Guest guest Posted June 13, 2012 Report Share Posted June 13, 2012 what on earth is this all about ??!! The ROSES and HIV HIV / AIDs and the RosesI have been journeying with the RosesThe following will remove HIV and AIDs from the body. Rose buds / petals – which will best keep it in and get it out?Rosehip grainedBlessed Sloe berriesRed cloverLadies MantleHawthorn berriesFilipendula Raspberry leafYou should include:RaspberryBlackberryApple why not Crab appleMedlarStrawberry - why not but wild it should be but then please to the mouth it be. Quince raw a bit and then in jam or boiled right through as a little raw will help too but lot and it might hurt you.Rowan berries JamMake a fruit saladWillow and Calendula will also but not necessary with the aboveSo a Cure for HIV and AIDs only a little thing and will go soon. So will the rose heal man from HIV and AIDs, yes, but it will not do it alone, no, so let it be the rose hip, will it do it alone, no, so let it be the Sloe berries, and will it do it alone, no, so let it be the hawthorn, so will it do it alone, no, so let it be the red clover, so will it do it alone, no, so let it be the ladies mantle, so will it do it alone, no, so let it be the filipendula, so will it do it alone, no, so let it be helped by the raspberry leaf and fruit, so will it do it alone, yes, and let it be helped by the quince, and let it be helped by the crab apple and the apple, and let it be helped by the blackberry and let it be helped by the medlar, and let it be helped by the rowan, and let it be helped by the strawberry – why not includeAnd the dew berry and the juneberry I have not found them yet can you? And please give them my love.And please get picking for one and all as you know what its like when the season has passed then we are done for as far as this goes so pick the rowan when she is here, the same for the crab the blackberries and raspberries too and all of the fruits so here's what to do use preserves all the way through and even in alcohol for a few but not the rowan as it will poison you (a little bit of belly ache).I am not going into how it works find out for yourselves. Use it and free the world of HIV. I might write further about this later I was going to write fully but I have been so got at I am exhausted. And also but not necessary is:WillowWill also kill it outright. And so will Asprin but when there is willow why use this I'd say. But now Aspirin is my cure so they are not allowed to use this at all by the copyright laws so if they do use to remove HIV they will be sued as I found it and that is true. And others too. So as to this cure it is ours no one can use if they are not a herbalist. And of good heart. And rights will be removed if they are not without reason given. I'm talking only of serious misdemeanours. (Like not picking herbs!). Those involved negatively with the pharmaceutical agents are not allowed to use it sell it pass it on or anything else. It cannot be made up or used or sold by the pharmaceutical companies - or herbal companies without permission.Essentially no one may sell or use it under a product licence.And it must be made up by a herbalist or authorised practitioner. It cannot be sold as a mix or product or cure to any individual unless under a herbalist or authorised practitioner for the obvious. It has to be made up by the herbalist in their own home or practice. Doctors cannot use it without my permission though the Anthros have my sympathies.The above applies always in all circumstances unless otherwise agreed by me and if I am shot well to my suitable colleagues. Basically this is ours and is protected by law no one else can use it without permission and we should do the same with all our medicines. No virus found in this message.Checked by AVG - www.avg.comVersion: 2012.0.2177 / Virus Database: 2433/5065 - Release Date: 06/12/12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2012 Report Share Posted June 13, 2012 My goodness freeandwilful, have all those ingested cyanide-containing compounds affected your brain???:-)Dr Craig Homeopath. Phytotherapist166 Lansdowne Road. Claremont. 7708+27 21 671 4338 what on earth is this all about ??!! The ROSES and HIV HIV / AIDs and the RosesI have been journeying with the RosesThe following will remove HIV and AIDs from the body. Rose buds / petals – which will best keep it in and get it out?Rosehip grainedBlessed Sloe berriesRed cloverLadies MantleHawthorn berriesFilipendula Raspberry leafYou should include:RaspberryBlackberryApple why not Crab appleMedlarStrawberry - why not but wild it should be but then please to the mouth it be. Quince raw a bit and then in jam or boiled right through as a little raw will help too but lot and it might hurt you.Rowan berries JamMake a fruit saladWillow and Calendula will also but not necessary with the aboveSo a Cure for HIV and AIDs only a little thing and will go soon. So will the rose heal man from HIV and AIDs, yes, but it will not do it alone, no, so let it be the rose hip, will it do it alone, no, so let it be the Sloe berries, and will it do it alone, no, so let it be the hawthorn, so will it do it alone, no, so let it be the red clover, so will it do it alone, no, so let it be the ladies mantle, so will it do it alone, no, so let it be the filipendula, so will it do it alone, no, so let it be helped by the raspberry leaf and fruit, so will it do it alone, yes, and let it be helped by the quince, and let it be helped by the crab apple and the apple, and let it be helped by the blackberry and let it be helped by the medlar, and let it be helped by the rowan, and let it be helped by the strawberry – why not includeAnd the dew berry and the juneberry I have not found them yet can you? And please give them my love.And please get picking for one and all as you know what its like when the season has passed then we are done for as far as this goes so pick the rowan when she is here, the same for the crab the blackberries and raspberries too and all of the fruits so here's what to do use preserves all the way through and even in alcohol for a few but not the rowan as it will poison you (a little bit of belly ache).I am not going into how it works find out for yourselves. Use it and free the world of HIV. I might write further about this later I was going to write fully but I have been so got at I am exhausted. And also but not necessary is:WillowWill also kill it outright. And so will Asprin but when there is willow why use this I'd say. But now Aspirin is my cure so they are not allowed to use this at all by the copyright laws so if they do use to remove HIV they will be sued as I found it and that is true. And others too. So as to this cure it is ours no one can use if they are not a herbalist. And of good heart. And rights will be removed if they are not without reason given. I'm talking only of serious misdemeanours. (Like not picking herbs!). Those involved negatively with the pharmaceutical agents are not allowed to use it sell it pass it on or anything else. It cannot be made up or used or sold by the pharmaceutical companies - or herbal companies without permission.Essentially no one may sell or use it under a product licence.And it must be made up by a herbalist or authorised practitioner. It cannot be sold as a mix or product or cure to any individual unless under a herbalist or authorised practitioner for the obvious. It has to be made up by the herbalist in their own home or practice. Doctors cannot use it without my permission though the Anthros have my sympathies.The above applies always in all circumstances unless otherwise agreed by me and if I am shot well to my suitable colleagues. Basically this is ours and is protected by law no one else can use it without permission and we should do the same with all our medicines. No virus found in this message.Checked by AVG - www.avg.comVersion: 2012.0.2177 / Virus Database: 2433/5065 - Release Date: 06/12/12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2012 Report Share Posted June 13, 2012 Whoever 'freeand wilful' is, perhaps they would like to let us know who they are by signing off on any post. A pretty bizarre post in any event. Anne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2012 Report Share Posted June 13, 2012 Someone's having a laugh, its on the Indies as well Therri From: Anne Larvin Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 6:03 PM To: ukherbal-list Subject: Re: The ROSES and HIV Whoever 'freeand wilful' is, perhaps they would like to let us know who they are by signing off on any post. A pretty bizarre post in any event. Anne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2012 Report Share Posted June 13, 2012 but how have they accessed this site unless they are a herbalist? and if they are a herbalist theyre not doing us any favours. I know this site is unmoderated but it is closed so who are they - Graham or Henriette do you know ? annette Re: The ROSES and HIV Whoever 'freeand wilful' is, perhaps they would like to let us know who they are by signing off on any post. A pretty bizarre post in any event. Anne No virus found in this message.Checked by AVG - www.avg.comVersion: 2012.0.2177 / Virus Database: 2433/5067 - Release Date: 06/13/12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2012 Report Share Posted June 13, 2012 > but how have they accessed this site unless they are a herbalist? and if > they are a herbalist theyre not doing us any favours. > I know this site is unmoderated but it is closed so who are they - Graham or > Henriette do you know ? Sorry, I don't know them, and their yahoo profile is singularly unhelpful. They're gone now. H. -- Henriette Kress, AHG Helsinki, Finland Henriette's herbal homepage: http://www.henriettesherbal.com New book: http://www.henriettesherbal.com/articles/pract-herbs.html Now also on Amazon UK: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/9526757505 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2012 Report Share Posted June 13, 2012 Oooh I thought it was a Medieval herbalist come forward in time and found the internet. Wonder what herb they used to time travel? Zoe Medical Herbalist (MCPP Dip. Phyt.) Buteyko Breathing Practitoner Carlingcott Pharmaculture Orchard " Wild Drugs " 'A Foragers Guide to Healing Plants' Gaia 2010 www.zoehawes.co.uk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2012 Report Share Posted June 13, 2012 I suspect it was Edsard Ernst. Now that he is retired he can finally reveal his true opinions. Guy > >> but how have they accessed this site unless they are a herbalist? >> and if >> they are a herbalist theyre not doing us any favours. >> I know this site is unmoderated but it is closed so who are they - >> Graham or >> Henriette do you know ? > > Sorry, I don't know them, and their yahoo profile is singularly > unhelpful. > They're gone now. > > H. > > -- > Henriette Kress, AHG Helsinki, Finland > Henriette's herbal homepage: http://www.henriettesherbal.com > New book: http://www.henriettesherbal.com/articles/pract-herbs.html > Now also on Amazon UK: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/9526757505 > > > ------------------------------------ > > List Owner: Graham White, MNIMH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2012 Report Share Posted June 13, 2012 Unfortunately the full email address is not visible on the email I received but the only person I remember who had an address beginning 'freeandwilful' was Verge who has made a lot of postings in the past on this list and is presumably still a member. If it was your posting , please do say so. I don't want to get into discussion about the content of the posting itself, but surely we should be prepared to identify ourselves if we have something to say on this Forum. During the short time I was on NIMH Council, I realised that the NIMH Forum had a huge number of 'members' who were either non-members, spammers, or other users who were not identifiable because of their inscrutable email addresses. I thought this was a serious security issue and tried without success to gain support from Council to sort it out. It was one of the many factors which ultimately led to my resignation from Council and from NIMH itself - it's so blimmin unprofessional! Best wishes Ann > > but how have they accessed this site unless they are a herbalist? and if > > they are a herbalist theyre not doing us any favours. > > I know this site is unmoderated but it is closed so who are they - Graham or > > Henriette do you know ? > > Sorry, I don't know them, and their yahoo profile is singularly unhelpful. > They're gone now. > > H. > > -- > Henriette Kress, AHG Helsinki, Finland > Henriette's herbal homepage: http://www.henriettesherbal.com > New book: http://www.henriettesherbal.com/articles/pract-herbs.html > Now also on Amazon UK: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/9526757505 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2012 Report Share Posted June 13, 2012 HiI agree. I don't think a forum for professionals is any place for anonymous postingsRegardsDr GascoigneMedical doctor, acupuncturist, herbalistClinics in Bath & Tetbury, UKTel: +44 (0) 79 88 05 92 01Also, Bandon, Co. Cork, IrelandTel: +353 (0) 87 9266234Website: www.drgascoigne.comOn 13 Jun 2012, at 23:16, "anngeorge2" wrote: Unfortunately the full email address is not visible on the email I received but the only person I remember who had an address beginning 'freeandwilful' was Verge who has made a lot of postings in the past on this list and is presumably still a member. If it was your posting , please do say so. I don't want to get into discussion about the content of the posting itself, but surely we should be prepared to identify ourselves if we have something to say on this Forum. During the short time I was on NIMH Council, I realised that the NIMH Forum had a huge number of 'members' who were either non-members, spammers, or other users who were not identifiable because of their inscrutable email addresses. I thought this was a serious security issue and tried without success to gain support from Council to sort it out. It was one of the many factors which ultimately led to my resignation from Council and from NIMH itself - it's so blimmin unprofessional! Best wishes Ann > > but how have they accessed this site unless they are a herbalist? and if > > they are a herbalist theyre not doing us any favours. > > I know this site is unmoderated but it is closed so who are they - Graham or > > Henriette do you know ? > > Sorry, I don't know them, and their yahoo profile is singularly unhelpful. > They're gone now. > > H. > > -- > Henriette Kress, AHG Helsinki, Finland > Henriette's herbal homepage: http://www.henriettesherbal.com > New book: http://www.henriettesherbal.com/articles/pract-herbs.html > Now also on Amazon UK: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/9526757505 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2012 Report Share Posted June 13, 2012 There was a misunderstanding about the NIMH forum, as there were two levels of membership. (I was facilitator at the time) Unfortunately the board had been set up to allow anybody to register on it.,by the website builders, and thus allowed the "spambots" which roam the web to become "members" BUT the forums themselves were strictly NIMH members only (Each member had to be verified and admitted by myself - quite a painstaking process - and the remaining, mostly automated registrations removed) (This was a slow process, but at no time was there any access to the actual forums by anybody other than members)ie, only members could post, and only members could read posts.Sally OwenHiI agree. I don't think a forum for professionals is any place for anonymous postingsRegardsDr GascoigneMedical doctor, acupuncturist, herbalistClinics in Bath & Tetbury, UKTel: +44 (0) 79 88 05 92 01Also, Bandon, Co. Cork, IrelandTel: +353 (0) 87 9266234Website: www.drgascoigne.comOn 13 Jun 2012, at 23:16, "anngeorge2" wrote:Unfortunately the full email address is not visible on the email I received but the only person I remember who had an address beginning 'freeandwilful' was Verge who has made a lot of postings in the past on this list and is presumably still a member.If it was your posting , please do say so.I don't want to get into discussion about the content of the posting itself, but surely we should be prepared to identify ourselves if we have something to say on this Forum. During the short time I was on NIMH Council, I realised that the NIMH Forum had a huge number of 'members' who were either non-members, spammers, or other users who were not identifiable because of their inscrutable email addresses. I thought this was a serious security issue and tried without success to gain support from Council to sort it out. It was one of the many factors which ultimately led to my resignation from Council and from NIMH itself - it's so blimmin unprofessional!Best wishesAnn > > but how have they accessed this site unless they are a herbalist? and if> > they are a herbalist theyre not doing us any favours.> > I know this site is unmoderated but it is closed so who are they - Graham or> > Henriette do you know ?> > Sorry, I don't know them, and their yahoo profile is singularly unhelpful.> They're gone now.> > H.> > -- > Henriette Kress, AHG Helsinki, Finland> Henriette's herbal homepage: http://www.henriettesherbal.com> New book: http://www.henriettesherbal.com/articles/pract-herbs.html> Now also on Amazon UK: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/9526757505> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 Sorry Sally, I should have made it clear that the fault was due to the website developers, about whom the less said the better. I was just disappointed that, once the problem came to light, there was a lack of support or interest in sorting it all out and calling the website company to account. Whether these non-members could post or not, member names/email addresses, which in some cases bordered on the pornographic, were visible to any Forum member who wanted to look at the member list. Not a good look at all. And sorry everyone, I know this isn't a NIMH Forum but I thought I should speak up. It's such an important issue and one which affects not just this Forum. Seems to happen all too easily. All the best Ann > > > > but how have they accessed this site unless they are a > > herbalist? and if > > > > they are a herbalist theyre not doing us any favours. > > > > I know this site is unmoderated but it is closed so who are they > > - Graham or > > > > Henriette do you know ? > > > > > > Sorry, I don't know them, and their yahoo profile is singularly > > unhelpful. > > > They're gone now. > > > > > > H. > > > > > > -- > > > Henriette Kress, AHG Helsinki, Finland > > > Henriette's herbal homepage: http://www.henriettesherbal.com > > > New book: http://www.henriettesherbal.com/articles/pract-herbs.html > > > Now also on Amazon UK: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/9526757505 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 Anne, just looked in the archives - you're right about the 'freeandwilful' address. IF it is the same person, at that time, I think we ended up creating an enemy there by stifling challenging debate and removing her from the list . Helen To: ukherbal-list Sent: Wednesday, 13 June 2012, 23:16 Subject: Re: The ROSES and HIV Unfortunately the full email address is not visible on the email I received but the only person I remember who had an address beginning 'freeandwilful' was Verge who has made a lot of postings in the past on this list and is presumably still a member. If it was your posting , please do say so. I don't want to get into discussion about the content of the posting itself, but surely we should be prepared to identify ourselves if we have something to say on this Forum. During the short time I was on NIMH Council, I realised that the NIMH Forum had a huge number of 'members' who were either non-members, spammers, or other users who were not identifiable because of their inscrutable email addresses. I thought this was a serious security issue and tried without success to gain support from Council to sort it out. It was one of the many factors which ultimately led to my resignation from Council and from NIMH itself - it's so blimmin unprofessional! Best wishes Ann > > but how have they accessed this site unless they are a herbalist? and if > > they are a herbalist theyre not doing us any favours. > > I know this site is unmoderated but it is closed so who are they - Graham or > > Henriette do you know ? > > Sorry, I don't know them, and their yahoo profile is singularly unhelpful. > They're gone now. > > H. > > -- > Henriette Kress, AHG Helsinki, Finland > Henriette's herbal homepage: http://www.henriettesherbal.com > New book: http://www.henriettesherbal.com/articles/pract-herbs.html > Now also on Amazon UK: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/9526757505 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 Hi Ann, I echo your comments, I brought up a number of issues as an NIMH member that were rather serious and the tendency was to ignore them. Never used to be like that, such a shame! Now happily a full professional member in the AHG.LorraineLorraine Hodgkinson AHG MRCHMHERBS AND HELPERS6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth,Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK.Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2)www.herbalmedicineuk.comOn 13 Jun 2012, at 23:16, "anngeorge2" wrote: Unfortunately the full email address is not visible on the email I received but the only person I remember who had an address beginning 'freeandwilful' was Verge who has made a lot of postings in the past on this list and is presumably still a member. If it was your posting , please do say so. I don't want to get into discussion about the content of the posting itself, but surely we should be prepared to identify ourselves if we have something to say on this Forum. During the short time I was on NIMH Council, I realised that the NIMH Forum had a huge number of 'members' who were either non-members, spammers, or other users who were not identifiable because of their inscrutable email addresses. I thought this was a serious security issue and tried without success to gain support from Council to sort it out. It was one of the many factors which ultimately led to my resignation from Council and from NIMH itself - it's so blimmin unprofessional! Best wishes Ann > > but how have they accessed this site unless they are a herbalist? and if > > they are a herbalist theyre not doing us any favours. > > I know this site is unmoderated but it is closed so who are they - Graham or > > Henriette do you know ? > > Sorry, I don't know them, and their yahoo profile is singularly unhelpful. > They're gone now. > > H. > > -- > Henriette Kress, AHG Helsinki, Finland > Henriette's herbal homepage: http://www.henriettesherbal.com > New book: http://www.henriettesherbal.com/articles/pract-herbs.html > Now also on Amazon UK: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/9526757505 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 > Anne, just looked in the archives - you're right about the 'freeandwilful' > address. IF it is the same person, at that time, I think we ended up > creating an enemy there by stifling challenging debate and removing her from > the list . However, this email was different: the name was missing from the " From: " address. I still think that her account has been hacked. H. -- Henriette Kress, AHG Helsinki, Finland Henriette's herbal homepage: http://www.henriettesherbal.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 Dear Henriette I didn't know had been removed from the list, though I remember the discussion which no doubt caused her removal. However this message got there, it's a bit worrying. If anyone knows her personally maybe they could make contact and find out? Best wishes Ann > > Anne, just looked in the archives - you're right about the 'freeandwilful' > > address. IF it is the same person, at that time, I think we ended up > > creating an enemy there by stifling challenging debate and removing her from > > the list . > > However, this email was different: the name was missing from the " From: " > address. I still think that her account has been hacked. > > H. > > -- > Henriette Kress, AHG Helsinki, Finland > Henriette's herbal homepage: http://www.henriettesherbal.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 Me too, resigned end of last year Sent from my iPhone Hi Ann, I echo your comments, I brought up a number of issues as an NIMH member that were rather serious and the tendency was to ignore them. Never used to be like that, such a shame! Now happily a full professional member in the AHG.LorraineLorraine Hodgkinson AHG MRCHMHERBS AND HELPERS6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth,Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK.Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2)www.herbalmedicineuk.comOn 13 Jun 2012, at 23:16, "anngeorge2" wrote: Unfortunately the full email address is not visible on the email I received but the only person I remember who had an address beginning 'freeandwilful' was Verge who has made a lot of postings in the past on this list and is presumably still a member. If it was your posting , please do say so. I don't want to get into discussion about the content of the posting itself, but surely we should be prepared to identify ourselves if we have something to say on this Forum. During the short time I was on NIMH Council, I realised that the NIMH Forum had a huge number of 'members' who were either non-members, spammers, or other users who were not identifiable because of their inscrutable email addresses. I thought this was a serious security issue and tried without success to gain support from Council to sort it out. It was one of the many factors which ultimately led to my resignation from Council and from NIMH itself - it's so blimmin unprofessional! Best wishes Ann > > but how have they accessed this site unless they are a herbalist? and if > > they are a herbalist theyre not doing us any favours. > > I know this site is unmoderated but it is closed so who are they - Graham or > > Henriette do you know ? > > Sorry, I don't know them, and their yahoo profile is singularly unhelpful. > They're gone now. > > H. > > -- > Henriette Kress, AHG Helsinki, Finland > Henriette's herbal homepage: http://www.henriettesherbal.com > New book: http://www.henriettesherbal.com/articles/pract-herbs.html > Now also on Amazon UK: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/9526757505 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 To me it sounds like the ranting from comedian Tim Michin in his 'poem' Storm. It really seems that this forum has been hacked, is there something that we could do to prevent this kind of intrusions? I think that we must come up with a way to protect the privacy and confidentiality of these posts, otherwise it'd be risky and even unethical to discuss any real patient's problems here. Mónica Grande 07530599464 Subject: Re: The ROSES and HIVTo: ukherbal-list Date: Wednesday, 13 June, 2012, 14:48 what on earth is this all about ??!! The ROSES and HIV HIV / AIDs and the RosesI have been journeying with the RosesThe following will remove HIV and AIDs from the body. Rose buds / petals – which will best keep it in and get it out?Rosehip grainedBlessed Sloe berriesRed cloverLadies MantleHawthorn berriesFilipendula Raspberry leafYou should include:RaspberryBlackberryApple why not Crab appleMedlarStrawberry - why not but wild it should be but then please to the mouth it be. Quince raw a bit and then in jam or boiled right through as a little raw will help too but lot and it might hurt you.Rowan berries JamMake a fruit saladWillow and Calendula will also but not necessary with the aboveSo a Cure for HIV and AIDs only a little thing and will go soon. So will the rose heal man from HIV and AIDs, yes, but it will not do it alone, no, so let it be the rose hip, will it do it alone, no, so let it be the Sloe berries, and will it do it alone, no, so let it be the hawthorn, so will it do it alone, no, so let it be the red clover, so will it do it alone, no, so let it be the ladies mantle, so will it do it alone, no, so let it be the filipendula, so will it do it alone, no, so let it be helped by the raspberry leaf and fruit, so will it do it alone, yes, and let it be helped by the quince, and let it be helped by the crab apple and the apple, and let it be helped by the blackberry and let it be helped by the medlar, and let it be helped by the rowan, and let it be helped by the strawberry – why not includeAnd the dew berry and the juneberry I have not found them yet can you? And please give them my love.And please get picking for one and all as you know what its like when the season has passed then we are done for as far as this goes so pick the rowan when she is here, the same for the crab the blackberries and raspberries too and all of the fruits so here's what to do use preserves all the way through and even in alcohol for a few but not the rowan as it will poison you (a little bit of belly ache).I am not going into how it works find out for yourselves. Use it and free the world of HIV. I might write further about this later I was going to write fully but I have been so got at I am exhausted. And also but not necessary is:WillowWill also kill it outright. And so will Asprin but when there is willow why use this I'd say. But now Aspirin is my cure so they are not allowed to use this at all by the copyright laws so if they do use to remove HIV they will be sued as I found it and that is true. And others too. So as to this cure it is ours no one can use if they are not a herbalist. And of good heart. And rights will be removed if they are not without reason given. I'm talking only of serious misdemeanours. (Like not picking herbs!). Those involved negatively with the pharmaceutical agents are not allowed to use it sell it pass it on or anything else. It cannot be made up or used or sold by the pharmaceutical companies - or herbal companies without permission.Essentially no one may sell or use it under a product licence.And it must be made up by a herbalist or authorised practitioner. It cannot be sold as a mix or product or cure to any individual unless under a herbalist or authorised practitioner for the obvious. It has to be made up by the herbalist in their own home or practice. Doctors cannot use it without my permission though the Anthros have my sympathies.The above applies always in all circumstances unless otherwise agreed by me and if I am shot well to my suitable colleagues. Basically this is ours and is protected by law no one else can use it without permission and we should do the same with all our medicines. No virus found in this message.Checked by AVG - www.avg.comVersion: 2012.0.2177 / Virus Database: 2433/5065 - Release Date: 06/12/12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 I don't think her account has been hacked, she posted just now on a different site, the account belongs to a herbalist. Has she been de-listed from this site? If so, for what reason? Not that i agree particularly with her free form posting (which was poetic) but i often don't agree with the things people post here but don't want to have them kicked off. Nathalie ( & i'm sure many people wouldn't mind if I was kicked off come to think of it!) > > > > Subject: Re: The ROSES and HIV > To: ukherbal-list > Date: Wednesday, 13 June, 2012, 14:48 > > > >  > > > > > what on earth is this all about ??!! > > The ROSES and HIV > >  > > HIV / AIDs and the Roses > > I have been journeying with the Roses > > The following will remove HIV and AIDs from the body. > > Rose buds / petals †" which will best keep it in and get it out? > Rosehip grained > Blessed Sloe berries > Red clover > Ladies Mantle > Hawthorn berries > Filipendula > Raspberry leaf > > You should include: > Raspberry > Blackberry > Apple why not > Crab apple > Medlar > Strawberry - why not but wild it should be but then please to the mouth it be. > Quince raw a bit and then in jam or boiled right through as a little raw will help too but lot and it might hurt you. > > Rowan berries Jam > > Make a fruit salad > > Willow and Calendula will also but not necessary with the above > > So a Cure for HIV and AIDs only a little thing and will go soon. So will the rose heal man from HIV and AIDs, yes, but it will not do it alone, no, so let it be the rose hip, will it do it alone, no, so let it be the Sloe berries, and will it do it alone, no, so let it be the hawthorn, so will it do it alone, no, so let it be the red clover, so will it do it alone, no, so let it be the ladies mantle, so will it do it alone, no, so let it be the filipendula, so will it do it alone, no, so let it be helped by the raspberry leaf and fruit, so will it do it alone, yes, and let it be helped by the quince, and let it be helped by the crab apple and the apple, and let it be helped by the blackberry and let it be helped by the medlar, and let it be helped by the rowan, and let it be helped by the strawberry †" why not include > > And the dew berry and the juneberry I have not found them yet can you? And please give them my love. > > And please get picking for one and all as you know what its like when the season has passed then we are done for as far as this goes so pick the rowan when she is here, the same for the crab the blackberries and raspberries too and all of the fruits so here's what to do use preserves all the way through and even in alcohol for a few but not the rowan as it will poison you (a little bit of belly ache). > > I am not going into how it works find out for yourselves. Use it and free the world of HIV. I might write further about this later I was going to write fully but I have been so got at I am exhausted. > > And also but not necessary is: > > Willow > Will also kill it outright. And so will Asprin but when there is willow why use this I'd say. But now Aspirin is my cure so they are not allowed to use this at all by the copyright laws so if they do use to remove HIV they will be sued as I found it and that is true. > > And others too. > > So as to this cure it is ours no one can use if they are not a herbalist. And of good heart. And rights will be removed if they are not without reason given. I'm talking only of serious misdemeanours. (Like not picking herbs!). Those involved negatively with the pharmaceutical agents are not allowed to use it sell it pass it on or anything else. It cannot be made up or used or sold by the pharmaceutical companies - or herbal companies without permission. > Essentially no one may sell or use it under a product licence. > And it must be made up by a herbalist or authorised practitioner. > It cannot be sold as a mix or product or cure to any individual unless under a herbalist or authorised practitioner for the obvious. > It has to be made up by the herbalist in their own home or practice. > Doctors cannot use it without my permission though the Anthros have my sympathies. > > The above applies always in all circumstances unless otherwise agreed by me and if I am shot well to my suitable colleagues. > > Basically this is ours and is protected by law no one else can use it without permission and we should do the same with all our medicines. > > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2177 / Virus Database: 2433/5065 - Release Date: 06/12/12 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 I dont really think its a matter of agreeing or disagreeing with the posting ( not sure if any one would agree with it anyway surely) but this is the stuff of quackbusters dreams - someone saying they have the cure for aids and must only be used by herbalists ???!!!! annette The ROSES and HIV> >  > > HIV / AIDs and the Roses> > I have been journeying with the Roses> > The following will remove HIV and AIDs from the body. > > Rose buds / petals â€" which will best keep it in and get it out?> Rosehip grained> Blessed Sloe berries> Red clover> Ladies Mantle> Hawthorn berries> Filipendula > Raspberry leaf> > You should include:> Raspberry> Blackberry> Apple why not > Crab apple> Medlar> Strawberry - why not but wild it should be but then please to the mouth it be. > Quince raw a bit and then in jam or boiled right through as a little raw will help too but lot and it might hurt you.> > Rowan berries Jam> > Make a fruit salad> > Willow and Calendula will also but not necessary with the above> > So a Cure for HIV and AIDs only a little thing and will go soon. So will the rose heal man from HIV and AIDs, yes, but it will not do it alone, no, so let it be the rose hip, will it do it alone, no, so let it be the Sloe berries, and will it do it alone, no, so let it be the hawthorn, so will it do it alone, no, so let it be the red clover, so will it do it alone, no, so let it be the ladies mantle, so will it do it alone, no, so let it be the filipendula, so will it do it alone, no, so let it be helped by the raspberry leaf and fruit, so will it do it alone, yes, and let it be helped by the quince, and let it be helped by the crab apple and the apple, and let it be helped by the blackberry and let it be helped by the medlar, and let it be helped by the rowan, and let it be helped by the strawberry â€" why not include> > And the dew berry and the juneberry I have not found them yet can you? And please give them my love.> > And please get picking for one and all as you know what its like when the season has passed then we are done for as far as this goes so pick the rowan when she is here, the same for the crab the blackberries and raspberries too and all of the fruits so here's what to do use preserves all the way through and even in alcohol for a few but not the rowan as it will poison you (a little bit of belly ache).> > I am not going into how it works find out for yourselves. Use it and free the world of HIV. I might write further about this later I was going to write fully but I have been so got at I am exhausted. > > And also but not necessary is:> > Willow> Will also kill it outright. And so will Asprin but when there is willow why use this I'd say. But now Aspirin is my cure so they are not allowed to use this at all by the copyright laws so if they do use to remove HIV they will be sued as I found it and that is true. > > And others too. > > So as to this cure it is ours no one can use if they are not a herbalist. And of good heart. And rights will be removed if they are not without reason given. I'm talking only of serious misdemeanours. (Like not picking herbs!). Those involved negatively with the pharmaceutical agents are not allowed to use it sell it pass it on or anything else. It cannot be made up or used or sold by the pharmaceutical companies - or herbal companies without permission.> Essentially no one may sell or use it under a product licence.> And it must be made up by a herbalist or authorised practitioner. > It cannot be sold as a mix or product or cure to any individual unless under a herbalist or authorised practitioner for the obvious. > It has to be made up by the herbalist in their own home or practice. > Doctors cannot use it without my permission though the Anthros have my sympathies.> > The above applies always in all circumstances unless otherwise agreed by me and if I am shot well to my suitable colleagues. > > Basically this is ours and is protected by law no one else can use it without permission and we should do the same with all our medicines. > > > No virus found in this message.> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com> Version: 2012.0.2177 / Virus Database: 2433/5065 - Release Date: 06/12/12> No virus found in this message.Checked by AVG - www.avg.comVersion: 2012.0.2177 / Virus Database: 2433/5069 - Release Date: 06/14/12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 My immediate assumption was that it was genuine not hacked, but from someone going through a grandiose manic phase. She wouldn't be the first herbalist to do that! But it's tricky for the moderators to deal with if so. Perhaps a suspension of the account rather than a permanent exclusion? Robyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 yes but this site is for herbalists of all shades & beliefs, not for quackbusters. There is a presumption that posts are between us as herbalists, otherwise it would not be ethical to talk over patient problems here. Members should feel free to post whatever they feel is appropriate, the rest of us can ignore the postings/argue or otherwise engage if we feel moved to do so, we don't have to believe it or share it. she may have felt genuinely moved to share what she felt was a radical piece of information - who are we to judge & exclude her based on this one post? Nathalie > > > > > > From: Annette Wass <annette@> > > Subject: Re: The ROSES and HIV > > To: ukherbal-list > > Date: Wednesday, 13 June, 2012, 14:48 > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > what on earth is this all about ??!! > > > > The ROSES and HIV > > > > Â > > > > HIV / AIDs and the Roses > > > > I have been journeying with the Roses > > > > The following will remove HIV and AIDs from the body. > > > > Rose buds / petals â? " which will best keep it in and get it out? > > Rosehip grained > > Blessed Sloe berries > > Red clover > > Ladies Mantle > > Hawthorn berries > > Filipendula > > Raspberry leaf > > > > You should include: > > Raspberry > > Blackberry > > Apple why not > > Crab apple > > Medlar > > Strawberry - why not but wild it should be but then please to the mouth it be. > > Quince raw a bit and then in jam or boiled right through as a little raw will help too but lot and it might hurt you. > > > > Rowan berries Jam > > > > Make a fruit salad > > > > Willow and Calendula will also but not necessary with the above > > > > So a Cure for HIV and AIDs only a little thing and will go soon. So will the rose heal man from HIV and AIDs, yes, but it will not do it alone, no, so let it be the rose hip, will it do it alone, no, so let it be the Sloe berries, and will it do it alone, no, so let it be the hawthorn, so will it do it alone, no, so let it be the red clover, so will it do it alone, no, so let it be the ladies mantle, so will it do it alone, no, so let it be the filipendula, so will it do it alone, no, so let it be helped by the raspberry leaf and fruit, so will it do it alone, yes, and let it be helped by the quince, and let it be helped by the crab apple and the apple, and let it be helped by the blackberry and let it be helped by the medlar, and let it be helped by the rowan, and let it be helped by the strawberry â? " why not include > > > > And the dew berry and the juneberry I have not found them yet can you? And please give them my love. > > > > And please get picking for one and all as you know what its like when the season has passed then we are done for as far as this goes so pick the rowan when she is here, the same for the crab the blackberries and raspberries too and all of the fruits so here's what to do use preserves all the way through and even in alcohol for a few but not the rowan as it will poison you (a little bit of belly ache). > > > > I am not going into how it works find out for yourselves. Use it and free the world of HIV. I might write further about this later I was going to write fully but I have been so got at I am exhausted. > > > > And also but not necessary is: > > > > Willow > > Will also kill it outright. And so will Asprin but when there is willow why use this I'd say. But now Aspirin is my cure so they are not allowed to use this at all by the copyright laws so if they do use to remove HIV they will be sued as I found it and that is true. > > > > And others too. > > > > So as to this cure it is ours no one can use if they are not a herbalist. And of good heart. And rights will be removed if they are not without reason given. I'm talking only of serious misdemeanours. (Like not picking herbs!). Those involved negatively with the pharmaceutical agents are not allowed to use it sell it pass it on or anything else. It cannot be made up or used or sold by the pharmaceutical companies - or herbal companies without permission. > > Essentially no one may sell or use it under a product licence. > > And it must be made up by a herbalist or authorised practitioner. > > It cannot be sold as a mix or product or cure to any individual unless under a herbalist or authorised practitioner for the obvious. > > It has to be made up by the herbalist in their own home or practice. > > Doctors cannot use it without my permission though the Anthros have my sympathies. > > > > The above applies always in all circumstances unless otherwise agreed by me and if I am shot well to my suitable colleagues. > > > > Basically this is ours and is protected by law no one else can use it without permission and we should do the same with all our medicines. > > > > > > No virus found in this message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 2012.0.2177 / Virus Database: 2433/5065 - Release Date: 06/12/12 > > > > > > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2177 / Virus Database: 2433/5069 - Release Date: 06/14/12 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 HiAnd is this presumption correct - that we are all herbalists? It would, of course, help if people did not post anonymously. RegardsDr GascoigneMedical doctor, acupuncturist, herbalist+44 (0) 79 88 05 92 01 ( UK)+353 (0) 87 9266234 (Ireland)Web: www.drgascoigne.comOn 14 Jun 2012, at 23:19, "natlychid2000" wrote: yes but this site is for herbalists of all shades & beliefs, not for quackbusters. There is a presumption that posts are between us as herbalists, otherwise it would not be ethical to talk over patient problems here. Members should feel free to post whatever they feel is appropriate, the rest of us can ignore the postings/argue or otherwise engage if we feel moved to do so, we don't have to believe it or share it. she may have felt genuinely moved to share what she felt was a radical piece of information - who are we to judge & exclude her based on this one post? Nathalie > > > > > > From: Annette Wass <annette@> > > Subject: Re: The ROSES and HIV > > To: ukherbal-list > > Date: Wednesday, 13 June, 2012, 14:48 > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > what on earth is this all about ??!! > > > > The ROSES and HIV > > > > Â > > > > HIV / AIDs and the Roses > > > > I have been journeying with the Roses > > > > The following will remove HIV and AIDs from the body. > > > > Rose buds / petals â?" which will best keep it in and get it out? > > Rosehip grained > > Blessed Sloe berries > > Red clover > > Ladies Mantle > > Hawthorn berries > > Filipendula > > Raspberry leaf > > > > You should include: > > Raspberry > > Blackberry > > Apple why not > > Crab apple > > Medlar > > Strawberry - why not but wild it should be but then please to the mouth it be. > > Quince raw a bit and then in jam or boiled right through as a little raw will help too but lot and it might hurt you. > > > > Rowan berries Jam > > > > Make a fruit salad > > > > Willow and Calendula will also but not necessary with the above > > > > So a Cure for HIV and AIDs only a little thing and will go soon. So will the rose heal man from HIV and AIDs, yes, but it will not do it alone, no, so let it be the rose hip, will it do it alone, no, so let it be the Sloe berries, and will it do it alone, no, so let it be the hawthorn, so will it do it alone, no, so let it be the red clover, so will it do it alone, no, so let it be the ladies mantle, so will it do it alone, no, so let it be the filipendula, so will it do it alone, no, so let it be helped by the raspberry leaf and fruit, so will it do it alone, yes, and let it be helped by the quince, and let it be helped by the crab apple and the apple, and let it be helped by the blackberry and let it be helped by the medlar, and let it be helped by the rowan, and let it be helped by the strawberry â?" why not include > > > > And the dew berry and the juneberry I have not found them yet can you? And please give them my love. > > > > And please get picking for one and all as you know what its like when the season has passed then we are done for as far as this goes so pick the rowan when she is here, the same for the crab the blackberries and raspberries too and all of the fruits so here's what to do use preserves all the way through and even in alcohol for a few but not the rowan as it will poison you (a little bit of belly ache). > > > > I am not going into how it works find out for yourselves. Use it and free the world of HIV. I might write further about this later I was going to write fully but I have been so got at I am exhausted. > > > > And also but not necessary is: > > > > Willow > > Will also kill it outright. And so will Asprin but when there is willow why use this I'd say. But now Aspirin is my cure so they are not allowed to use this at all by the copyright laws so if they do use to remove HIV they will be sued as I found it and that is true. > > > > And others too. > > > > So as to this cure it is ours no one can use if they are not a herbalist. And of good heart. And rights will be removed if they are not without reason given. I'm talking only of serious misdemeanours. (Like not picking herbs!). Those involved negatively with the pharmaceutical agents are not allowed to use it sell it pass it on or anything else. It cannot be made up or used or sold by the pharmaceutical companies - or herbal companies without permission. > > Essentially no one may sell or use it under a product licence. > > And it must be made up by a herbalist or authorised practitioner. > > It cannot be sold as a mix or product or cure to any individual unless under a herbalist or authorised practitioner for the obvious. > > It has to be made up by the herbalist in their own home or practice. > > Doctors cannot use it without my permission though the Anthros have my sympathies. > > > > The above applies always in all circumstances unless otherwise agreed by me and if I am shot well to my suitable colleagues. > > > > Basically this is ours and is protected by law no one else can use it without permission and we should do the same with all our medicines. > > > > > > No virus found in this message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 2012.0.2177 / Virus Database: 2433/5065 - Release Date: 06/12/12 > > > > > > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2177 / Virus Database: 2433/5069 - Release Date: 06/14/12 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 Nathalie,the original email was totally incoherent gibberish, either a spoof or hijacked identity - it happens a lot on Internet. Or a very bad trip on something not very herbal...As it was not signed by the owner of the address, who already had been excluded from the list for sound reasons long time ago, it is HIGHLY unlikely that it was genuine. It falls into the same category as the emails from Nigeria asking you for your bank details i.e. somebody is having you on! Just ignore it, like, I hope, you would ignore an email from Nigeria...Random hacking into internet groups happens occasionally, nothing to be paranoid about. To: ukherbal-list Sent: Thursday, 14 June 2012, 23:19 Subject: Re: The ROSES and HIV yes but this site is for herbalists of all shades & beliefs, not for quackbusters. There is a presumption that posts are between us as herbalists, otherwise it would not be ethical to talk over patient problems here. Members should feel free to post whatever they feel is appropriate, the rest of us can ignore the postings/argue or otherwise engage if we feel moved to do so, we don't have to believe it or share it. she may have felt genuinely moved to share what she felt was a radical piece of information - who are we to judge & exclude her based on this one post? Nathalie > > > > > > From: Annette Wass <annette@> > > Subject: Re: The ROSES and HIV > > To: ukherbal-list > > Date: Wednesday, 13 June, 2012, 14:48 > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > what on earth is this all about ??!! > > > > The ROSES and HIV > > > > Â > > > > HIV / AIDs and the Roses > > > > I have been journeying with the Roses > > > > The following will remove HIV and AIDs from the body. > > > > Rose buds / petals â?" which will best keep it in and get it out? > > Rosehip grained > > Blessed Sloe berries > > Red clover > > Ladies Mantle > > Hawthorn berries > > Filipendula > > Raspberry leaf > > > > You should include: > > Raspberry > > Blackberry > > Apple why not > > Crab apple > > Medlar > > Strawberry - why not but wild it should be but then please to the mouth it be. > > Quince raw a bit and then in jam or boiled right through as a little raw will help too but lot and it might hurt you. > > > > Rowan berries Jam > > > > Make a fruit salad > > > > Willow and Calendula will also but not necessary with the above > > > > So a Cure for HIV and AIDs only a little thing and will go soon. So will the rose heal man from HIV and AIDs, yes, but it will not do it alone, no, so let it be the rose hip, will it do it alone, no, so let it be the Sloe berries, and will it do it alone, no, so let it be the hawthorn, so will it do it alone, no, so let it be the red clover, so will it do it alone, no, so let it be the ladies mantle, so will it do it alone, no, so let it be the filipendula, so will it do it alone, no, so let it be helped by the raspberry leaf and fruit, so will it do it alone, yes, and let it be helped by the quince, and let it be helped by the crab apple and the apple, and let it be helped by the blackberry and let it be helped by the medlar, and let it be helped by the rowan, and let it be helped by the strawberry â?" why not include > > > > And the dew berry and the juneberry I have not found them yet can you? And please give them my love. > > > > And please get picking for one and all as you know what its like when the season has passed then we are done for as far as this goes so pick the rowan when she is here, the same for the crab the blackberries and raspberries too and all of the fruits so here's what to do use preserves all the way through and even in alcohol for a few but not the rowan as it will poison you (a little bit of belly ache). > > > > I am not going into how it works find out for yourselves. Use it and free the world of HIV. I might write further about this later I was going to write fully but I have been so got at I am exhausted. > > > > And also but not necessary is: > > > > Willow > > Will also kill it outright. And so will Asprin but when there is willow why use this I'd say. But now Aspirin is my cure so they are not allowed to use this at all by the copyright laws so if they do use to remove HIV they will be sued as I found it and that is true. > > > > And others too. > > > > So as to this cure it is ours no one can use if they are not a herbalist. And of good heart. And rights will be removed if they are not without reason given. I'm talking only of serious misdemeanours. (Like not picking herbs!). Those involved negatively with the pharmaceutical agents are not allowed to use it sell it pass it on or anything else. It cannot be made up or used or sold by the pharmaceutical companies - or herbal companies without permission. > > Essentially no one may sell or use it under a product licence. > > And it must be made up by a herbalist or authorised practitioner. > > It cannot be sold as a mix or product or cure to any individual unless under a herbalist or authorised practitioner for the obvious. > > It has to be made up by the herbalist in their own home or practice. > > Doctors cannot use it without my permission though the Anthros have my sympathies. > > > > The above applies always in all circumstances unless otherwise agreed by me and if I am shot well to my suitable colleagues. > > > > Basically this is ours and is protected by law no one else can use it without permission and we should do the same with all our medicines. > > > > > > No virus found in this message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 2012.0.2177 / Virus Database: 2433/5065 - Release Date: 06/12/12 > > > > > > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2177 / Virus Database: 2433/5069 - Release Date: 06/14/12 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 hasnt it been assumed that this was a false posting - ie that the forum might have been hacked ? thats why there were a couple of postings expressing concern that we may not be secure in our discussions re cases and hence my comment about quackbusters annette The ROSES and HIV> > > > Â > > > > HIV / AIDs and the Roses> > > > I have been journeying with the Roses> > > > The following will remove HIV and AIDs from the body. > > > > Rose buds / petals â?" which will best keep it in and get it out?> > Rosehip grained> > Blessed Sloe berries> > Red clover> > Ladies Mantle> > Hawthorn berries> > Filipendula > > Raspberry leaf> > > > You should include:> > Raspberry> > Blackberry> > Apple why not > > Crab apple> > Medlar> > Strawberry - why not but wild it should be but then please to the mouth it be. > > Quince raw a bit and then in jam or boiled right through as a little raw will help too but lot and it might hurt you.> > > > Rowan berries Jam> > > > Make a fruit salad> > > > Willow and Calendula will also but not necessary with the above> > > > So a Cure for HIV and AIDs only a little thing and will go soon. So will the rose heal man from HIV and AIDs, yes, but it will not do it alone, no, so let it be the rose hip, will it do it alone, no, so let it be the Sloe berries, and will it do it alone, no, so let it be the hawthorn, so will it do it alone, no, so let it be the red clover, so will it do it alone, no, so let it be the ladies mantle, so will it do it alone, no, so let it be the filipendula, so will it do it alone, no, so let it be helped by the raspberry leaf and fruit, so will it do it alone, yes, and let it be helped by the quince, and let it be helped by the crab apple and the apple, and let it be helped by the blackberry and let it be helped by the medlar, and let it be helped by the rowan, and let it be helped by the strawberry â?" why not include> > > > And the dew berry and the juneberry I have not found them yet can you? And please give them my love.> > > > And please get picking for one and all as you know what its like when the season has passed then we are done for as far as this goes so pick the rowan when she is here, the same for the crab the blackberries and raspberries too and all of the fruits so here's what to do use preserves all the way through and even in alcohol for a few but not the rowan as it will poison you (a little bit of belly ache).> > > > I am not going into how it works find out for yourselves. Use it and free the world of HIV. I might write further about this later I was going to write fully but I have been so got at I am exhausted. > > > > And also but not necessary is:> > > > Willow> > Will also kill it outright. And so will Asprin but when there is willow why use this I'd say. But now Aspirin is my cure so they are not allowed to use this at all by the copyright laws so if they do use to remove HIV they will be sued as I found it and that is true. > > > > And others too. > > > > So as to this cure it is ours no one can use if they are not a herbalist. And of good heart. And rights will be removed if they are not without reason given. I'm talking only of serious misdemeanours. (Like not picking herbs!). Those involved negatively with the pharmaceutical agents are not allowed to use it sell it pass it on or anything else. It cannot be made up or used or sold by the pharmaceutical companies - or herbal companies without permission.> > Essentially no one may sell or use it under a product licence.> > And it must be made up by a herbalist or authorised practitioner. > > It cannot be sold as a mix or product or cure to any individual unless under a herbalist or authorised practitioner for the obvious. > > It has to be made up by the herbalist in their own home or practice. > > Doctors cannot use it without my permission though the Anthros have my sympathies.> > > > The above applies always in all circumstances unless otherwise agreed by me and if I am shot well to my suitable colleagues. > > > > Basically this is ours and is protected by law no one else can use it without permission and we should do the same with all our medicines. > > > > > > No virus found in this message.> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com> > Version: 2012.0.2177 / Virus Database: 2433/5065 - Release Date: 06/12/12> >> > > > > No virus found in this message.> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com> Version: 2012.0.2177 / Virus Database: 2433/5069 - Release Date: 06/14/12> No virus found in this message.Checked by AVG - www.avg.comVersion: 2012.0.2177 / Virus Database: 2433/5069 - Release Date: 06/14/12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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