Guest guest Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 > hasnt it been assumed that this was a false posting - ie that the forum > might have been hacked ? No, the assumption was that her account might have been hacked. There's no " suspend " in yahoo discussion lists ... I could have set her inbound posts to moderated and set her to " no emails " , but removing somebody from the list is fast and simple. She can come back onlist, of course, if the account wasn't hacked. And if it was hacked, welcome back when things have been cleared up ... That's not to say that other list members are all A-OK, with none of their login information in the wrong hands, but it's worrisome when hackers start to POST to various mailing lists ... Ho hum. Henriette -- Henriette Kress, AHG Helsinki, Finland Henriette's herbal homepage: http://www.henriettesherbal.com New book: http://www.henriettesherbal.com/articles/pract-herbs.html Now also on Amazon UK: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/9526757505 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 Hi, I have seen the most recent postings on the indies list and I am more inclined to think that it is a genuine person experiencing some kind of delusional episode (or something similar), rather than a hacker. If this is the case I apologise for my previous flippant comment. Therri -------------------------------------------------- Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 9:53 AM To: <ukherbal-list > Cc: " Verge " Subject: Re: Re: The ROSES and HIV > >> hasnt it been assumed that this was a false posting - ie that the forum >> might have been hacked ? > > No, the assumption was that her account might have been hacked. > > There's no " suspend " in yahoo discussion lists ... I could have set her > inbound posts to moderated and set her to " no emails " , but removing > somebody > from the list is fast and simple. > > She can come back onlist, of course, if the account wasn't hacked. And if > it > was hacked, welcome back when things have been cleared up ... > > > That's not to say that other list members are all A-OK, with none of their > login information in the wrong hands, but it's worrisome when hackers > start to > POST to various mailing lists ... > > > Ho hum. > Henriette > > -- > Henriette Kress, AHG Helsinki, Finland > Henriette's herbal homepage: http://www.henriettesherbal.com > New book: http://www.henriettesherbal.com/articles/pract-herbs.html > Now also on Amazon UK: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/9526757505 > > > ------------------------------------ > > List Owner: Graham White, MNIMH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 Like Therri I have seen an email on the other list from the person concerned asking that the message be put on this Forum so it does seem as though it was a genuine posting. I don't know the person concerned, though she used to be a NIMH member. If anyone does know her maybe it would be a good idea to get in touch and actually talk to her. Best Ann > >> hasnt it been assumed that this was a false posting - ie that the forum > >> might have been hacked ? > > > > No, the assumption was that her account might have been hacked. > > > > There's no " suspend " in yahoo discussion lists ... I could have set her > > inbound posts to moderated and set her to " no emails " , but removing > > somebody > > from the list is fast and simple. > > > > She can come back onlist, of course, if the account wasn't hacked. And if > > it > > was hacked, welcome back when things have been cleared up ... > > > > > > That's not to say that other list members are all A-OK, with none of their > > login information in the wrong hands, but it's worrisome when hackers > > start to > > POST to various mailing lists ... > > > > > > Ho hum. > > Henriette > > > > -- > > Henriette Kress, AHG Helsinki, Finland > > Henriette's herbal homepage: http://www.henriettesherbal.com > > New book: http://www.henriettesherbal.com/articles/pract-herbs.html > > Now also on Amazon UK: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/9526757505 > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > List Owner: Graham White, MNIMH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 Thanks for clarifying that Sally. I'm posting here as NIMH Vice President and just want to clear up any misconceptions people may have gained from Ann's post with regard to NIMH and its members forurm This is not to say, I am entering into any discussion or debate with Ann or anyone else on a NIMH matter on this public forum. As you say Sally, a load pf people appeared on the list, but as you also say they had no access, which as facilitator you knew very well, and dealt with the spam rubbish as it arose. With Council support, backing and gratitude of course. best wishes Stannard > > There was a misunderstanding about the NIMH forum, as there were two > levels of membership. (I was facilitator at the time) > > Unfortunately the board had been set up to allow anybody to register > on it.,by the website builders, and thus allowed the " spambots " which > roam the web to become " members " > > BUT the forums themselves were strictly NIMH members only (Each > member had to be verified and admitted by myself - quite a > painstaking process - and the remaining, mostly automated > registrations removed) (This was a slow process, but at no time was > there any access to the actual forums by anybody other than members) > > ie, only members could post, and only members could read posts. > > > Sally Owen > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 Hi Robyn I have to say I also assumed this was a genuine post. I recognised the email name but until Ann reminded us I couldn't remember who it belonged to. I think the key to all of it is in her first sentence " I've been journeying with roses " . Obviously some sort of shamanic journey. Each of us has their own way of working with herbs, and while we may not agree with the post, consider it unsuitable, possibly bordering on unethical, supplying certain people with ammunition, I don't think we should all jump on this person in this way. Three possibilities: 1. genuine post from someone on shamanic journey who thought " the message " might be helpful to share (but I completely agree that posts shouldn't be anonymous) 2. email hacked, but Henriette says the forum isn't compromsied which is good 3. I don't think it's appropriate to publicly give 3rd reason. maybe someone who knows personally her might give her a call? best wishes > > My immediate assumption was that it was genuine not hacked, but from > someone going through a grandiose manic phase. She wouldn't be the first > herbalist to do that! But it's tricky for the moderators to deal with if > so. Perhaps a suspension of the account rather than a permanent exclusion? > Robyn > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2012 Report Share Posted June 16, 2012 Why not clear up all the issues I mentioned as well? Got no reply to six emails sent on a rather serious issue to the NIMH council as a fully paid up member of NIMH, still awaiting a response, not to mention all the other stuff...Lorraine Lorraine Hodgkinson AHG MRCHMHERBS AND HELPERS6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth,Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK.Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2)www.herbalmedicineuk.comOn 15 Jun 2012, at 17:48, "" wrote: Thanks for clarifying that Sally. I'm posting here as NIMH Vice President and just want to clear up any misconceptions people may have gained from Ann's post with regard to NIMH and its members forurm This is not to say, I am entering into any discussion or debate with Ann or anyone else on a NIMH matter on this public forum. As you say Sally, a load pf people appeared on the list, but as you also say they had no access, which as facilitator you knew very well, and dealt with the spam rubbish as it arose. With Council support, backing and gratitude of course. best wishes Stannard > > There was a misunderstanding about the NIMH forum, as there were two > levels of membership. (I was facilitator at the time) > > Unfortunately the board had been set up to allow anybody to register > on it.,by the website builders, and thus allowed the "spambots" which > roam the web to become "members" > > BUT the forums themselves were strictly NIMH members only (Each > member had to be verified and admitted by myself - quite a > painstaking process - and the remaining, mostly automated > registrations removed) (This was a slow process, but at no time was > there any access to the actual forums by anybody other than members) > > ie, only members could post, and only members could read posts. > > > Sally Owen > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2012 Report Share Posted June 16, 2012 No discussion of internal NIMH, or any other organisation, matters on this list please.Graham White, B.Sc. (Herb. Med.)Medical Herbalist--------------------------------Phone: 01438 213284Mobile: 07740 766335www.gcwhite.co.uk Thanks for clarifying that Sally.I'm posting here as NIMH Vice President and just want to clear up any misconceptions people may have gained from Ann's post with regard to NIMH and its members forurmThis is not to say, I am entering into any discussion or debate with Ann or anyone else on a NIMH matter on this public forum. As you say Sally, a load pf people appeared on the list, but as you also say they had no access, which as facilitator you knew very well, and dealt with the spam rubbish as it arose. With Council support, backing and gratitude of course. best wishes Stannard>> There was a misunderstanding about the NIMH forum, as there were two > levels of membership. (I was facilitator at the time)> > Unfortunately the board had been set up to allow anybody to register > on it.,by the website builders, and thus allowed the "spambots" which > roam the web to become "members"> > BUT the forums themselves were strictly NIMH members only (Each > member had to be verified and admitted by myself - quite a > painstaking process - and the remaining, mostly automated > registrations removed) (This was a slow process, but at no time was > there any access to the actual forums by anybody other than members)> > ie, only members could post, and only members could read posts.> > > Sally Owen> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2012 Report Share Posted June 16, 2012 There has been extensive discussions on legislation previously which have been very valuable. I hope that issues that affect us all as this does can continue to be deeply discussed whatever organization people are from.LorraineLorraine Hodgkinson AHG MRCHMHERBS AND HELPERS6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth,Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK.Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2)www.herbalmedicineuk.comOn 16 Jun 2012, at 11:30, Graham White wrote: No discussion of internal NIMH, or any other organisation, matters on this list please.Graham White, B.Sc. (Herb. Med.)Medical Herbalist--------------------------------Phone: 01438 213284Mobile: 07740 766335www.gcwhite.co.uk Thanks for clarifying that Sally.I'm posting here as NIMH Vice President and just want to clear up any misconceptions people may have gained from Ann's post with regard to NIMH and its members forurmThis is not to say, I am entering into any discussion or debate with Ann or anyone else on a NIMH matter on this public forum. As you say Sally, a load pf people appeared on the list, but as you also say they had no access, which as facilitator you knew very well, and dealt with the spam rubbish as it arose. With Council support, backing and gratitude of course. best wishes Stannard>> There was a misunderstanding about the NIMH forum, as there were two > levels of membership. (I was facilitator at the time)> > Unfortunately the board had been set up to allow anybody to register > on it.,by the website builders, and thus allowed the "spambots" which > roam the web to become "members"> > BUT the forums themselves were strictly NIMH members only (Each > member had to be verified and admitted by myself - quite a > painstaking process - and the remaining, mostly automated > registrations removed) (This was a slow process, but at no time was > there any access to the actual forums by anybody other than members)> > ie, only members could post, and only members could read posts.> > > Sally Owen> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2012 Report Share Posted June 16, 2012 Matters that affect every one such as regulation are fine, matters that are only relevant within a certain organisation are not.Graham White, B.Sc. (Herb. Med.)Medical Herbalist--------------------------------Phone: 01438 213284Mobile: 07740 766335www.gcwhite.co.uk Thanks for clarifying that Sally.I'm posting here as NIMH Vice President and just want to clear up any misconceptions people may have gained from Ann's post with regard to NIMH and its members forurmThis is not to say, I am entering into any discussion or debate with Ann or anyone else on a NIMH matter on this public forum. As you say Sally, a load pf people appeared on the list, but as you also say they had no access, which as facilitator you knew very well, and dealt with the spam rubbish as it arose. With Council support, backing and gratitude of course. best wishes Stannard>> There was a misunderstanding about the NIMH forum, as there were two > levels of membership. (I was facilitator at the time)> > Unfortunately the board had been set up to allow anybody to register > on it.,by the website builders, and thus allowed the "spambots" which > roam the web to become "members"> > BUT the forums themselves were strictly NIMH members only (Each > member had to be verified and admitted by myself - quite a > painstaking process - and the remaining, mostly automated > registrations removed) (This was a slow process, but at no time was > there any access to the actual forums by anybody other than members)> > ie, only members could post, and only members could read posts.> > > Sally Owen> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2012 Report Share Posted June 16, 2012 No problem! Lorraine Hodgkinson AHG MRCHMHERBS AND HELPERS6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth,Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK.Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2)www.herbalmedicineuk.comOn 16 Jun 2012, at 11:41, Graham White wrote: Matters that affect every one such as regulation are fine, matters that are only relevant within a certain organisation are not.Graham White, B.Sc. (Herb. Med.)Medical Herbalist--------------------------------Phone: 01438 213284Mobile: 07740 766335www.gcwhite.co.uk Thanks for clarifying that Sally.I'm posting here as NIMH Vice President and just want to clear up any misconceptions people may have gained from Ann's post with regard to NIMH and its members forurmThis is not to say, I am entering into any discussion or debate with Ann or anyone else on a NIMH matter on this public forum. As you say Sally, a load pf people appeared on the list, but as you also say they had no access, which as facilitator you knew very well, and dealt with the spam rubbish as it arose. With Council support, backing and gratitude of course. best wishes Stannard>> There was a misunderstanding about the NIMH forum, as there were two > levels of membership. (I was facilitator at the time)> > Unfortunately the board had been set up to allow anybody to register > on it.,by the website builders, and thus allowed the "spambots" which > roam the web to become "members"> > BUT the forums themselves were strictly NIMH members only (Each > member had to be verified and admitted by myself - quite a > painstaking process - and the remaining, mostly automated > registrations removed) (This was a slow process, but at no time was > there any access to the actual forums by anybody other than members)> > ie, only members could post, and only members could read posts.> > > Sally Owen> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 Well, Morgain le fei is back! And she does journey as she is Morgain le fei and she is a hacker as she hacks HIV and the following is true it will remove any hacked HIV so always use the roses and remove HIV easily from the system and if you do not believe well it does so use it. But to be clear use the usual precautions i.e. condoms and syringes etc as it may clear out of the blood very quickly but stay in the tissues by something called 'staying in the body' so check regularly status and wbc count etc for a year (without herbal use once clear) for a while to see as I do not know what happens in the tissues if it stays in the lymph for example but use this recipe And never use bad medicines like drugs keep to herbs. So are we herbalists or the ilk and are we are fighting to use our herbs and if they use this we are the ones who lose so [please use it if you have patients with HIV and if you do then they will heal and like it or not I am still here so do know me as I am I am I am Morgain le fei and I always will be. Read it again I was in a hurry no internet and addled badly done sorry and will say more later but in the meantime use it. Radix One handful of FILIPENDULA in a tea once a day separate as it tastes disgusting. Make a tea of the rest and take 6 times a day or as many as possible and a handful in every cup. Make jams / jelly out of quince, crab apples, rowan. AND make a daily or as often as possible fruit salad with the rest I am now going as I need to run and I need to go. > HIV / AIDs and the Roses > > I have been journeying with the Roses - I have. > > The following will (it will) remove HIV and AIDs from the body. I have no time now to say. > > Rose buds / petals – which will best keep it in and get it out? > Rosehip grained > Blessed Sloe berries > Red clover > Ladies Mantle > Hawthorn berries > Filipendula > Raspberry leaf > > You should include: > Raspberry > Blackberry > Apple why not > Crab apple > Medlar > Strawberry - why not but wild it should be but then please to the mouth it be. > Quince raw a bit and then in jam or boiled right through as a little raw will help too but lot and it might hurt you. > > Rowan berries Jam > > Make a fruit salad > > So a Cure for HIV and AIDs only a little thing and will go soon. So will the rose heal man from HIV and AIDs, yes, but it will not do it alone, no, so let it be the rose hip, will it do it alone, no, so let it be the Sloe berries, and will it do it alone, no, so let it be the hawthorn, so will it do it alone, no, so let it be the red clover, so will it do it alone, no, so let it be the ladies mantle, so will it do it alone, no, so let it be the filipendula, so will it do it alone, no, so let it be helped by the raspberry leaf and fruit, so will it do it alone, yes, and let it be helped by the quince, and let it be helped by the crab apple and the apple, and let it be helped by the blackberry and let it be helped by the medlar, and let it be helped by the rowan, and let it be helped by the strawberry – why not include > > And the dew berry and the juneberry I have not found them yet can you? And please give them my love. > > And please get picking for one and all as you know what its like when the season has passed then we are done for as far as this goes so pick the rowan when she is here, the same for the crab the blackberries and raspberries too and all of the fruits so here's what to do use preserves all the way through and even in alcohol for a few but not the rowan as it will poison you (a little bit of belly ache). > > I am not going into how it works find out for yourselves. Use it and free the world of HIV. I might write further about this later I was going to write fully but I have been so got at I am exhausted. > > And also but not necessary is: > > Willow > Will also kill it outright. And so will Asprin but when there is willow why use this I'd say. But now Aspirin is my cure so they are not allowed to use this at all by the copyright laws so if they do use to remove HIV they will be sued as I found it and that is true. > > And others too. > > So as to this cure it is ours no one can use if they are not a herbalist. And of good heart. And rights will be removed if they are not without reason given. I'm talking only of serious misdemeanours.And those know. Those involved negatively with the pharmaceutical agents are not allowed to use it sell it pass it on or anything else. It cannot be made up or used or sold by the pharmaceutical companies - or herbal companies without permission which will not be given. > Essentially no one may sell or use it under a product licence. > And it must be made up by a herbalist or authorised practitioner. > It cannot be sold as a mix or product or cure to any individual unless under a herbalist or authorised practitioner for the obvious. > It has to be made up by the herbalist in their own home or practice. > Doctors cannot use it without my permission. > > The above applies always in all circumstances unless otherwise agreed by me and if I am shot well to my suitable colleagues. > > Basically this is ours and is protected by law no one else can use it without permission and we should do the same with all our medicines. I mean it it was not a jest. All. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 Ok Morgain - can I suggest something. Many of us are struggling to understand the content of your messages which is leading to all sorts of speculation. It may be better to take some time out and record all your thoughts offline and then when you have had enough space to process these share the salient points with us . Sometimes we all need to just re-order our thoughts into language that others can understand. nah Goddard To: ukherbal-list From: freeandwilful@...Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 13:18:56 +0000Subject: Re: The ROSES and HIV Read it again Well, Morgain le fei is back and she is a hacker as she hacks HIV and the following is true it will remove any hacked HIV so always use the roses and remove HIV easily from the system and if you do not believe well it does so use it. But use the usual precautions i.e. condoms and syringes etc as it may clear out of the blood but stay in the body by something called 'staying in the body' but use it for a year and check regularly status and wbc count etc and never use me as a tpunch ball as I am Morgain le fei and I am always to be known as Morgain now as i am now telling you my real name as I am and I always will be So are we herbalists or ilk slayers as we are the ilk slayer if we are fighting to use our herbs and we are not going to use medicine that are bad but if they use this we are the ones who lose so [plesase use it if you have patients with HIV and if you do then they will heal and like it or not i am still here so do you want to be with me if you do use the roses and heal. I FORGOT TO SAY HOPW NO EASY INTERNET AND TIME SORRY one handful of FILIPENDULA seperate as it tastes disgusting. Make a tea of the rest and take 6 times a day or as many as possible. Make jams / jelly out of quince, crab apples, rowan. AND make a daily or as often as possible fruit salad with the rest NO TIME WILL RETURN AND SAY MORE ANOTHER DAY > HIV / AIDs and the Roses > > I have been journeying with the Roses I WAS AND INTERESTING IT WAS AND I am Morgain > > The following will remove HIV and AIDs from the body. > > Rose buds / petals – which will best keep it in and get it out? > Rosehip grained > Blessed Sloe berries > Red clover > Ladies Mantle > Hawthorn berries > Filipendula > Raspberry leaf > > You should include: > Raspberry fruit > Blackberry fruit > Apple why not fruit > Crab apple fruit jam > Medlar fruit > Strawberry - why not but wild it should be but then please to the mouth it be. > Quince raw a bit and then in jam or boiled right through as a little raw will help too but lot and it might hurt you. > > Rowan berries Jam > > Make a fruit salad > > Willow and Calendula will also but not necessary with the above > > So a Cure for HIV and AIDs only a little thing and will go soon. So will the rose heal man from HIV and AIDs, yes, but it will not do it alone, no, so let it be the rose hip, will it do it alone, no, so let it be the Sloe berries, and will it do it alone, no, so let it be the hawthorn, so will it do it alone, no, so let it be the red clover, so will it do it alone, no, so let it be the ladies mantle, so will it do it alone, no, so let it be the filipendula, so will it do it alone, no, so let it be helped by the raspberry leaf and fruit, so will it do it alone, yes, and let it be helped by the quince, and let it be helped by the crab apple and the apple, and let it be helped by the blackberry and let it be helped by the medlar, and let it be helped by the rowan, and let it be helped by the strawberry – why not include > > And the dew berry and the juneberry I have not found them yet can you? And please give them my love. > > And please get picking for one and all as you know what its like when the season has passed then we are done for as far as this goes so pick the rowan when she is here, the same for the crab the blackberries and raspberries too and all of the fruits so here's what to do use preserves all the way through and even in alcohol for a few but not the rowan as it will poison you (a little bit of belly ache). > > I am not going into how it works find out for yourselves. Use it and free the world of HIV. I might write further about this later I was going to write fully but I have been so got at I am exhausted. > > And also but not necessary is: > > Willow > Will also kill it outright. And so will Asprin but when there is willow why use this I'd say. But now Aspirin is my cure so they are not allowed to use this at all by the copyright laws so if they do use to remove HIV they will be sued as I found it and that is true. > > And others too. > > So as to this cure it is ours no one can use if they are not a herbalist. And of good heart. And rights will be removed if they are not without reason given. I'm talking only of serious misdemeanours. (Like not picking herbs!). Those involved negatively with the pharmaceutical agents are not allowed to use it sell it pass it on or anything else. It cannot be made up or used or sold by the pharmaceutical companies - or herbal companies without permission. > Essentially no one may sell or use it under a product licence. > And it must be made up by a herbalist or authorised practitioner. > It cannot be sold as a mix or product or cure to any individual unless under a herbalist or authorised practitioner for the obvious that is no internet phone mail. > It has to be made up by the herbalist in their own home or practice. > Doctors cannot use it without my permission. > > The above applies always in all circumstances unless otherwise agreed by me and if I am shot well to my suitable colleagues. > > Basically this is ours and is protected by law no one else can use it without permission and we should do the same with all our medicines. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2012 Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 Dear Graham, I was serious by the way but as too deleting it to my own email account I forgot the sent and they have read so Iam silly. Hope you know this as I am not the ilk slayer anymore this is me I am dead now so go and see another unless you want this I don't understand it is this I fell and I am now inside him and I need to be wit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2012 Report Share Posted July 13, 2012 OK yes my email has been hacked or something I did not send this. Apologies in case you think I am completely barmey. I don't know what is going on. I sent a short email private. I remember I had trouble sending it. But I did not send anything other than the first few words. So f know how someone did that. ? ? > Dear Graham, > I was serious by the way but as too deleting it to my own email account I forgot the sent and they have read so Iam silly. Hope you know this as I am not the ilk slayer anymore this is me I am dead now so go and see another unless you want this I don't understand it is this I fell and I am now inside him and I need to be wit > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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