no action based on them, nor must you copy or show them to anyone; please reply to this e-mail and highlight the error. 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Guest guest Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 Just grabbed this off the net:Some reported side effects from taking nettle leaf or root preparations included gastrointestinal upset, sweating and skin rashes or irritations, says the Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center. These side effects are rare, however. Although no cases have been reported, nettle leaf or root may potentially interact with certain medications, such as anti-inflammatory medicines, sedatives, antihypertensive drugs and anti-diabetes medications, says the University of Pittsburgh Medical CenterLorraineLorraine Hodgkinson AHG MRCHMHERBS AND HELPERS6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth,Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK.Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2)www.herbalmedicineuk.comOn 19 Jun 2012, at 09:42, Chenery wrote: Indeed, Rumex is indicated for constipation and is a brilliant mild lower gut irritant.But I wonder if anyone else can report such effects form fresh Urtica radix tincture / extract? Let's hope that the report you heard about was due to some other effect and not the Urtica rad!KR I heard about this very early on in my practice, early 90's. It was a long time ago and as I recall coroborated by others. Maybe it was when the research first broke and application was being experimented with. As far as I know it had to be fresh root and perhaps someone had done small trial !???! Certainly I've tried fresh Rumex crispus root decocted and had a rather rapid but normal exvacuation with a few minutes, although this is anecdotal.Do the lactones still work for BPH in tincture form? LorraineLorraine Hodgkinson AHG MRCHMHERBS AND HELPERS6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth,Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK. Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2)www.herbalmedicineuk.com We have supplied what I work out to be about 140,000 5ml doses of fresh nettle root tincture and extract to practitioners over the past decade and am not aware of an ADR - let alone of diarrhoea. I think that supports it's safe use by practitioners. So I was surprised by your observation but I guess you mean the unprepared fresh root, in which case irritation to the lower bowel might not be unexpected?We often seem to fall into the trap of confusing meanings of 'fresh root' with 'fresh root tincture' for example! KR Be careful Liz, Using Urtica root came in to treat BPH when it was discovered the lactones acted on it. However, certainly fresh the root can cause quite violent diarrhoea. Obviously this is the risk we run when using unfamilar plant parts without the usual centuries of tradtion to support it. Lorraine Firstly thank you for the suggestion re Raspberry seed oil, which I hadn't heard of - do you know where I can get this? The other query is regarding Urtica rad. A client has recently had a hair analysis done, which reveals primarily that she has to combat a fungus (probably Candida albicans) and the company has suggested she takes two herbs - Tabebuia and Urtica rad. I can't find any reference to Urtica rad being used for this purpose and would like to know if anyone else knows of this use, and also how reliable they find hair analysis. Thanks Liz Lillicrap -- Lorraine Hodgkinson AHG MRCHMHERBS AND HELPERS6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth,Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK.Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392 Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2) www.herbalmedicineuk.com -- Chenery MNIMH MCPP MSB QP Director, Rutland Biodynamics Ltd., Organic Medicinal Herb Growers andDepartment of Health (MHRA) Licensed Medicines Manufacturer, Town Park Farm, , Rutland, LE15 8DG, UKEmail: pc@... Website: www.rutlandbio.comConfidentiality: This e-mail and its attachments are intended for the above named only and may be confidential. If they have come to you in error you must take no action based on them, nor must you copy or show them to anyone; please reply to this e-mail and highlight the error. 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Guest guest Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 Poor rats, first given BPH and then forced to eat raw nettle root perhaps? Well, alcohol certainly doesn't destroy lactones - they are half alcohol (-OH) and half acid (-COOH) compounds themselves and are used rather a lot in the whisky industry to impart that " oak flavour " .... anyway it's a bit early in the morning for all that! It definately wasn't tincture, I had the idea that this somehow was because the alcohol would destroy the lactones!??! Can you clarify if this is the case. As it wasn't available then in any prepared form. I think initial experiments were on rats. LorraineLorraine Hodgkinson AHG MRCHMHERBS AND HELPERS6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth,Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK. Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2)www.herbalmedicineuk.com Indeed, Rumex is indicated for constipation and is a brilliant mild lower gut irritant.But I wonder if anyone else can report such effects form fresh Urtica radix tincture / extract? Let's hope that the report you heard about was due to some other effect and not the Urtica rad!KR I heard about this very early on in my practice, early 90's. It was a long time ago and as I recall coroborated by others. Maybe it was when the research first broke and application was being experimented with. As far as I know it had to be fresh root and perhaps someone had done small trial !???! Certainly I've tried fresh Rumex crispus root decocted and had a rather rapid but normal exvacuation with a few minutes, although this is anecdotal.Do the lactones still work for BPH in tincture form? LorraineLorraine Hodgkinson AHG MRCHMHERBS AND HELPERS6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth,Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK. Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2)www.herbalmedicineuk.com We have supplied what I work out to be about 140,000 5ml doses of fresh nettle root tincture and extract to practitioners over the past decade and am not aware of an ADR - let alone of diarrhoea. I think that supports it's safe use by practitioners. So I was surprised by your observation but I guess you mean the unprepared fresh root, in which case irritation to the lower bowel might not be unexpected?We often seem to fall into the trap of confusing meanings of 'fresh root' with 'fresh root tincture' for example! KR Be careful Liz, Using Urtica root came in to treat BPH when it was discovered the lactones acted on it. However, certainly fresh the root can cause quite violent diarrhoea. Obviously this is the risk we run when using unfamilar plant parts without the usual centuries of tradtion to support it. Lorraine Firstly thank you for the suggestion re Raspberry seed oil, which I hadn't heard of - do you know where I can get this? The other query is regarding Urtica rad. A client has recently had a hair analysis done, which reveals primarily that she has to combat a fungus (probably Candida albicans) and the company has suggested she takes two herbs - Tabebuia and Urtica rad. I can't find any reference to Urtica rad being used for this purpose and would like to know if anyone else knows of this use, and also how reliable they find hair analysis. Thanks Liz Lillicrap -- Lorraine Hodgkinson AHG MRCHMHERBS AND HELPERS6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth,Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK.Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392 Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2) www.herbalmedicineuk.com -- Chenery MNIMH MCPP MSB QP Director, Rutland Biodynamics Ltd., Organic Medicinal Herb Growers andDepartment of Health (MHRA) Licensed Medicines Manufacturer, Town Park Farm, , Rutland, LE15 8DG, UKEmail: pc@... 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Guest guest Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 Okay sorry for the wool! I think I've tracked down the research I was referring too:http://www.crcnetbase.com/doi/abs/10.1201/9780203017920.ch5LorraineLorraine Hodgkinson AHG MRCHMHERBS AND HELPERS6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth,Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK.Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2)www.herbalmedicineuk.comOn 19 Jun 2012, at 09:55, Chenery wrote: Poor rats, first given BPH and then forced to eat raw nettle root perhaps? Well, alcohol certainly doesn't destroy lactones - they are half alcohol (-OH) and half acid (-COOH) compounds themselves and are used rather a lot in the whisky industry to impart that "oak flavour".... anyway it's a bit early in the morning for all that! It definately wasn't tincture, I had the idea that this somehow was because the alcohol would destroy the lactones!??! Can you clarify if this is the case. As it wasn't available then in any prepared form. I think initial experiments were on rats. LorraineLorraine Hodgkinson AHG MRCHMHERBS AND HELPERS6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth,Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK. Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2)www.herbalmedicineuk.com Indeed, Rumex is indicated for constipation and is a brilliant mild lower gut irritant.But I wonder if anyone else can report such effects form fresh Urtica radix tincture / extract? Let's hope that the report you heard about was due to some other effect and not the Urtica rad!KR I heard about this very early on in my practice, early 90's. It was a long time ago and as I recall coroborated by others. Maybe it was when the research first broke and application was being experimented with. As far as I know it had to be fresh root and perhaps someone had done small trial !???! Certainly I've tried fresh Rumex crispus root decocted and had a rather rapid but normal exvacuation with a few minutes, although this is anecdotal.Do the lactones still work for BPH in tincture form? LorraineLorraine Hodgkinson AHG MRCHMHERBS AND HELPERS6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth,Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK. Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2)www.herbalmedicineuk.com We have supplied what I work out to be about 140,000 5ml doses of fresh nettle root tincture and extract to practitioners over the past decade and am not aware of an ADR - let alone of diarrhoea. I think that supports it's safe use by practitioners. So I was surprised by your observation but I guess you mean the unprepared fresh root, in which case irritation to the lower bowel might not be unexpected?We often seem to fall into the trap of confusing meanings of 'fresh root' with 'fresh root tincture' for example! KR Be careful Liz, Using Urtica root came in to treat BPH when it was discovered the lactones acted on it. However, certainly fresh the root can cause quite violent diarrhoea. Obviously this is the risk we run when using unfamilar plant parts without the usual centuries of tradtion to support it. Lorraine Firstly thank you for the suggestion re Raspberry seed oil, which I hadn't heard of - do you know where I can get this? The other query is regarding Urtica rad. A client has recently had a hair analysis done, which reveals primarily that she has to combat a fungus (probably Candida albicans) and the company has suggested she takes two herbs - Tabebuia and Urtica rad. I can't find any reference to Urtica rad being used for this purpose and would like to know if anyone else knows of this use, and also how reliable they find hair analysis. Thanks Liz Lillicrap -- Lorraine Hodgkinson AHG MRCHMHERBS AND HELPERS6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth,Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK.Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392 Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2) www.herbalmedicineuk.com -- Chenery MNIMH MCPP MSB QP Director, Rutland Biodynamics Ltd., Organic Medicinal Herb Growers andDepartment of Health (MHRA) Licensed Medicines Manufacturer, Town Park Farm, , Rutland, LE15 8DG, UKEmail: pc@... Website: www.rutlandbio.comConfidentiality: This e-mail and its attachments are intended for the above named only and may be confidential. If they have come to you in error you must take no action based on them, nor must you copy or show them to anyone; please reply to this e-mail and highlight the error. Security Warning: Please note that this e-mail has been created in the knowledge that Internet e-mail is not a 100% secure communications medium. We advise that you understand and observe this lack of security when e-mailing us. 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